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PRC-100 not connecting to Mark IV

2012-10-02 by gborrud

My PRC-100 stopped connecting to my Disklavier a while ago and I haven't been able to figure out what the issue is.  I've scoured message boards and manuals but can't seem to find anything that will help so I'm hoping the group might have some ideas.

When I go to connect it just searches for the piano but never finds anything.  My Iphone app is able to find the piano so I know the networking from the piano is fine.  It has to be the PRC-100 in my mind.

I've rebooted it.  I've looked at some of the help software on the device itself (which didn't work either).

I feel like the most likely candidate at this point is that the wifi card has failed and needs to be replaced.  Either that - or there is something wrong with the configuration files.

I have two small kids so when they see the PRC-100 they start looking for a game to play on it.  Who knows what they might have accidentally done to the configuration when I wasn't watching.

Any tips on the configuration for networking?
Any way to restore the PRC-100 to the original settings and start over?
Any thoughts on how to check to see if the network card has failed.

Thanks for any and all help.
Greg

Re: [disklavier] PRC-100 not connecting to Mark IV

2012-10-02 by Carol Beigel

Have you updated your Disklavier to the latest software upgrade - version 4.0?  When you do this to the Disklavier, you also separately update the PRC-100.  Maybe try an update?  Also, check under the piano and make sure the CF card is installed properly and no laying inside the I/O center.

Carol

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On Oct 2, 2012, at 12:40 PM, gborrud wrote:

> My PRC-100 stopped connecting to my Disklavier a while ago and I haven't been able to figure out what the issue is.  I've scoured message boards and manuals but can't seem to find anything that will help so I'm hoping the group might have some ideas.
> 
> When I go to connect it just searches for the piano but never finds anything.  My Iphone app is able to find the piano so I know the networking from the piano is fine.  It has to be the PRC-100 in my mind.
> 
> I've rebooted it.  I've looked at some of the help software on the device itself (which didn't work either).
> 
> I feel like the most likely candidate at this point is that the wifi card has failed and needs to be replaced.  Either that - or there is something wrong with the configuration files.
> 
> I have two small kids so when they see the PRC-100 they start looking for a game to play on it.  Who knows what they might have accidentally done to the configuration when I wasn't watching.
> 
> Any tips on the configuration for networking?
> Any way to restore the PRC-100 to the original settings and start over?
> Any thoughts on how to check to see if the network card has failed.
> 
> Thanks for any and all help.
> Greg
> 
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Re: [disklavier] PRC-100 not connecting to Mark IV

2012-10-03 by athomik

The only way you can test if the PRC-100 is causing the problem, would be to try another remote control. You can try a new Wifi card - available from Amazon/eBay for a fraction of the price of a Yamaha spare part. (Ambicom WL1100C-CF is the one that replaced the original Yamaha branded card).

Often, the CF card interface on the remote fails. You're looking at around UKP300-400 for a new circuit board (not sure about the price in the US). I've also come across cases where someone removed the CF WiFi card on the I/O Centre on the piano and bent some pins when re-inserting it (esp. on older Mark IVs, before they fitted a guide to the main PCB). That could be quite an expensive repair, as replacing the CF card socket is a bit of a specialist job.

Another thing you can try is to eliminate other sources of interference such as wireless routers. I had a case where the PRC couldn't see the piano because the piano was sitting 2 feet away from a powerful wireless router which drowned out the PRC signal.

If you have updated the software, the PRC should still connect to the piano, but you will get an error message. In that case, go through the "Inerface Updater" procedure, then go to the "System" -> "Setup" -> "Recall Demo Album" procedure.

athomik

On Oct 2 2012, Carol Beigel wrote:

