Disklavier

I have a DC6 with a DKC100R.  The DKC100R diskette format appears to 
be different from my PC's diskette format.  Does anyone know if it's 
possible to transfer files to & from the PC to the DKC100R via 
diskette.  If not, can it be done some other way (e.g. cable)?

Any help is appreciated.

Thanks, Terry

The Disklavier's diskette format is different from a PC's.  To a PC, a 
Disklavier-formatted diskette appears to be in need of formatting. 
Don't do it of course!

I use and recommend the Geibler Utility (www.giebler.com) Yamaha Disk 
Manager (which runs under DOS).  Other folks use the DKVUtils available 
for downloading on this site.

terryl212 wrote:
> 
> I have a DC6 with a DKC100R.  The DKC100R diskette format appears to 
> be different from my PC's diskette format.  Does anyone know if it's 
> possible to transfer files to & from the PC to the DKC100R via 
> diskette.  If not, can it be done some other way (e.g. cable)?
> 
> Any help is appreciated.
> 
> Thanks, Terry
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> To Post a message to the group, send it to:   disklavier@...
> 
> To Post a private message to Todd Muncy, the group's founder and moderator, send it to:
> disklavier-owner@...
> 
> To reach our group's web site go to:
> http://Yahoogroups.com/group/disklavier
> 
> Todd's family web site was completely updated 012/22/03.  It contains some fun disklavier content and links to midi sites among many other things, The url is:
> http://MuncyFamily.com 
> 
> THINKING OF LEAVING THE GROUP?
> If you are thinking of unsubcribing because you are getting too much mail, go the the web site and change your email delivery option instead.  That will fix the problem, while maintaining your access to the group.  If you insist on leaving us completely send a blank email to:
> disklavier-unsubscribe@... 
> 
> Know someone who wants to join?  Have them send a blank email to:
> disklavier-subscribe@... or give them this link:
> http://Yahoogroups.com/group/disklavier/join 
>  
> Yahoo! Groups Links
> 
> 
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 


-- 
Robert Welcyng
Anchorage, Alaska

Thanks for the help from both of you.  I was able to download and 
play files from this site thanks to your guidance.  

One odd item.  I could only create usable diskettes from new 
preformatted diskettes, i.e. came that way from manufacturer.  
Diskettes formatted in the DKC100R were not readable by the PC even 
with the EEXPLORE.EXE program provided in the dkvutils.zip file.  I 
tried reformatting DKC100R formatted diskettes, however Windows XP 
Pro only allows me to format 1.44 MB diskettes, even though I 
inserted the old DD diskette.  The net result is that once I've 
formatted the diskette with the Disklavier, it is no longer readable 
by the PC.  

If anyone knows the number of tracks, sectors and bytes per cluster 
I might be able to re-format a 720kb floppy using the old DOS format 
command.

Maybe I need an older version of Windows

Any ideas?

Thanks for the help.



