Elektron Musical Instruments

Hello.  I am thinking about buying the MonoMachine.  However, I'd love to know what the 
drums sounds on it sound like.  The elektron site is very thin in this area.  What drum 
machines are they based on?  Elektron said they are based on the Machinedrum's E12 
machine...but I have no idea what that sounds like.  Out of the 24 sounds, how many are 
bass and snare sounds?  What are the other sounds?  How tweakable are the sounds? 

Elektron seems very timid in answering any questions about the drums on this machine.  
While I understand they are not the focus of this machine, they will come in handy.  I do 
not want the MachineDrum only (I want the Sid and FM) and I cannot afford both.  Can 
someone post a beat using only the drum sounds from the MonoMachine...one that 
utilizes all of the sounds including the snares?

Thank you for your time.  JSRockit

On Feb 17, 2005, at 7:42 PM, taco6 wrote:

>  What drum
>  machines are they based on?  Elektron said they are based on the 
> Machinedrum's E12
>  machine...but I have no idea what that sounds like.

check the machinedrum.com mp3's of the e12 machines.  that might give 
you some idea.
basically, they're pretty realistic sounding drums, kind of hip-hop-ish 
(in my opinion).

>   Out of the 24 sounds, how many are
>  bass and snare sounds?  What are the other sounds?  How tweakable are 
> the sounds?

they are samples, after all.  so they're not incredibly tweakable in 
the way that the MD
drums are (since those are synthesized).  but there's still a lot of 
mileage you can get out
of them.  the synthesis page in the MnM only allows for retriggering 
(makes a "stuttering"
sound or drum roll sound) as well as pitch up/down plus sample start 
time.  but then
you have to remember that you also have an excellent filter, delay 
section and LFO's.  so
you can do quite a lot with them.

of the 24 sounds, I think there's kick/snare/hats/ht/mt/lt and then 
percussion from there
on up.  so every two octaves have the same sounds mapped to them, but 
pitched up
or down by the octave shift.

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I will post a few demonstrations of the BeatBox to elektron-users.com in 
a little bit.

/Scott

taco6 wrote:

>
>Hello.  I am thinking about buying the MonoMachine.  However, I'd love to know what the 
>drums sounds on it sound like.  The elektron site is very thin in this area.  What drum 
>machines are they based on?  Elektron said they are based on the Machinedrum's E12 
>machine...but I have no idea what that sounds like.  Out of the 24 sounds, how many are 
>bass and snare sounds?  What are the other sounds?  How tweakable are the sounds? 
>
>Elektron seems very timid in answering any questions about the drums on this machine.  
>While I understand they are not the focus of this machine, they will come in handy.  I do 
>not want the MachineDrum only (I want the Sid and FM) and I cannot afford both.  Can 
>someone post a beat using only the drum sounds from the MonoMachine...one that 
>utilizes all of the sounds including the snares?
>
>Thank you for your time.  JSRockit
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>Yahoo! Groups Links
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If you use the filters on the drum sounds you can get
a wide range of sounds from the monomachine. also you
can the lfos to them and get even more sounds. 

The monomachine is an awesome synth/beatbox machine
but don't expect it to sound anything like the
machinedrum. Just my two cents ;)

Auto


--- Scott Kellogg <glaive@...> wrote:

> I will post a few demonstrations of the BeatBox to
> elektron-users.com in 
> a little bit.
> 
> /Scott
> 
> taco6 wrote:
> 
> >
> >Hello.  I am thinking about buying the MonoMachine.
>  However, I'd love to know what the 
> >drums sounds on it sound like.  The elektron site
> is very thin in this area.  What drum 
> >machines are they based on?  Elektron said they are
> based on the Machinedrum's E12 
> >machine...but I have no idea what that sounds like.
>  Out of the 24 sounds, how many are 
> >bass and snare sounds?  What are the other sounds? 
> How tweakable are the sounds? 
> >
> >Elektron seems very timid in answering any
> questions about the drums on this machine.  
> >While I understand they are not the focus of this
> machine, they will come in handy.  I do 
> >not want the MachineDrum only (I want the Sid and
> FM) and I cannot afford both.  Can 
> >someone post a beat using only the drum sounds from
> the MonoMachine...one that 
> >utilizes all of the sounds including the snares?
> >
> >Thank you for your time.  JSRockit
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > 
> >Yahoo! Groups Links
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I'd go so far as to say don't expect to sound like anything else!