>Have you updated your Disklavier to the latest software upgrade - version 4.0? When you do this to the Disklavier, you also separately update the PRC-100. Maybe try an update? Also, check under the piano and make sure the CF card is installed properly and no laying inside the I/O center.
>
>Carol
>
>On Oct 2, 2012, at 12:40 PM, gborrud wrote:
>
>>; My PRC-100 stopped connecting to my Disklavier a while ago and I haven't been able to figure out what the issue is. I've scoured message boards and manuals but can't seem to find anything that will help so I'm hoping the group might have some ideas.
>>
>> When I go to connect it just searches for the piano but never finds anything. My Iphone app is able to find the piano so I know the networking from the piano is fine. It has to be the PRC-100 in my mind.
>>
>> I've rebooted it. I've looked at some of the help software on the device itself (which didn't work either).
>>
>> I feel like the most likely candidate at this point is that the wifi card has failed and needs to be replaced. Either that - or there is something wrong with the configuration files.
>>
>> I have two small kids so when they see the PRC-100 they start looking for a game to play on it. Who knows what they might have accidentally done to the configuration when I wasn't watching.
>>
>> Any tips on the configuration for networking?
>> Any way to restore the PRC-100 to the original settings and start over?
>> Any thoughts on how to check to see if the network card has failed.
>>
>> Thanks for any and all help.
>> Greg
>>
>>
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Re: [disklavier] PRC-100 not connecting to Mark IV

2012-10-03 by athomik

Sorry, I didn't see your bit about the iPhone. There are no settings on the PRC-100 which would affect it's connection to the piano. You can try setting the piano to a different WiFi channel. Yamaha should be able to tell you how to do it.

athomik

On Oct 2 2012, gborrud wrote:

>My PRC-100 stopped connecting to my Disklavier a while ago and I haven't been able to figure out what the issue is. I've scoured message boards and manuals but can't seem to find anything that will help so I'm hoping the group might have some ideas.
>
>When I go to connect it just searches for the piano but never finds anything. My Iphone app is able to find the piano so I know the networking from the piano is fine. It has to be the PRC-100 in my mind.
>
>I've rebooted it. I've looked at some of the help software on the device itself (which didn't work either).
>
>I feel like the most likely candidate at this point is that the wifi card has failed and needs to be replaced. Either that - or there is something wrong with the configuration files.
>
>I have two small kids so when they see the PRC-100 they start looking for a game to play on it. Who knows what they might have accidentally done to the configuration when I wasn't watching.
>
>Any tips on the configuration for networking?
>Any way to restore the PRC-100 to the original settings and start over?
>Any thoughts on how to check to see if the network card has failed.
>
>Thanks for any and all help.
>Greg
>
>
>
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Re: [disklavier] PRC-100 not connecting to Mark IV

2012-10-03 by Kevin Goroway

Actually, the bit about the iPhone doesn't really prove much at all.  The MarkIV has two network connections.  The wireless one is the one that the PRC-100 uses.  The "wired" network is the one that must be connected to use Disklavier Radio, the IPhone App, the virtual PRC, etc.  As it turns out, many people connect this to a wireless access point which only succeeds in discussing the "wireless" network connection of the piano that much more confusing.

That being said, there is one thing you can do to see if your PRC is the problem, or the Disklavier is the problem (both sides of this wireless network use a CF card to supply the wireless interface).

1) On any computer that is somewhat close to your piano...have it search for wireless networks.  It should absolutely find one called DKV{something or other}.  Like DKV534ABC.  If it sees that you can be fairly certain that the piano side of the network is just fine.  If not, it's a pretty big clue the piano side of the network is faulty.

2) If you leave your computer's wireless interface actually connected to the piano's wireless network (it won't have internet access, or much access at all), you can launch DKVBrowser and configure it to actually connect to the piano's wireless interface IP address.  In effect, you will be using DKVBrowser as a wireless PRC, forcing it to use that network instead of the one it normally uses (the one that leads to the wired connection of the piano).  That should absolute work if the first step worked...and it would prove that your PRC is faulty (or the CF card in it).  

-Kevin

From: athomik <mangez@...>
To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, October 3, 2012 9:55 AM
Subject: Re: [disklavier] PRC-100 not connecting to Mark IV
 

  
Sorry, I didn't see your bit about the iPhone. There are no settings on the PRC-100 which would affect it's connection to the piano. You can try setting the piano to a different WiFi channel. Yamaha should be able to tell you how to do it.

athomik

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On Oct 2 2012, gborrud wrote: 