--- In disklavier@yahoogroups.com, PianoBench@a... wrote:
> Good evening, everyone.
> 
> Robert's reply needs additional explanation, I think.
> 
> Yamaha's published disks are definitely different from the normal 
PC format. 
> I am not 100% certain of the technical distinction, but I believe 
that they 
> are missing a boot sector. That means that you cannot read Yamaha-
published 
> disks on a computer unless you have special software for this 
purpose, such as the 
> Geibler Utility. In no case are these disks readable on a 
Macintosh.
> 
> I don't know whether there is any technical distinction between a 
disk that 
> is formatted in the Disklavier vs. a pre-formatted PC disk vs. a 
disk formatted 
> on a Windows computer (or on a Mac using the PC format). 
Regardless, all of 
> these disks ARE readable by the Disklavier.
> 
> A DC6 with a DKC100R control unit is a Mark II series Disklavier. 
I can only 
> read the double-density (DD) disk format.
> 
> Assuming that you format DD disks in your Disklavier, purchase pre-
formatted 
> DD disks, or properly format them in a PC, you are fine. You can 
easily go 
> back and forth between computer and PC. If, however, you 
incorrectly format a DD 
> disk as an HD disk on a PC or you format an HD disk on the 
Disklavier (which 
> results in a DD format), then things don't work out right.
> 
> The last thing to know is this: although you can transfer files 
back and 
> forth between computer and Disklavier, the files that you record 
on the Disklavier 
> will be in E-SEQ format. Since there are few if any E-SEQ playback 
or editing 
> programs for PC, there is not much that you can do with these 
files on the PC 
> unless you convert them using the Geibler utilities.
> 
> On the other hand, if you record directly into your computer and 
save the 
> resulting files as Standard MIDI File (SMF) Type 0 or if you 
acquire SMFs of Type 
> 0 from other sources, you can copy them to a DD disk for playback 
in your 
> Disklavier--assuming that your Disklavier has the firmware update 
that provides 
> limited support for SMF Type 0. NOTE: Avoid putting both E-SEQ and 
SMFs on the 
> same disk with this Disklavier.
> 
> IMHO, your life will be much easier if you add a Yamaha DSR1 to 
your 
> Disklavier, thus providing it with full SMF support, HD support, 
and an internal tone 
> generator.
> 
> Regards,
> PianoBench
> 
> In a message dated 11/8/04 5:55:10 PM, rwelcyng@a... writes:
> 
> 
> > 
> > The Disklavier's diskette format is different from a PC's.  To a 
PC, a
> > Disklavier-formatted diskette appears to be in need of 
formatting.
> > Don't do it of course!
> > 
> > I use and recommend the Geibler Utility (www.giebler.com) Yamaha 
Disk
> > Manager (which runs under DOS).  Other folks use the DKVUtils 
available
> > for downloading on this site.
> > 
> > terryl212 wrote:
> > >
> > > I have a DC6 with a DKC100R.  The DKC100R diskette format 
appears to
> > > be different from my PC's diskette format.  Does anyone know 
if it's
> > > possible to transfer files to & from the PC to the DKC100R via
> > > diskette.  If not, can it be done some other way (e.g. cable)?
> > >
> > > Any help is appreciated.
> > >
> > > Thanks, Terry
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > To Post a message to the group, send it to:   disklavier@Y...
> > >
> > > To Post a private message to Todd Muncy, the group's founder 
and 
> > moderator, send it to:
> > > disklavier-owner@Y...
> > >
> > > To reach our group's web site go to:
> > > http://Yahoogroups.com/group/disklavier
> > >
> > > Todd's family web site was completely updated 012/22/03.  It 
contains some 
> > fun disklavier content and links to midi sites among many other 
things, The 
> > url is:
> > > http://MuncyFamily.com
> > >
> > > THINKING OF LEAVING THE GROUP?
> > > If you are thinking of unsubcribing because you are getting 
too much mail, 
> > go the the web site and change your email delivery option 
instead.  That 
> > will fix the problem, while maintaining your access to the 
group.  If you insist 
> > on leaving us completely send a blank email to:
> > > disklavier-unsubscribe@y...
> > >
> > > Know someone who wants to join?  Have them send a blank email 
to:
> > > disklavier-subscribe@e... or give them this link:
> > > http://Yahoogroups.com/group/disklavier/join
> > > 
> > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > 
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > 
> > 
> > --
> > Robert Welcyng
> > Anchorage, Alaska
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > To Post a message to the group, send it to:   disklavier@Y...
> > 
> > To Post a private message to Todd Muncy, the group's founder and 
moderator, 
> > send it to:
> > disklavier-owner@Y...
> > 
> > To reach our group's web site go to:
> > http://Yahoogroups.com/group/disklavier
> > 
> > Todd's family web site was completely updated 012/22/03.  It 
contains some 
> > fun disklavier content and links to midi sites among many other 
things, The 
> > url is:
> > http://MuncyFamily.com
> > 
> > THINKING OF LEAVING THE GROUP?
> > If you are thinking of unsubcribing because you are getting too 
much mail, 
> > go the the web site and change your email delivery option 
instead.  That will 
> > fix the problem, while maintaining your access to the group.  If 
you insist 

> > on leaving us completely send a blank email to:
> > disklavier-unsubscribe@y...
> > 
> > Know someone who wants to join?  Have them send a blank email to:
> > disklavier-subscribe@e... or give them this link:
> > http://Yahoogroups.com/group/disklavier/join
> > 
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >

Hi

A Disklavier disk is a NORMAL PC disk BUT the boot sector has been 
wiped clean. This is a very low tech approch to stop you copying it.

By far the best programs to use are RootARipper or RipARoot depending 
if you have win95, 98 and Dos or Win2000 or WinXP.  Unlike the 
Geibler Utility these programs are FREE.  The RootARipper is for 
Win2000 and WinXP. Both programs will copy the contents of a floppy 
to the HDD from there you can "Back it up" to another floppy or CDrom.