/Scott

>The monomachine is an awesome synth/beatbox machine
>but don't expect it to sound anything like the
>machinedrum. Just my two cents ;)
>
>Auto
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On Sat, Feb 19, 2005 at 02:33:53PM -0500, Scott Kellogg wrote:
> 
> I'd go so far as to say don't expect to sound like anything else!
> 
> /Scott

as above.

the real trick in the next couple years will be to make tracks that
don't have MONOMACHINE written all over them in big red,
amber and green letters.  it's that distinctive a sound.


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think of yourself as a robotic freak once you get one.
sounds you never thought you could get out of any
other machine. ;)


--- Scott Kellogg <glaive@...> wrote:

> I'd go so far as to say don't expect to sound like
> anything else!
> 
> /Scott
> 
> >The monomachine is an awesome synth/beatbox machine
> >but don't expect it to sound anything like the
> >machinedrum. Just my two cents ;)
> >
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Please do...I would appreciate it.  Where on the site will you post them?


--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, Scott Kellogg <glaive@g...> wrote:
> I will post a few demonstrations of the BeatBox to elektron-users.com in 
> a little bit.
> 
> /Scott
> 
> taco6 wrote:
> 
> >
> >Hello.  I am thinking about buying the MonoMachine.  However, I'd love to know 
what the 
> >drums sounds on it sound like.  The elektron site is very thin in this area.  What 
drum 
> >machines are they based on?  Elektron said they are based on the Machinedrum's 
E12 
> >machine...but I have no idea what that sounds like.  Out of the 24 sounds, how 
many are 
> >bass and snare sounds?  What are the other sounds?  How tweakable are the 
sounds? 
> >
> >Elektron seems very timid in answering any questions about the drums on this 
machine.  
> >While I understand they are not the focus of this machine, they will come in 
handy.  I do 
> >not want the MachineDrum only (I want the Sid and FM) and I cannot afford both.  
Can 
> >someone post a beat using only the drum sounds from the MonoMachine...one 
that 

> >utilizes all of the sounds including the snares?
> >
> >Thank you for your time.  JSRockit
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > 
> >Yahoo! Groups Links
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> >
> > 
> >
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> >  
> >

I understand the drums cannot compete with the MachineDrum, but I just want to 
know if they are useful in their own right.   It sounds like you can make them usable.  
I find the MonoMachine more interesting if you can only buy one.  Maybe later I will 
buy the MachineDrum.  I'd love to hear the drum sounds.

--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, Automatic Panic <thesoundzoneinfo@y...> 
wrote:

> If you use the filters on the drum sounds you can get
> a wide range of sounds from the monomachine. also you
> can the lfos to them and get even more sounds. 
> 
> The monomachine is an awesome synth/beatbox machine
> but don't expect it to sound anything like the
> machinedrum. Just my two cents ;)
> 
> Auto
> 
> 
> --- Scott Kellogg <glaive@g...> wrote:
> 
> > I will post a few demonstrations of the BeatBox to
> > elektron-users.com in 
> > a little bit.
> > 
> > /Scott
> > 
> > taco6 wrote:
> > 
> > >
> > >Hello.  I am thinking about buying the MonoMachine.
> >  However, I'd love to know what the 
> > >drums sounds on it sound like.  The elektron site
> > is very thin in this area.  What drum 
> > >machines are they based on?  Elektron said they are
> > based on the Machinedrum's E12 
> > >machine...but I have no idea what that sounds like.
> >  Out of the 24 sounds, how many are 
> > >bass and snare sounds?  What are the other sounds? 
> > How tweakable are the sounds? 
> > >
> > >Elektron seems very timid in answering any
> > questions about the drums on this machine.  
> > >While I understand they are not the focus of this
> > machine, they will come in handy.  I do 
> > >not want the MachineDrum only (I want the Sid and
> > FM) and I cannot afford both.  Can 
> > >someone post a beat using only the drum sounds from
> > the MonoMachine...one that 
> > >utilizes all of the sounds including the snares?
> > >
> > >Thank you for your time.  JSRockit
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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> > > 
> > >Yahoo! Groups Links
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--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, Joseph Melnyk <jmelnyk@c...> wrote:

> check the machinedrum.com mp3's of the e12 machines.  that might give 
> you some idea.
> basically, they're pretty realistic sounding drums, kind of hip-hop-ish 
> (in my opinion).
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Well, I will be making hip-hop influenced stuff with this...so that is good.  However, I 
could not find anywhere on the machinedrum.com website where they break down 
the sounds based on the machines.  They do that for the MonoMachine...but not the 
machinedrum...and the Monomachine does not really get into the drum sounds.  
Especially the snares.

taco,

the drums are ok, and can be useful, but if you're going to be making 
anything at all drum-oriented it will be either "really cool" for you 
or not very cool at all.  No matter how you slice it you're working 
with, what, 24 *short* samples that can be tweaked, but not in the same 
variety of ways that one could tweak the same sample in a sampler or 
software sampler.

Also remember that the drum sample generator (i don't want to be 
confusing by saying "drum machine") on the MnM is MONOPHONIC.  so if 
you want to have more than one drum hitting simultaneously, you have to 
add a second monophonic machine.  I think for some, this leads to some 
neat sounds... but if you just want to make a 'regular' drum track, 
you're going to need some other source.

I would definitely try to find a MnM and a MD in person to play with 
before making your decision.  I've got both.  If I had to choose 
between the two, the MD would stay - but that's just me, and currently 
I don't have to make that choice.

I won't be redundant posting what Scott says he's going to make, but 
should he not post it soon just pop another mail up and I'll make a 
short recording with a single trigger of each sample.

On Feb 19, 2005, at 8:25 PM, taco6 wrote:

>
>
> --- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, Joseph Melnyk <jmelnyk@c...> 
> wrote:
>
>> check the machinedrum.com mp3's of the e12 machines.  that might give
>> you some idea.
>> basically, they're pretty realistic sounding drums, kind of 
>> hip-hop-ish
>> (in my opinion).
>>
>>
>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
> Well, I will be making hip-hop influenced stuff with this...so that is 
> good.  However, I
> could not find anywhere on the machinedrum.com website where they 
> break down
> the sounds based on the machines.  They do that for the 
> MonoMachine...but not the
> machinedrum...and the Monomachine does not really get into the drum 
> sounds.
> Especially the snares.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Something is malfunctioning at elektron-users.com for file uploads.  
I'll get it fixed ASAP. 

I've put the BeatBox examples at http://www.glaive.org/mp3/. 
BeatBox 1, 2, and 4 are BeatBox + Reverb ( 2 tracks).
BeatBox 3 is 2 BeatBox Tracks, and 1 Dynamix (compressor) track.

Enjoy!

/Scott

taco6 wrote:

>Please do...I would appreciate it.  Where on the site will you post them?
>
>
>--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, Scott Kellogg <glaive@g...> wrote:
>  
>
>>I will post a few demonstrations of the BeatBox to elektron-users.com in 
>>a little bit.
>>
>>/Scott
>>
>>taco6 wrote:
>>
>>    
>>
>>>Hello.  I am thinking about buying the MonoMachine.  However, I'd love to know 
>>>      
>>>
>what the 
>  
>
>>>drums sounds on it sound like.  The elektron site is very thin in this area.  What 
>>>      
>>>
>drum 
>  
>
>>>machines are they based on?  Elektron said they are based on the Machinedrum's 
>>>      
>>>
>E12 
>  
>
>>>machine...but I have no idea what that sounds like.  Out of the 24 sounds, how 
>>>      
>>>
>many are 
>  
>
>>>bass and snare sounds?  What are the other sounds?  How tweakable are the 
>>>      
>>>
>sounds? 
>  
>
>>>Elektron seems very timid in answering any questions about the drums on this 
>>>      
>>>
>machine.  
>  
>
>>>While I understand they are not the focus of this machine, they will come in 
>>>      
>>>
>handy.  I do 
>  
>
>>>not want the MachineDrum only (I want the Sid and FM) and I cannot afford both.  
>>>      
>>>
>Can 
>  
>
>>>someone post a beat using only the drum sounds from the MonoMachine...one 
>>>      
>>>
>that 
>  
>
>>>utilizes all of the sounds including the snares?
>>>
>>>Thank you for your time.  JSRockit
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Yahoo! Groups Links
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>>      
>>>
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>Yahoo! Groups Links
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>