>My PRC-100 stopped connecting to my Disklavier a while ago and I haven't been able to figure out what the issue is.  I've scoured message boards and manuals but can't seem to find anything that will help so I'm hoping the group might have some ideas.
>
>When I go to connect it just searches for the piano but never finds anything.  My Iphone app is able to find the piano so I know the networking from the piano is fine.  It has to be the PRC-100 in my mind.
>
>I've rebooted it.  I've looked at some of the help software on the device itself (which didn't work either).
>
>I feel like the most likely candidate at this point is that the wifi card has failed and needs to be replaced.  Either that - or there is something wrong with the configuration files.
>
>I have two small kids so when they see the PRC-100 they start looking for a game to play on it.  Who knows what they might have accidentally done to the configuration when I wasn't watching.
>
>Any tips on the configuration for networking?
>Any way to restore the PRC-100 to the original settings and start over?
>Any thoughts on how to check to see if the network card has failed.
>
>Thanks for any and all help.
>Greg
>
>
>
>
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>If you are thinking of unsubcribing because you are getting too much mail, go the the web site and change your email delivery option instead.  That will fix the problem, while maintaining your access to the group.  If you insist on leaving us completely send a blank email to:
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Re: [disklavier] PRC-100 not connecting to Mark IV

2012-10-05 by athomik

I have just had a look at a MkIV yesterday with the same problem (among others).

Usually, I find that the problem is either from other, more powerful wireless systems in the vicinity, or it is a problem with the CF card interface on the PRC-100, which would mean that the main circuit board in the PRC needs to be replace (Not cheap and quite involved as they don't come with the software pre-installed).

However, this one yesterday had a problem on the motherboard. If the problem is not down to bent pins on the CF card connector (not unusual and the connector can be replaced), it's a hardware fault on the mother board. Replacing the mother board is a very expensive job, but the boards should still be available - which I will have to do in this case.

athomik

On Oct 3 2012, Kevin Goroway wrote:

>Actually, the bit about the iPhone doesn't really prove much at all. Â The MarkIV has two network connections. Â The wireless one is the one that the PRC-100 uses. Â The "wired" network is the one that must be connected to use Disklavier Radio, the IPhone App, the virtual PRC, etc. Â As it turns out, many people connect this to a wireless access point which only succeeds in discussing the "wireless" network connection of the piano that much more confusing.
>
>That being said, there is one thing you can do to see if your PRC is the problem, or the Disklavier is the problem (both sides of this wireless network use a CF card to supply the wireless interface).
>;
>1) On any computer that is somewhat close to your piano...have it search for wireless networks. Â It should absolutely find one called DKV{something or other}. Â Like DKV534ABC. Â If it sees that you can be fairly certain that the piano side of the network is just fine. Â If not, it's a pretty big clue the piano side of the network is faulty.
>
>2) If you leave your computer's wireless interface actually connected to the piano's wireless network (it won't have internet access, or much access at all), you can launch DKVBrowser and configure it to actually connect to the piano's wireless interface IP address. Â ;In effect, you will be using DKVBrowser as a wireless PRC, forcing it to use that network instead of the one it normally uses (the one that leads to the wired connection of the piano). Â That should absolute work if the first step worked...and it would prove that your PRC is faulty (or the CF card in it). Â
>
>-Kevin
>
>From: athomik
>To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
>Sent: Wednesday, October 3, 2012 9:55 AM
>Subject: Re: [disklavier] PRC-100 not connecting to Mark IV
>
>
>Â
>Sorry, I didn't see your bit about the iPhone. There are no settings on the PRC-100 which would affect it's connection to the piano. You can try setting the piano to a different WiFi channel. Yamaha should be able to tell you how to do it.
>
>athomik
>
>On Oct 2 2012, gborrud wrote:
>
>>My PRC-100 stopped connecting to my Disklavier a while ago and I haven't been able to figure out what the issue is. I've scoured message boards and manuals but can't seem to find anything that will help so I'm hoping the group might have some ideas.
>>
>>When I go to connect it just searches for the piano but never finds anything. My Iphone app is able to find the piano so I know the networking from the piano is fine. It has to be the PRC-100 in my mind.
>>
>>I've rebooted it. I've looked at some of the help software on the device itself (which didn't work either).
>>
>>I feel like the most likely candidate at this point is that the wifi card has failed and needs to be replaced. Either that - or there is something wrong with the configuration files.
>>
>>I have two small kids so when they see the PRC-100 they start looking for a game to play on it. Who knows what they might have accidentally done to the configuration when I wasn't watching.
>>
>>Any tips on the configuration for networking?
>>Any way to restore the PRC-100 to the original settings and start over?
>>Any thoughts on how to check to see if the network card has failed.
>>
>>Thanks for any and all help.
>>Greg
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>>If you are thinking of unsubcribing because you are getting too much mail, go the the web site and change your email delivery option instead. That will fix the problem, while maintaining your access to the group. If you insist on leaving us completely send a blank email to:
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Re: PRC-100 not connecting to Mark IV

2012-10-07 by gborrud

First off - thanks to everyone for their feedback.  Love how responsive and supportive this group is!