Midi Magic




--- In disklavier@yahoogroups.com, PianoBench@a... wrote:
> Good evening, everyone.
> 
> Robert's reply needs additional explanation, I think.
> 
> Yamaha's published disks are definitely different from the normal 
PC format. 
> I am not 100% certain of the technical distinction, but I believe 
that they 
> are missing a boot sector. That means that you cannot read Yamaha-
published 
> disks on a computer unless you have special software for this 
purpose, such as the 
> Geibler Utility. In no case are these disks readable on a Macintosh.
> 
> I don't know whether there is any technical distinction between a 
disk that 
> is formatted in the Disklavier vs. a pre-formatted PC disk vs. a 
disk formatted 
> on a Windows computer (or on a Mac using the PC format). 
Regardless, all of 
> these disks ARE readable by the Disklavier.
> 
> A DC6 with a DKC100R control unit is a Mark II series Disklavier. I 
can only 
> read the double-density (DD) disk format.
> 
> Assuming that you format DD disks in your Disklavier, purchase pre-
formatted 
> DD disks, or properly format them in a PC, you are fine. You can 
easily go 
> back and forth between computer and PC. If, however, you 
incorrectly format a DD 
> disk as an HD disk on a PC or you format an HD disk on the 
Disklavier (which 
> results in a DD format), then things don't work out right.
> 
> The last thing to know is this: although you can transfer files 
back and 
> forth between computer and Disklavier, the files that you record on 
the Disklavier 
> will be in E-SEQ format. Since there are few if any E-SEQ playback 
or editing 
> programs for PC, there is not much that you can do with these files 
on the PC 
> unless you convert them using the Geibler utilities.
> 
> On the other hand, if you record directly into your computer and 
save the 
> resulting files as Standard MIDI File (SMF) Type 0 or if you 
acquire SMFs of Type 
> 0 from other sources, you can copy them to a DD disk for playback 
in your 
> Disklavier--assuming that your Disklavier has the firmware update 
that provides 
> limited support for SMF Type 0. NOTE: Avoid putting both E-SEQ and 
SMFs on the 
> same disk with this Disklavier.
> 
> IMHO, your life will be much easier if you add a Yamaha DSR1 to 
your 
> Disklavier, thus providing it with full SMF support, HD support, 
and an internal tone 
> generator.
> 
> Regards,
> PianoBench
> 
> In a message dated 11/8/04 5:55:10 PM, rwelcyng@a... writes:
> 
> 
> > 
> > The Disklavier's diskette format is different from a PC's.  To a 
PC, a
> > Disklavier-formatted diskette appears to be in need of formatting.
> > Don't do it of course!
> > 
> > I use and recommend the Geibler Utility (www.giebler.com) Yamaha 
Disk
> > Manager (which runs under DOS).  Other folks use the DKVUtils 
available
> > for downloading on this site.
> > 
> > terryl212 wrote:
> > >
> > > I have a DC6 with a DKC100R.  The DKC100R diskette format 
appears to
> > > be different from my PC's diskette format.  Does anyone know if 
it's
> > > possible to transfer files to & from the PC to the DKC100R via
> > > diskette.  If not, can it be done some other way (e.g. cable)?
> > >
> > > Any help is appreciated.
> > >
> > > Thanks, Terry
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > To Post a message to the group, send it to:   disklavier@Y...
> > >
> > > To Post a private message to Todd Muncy, the group's founder 
and 
> > moderator, send it to:
> > > disklavier-owner@Y...
> > >
> > > To reach our group's web site go to:
> > > http://Yahoogroups.com/group/disklavier
> > >
> > > Todd's family web site was completely updated 012/22/03.  It 
contains some 
> > fun disklavier content and links to midi sites among many other 
things, The 
> > url is:
> > > http://MuncyFamily.com
> > >
> > > THINKING OF LEAVING THE GROUP?
> > > If you are thinking of unsubcribing because you are getting too 
much mail, 
> > go the the web site and change your email delivery option 
instead.  That 
> > will fix the problem, while maintaining your access to the 
group.  If you insist 
> > on leaving us completely send a blank email to:
> > > disklavier-unsubscribe@y...
> > >
> > > Know someone who wants to join?  Have them send a blank email 
to:
> > > disklavier-subscribe@e... or give them this link:
> > > http://Yahoogroups.com/group/disklavier/join
> > > 
> > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > 
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > 
> > 
> > --
> > Robert Welcyng
> > Anchorage, Alaska
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > To Post a message to the group, send it to:   disklavier@Y...
> > 
> > To Post a private message to Todd Muncy, the group's founder and 
moderator, 
> > send it to:
> > disklavier-owner@Y...
> > 
> > To reach our group's web site go to:
> > http://Yahoogroups.com/group/disklavier
> > 
> > Todd's family web site was completely updated 012/22/03.  It 
contains some 
> > fun disklavier content and links to midi sites among many other 
things, The 
> > url is:
> > http://MuncyFamily.com
> > 
> > THINKING OF LEAVING THE GROUP?
> > If you are thinking of unsubcribing because you are getting too 
much mail, 
> > go the the web site and change your email delivery option 
instead.  That will 
> > fix the problem, while maintaining your access to the group.  If 
you insist 