You could also download the OS updates on the Elektron sites.  They
include the manuals so you can see a little bit more.  Go to
monomachine> support or machinedrum> support.

--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "taco6" <taco6@y...> wrote:
> 
> 
> Hello.  I am thinking about buying the MonoMachine.  However, I'd
love to know what the 
> drums sounds on it sound like.  The elektron site is very thin in
this area.  What drum 
> machines are they based on?  Elektron said they are based on the
Machinedrum's E12 
> machine...but I have no idea what that sounds like.  Out of the 24
sounds, how many are 
> bass and snare sounds?  What are the other sounds?  How tweakable
are the sounds? 
> 
> Elektron seems very timid in answering any questions about the drums
on this machine.  
> While I understand they are not the focus of this machine, they will
come in handy.  I do 
> not want the MachineDrum only (I want the Sid and FM) and I cannot
afford both.  Can 
> someone post a beat using only the drum sounds from the
MonoMachine...one that 

> utilizes all of the sounds including the snares?
> 
> Thank you for your time.  JSRockit

Great... thank you so much.

--- Scott Kellogg <glaive@...> wrote:

> Something is malfunctioning at elektron-users.com
> for file uploads.  
> I'll get it fixed ASAP. 
> 
> I've put the BeatBox examples at
> http://www.glaive.org/mp3/. 
> BeatBox 1, 2, and 4 are BeatBox + Reverb ( 2
> tracks).
> BeatBox 3 is 2 BeatBox Tracks, and 1 Dynamix
> (compressor) track.
> 
> Enjoy!
> 
> /Scott
> 
> taco6 wrote:
> 
> >Please do...I would appreciate it.  Where on the
> site will you post them?
> >
> >
> >--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, Scott
> Kellogg <glaive@g...> wrote:
> >  
> >
> >>I will post a few demonstrations of the BeatBox to
> elektron-users.com in 
> >>a little bit.
> >>
> >>/Scott
> >>
> >>taco6 wrote:
> >>
> >>    
> >>
> >>>Hello.  I am thinking about buying the
> MonoMachine.  However, I'd love to know 
> >>>      
> >>>
> >what the 
> >  
> >
> >>>drums sounds on it sound like.  The elektron site
> is very thin in this area.  What 
> >>>      
> >>>
> >drum 
> >  
> >
> >>>machines are they based on?  Elektron said they
> are based on the Machinedrum's 
> >>>      
> >>>
> >E12 
> >  
> >
> >>>machine...but I have no idea what that sounds
> like.  Out of the 24 sounds, how 
> >>>      
> >>>
> >many are 
> >  
> >
> >>>bass and snare sounds?  What are the other
> sounds?  How tweakable are the 
> >>>      
> >>>
> >sounds? 
> >  
> >
> >>>Elektron seems very timid in answering any
> questions about the drums on this 
> >>>      
> >>>
> >machine.  
> >  
> >
> >>>While I understand they are not the focus of this
> machine, they will come in 
> >>>      
> >>>
> >handy.  I do 
> >  
> >
> >>>not want the MachineDrum only (I want the Sid and
> FM) and I cannot afford both.  
> >>>      
> >>>
> >Can 
> >  
> >
> >>>someone post a beat using only the drum sounds
> from the MonoMachine...one 
> >>>      
> >>>
> >that 
> >  
> >
> >>>utilizes all of the sounds including the snares?
> >>>
> >>>Thank you for your time.  JSRockit
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>Yahoo! Groups Links
> >>>
> >>>
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> >>>
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> > 
> >Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
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> > 
> >
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> >
> >  
> >
> 
> 