I finally had a little time to follow up on this today.  Something Kevin said in this post actually hit home.  I was mistakenly thinking that since my Iphone was working that the problem must be with the PRC-100.  But I forgot that I actually access that through a separate wireless connection (Apple Airport Express).

And when searching for wifi networks nearby I have always seen the Disklavier network (something like DKV543ABC).  But when I search for available networks near my piano now I do not see that anymore.  

So I've now changed my thinking from this being a problem with the PRC-100 to actually the piano which is no longer creating a accessible network nearby (my terminology here might not be spot on but hopefully you get the idea).

I checked the CF card on the piano and it looked fine.  It was actually still taped in place.  I removed tape.  Unplugged it and plugged it back in.  Everything looks fine and nothing appears damaged at all.

I completely rebooted the system.  That didn't seem to make a difference.

Any other ideas on why the piano might not be creating the local network?  Can I take the CF card from the PRC-100 and put it in the piano and see if that works?  It looks like there is a slot for a PC card but there is nothing in it.  I assume there is not supposed to be anything in there but maybe there is.  

Any other feedback is appreciated and thanks to all for your help!
Greg

--- In disklavier@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Goroway <kgoroway@...> wrote:

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>
> Actually, the bit about the iPhone doesn't really prove much at all. Â The MarkIV has two network connections. Â The wireless one is the one that the PRC-100 uses. Â The "wired" network is the one that must be connected to use Disklavier Radio, the IPhone App, the virtual PRC, etc. Â As it turns out, many people connect this to a wireless access point which only succeeds in discussing the "wireless" network connection of the piano that much more confusing.
> 
> That being said, there is one thing you can do to see if your PRC is the problem, or the Disklavier is the problem (both sides of this wireless network use a CF card to supply the wireless interface).
> 
> 1) On any computer that is somewhat close to your piano...have it search for wireless networks. Â It should absolutely find one called DKV{something or other}. Â Like DKV534ABC. Â If it sees that you can be fairly certain that the piano side of the network is just fine. Â If not, it's a pretty big clue the piano side of the network is faulty.
> 
> 2) If you leave your computer's wireless interface actually connected to the piano's wireless network (it won't have internet access, or much access at all), you can launch DKVBrowser and configure it to actually connect to the piano's wireless interface IP address. Â In effect, you will be using DKVBrowser as a wireless PRC, forcing it to use that network instead of the one it normally uses (the one that leads to the wired connection of the piano). Â That should absolute work if the first step worked...and it would prove that your PRC is faulty (or the CF card in it). Â 
> 
> -Kevin
> 
> From: athomik <mangez@...>
> To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Wednesday, October 3, 2012 9:55 AM
> Subject: Re: [disklavier] PRC-100 not connecting to Mark IV
>  
> 
> Â  
> Sorry, I didn't see your bit about the iPhone. There are no settings on the PRC-100 which would affect it's connection to the piano. You can try setting the piano to a different WiFi channel. Yamaha should be able to tell you how to do it.
> 
> athomik
> 
> On Oct 2 2012, gborrud wrote: 
> 
> >My PRC-100 stopped connecting to my Disklavier a while ago and I haven't been able to figure out what the issue is.  I've scoured message boards and manuals but can't seem to find anything that will help so I'm hoping the group might have some ideas.
> >
> >When I go to connect it just searches for the piano but never finds anything.  My Iphone app is able to find the piano so I know the networking from the piano is fine.  It has to be the PRC-100 in my mind.
> >
> >I've rebooted it.  I've looked at some of the help software on the device itself (which didn't work either).
> >
> >I feel like the most likely candidate at this point is that the wifi card has failed and needs to be replaced.  Either that - or there is something wrong with the configuration files.
> >
> >I have two small kids so when they see the PRC-100 they start looking for a game to play on it.  Who knows what they might have accidentally done to the configuration when I wasn't watching.
> >
> >Any tips on the configuration for networking?
> >Any way to restore the PRC-100 to the original settings and start over?
> >Any thoughts on how to check to see if the network card has failed.
> >
> >Thanks for any and all help.
> >Greg
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> >
> >To Post a private message to Todd Muncy, the group's founder and moderator, send it to:
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> >
> >To reach our group's web site go to:
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> >
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Re: [disklavier] Re: PRC-100 not connecting to Mark IV

2012-10-07 by Kevin Goroway

Sounds like the CF card in the piano might have gone bad.  In fact, at this point, you should probably *hope* that that is the problem. :-)

I agree with your assessment that it's mostly likely the piano side of things...and if a reboot of the piano didn't solve it, your most inexpensive solution is going to lie in that CF card.