> > on leaving us completely send a blank email to:
> > disklavier-unsubscribe@y...
> > 
> > Know someone who wants to join?  Have them send a blank email to:
> > disklavier-subscribe@e... or give them this link:
> > http://Yahoogroups.com/group/disklavier/join
> > 
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >

Hi

I am sorry I don't know your DKV but you can not format a 1.4M floppy 
as a 720K and then expect a PC to read it.  The other hole tells the 
PC that it is 1.4M but if you format it to 720K it will not see it. 
You could tape over the hole, but I don't like doing that as the tape 
may come off inside the drive.

It is ALWAYS worth keeping an old PC with Win95/98 on it just for 
these occasions.  I keep an old laptop handy for this.


Midi Magic



--- In disklavier@yahoogroups.com, "terryl212" <terryl212@h...> wrote:
> 
> Thanks for the help from both of you.  I was able to download and 
> play files from this site thanks to your guidance.  
> 
> One odd item.  I could only create usable diskettes from new 
> preformatted diskettes, i.e. came that way from manufacturer.  
> Diskettes formatted in the DKC100R were not readable by the PC even 
> with the EEXPLORE.EXE program provided in the dkvutils.zip file.  I 
> tried reformatting DKC100R formatted diskettes, however Windows XP 
> Pro only allows me to format 1.44 MB diskettes, even though I 
> inserted the old DD diskette.  The net result is that once I've 
> formatted the diskette with the Disklavier, it is no longer 
readable 
> by the PC.  
> 
> If anyone knows the number of tracks, sectors and bytes per cluster 
> I might be able to re-format a 720kb floppy using the old DOS 
format 
> command.
> 
> Maybe I need an older version of Windows
> 
> Any ideas?
> 
> Thanks for the help.
> 
> 
> 
> --- In disklavier@yahoogroups.com, PianoBench@a... wrote:
> > Good evening, everyone.
> > 
> > Robert's reply needs additional explanation, I think.
> > 
> > Yamaha's published disks are definitely different from the normal 
> PC format. 
> > I am not 100% certain of the technical distinction, but I believe 
> that they 
> > are missing a boot sector. That means that you cannot read Yamaha-
> published 
> > disks on a computer unless you have special software for this 
> purpose, such as the 
> > Geibler Utility. In no case are these disks readable on a 
> Macintosh.
> > 
> > I don't know whether there is any technical distinction between a 
> disk that 
> > is formatted in the Disklavier vs. a pre-formatted PC disk vs. a 
> disk formatted 
> > on a Windows computer (or on a Mac using the PC format). 
> Regardless, all of 
> > these disks ARE readable by the Disklavier.
> > 
> > A DC6 with a DKC100R control unit is a Mark II series Disklavier. 
> I can only 
> > read the double-density (DD) disk format.
> > 
> > Assuming that you format DD disks in your Disklavier, purchase 
pre-
> formatted 
> > DD disks, or properly format them in a PC, you are fine. You can 
> easily go 
> > back and forth between computer and PC. If, however, you 
> incorrectly format a DD 
> > disk as an HD disk on a PC or you format an HD disk on the 
> Disklavier (which 
> > results in a DD format), then things don't work out right.
> > 
> > The last thing to know is this: although you can transfer files 
> back and 
> > forth between computer and Disklavier, the files that you record 
> on the Disklavier 
> > will be in E-SEQ format. Since there are few if any E-SEQ 
playback 
> or editing 
> > programs for PC, there is not much that you can do with these 
> files on the PC 
> > unless you convert them using the Geibler utilities.
> > 
> > On the other hand, if you record directly into your computer and 
> save the 
> > resulting files as Standard MIDI File (SMF) Type 0 or if you 
> acquire SMFs of Type 
> > 0 from other sources, you can copy them to a DD disk for playback 
> in your 
> > Disklavier--assuming that your Disklavier has the firmware update 
> that provides 
> > limited support for SMF Type 0. NOTE: Avoid putting both E-SEQ 
and 
> SMFs on the 
> > same disk with this Disklavier.
> > 
> > IMHO, your life will be much easier if you add a Yamaha DSR1 to 
