Dotcomformat

Hello to All,

Well I would like to start everyone thinking about custom panels for 
their .Com system. I have Blacet, Oakley and MOTM mixed in my system 
and I would like to hear if anyone would have interest creating 
custom panels. I know we talked about this six months ago but I would 
like to get something started to cut the cost. I already have a Time 
machine panel on order from good old Uncle Larry ;-)  I have the 
following that I need panels for: Blacet VC-ASDR, Final Filtre, 
Oakley VC-LFO, Equinoxe, Little-Lag, MultiMix, Sample and Hold, MOTM 
120, 380, 410, 440, 485.

Scott

Larry,

Great news! 

What did you mean by: "In fact, the MOTM panels should be 
bolt and unbolt." my brain is not fully awake.

BTW did you hear anything from PAIA about the Ribbon 
Controller? I emailed them last month for more info and to 
see if they would supply a longer conductive ribbon but I 
never received a response.

Scott
--- In dotcomformat@yahoogroups.com, Larry Hendry <hendrysr@y...> 
wrote:
> Old uncle Larry will have the Time Machine panels in his hands 
today.
>  YES! Finally.  Hopefully if everyone is happy with these, we can
> work out more designs.  We have over 80 designs in productions right
> now, but only 3 of them are currently in the dot com format.  And,
> due to the fixed cost of setting up a screen and such, it is much
> chpeaer per unit, if you have at least 3 or 4 instead of just one. 
> They keep getting cheaper up through about 20.
> 
> I have had many requests for MOTM filters and Blacet products.  Both
> can be great compliments to fill in the blanks in Dot Com land like
> has been done in MOTM land.  In fact, the MOTM panels should be bolt
> and unbolt.  But for those not wanting to do any work, I am working
> on a deal with Paul S. to have him do the entire build but use the
> dot com style panel instead for those that want to buy them that 
way.

> 
> Sorry, I did not mean to sound like an advertisement.  But, Scott
> brought it up. :-)
> 
> Larry H.  I'll shut up now.
> 
> --- spfeifer <scottp@e...> wrote:
> 
> > Hello to All,
> > 
> > Well I would like to start everyone thinking about custom panels
> > for 
> > their .Com system. I have Blacet, Oakley and MOTM mixed in my
> > system 
> > and I would like to hear if anyone would have interest creating 
> > custom panels. I know we talked about this six months ago but I
> > would 
> > like to get something started to cut the cost. I already have a
> > Time 
> > machine panel on order from good old Uncle Larry ;-)  I have the 
> > following that I need panels for: Blacet VC-ASDR, Final Filtre, 
> > Oakley VC-LFO, Equinoxe, Little-Lag, MultiMix, Sample and Hold,
> > MOTM 
> > 120, 380, 410, 440, 485.
> > 
> > Scott
> 
> 
> 
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Old uncle Larry will have the Time Machine panels in his hands today.
 YES! Finally.  Hopefully if everyone is happy with these, we can
work out more designs.  We have over 80 designs in productions right
now, but only 3 of them are currently in the dot com format.  And,
due to the fixed cost of setting up a screen and such, it is much
chpeaer per unit, if you have at least 3 or 4 instead of just one. 
They keep getting cheaper up through about 20.

I have had many requests for MOTM filters and Blacet products.  Both
can be great compliments to fill in the blanks in Dot Com land like
has been done in MOTM land.  In fact, the MOTM panels should be bolt
and unbolt.  But for those not wanting to do any work, I am working
on a deal with Paul S. to have him do the entire build but use the
dot com style panel instead for those that want to buy them that way.

Sorry, I did not mean to sound like an advertisement.  But, Scott
brought it up. :-)

Larry H.  I'll shut up now.

--- spfeifer <scottp@enteract.com> wrote:

> Hello to All,
> 
> Well I would like to start everyone thinking about custom panels
> for 
> their .Com system. I have Blacet, Oakley and MOTM mixed in my
> system 
> and I would like to hear if anyone would have interest creating 
> custom panels. I know we talked about this six months ago but I
> would 
> like to get something started to cut the cost. I already have a
> Time 
> machine panel on order from good old Uncle Larry ;-)  I have the 
> following that I need panels for: Blacet VC-ASDR, Final Filtre, 
> Oakley VC-LFO, Equinoxe, Little-Lag, MultiMix, Sample and Hold,
> MOTM 
> 120, 380, 410, 440, 485.
> 
> Scott



		
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Scott--

It seems like you might be better off also having an MOTM format rack.  Additionally, several of
the non-MOTM modules you mentioned already have great MOTM designs from the Stooges.