Good luck!

________________________________
 From: gborrud <gborrud@...>
To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, October 7, 2012 2:47 PM
Subject: [disklavier] Re: PRC-100 not connecting to Mark IV

First off - thanks to everyone for their feedback.  Love how responsive and supportive this group is!

I finally had a little time to follow up on this today.  Something Kevin said in this post actually hit home.  I was mistakenly thinking that since my Iphone was working that the problem must be with the PRC-100.  But I forgot that I actually access that through a separate wireless connection (Apple Airport Express).

And when searching for wifi networks nearby I have always seen the Disklavier network (something like DKV543ABC).  But when I search for available networks near my piano now I do not see that anymore. 

So I've now changed my thinking from this being a problem with the PRC-100 to actually the piano which is no longer creating a accessible network nearby (my terminology here might not be spot on but hopefully you get the idea).

I checked the CF card on the piano and it looked fine.  It was actually still taped in place.  I removed tape.  Unplugged it and plugged it back in.  Everything looks fine and nothing appears damaged at all.

I completely rebooted the system.  That didn't seem to make a difference.

Any other ideas on why the piano might not be creating the local network?  Can I take the CF card from the PRC-100 and put it in the piano and see if that works?  It looks like there is a slot for a PC card but there is nothing in it.  I assume there is not supposed to be anything in there but maybe there is. 

Any other feedback is appreciated and thanks to all for your help!
Greg

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> Actually, the bit about the iPhone doesn't really prove much at all. Â The MarkIV has two network connections. Â The wireless one is the one that the PRC-100 uses. Â The "wired" network is the one that must be connected to use Disklavier Radio, the IPhone App, the virtual PRC, etc. Â As it turns out, many people connect this to a wireless access point which only succeeds in discussing the "wireless" network connection of the piano that much more confusing.
> 
> That being said, there is one thing you can do to see if your PRC is the problem, or the Disklavier is the problem (both sides of this wireless network use a CF card to supply the wireless interface).
> 
> 1) On any computer that is somewhat close to your piano...have it search for wireless networks. Â It should absolutely find one called DKV{something or other}. Â Like DKV534ABC. Â If it sees that you can be fairly certain that the piano side of the network is just fine. Â If not, it's a pretty big clue the piano side of the network is faulty.
> 
> 2) If you leave your computer's wireless interface actually connected to the piano's wireless network (it won't have internet access, or much access at all), you can launch DKVBrowser and configure it to actually connect to the piano's wireless interface IP address. Â In effect, you will be using DKVBrowser as a wireless PRC, forcing it to use that network instead of the one it normally uses (the one that leads to the wired connection of the piano). Â That should absolute work if the first step worked...and it would prove that your PRC is faulty (or the CF card in it). Â 
> 
> -Kevin
> 
> From: athomik <mangez@...>
> To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Wednesday, October 3, 2012 9:55 AM
> Subject: Re: [disklavier] PRC-100 not connecting to Mark IV
> 
> 
> Â  
> Sorry, I didn't see your bit about the iPhone. There are no settings on the PRC-100 which would affect it's connection to the piano. You can try setting the piano to a different WiFi channel. Yamaha should be able to tell you how to do it.
> 
> athomik
> 
> On Oct 2 2012, gborrud wrote: 
> 
> >My PRC-100 stopped connecting to my Disklavier a while ago and I haven't been able to figure out what the issue is.  I've scoured message boards and manuals but can't seem to find anything that will help so I'm hoping the group might have some ideas.
> >
> >When I go to connect it just searches for the piano but never finds anything.  My Iphone app is able to find the piano so I know the networking from the piano is fine.  It has to be the PRC-100 in my mind.
> >
> >I've rebooted it.  I've looked at some of the help software on the device itself (which didn't work either).
> >
> >I feel like the most likely candidate at this point is that the wifi card has failed and needs to be replaced.  Either that - or there is something wrong with the configuration files.
> >
> >I have two small kids so when they see the PRC-100 they start looking for a game to play on it.  Who knows what they might have accidentally done to the configuration when I wasn't watching.
> >
> >Any tips on the configuration for networking?
> >Any way to restore the PRC-100 to the original settings and start over?
> >Any thoughts on how to check to see if the network card has failed.
> >
> >Thanks for any and all help.
> >Greg
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [disklavier] Re: PRC-100 not connecting to Mark IV