> your 
> > Disklavier, thus providing it with full SMF support, HD support, 
> and an internal tone 
> > generator.
> > 
> > Regards,
> > PianoBench
> > 
> > In a message dated 11/8/04 5:55:10 PM, rwelcyng@a... writes:
> > 
> > 
> > > 
> > > The Disklavier's diskette format is different from a PC's.  To 
a 
> PC, a
> > > Disklavier-formatted diskette appears to be in need of 
> formatting.
> > > Don't do it of course!
> > > 
> > > I use and recommend the Geibler Utility (www.giebler.com) 
Yamaha 
> Disk
> > > Manager (which runs under DOS).  Other folks use the DKVUtils 
> available
> > > for downloading on this site.
> > > 
> > > terryl212 wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I have a DC6 with a DKC100R.  The DKC100R diskette format 
> appears to
> > > > be different from my PC's diskette format.  Does anyone know 
> if it's
> > > > possible to transfer files to & from the PC to the DKC100R via
> > > > diskette.  If not, can it be done some other way (e.g. cable)?
> > > >
> > > > Any help is appreciated.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks, Terry
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > To Post a message to the group, send it to:   disklavier@Y...
> > > >
> > > > To Post a private message to Todd Muncy, the group's founder 
> and 
> > > moderator, send it to:
> > > > disklavier-owner@Y...
> > > >
> > > > To reach our group's web site go to:
> > > > http://Yahoogroups.com/group/disklavier
> > > >
> > > > Todd's family web site was completely updated 012/22/03.  It 
> contains some 
> > > fun disklavier content and links to midi sites among many other 
> things, The 
> > > url is:
> > > > http://MuncyFamily.com
> > > >
> > > > THINKING OF LEAVING THE GROUP?
> > > > If you are thinking of unsubcribing because you are getting 
> too much mail, 
> > > go the the web site and change your email delivery option 
> instead.  That 
> > > will fix the problem, while maintaining your access to the 
> group.  If you insist 
> > > on leaving us completely send a blank email to:
> > > > disklavier-unsubscribe@y...
> > > >
> > > > Know someone who wants to join?  Have them send a blank email 
> to:
> > > > disklavier-subscribe@e... or give them this link:
> > > > http://Yahoogroups.com/group/disklavier/join
> > > > 
> > > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > 
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --
> > > Robert Welcyng
> > > Anchorage, Alaska
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > To Post a message to the group, send it to:   disklavier@Y...
> > > 
> > > To Post a private message to Todd Muncy, the group's founder 
and 
> moderator, 
> > > send it to:
> > > disklavier-owner@Y...
> > > 
> > > To reach our group's web site go to:
> > > http://Yahoogroups.com/group/disklavier
> > > 
> > > Todd's family web site was completely updated 012/22/03.  It 
> contains some 
> > > fun disklavier content and links to midi sites among many other 
> things, The 
> > > url is:
> > > http://MuncyFamily.com
> > > 
> > > THINKING OF LEAVING THE GROUP?
> > > If you are thinking of unsubcribing because you are getting too 
> much mail, 
> > > go the the web site and change your email delivery option 
> instead.  That will 
> > > fix the problem, while maintaining your access to the group.  
If 
> you insist 
> > > on leaving us completely send a blank email to:
> > > disklavier-unsubscribe@y...
> > > 
> > > Know someone who wants to join?  Have them send a blank email 
to:

> > > disklavier-subscribe@e... or give them this link:
> > > http://Yahoogroups.com/group/disklavier/join
> > > 
> > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > >

A discussion for the newbies...

I purchased a used DC3A Wagon model built in 1992 (I think).  Great
condition a truly great piano.

 I then searched the internet and found a deal on a used DSR1 which I
married to an old stereo receiver and speakers.  This brought the world of
midi (XG and normal) as well as HD disks.

I then took an older laptop computer with Cakewalk and the great yamplayer
software (thanks DC) which allows me to play the piano directly from my PC.