Dana has choosen to follow this route I believe.

Just a thought...

--Todd

> Well I would like to start everyone thinking about custom panels for 
> their .Com system. I have Blacet, Oakley and MOTM mixed in my system 
> and I would like to hear if anyone would have interest creating 
> custom panels. I know we talked about this six months ago but I would 
> like to get something started to cut the cost. I already have a Time 
> machine panel on order from good old Uncle Larry ;-)  I have the 
> following that I need panels for: Blacet VC-ASDR, Final Filtre, 
> Oakley VC-LFO, Equinoxe, Little-Lag, MultiMix, Sample and Hold, MOTM 
> 120, 380, 410, 440, 485.


	
		
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Hi John,

I just want to mention that I have a decent sized dotcom, but I 
really had to add some of the cool MOTM filters to my setup. 

http://danacountryman.com/Studio9_1_04.jpg

I have three of them, so far. They each have their own unique 
personality that I couldn't get with the dotcom filters.
I'm also in the process of retrofitting my Moogerfooger Lo-Pass 
filter into dotcom panel format, thanks to the Stooge Boys.

You'll love your dotcom, and it's not that hard to add other maker's 
products in, for more flexibility.

Onward,

- Dana 

http://www.danacountryman.com

--- In dotcomformat@yahoogroups.com, jkn@j... wrote:
> 
> Ha - advert or not I'm glad you posted it.  One of my biggest 
issues is I
> want my modular more for sound shaping/mangling/etc than as an 
actual
> synth (although I want that too... I want everything... I'm selfish 
that
> way... ;-)
> 
> I love just about everything about the dotcom that I've read and am 
happy
> with my decision to go this route when I get to the point where I 
order
> (no - I don't own one yet, a couple months out yet before 
the "first"
> order).    What excites me about MOTM is the variety of filters.   
I'm not
> really hung up on the sealed pots and best of everything approach 
(though
> I certainly respect everyone who wants that) - the cost difference 
between
> MOTM and dotcom is substantial.   However, when I get my dotcom to a
> certain point - I know I'll want to add at least couple of the MOTM
> filters and possibly other modules - and the possibility of getting 
them
> in dotcom format is just perfection.   Hopefully, by the time I'm 
ready to
> add those, all the groundwork will be in place.  :-)
> 
> Honestly, between the dotcom and MOTM lists - I've had more fun 
thinking
> about gear and synths the last few months (and planning out what I 
want to
> get and what I want to do with it) than I have with music in a long 
time. 
>  Between integrating a patchbay into my studio (yes, believe it or 
not - I
> don't have one...) and planning the modular - this has been a 
potentially
> expensive year!   I rarely add gear - this year has been an 
exception - I
> added a pair of Mackie monitor's earlier as well.
> 
> I'll quit rambling...
> 
> John K-N
> 
> 
> > Old uncle Larry will have the Time Machine panels in his hands 
today.
> >  YES! Finally.  Hopefully if everyone is happy with these, we can
> > work out more designs.  We have over 80 designs in productions 
right
> > now, but only 3 of them are currently in the dot com format.  And,
> > due to the fixed cost of setting up a screen and such, it is much
> > chpeaer per unit, if you have at least 3 or 4 instead of just one.
> > They keep getting cheaper up through about 20.
> >
> > I have had many requests for MOTM filters and Blacet products.  
Both
> > can be great compliments to fill in the blanks in Dot Com land 
like
> > has been done in MOTM land.  In fact, the MOTM panels should be 
bolt
> > and unbolt.  But for those not wanting to do any work, I am 
working
> > on a deal with Paul S. to have him do the entire build but use the
> > dot com style panel instead for those that want to buy them that 
way.