2012-10-07 by athomik

Try the WiFi card from the PRC-100 in the piano and see if you can detect it as a network. If you can't, unusual as it is, chances are that you need a new motherboard. As the motherboard is ancient and even Yamaha haven't got proper circuit diagrams or parts, it will have to be a replacement circuit board.

I have been wondering if some PC geek could find a replacement, up-to-date PC motherboard? After all, the I/O Centre is just a standard (if slow and out-dated) PC running LINUX. As long as the new board has on-board video, the right connections and fits in the case, you probably bring the piano right up to date (and being LINUX, probably add extra RAM, etc and make it a lot more powerful)

athomik

On Oct 7 2012, Kevin Goroway wrote:

>Sounds like the CF card in the piano might have gone bad. Â In fact, at this point, you should probably *hope* that that is the problem. :-)
>
>I agree with your assessment that it's mostly likely the piano side of things...and if a reboot of the piano didn't solve it, your most inexpensive solution is going to lie in that CF card.
>
>Good luck!
>
>
>________________________________
> From: gborrud
>To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
>Sent: Sunday, October 7, 2012 2:47 PM
>Subject: [disklavier] Re: PRC-100 not connecting to Mark IV
>
>
>Â
>First off - thanks to everyone for their feedback. Love how responsive and supportive this group is!
>
>I finally had a little time to follow up on this today. Something Kevin said in this post actually hit home. I was mistakenly thinking that since my Iphone was working that the problem must be with the PRC-100. But I forgot that I actually access that through a separate wireless connection (Apple Airport Express).
>
>And when searching for wifi networks nearby I have always seen the Disklavier network (something like DKV543ABC). But when I search for available networks near my piano now I do not see that anymore.
>
>So I've now changed my thinking from this being a problem with the PRC-100 to actually the piano which is no longer creating a accessible network nearby (my terminology here might not be spot on but hopefully you get the idea).
>
>I checked the CF card on the piano and it looked fine. It was actually still taped in place. I removed tape. Unplugged it and plugged it back in. Everything looks fine and nothing appears damaged at all.
>
>I completely rebooted the system. That didn't seem to make a difference.
>
>Any other ideas on why the piano might not be creating the local network? Can I take the CF card from the PRC-100 and put it in the piano and see if that works? It looks like there is a slot for a PC card but there is nothing in it. I assume there is not supposed to be anything in there but maybe there is.
>
>Any other feedback is appreciated and thanks to all for your help!
>Greg
>
>--- In disklavier@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Goroway wrote:
>>
>> Actually, the bit about the iPhone doesn't really prove much at all. ÃÂ The MarkIV has two network connections. ÃÂ The wireless one is the one that the PRC-100 uses. ÃÂ The "wired" network is the one that must be connected to use Disklavier Radio, the IPhone App, the virtual PRC, etc. ÃÂ As it turns out, many people connect this to a wireless access point which only succeeds in discussing the "wireless" network connection of the piano that much more confusing.
>>
>> That being said, there is one thing you can do to see if your PRC is the problem, or the Disklavier is the problem (both sides of this wireless network use a CF card to supply the wireless interface).
>>