I now have thousands of midi files organized on the PC (principally
collected from the web) that I can play without ever touching a disk. (I am
of course backed up on CD) I have also networked the computer so when the
kids say "do you have a song I know", I can immediately find it using a
midi search on the web and download it, may convert slightly in Cakewalk
and then play it in minutes.   I also find myself looking on-line for
lyrics on songs and viewing them on the computer as the song plays.

Next I hope to find the perfect Karaoke player that will Include the lyrics
of the songs as well as a midi driver out.

Looking at the new Disklavier, I am not all that jealous.  I am very happy
with the upgradability and flexibility and price of the older model.

Ideas are always welcome.

Cheers

Dan O'Connor





                                                                           
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Good evening, everyone.

Robert's reply needs additional explanation, I think.

Yamaha's published disks are definitely different from the normal PC
format. I am not 100% certain of the technical distinction, but I believe
that they are missing a boot sector. That means that you cannot read
Yamaha-published disks on a computer unless you have special software for
this purpose, such as the Geibler Utility. In no case are these disks
readable on a Macintosh.

I don't know whether there is any technical distinction between a disk that
is formatted in the Disklavier vs. a pre-formatted PC disk vs. a disk
formatted on a Windows computer (or on a Mac using the PC format).
Regardless, all of these disks ARE readable by the Disklavier.

A DC6 with a DKC100R control unit is a Mark II series Disklavier. I can
only read the double-density (DD) disk format.

Assuming that you format DD disks in your Disklavier, purchase
pre-formatted DD disks, or properly format them in a PC, you are fine. You
can easily go back and forth between computer and PC. If, however, you
incorrectly format a DD disk as an HD disk on a PC or you format an HD disk
on the Disklavier (which results in a DD format), then things don't work
out right.

The last thing to know is this: although you can transfer files back and
forth between computer and Disklavier, the files that you record on the
Disklavier will be in E-SEQ format. Since there are few if any E-SEQ
playback or editing programs for PC, there is not much that you can do with
these files on the PC unless you convert them using the Geibler utilities.

On the other hand, if you record directly into your computer and save the
resulting files as Standard MIDI File (SMF) Type 0 or if you acquire SMFs
of Type 0 from other sources, you can copy them to a DD disk for playback
in your Disklavier--assuming that your Disklavier has the firmware update
that provides limited support for SMF Type 0. NOTE: Avoid putting both
E-SEQ and SMFs on the same disk with this Disklavier.

IMHO, your life will be much easier if you add a Yamaha DSR1 to your
Disklavier, thus providing it with full SMF support, HD support, and an
internal tone generator.

Regards,
PianoBench

In a message dated 11/8/04 5:55:10 PM, rwelcyng@... writes:



 The Disklavier's diskette format is different from a PC's.  To a PC, a
 Disklavier-formatted diskette appears to be in need of formatting.
 Don't do it of course!

 I use and recommend the Geibler Utility (www.giebler.com) Yamaha Disk
 Manager (which runs under DOS).  Other folks use the DKVUtils available
 for downloading on this site.

 terryl212 wrote:
 >
 > I have a DC6 with a DKC100R.  The DKC100R diskette format appears to
 > be different from my PC's diskette format.  Does anyone know if it's
 > possible to transfer files to & from the PC to the DKC100R via
 > diskette.  If not, can it be done some other way (e.g. cable)?
 >
 > Any help is appreciated.
 >
 > Thanks, Terry
 >
 >
 >
 >
 >
 >
 >
 > To Post a message to the group, send it to:   disklavier@...
 >
 > To Post a private message to Todd Muncy, the group's founder and
 moderator, send it to:
 > disklavier-owner@...
 >
 > To reach our group's web site go to:
 > http://Yahoogroups.com/group/disklavier
 >
 > Todd's family web site was completely updated 012/22/03.  It contains
 some fun disklavier content and links to midi sites among many other
 things, The url is:
 > http://MuncyFamily.com
 >
 > THINKING OF LEAVING THE GROUP?
 > If you are thinking of unsubcribing because you are getting too much
 mail, go the the web site and change your email delivery option instead.
 That will fix the problem, while maintaining your access to the group.  If
 you insist on leaving us completely send a blank email to:
 > disklavier-unsubscribe@...
 >
 > Know someone who wants to join?  Have them send a blank email to:
 > disklavier-subscribe@... or give them this link:
 > http://Yahoogroups.com/group/disklavier/join
 >
 > Yahoo! Groups Links
 >
 >
 >
 >
 >
 >
 >
 >
 >


 --
 Robert Welcyng
 Anchorage, Alaska





 To Post a message to the group, send it to:   disklavier@...