> >
> > Sorry, I did not mean to sound like an advertisement.  But, Scott
> > brought it up. :-)
> >
> > Larry H.  I'll shut up now.
> >

Ha - advert or not I'm glad you posted it.  One of my biggest issues is I
want my modular more for sound shaping/mangling/etc than as an actual
synth (although I want that too... I want everything... I'm selfish that
way... ;-)

I love just about everything about the dotcom that I've read and am happy
with my decision to go this route when I get to the point where I order
(no - I don't own one yet, a couple months out yet before the "first"
order).    What excites me about MOTM is the variety of filters.   I'm not
really hung up on the sealed pots and best of everything approach (though
I certainly respect everyone who wants that) - the cost difference between
MOTM and dotcom is substantial.   However, when I get my dotcom to a
certain point - I know I'll want to add at least couple of the MOTM
filters and possibly other modules - and the possibility of getting them
in dotcom format is just perfection.   Hopefully, by the time I'm ready to
add those, all the groundwork will be in place.  :-)

Honestly, between the dotcom and MOTM lists - I've had more fun thinking
about gear and synths the last few months (and planning out what I want to
get and what I want to do with it) than I have with music in a long time. 
 Between integrating a patchbay into my studio (yes, believe it or not - I
don't have one...) and planning the modular - this has been a potentially
expensive year!   I rarely add gear - this year has been an exception - I
added a pair of Mackie monitor's earlier as well.

I'll quit rambling...

John K-N

> Old uncle Larry will have the Time Machine panels in his hands today.
>  YES! Finally.  Hopefully if everyone is happy with these, we can
> work out more designs.  We have over 80 designs in productions right
> now, but only 3 of them are currently in the dot com format.  And,
> due to the fixed cost of setting up a screen and such, it is much
> chpeaer per unit, if you have at least 3 or 4 instead of just one.
> They keep getting cheaper up through about 20.
>
> I have had many requests for MOTM filters and Blacet products.  Both
> can be great compliments to fill in the blanks in Dot Com land like
> has been done in MOTM land.  In fact, the MOTM panels should be bolt
> and unbolt.  But for those not wanting to do any work, I am working
> on a deal with Paul S. to have him do the entire build but use the
> dot com style panel instead for those that want to buy them that way.
>
> Sorry, I did not mean to sound like an advertisement.  But, Scott
> brought it up. :-)
>
> Larry H.  I'll shut up now.
>

--- spfeifer <scottp@enteract.com> wrote:
> What did you mean by: "In fact, the MOTM panels should be 
> bolt and unbolt." my brain is not fully awake.

If you already had a MOTM-filter, you should be able to unbolt from
the MOTM panel and bolt up to the future planned dot com module.  The
pot layout will be the same so they can stay on board.  The jacks of
course, can go just about anywhere.

> BTW did you hear anything from PAIA about the Ribbon 
> Controller? I emailed them last month for more info and to 
> see if they would supply a longer conductive ribbon but I 
> never received a response.

Yes, I went ahead and placed my order.  I don;t care about the ribbon
element.  I have the Doepref ribbon I plan to use.  And, I have a 4
foot piece of other stuff if I want to make one.

Larry


		
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--- jkn@johei.com wrote:
> One of my biggest issues is I want my modular more for sound
shaping/mangling/etc than as an actual synth (although I want that
too... I want everything... I'm selfish that way... ;-)

In the very near future, A Waveshaping module will be available in
dot com format.  It is a test marketing of 12 modules.  teh PCBs are
built.  Now, that I have panels, the remaining assembly will begin in
a couple of weeks.
 
> I love just about everything about the dotcom that I've read and am
> happy with my decision to go this route

Many people are.  Rooger delivers a hell of a lot of value for the
price.  The main reason I do not personally use it is that I like to
build my own.  So, MOTM fits me personally a little better.

> What excites me about MOTM is the variety of filters.  

That is indeed a major advantage Paul has over most everyone.  My
favorite is the MOTM-440 LPf filter.  It is the best LPF I have ever
used. 

> I'm not really hung up on the sealed pots and best of everything
approach (though I certainly respect everyone who wants that)

Different strokes for different folks. :-)  Both approaches are
valid.