>> 1) On any computer that is somewhat close to your piano...have it search for wireless networks. ÃÂ It should absolutely find one called DKV{something or other}. ÃÂ ;Like DKV534ABC. ÃÂ If it sees that you can be fairly certain that the piano side of the network is just fine. ÃÂ If not, it's a pretty big clue the piano side of the network is faulty.
>>
>> 2) If you leave your computer's wireless interface actually connected to the piano's wireless network (it won't have internet access, or much access at all), you can launch DKVBrowser and configure it to actually connect to the piano's wireless interface IP address. ÃÂ In effect, you will be using DKVBrowser as a wireless PRC, forcing it to use that network instead of the one it normally uses (the one that leads to the wired connection of the piano). ÃÂ That should absolute work if the first step worked...and it would prove that your PRC is faulty (or the CF card in it). ÃÂ
>>
>> -Kevin
>>;
>> From: athomik
>> To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 3, 2012 9:55 AM
>> Subject: Re: [disklavier] PRC-100 not connecting to Mark IV
>>
>>
>> ÃÂ
>> Sorry, I didn't see your bit about the iPhone. There are no settings on the PRC-100 which would affect it's connection to the piano. You can try setting the piano to a different WiFi channel. Yamaha should be able to tell you how to do it.
>>
>> athomik
>>
>> On Oct 2 2012, gborrud wrote:
>>
>> >My PRC-100 stopped connecting to my Disklavier a while ago and I haven't been able to figure out what the issue is. I've scoured message boards and manuals but can't seem to find anything that will help so I'm hoping the group might have some ideas.
>> >
>> >When I go to connect it just searches for the piano but never finds anything. My Iphone app is able to find the piano so I know the networking from the piano is fine. It has to be the PRC-100 in my mind.
>> >
>> >I've rebooted it. I've looked at some of the help software on the device itself (which didn't work either).
>> >
>> >I feel like the most likely candidate at this point is that the wifi card has failed and needs to be replaced. Either that - or there is something wrong with the configuration files.
>> >
>> >I have two small kids so when they see the PRC-100 they start looking for a game to play on it. Who knows what they might have accidentally done to the configuration when I wasn't watching.
>> >
>> >Any tips on the configuration for networking?
>> >Any way to restore the PRC-100 to the original settings and start over?
>> >Any thoughts on how to check to see if the network card has failed.
>> >
>> >Thanks for any and all help.
>> >Greg
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >------------------------------------
>> >
>> >To Post a message to the group, send it to: disklavier@...
>> >
>> >To Post a private message to Todd Muncy, the group's founder and moderator, send it to:
>> >disklavier-owner@...
>> >
>> >To reach our group's web site go to:
>> >http://Yahoogroups.com/group/disklavier
>> >
>> >THINKING OF LEAVING THE GROUP?
>> >If you are thinking of unsubcribing because you are getting too much mail, go the the web site and change your email delivery option instead. That will fix the problem, while maintaining your access to the group. If you insist on leaving us completely send a blank email to:
>> >disklavier-unsubscribe@...
>>; >
>> >Know someone who wants to join? Have them send a blank email to:
>> >disklavier-subscribe@... or give them this link:
>> >http://Yahoogroups.com/group/disklavier/join
>> >Yahoo! Groups Links
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
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>