 To Post a private message to Todd Muncy, the group's founder and
 moderator, send it to:
 disklavier-owner@...

 To reach our group's web site go to:
 http://Yahoogroups.com/group/disklavier

 Todd's family web site was completely updated 012/22/03.  It contains some
 fun disklavier content and links to midi sites among many other things,
 The url is:
 http://MuncyFamily.com

 THINKING OF LEAVING THE GROUP?
 If you are thinking of unsubcribing because you are getting too much mail,
 go the the web site and change your email delivery option instead.  That
 will fix the problem, while maintaining your access to the group.  If you
 insist on leaving us completely send a blank email to:
 disklavier-unsubscribe@...

 Know someone who wants to join?  Have them send a blank email to:
 disklavier-subscribe@eGroups.com or give them this link:
 http://Yahoogroups.com/group/disklavier/join

 Yahoo! Groups Links

Hi Dan

Have you tried vanBasco's Karaoke Player, it plays MIDI Karaoke files 

http://www.vanbasco.com/

Midi Magic





--- In disklavier@yahoogroups.com, "Daniel O'Connor" 
<dano77vette@e...> wrote:
> 
> 
> A discussion for the newbies...
> 
> I purchased a used DC3A Wagon model built in 1992 (I think).  Great
> condition a truly great piano.
> 
>  I then searched the internet and found a deal on a used DSR1 which 
I
> married to an old stereo receiver and speakers.  This brought the 
world of
> midi (XG and normal) as well as HD disks.
> 
> I then took an older laptop computer with Cakewalk and the great 
yamplayer
> software (thanks DC) which allows me to play the piano directly 
from my PC.
> 
> I now have thousands of midi files organized on the PC (principally
> collected from the web) that I can play without ever touching a 
disk. (I am
> of course backed up on CD) I have also networked the computer so 
when the
> kids say "do you have a song I know", I can immediately find it 
using a
> midi search on the web and download it, may convert slightly in 
Cakewalk
> and then play it in minutes.   I also find myself looking on-line 
for
> lyrics on songs and viewing them on the computer as the song plays.
> 
> Next I hope to find the perfect Karaoke player that will Include 
the lyrics
> of the songs as well as a midi driver out.
> 
> Looking at the new Disklavier, I am not all that jealous.  I am 
very happy
> with the upgradability and flexibility and price of the older model.
> 
> Ideas are always welcome.
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Dan O'Connor
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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> 
> 
> 
> 
> Good evening, everyone.
> 
> Robert's reply needs additional explanation, I think.
> 
> Yamaha's published disks are definitely different from the normal PC
> format. I am not 100% certain of the technical distinction, but I 
believe
> that they are missing a boot sector. That means that you cannot read
> Yamaha-published disks on a computer unless you have special 
software for
> this purpose, such as the Geibler Utility. In no case are these 
disks
> readable on a Macintosh.
> 
> I don't know whether there is any technical distinction between a 
disk that
> is formatted in the Disklavier vs. a pre-formatted PC disk vs. a 
disk
> formatted on a Windows computer (or on a Mac using the PC format).
> Regardless, all of these disks ARE readable by the Disklavier.
> 
> A DC6 with a DKC100R control unit is a Mark II series Disklavier. I 
can
> only read the double-density (DD) disk format.
> 
> Assuming that you format DD disks in your Disklavier, purchase
> pre-formatted DD disks, or properly format them in a PC, you are 
fine. You
> can easily go back and forth between computer and PC. If, however, 
you
> incorrectly format a DD disk as an HD disk on a PC or you format an 
HD disk
> on the Disklavier (which results in a DD format), then things don't 
work
> out right.
> 
> The last thing to know is this: although you can transfer files 
back and
> forth between computer and Disklavier, the files that you record on 
the
> Disklavier will be in E-SEQ format. Since there are few if any E-SEQ
> playback or editing programs for PC, there is not much that you can 
do with
> these files on the PC unless you convert them using the Geibler 
utilities.
> 
> On the other hand, if you record directly into your computer and 
save the
> resulting files as Standard MIDI File (SMF) Type 0 or if you 
acquire SMFs
> of Type 0 from other sources, you can copy them to a DD disk for 
playback
> in your Disklavier--assuming that your Disklavier has the firmware 
update
> that provides limited support for SMF Type 0. NOTE: Avoid putting 
both
> E-SEQ and SMFs on the same disk with this Disklavier.
> 
> IMHO, your life will be much easier if you add a Yamaha DSR1 to your
> Disklavier, thus providing it with full SMF support, HD support, 
and an
> internal tone generator.
> 
> Regards,
> PianoBench
> 
> In a message dated 11/8/04 5:55:10 PM, rwelcyng@a... writes:
> 
> 
> 
>  The Disklavier's diskette format is different from a PC's.  To a 
PC, a
>  Disklavier-formatted diskette appears to be in need of formatting.
>  Don't do it of course!
> 
>  I use and recommend the Geibler Utility (www.giebler.com) Yamaha 
Disk
>  Manager (which runs under DOS).  Other folks use the DKVUtils 
available
>  for downloading on this site.
> 
>  terryl212 wrote:
>  >
>  > I have a DC6 with a DKC100R.  The DKC100R diskette format 
appears to
>  > be different from my PC's diskette format.  Does anyone know if 
it's
>  > possible to transfer files to & from the PC to the DKC100R via
>  > diskette.  If not, can it be done some other way (e.g. cable)?
>  >
>  > Any help is appreciated.
>  >
>  > Thanks, Terry
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  > To Post a message to the group, send it to:   disklavier@Y...
>  >
>  > To Post a private message to Todd Muncy, the group's founder and
>  moderator, send it to:
>  > disklavier-owner@Y...
>  >
>  > To reach our group's web site go to:
>  > http://Yahoogroups.com/group/disklavier
>  >
>  > Todd's family web site was completely updated 012/22/03.  It 
contains
>  some fun disklavier content and links to midi sites among many 
other
>  things, The url is:
>  > http://MuncyFamily.com
>  >
>  > THINKING OF LEAVING THE GROUP?
>  > If you are thinking of unsubcribing because you are getting too 
much
>  mail, go the the web site and change your email delivery option 
instead.
>  That will fix the problem, while maintaining your access to the 
group.  If
>  you insist on leaving us completely send a blank email to:
>  > disklavier-unsubscribe@y...
>  >
>  > Know someone who wants to join?  Have them send a blank email to:
>  > disklavier-subscribe@e... or give them this link:
>  > http://Yahoogroups.com/group/disklavier/join
>  >
>  > Yahoo! Groups Links
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >
> 
> 
>  --
>  Robert Welcyng
>  Anchorage, Alaska
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  To Post a message to the group, send it to:   disklavier@Y...
> 
>  To Post a private message to Todd Muncy, the group's founder and
>  moderator, send it to:
>  disklavier-owner@Y...
> 
>  To reach our group's web site go to:
>  http://Yahoogroups.com/group/disklavier
> 
>  Todd's family web site was completely updated 012/22/03.  It 
contains some
>  fun disklavier content and links to midi sites among many other 
things,
>  The url is:
>  http://MuncyFamily.com
> 
>  THINKING OF LEAVING THE GROUP?
>  If you are thinking of unsubcribing because you are getting too 
much mail,
>  go the the web site and change your email delivery option 
instead.  That
>  will fix the problem, while maintaining your access to the group.  
If you