> ... when I get my dotcom to a certain point - I know I'll want to
add at least couple of the MOTM filters and possibly other modules -
and the possibility of getting them in dotcom format is just
perfection.   Hopefully, by the time I'm ready to add those, all the
groundwork will be in place.  :-)

I am planning to put that in place for our first delivery of 2005.

> Honestly, between the dotcom and MOTM lists - I've had more fun
thinking about gear and synths the last few months (and planning out
what I want to get and what I want to do with it) than I have with
music in a long time. 

If it suppposed to be fun.  Those that want to flame this and that
just don't understand.  It's all about fun and for some folks making
a living (not me thank goodness).

Larry H


	
		
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Yes I'am. The one panel that Larry did for a few of us, the Blacet TM 
duplicates the .Com format.

 
--- In dotcomformat@yahoogroups.com, Terje Winther <terjewi@n...> 
wrote:
> Hi Scott,
> Are you talking about making s.com front panels for these modules 
> that dublicates the s.com form format - spacing, graphics and all? 
If 
> so, that would be interesting.
> 
> 
> >Well I would like to start everyone thinking about custom panels 
for
> >their .Com system. I have Blacet, Oakley and MOTM mixed in my 
system
> >and I would like to hear if anyone would have interest creating
> >custom panels. I know we talked about this six months ago but I 
would
> >like to get something started to cut the cost. I already have a 
Time
> >machine panel on order from good old Uncle Larry ;-)  I have the
> >following that I need panels for: Blacet VC-ASDR, Final Filtre,
> >Oakley VC-LFO, Equinoxe, Little-Lag, MultiMix, Sample and Hold, 
MOTM

> >120, 380, 410, 440, 485.
> 
> 
> -- 
> tw.  :)

Hi Scott,
Are you talking about making s.com front panels for these modules 
that dublicates the s.com form format - spacing, graphics and all? If 
so, that would be interesting.


>Well I would like to start everyone thinking about custom panels for
>their .Com system. I have Blacet, Oakley and MOTM mixed in my system
>and I would like to hear if anyone would have interest creating
>custom panels. I know we talked about this six months ago but I would
>like to get something started to cut the cost. I already have a Time
>machine panel on order from good old Uncle Larry ;-)  I have the
>following that I need panels for: Blacet VC-ASDR, Final Filtre,
>Oakley VC-LFO, Equinoxe, Little-Lag, MultiMix, Sample and Hold, MOTM
>120, 380, 410, 440, 485.


-- 
tw.  :)

A couple of thoughts on the subject:

There is certainly a standard dot com font, tick mark set and general
layout feel that can be followed.  However, there is no standard for
dot com component spacing.  That stuff is all over the map depending
on which module is being used.  So, a spacing between pots that
supports the conversion is needed.  In most cases that is 1.625"
which is about the middle of the range for normal dot com stuff. In
the case of MOTM conversion, that allows the pots to stay ON the PCB
making for a better conversion.

The process goes like this.  We add panels like this to our line up
as people request them.  Then, we do a "draft" or two of how we think
it ought to look and let people comment on it until a concensus can
be reached (among those buying of course).  Jay participated in a
just for fun discussion like this on TGS and as I remember had a
pretty well thought out layout for the Blacet VCEG.

In some cases, we have made two different panels for the same circuit
because that is what people wanted.  But, the more people that buy
from the same demand, the lower the price.

Larry H

--- spfeifer <scottp@enteract.com> wrote:
> Yes I'am. The one panel that Larry did for a few of us, the Blacet
> TM duplicates the .Com format.

> --- In dotcomformat@yahoogroups.com, Terje Winther <terjewi@n...> 
> wrote:
> > Hi Scott,
> > Are you talking about making s.com front panels for these modules
> > that dublicates the s.com form format - spacing, graphics and
> > all? If so, that would be interesting.




		
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--- In dotcomformat@yahoogroups.com, Larry Hendry <hendrysr@y...> wrote:

> Jay participated in a
> just for fun discussion like this on TGS and as I remember had a
> pretty well thought out layout for the Blacet VCEG.

BTW, I've uploaded the layout to the Files section. Its in CorelDraw 8
format. The font for the "Blacet" text might not show up correctly.
The font sizes, line thicknesses, and knob legends all match DotCom
perfectly. You should be able to copy/past the different elements
around to make a new panel design.