Re: [disklavier] Re: PRC-100 not connecting to Mark IV

2012-10-07 by athomik

Exept for the original,'Yamaha' branded cards, the CF cards rarely go wrong. You could always try an Ambicom or similar card from Amazon or eBay (probably around USD15.00-20.00)

athomik

On Oct 7 2012, Kevin Goroway wrote:

>Sounds like the CF card in the piano might have gone bad. Â In fact, at this point, you should probably *hope* that that is the problem. :-)
>
>I agree with your assessment that it's mostly likely the piano side of things...and if a reboot of the piano didn't solve it, your most inexpensive solution is going to lie in that CF card.
>
>Good luck!
>
>
>________________________________
> From: gborrud
>To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
>Sent: Sunday, October 7, 2012 2:47 PM
>Subject: [disklavier] Re: PRC-100 not connecting to Mark IV
>
>
>Â
>First off - thanks to everyone for their feedback. Love how responsive and supportive this group is!
>
>I finally had a little time to follow up on this today. Something Kevin said in this post actually hit home. I was mistakenly thinking that since my Iphone was working that the problem must be with the PRC-100. But I forgot that I actually access that through a separate wireless connection (Apple Airport Express).
>
>And when searching for wifi networks nearby I have always seen the Disklavier network (something like DKV543ABC). But when I search for available networks near my piano now I do not see that anymore.
>
>So I've now changed my thinking from this being a problem with the PRC-100 to actually the piano which is no longer creating a accessible network nearby (my terminology here might not be spot on but hopefully you get the idea).
>
>I checked the CF card on the piano and it looked fine. It was actually still taped in place. I removed tape. Unplugged it and plugged it back in. Everything looks fine and nothing appears damaged at all.
>
>I completely rebooted the system. That didn't seem to make a difference.
>
>Any other ideas on why the piano might not be creating the local network? Can I take the CF card from the PRC-100 and put it in the piano and see if that works? It looks like there is a slot for a PC card but there is nothing in it. I assume there is not supposed to be anything in there but maybe there is.
>
>Any other feedback is appreciated and thanks to all for your help!
>Greg
>
>--- In disklavier@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Goroway wrote:
>>
>> Actually, the bit about the iPhone doesn't really prove much at all. ÃÂ The MarkIV has two network connections. ÃÂ The wireless one is the one that the PRC-100 uses. ÃÂ The "wired" network is the one that must be connected to use Disklavier Radio, the IPhone App, the virtual PRC, etc. ÃÂ As it turns out, many people connect this to a wireless access point which only succeeds in discussing the "wireless" network connection of the piano that much more confusing.
>>
>> That being said, there is one thing you can do to see if your PRC is the problem, or the Disklavier is the problem (both sides of this wireless network use a CF card to supply the wireless interface).
>>
>> 1) On any computer that is somewhat close to your piano...have it search for wireless networks. ÃÂ It should absolutely find one called DKV{something or other}. ÃÂ Like DKV534ABC. ÃÂ If it sees that you can be fairly certain that the piano side of the network is just fine. ÃÂ If not, it's a pretty big clue the piano side of the network is faulty.
>>
>> 2) If you leave your computer's wireless interface actually connected to the piano's wireless network (it won't have internet access, or much access at all), you can launch DKVBrowser and configure it to actually connect to the piano's wireless interface IP address. ÃÂ In effect, you will be using DKVBrowser as a wireless PRC, forcing it to use that network instead of the one it normally uses (the one that leads to the wired connection of the piano). ÃÂ That should absolute work if the first step worked...and it would prove that your PRC is faulty (or the CF card in it). ÃÂ
>>
>> -Kevin
>>
>> From: athomik
>> To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 3, 2012 9:55 AM
>> Subject: Re: [disklavier] PRC-100 not connecting to Mark IV
>>
>>
>> ÃÂ
>> Sorry, I didn't see your bit about the iPhone. There are no settings on the PRC-100 which would affect it's connection to the piano. You can try setting the piano to a different WiFi channel. Yamaha should be able to tell you how to do it.
>>
>> athomik
>>
>> On Oct 2 2012, gborrud wrote:
>>
>> >My PRC-100 stopped connecting to my Disklavier a while ago and I haven't been able to figure out what the issue is. I've scoured message boards and manuals but can't seem to find anything that will help so I'm hoping the group might have some ideas.
>> >
>> >When I go to connect it just searches for the piano but never finds anything. My Iphone app is able to find the piano so I know the networking from the piano is fine. It has to be the PRC-100 in my mind.
>> >
>> >I've rebooted it. I've looked at some of the help software on the device itself (which didn't work either).
>> >
>> >I feel like the most likely candidate at this point is that the wifi card has failed and needs to be replaced. Either that - or there is something wrong with the configuration files.
>> >
>> >I have two small kids so when they see the PRC-100 they start looking for a game to play on it. Who knows what they might have accidentally done to the configuration when I wasn't watching.
>> >
>> >Any tips on the configuration for networking?
>>; >Any way to restore the PRC-100 to the original settings and start over?
>> >Any thoughts on how to check to see if the network card has failed.
>> >
>> >Thanks for any and all help.
>> >Greg
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >------------------------------------
>> >
>> >To Post a message to the group, send it to: disklavier@...
>> >
>> >To Post a private message to Todd Muncy, the group's founder and moderator, send it to:
>> >disklavier-owner@...
>> >
>> >To reach our group's web site go to:
>> >http://Yahoogroups.com/group/disklavier
>> >
>> >THINKING OF LEAVING THE GROUP?
>> >If you are thinking of unsubcribing because you are getting too much mail, go the the web site and change your email delivery option instead. That will fix the problem, while maintaining your access to the group. If you insist on leaving us completely send a blank email to:
>> >disklavier-unsubscribe@...
>> >
>> >;Know someone who wants to join? Have them send a blank email to:
>> >disklavier-subscribe@... or give them this link:
>> >http://Yahoogroups.com/group/disklavier/join
>> >Yahoo! Groups Links
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
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