>  insist on leaving us completely send a blank email to:
>  disklavier-unsubscribe@y...
> 
>  Know someone who wants to join?  Have them send a blank email to:
>  disklavier-subscribe@e... or give them this link:
>  http://Yahoogroups.com/group/disklavier/join
> 
>  Yahoo! Groups Links

VanBasco
That is the one I use with my DKV!

Just remember to assign the piano parts to channel 1 (or what ever 
you have set up).
You may also need to rename (just that) the KAR files to MID files 
and back again if you use cakewalk as the sequencer (editor) for 
doing the instruments (voices) assignment.

I also think that the channel - track confusion would arrive in KAR.

In standard KAR files track 2 (not channel 2) is assigned to lyrics.
(VanBasco recognizes them in any track)

If you want to make your own KAR files then try PGMUSIC's Power 
Tracks Sequencer, it is not as powerful as Cakewalk, but has nicer 
features to add lyrics to MID files an create KAR files.

There were some free KAR editors but not so nice to use for me.
Regards

--- In disklavier@yahoogroups.com, "midi_magic2000" 
<magic_midi@h...> wrote:
> 
> Hi Dan
> 
> Have you tried vanBasco's Karaoke Player, it plays MIDI Karaoke 
files 

> 
> http://www.vanbasco.com/
> 
> Midi Magic
> 
> 
> 
> 
>