		
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Thank you.  I understand that the drum sounds are
going to get old quick...but if they are useful at
all, I can use they as a scratch pad...and then add
them later in my computer.  I also understand that it
is 6 monophonic tracks.  However, I am ok with 3-4
tracks of drums and 3-2 tracks of synths.  I'm very
minimal generally speaking.  I may have to buy
both...but right now, I'm going with the
Monomachine...because I can do drums on my computer (I
have a huge sample library).  I cannot do what the
Monomachine offers in my computer.  I won't buy for
another month...so I may change my mind and get a
Machinedrum.  It really depends.  The sample reduction
should help a bit with these drums.

--- Christopher Mitchell <chrism@...> wrote:

> taco,
> 
> the drums are ok, and can be useful, but if you're
> going to be making 
> anything at all drum-oriented it will be either
> "really cool" for you 
> or not very cool at all.  No matter how you slice it
> you're working 
> with, what, 24 *short* samples that can be tweaked,
> but not in the same 
> variety of ways that one could tweak the same sample
> in a sampler or 
> software sampler.
> 
> Also remember that the drum sample generator (i
> don't want to be 
> confusing by saying "drum machine") on the MnM is
> MONOPHONIC.  so if 
> you want to have more than one drum hitting
> simultaneously, you have to 
> add a second monophonic machine.  I think for some,
> this leads to some 
> neat sounds... but if you just want to make a
> 'regular' drum track, 
> you're going to need some other source.
> 
> I would definitely try to find a MnM and a MD in
> person to play with 
> before making your decision.  I've got both.  If I
> had to choose 
> between the two, the MD would stay - but that's just
> me, and currently 
> I don't have to make that choice.
> 
> I won't be redundant posting what Scott says he's
> going to make, but 
> should he not post it soon just pop another mail up
> and I'll make a 
> short recording with a single trigger of each
> sample.
> 
> On Feb 19, 2005, at 8:25 PM, taco6 wrote:
> 
> >
> >
> > --- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, Joseph
> Melnyk <jmelnyk@c...> 
> > wrote:
> >
> >> check the machinedrum.com mp3's of the e12
> machines.  that might give
> >> you some idea.
> >> basically, they're pretty realistic sounding
> drums, kind of 
> >> hip-hop-ish
> >> (in my opinion).
> >>
> >>
> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been
> removed]
> >
> > Well, I will be making hip-hop influenced stuff
> with this...so that is 
> > good.  However, I
> > could not find anywhere on the machinedrum.com
> website where they 
> > break down
> > the sounds based on the machines.  They do that
> for the 
> > MonoMachine...but not the
> > machinedrum...and the Monomachine does not really
> get into the drum 
> > sounds.
> > Especially the snares.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> 
> 


		
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I don't think the drum sounds will get old.  They just are what they 
are: a synth engine like the others.  They are limited only by the 
programming skills and imagination you bring to the Monomachine.  
However, something like NI Battery 2 is, of course, a completely 
different beast. 

I think one of the best things about the MnM is the sequencer.  My 
friend and I sketched out a song form last night in the Song Sequencer, 
and it took all of twenty minutes to program a spiffy little 
arangement.  The fact that you can keep the creative flow going all time 
is one of the best features.

/Scott

John Gellings wrote:

>Thank you.  I understand that the drum sounds are
>going to get old quick...but if they are useful at
>all, I can use they as a scratch pad...and then add
>them later in my computer.  I also understand that it
>is 6 monophonic tracks.  However, I am ok with 3-4
>tracks of drums and 3-2 tracks of synths.  I'm very
>minimal generally speaking.  I may have to buy
>both...but right now, I'm going with the
>Monomachine...because I can do drums on my computer (I
>have a huge sample library).  I cannot do what the
>Monomachine offers in my computer.  I won't buy for
>another month...so I may change my mind and get a
>Machinedrum.  It really depends.  The sample reduction
>should help a bit with these drums.
>
>--- Christopher Mitchell <chrism@...> wrote:
>
>  
>
>>taco,
>>
>>the drums are ok, and can be useful, but if you're
>>going to be making 
>>anything at all drum-oriented it will be either
>>"really cool" for you 
>>or not very cool at all.  No matter how you slice it
>>you're working 
>>with, what, 24 *short* samples that can be tweaked,
>>but not in the same 
>>variety of ways that one could tweak the same sample
>>in a sampler or 
>>software sampler.
>>
>>Also remember that the drum sample generator (i
>>don't want to be 
>>confusing by saying "drum machine") on the MnM is
>>MONOPHONIC.  so if 
>>you want to have more than one drum hitting
>>simultaneously, you have to 
>>add a second monophonic machine.  I think for some,
>>this leads to some 
>>neat sounds... but if you just want to make a
>>'regular' drum track, 
>>you're going to need some other source.
>>
>>I would definitely try to find a MnM and a MD in
>>person to play with 
>>before making your decision.  I've got both.  If I
>>had to choose 
>>between the two, the MD would stay - but that's just
>>me, and currently 
>>I don't have to make that choice.
>>
>>I won't be redundant posting what Scott says he's
>>going to make, but 
>>should he not post it soon just pop another mail up
>>and I'll make a 
>>short recording with a single trigger of each
>>sample.
>>
>>On Feb 19, 2005, at 8:25 PM, taco6 wrote:
>>
>>    
>>
>>>--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, Joseph
>>>      
>>>
>>Melnyk <jmelnyk@c...> 
>>    
>>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>>>check the machinedrum.com mp3's of the e12
>>>>        
>>>>
>>machines.  that might give
>>    
>>
>>>>you some idea.
>>>>basically, they're pretty realistic sounding
>>>>        
>>>>
>>drums, kind of 
>>    
>>
>>>>hip-hop-ish
>>>>(in my opinion).
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>[Non-text portions of this message have been
>>>>        
>>>>
>>removed]
>>    
>>
>>>Well, I will be making hip-hop influenced stuff
>>>      
>>>
>>with this...so that is 
>>    
>>
>>>good.  However, I
>>>could not find anywhere on the machinedrum.com
>>>      
>>>
>>website where they 
>>    
>>
>>>break down
>>>the sounds based on the machines.  They do that
>>>      
>>>
>>for the 
>>    
>>
>>>MonoMachine...but not the
>>>machinedrum...and the Monomachine does not really
>>>      
>>>
>>get into the drum 
>>    
>>
>>>sounds.
>>>Especially the snares.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Yahoo! Groups Links
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>      
>>>
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Well said Scott, the sequencer is awesome on the MnM.
John if I hadn't had enough money to get both the MnM
and the MD and knowing what  do of them both now I
would have chose the MnM. Use battery for your dums,
it's like haveing the MD.


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--- Scott Kellogg <glaive@...> wrote:

> I don't think the drum sounds will get old.  They
> just are what they 
> are: a synth engine like the others.  They are
> limited only by the 
> programming skills and imagination you bring to the
> Monomachine.  
> However, something like NI Battery 2 is, of course,
> a completely 
> different beast. 
> 
> I think one of the best things about the MnM is the
> sequencer.  My 
> friend and I sketched out a song form last night in
> the Song Sequencer, 
> and it took all of twenty minutes to program a
> spiffy little 
> arangement.  The fact that you can keep the creative
> flow going all time 
> is one of the best features.
> 
> /Scott
> 
> John Gellings wrote:
> 
> >Thank you.  I understand that the drum sounds are
> >going to get old quick...but if they are useful at
> >all, I can use they as a scratch pad...and then add
> >them later in my computer.  I also understand that
> it
> >is 6 monophonic tracks.  However, I am ok with 3-4
> >tracks of drums and 3-2 tracks of synths.  I'm very
> >minimal generally speaking.  I may have to buy
> >both...but right now, I'm going with the
> >Monomachine...because I can do drums on my computer
> (I
> >have a huge sample library).  I cannot do what the
> >Monomachine offers in my computer.  I won't buy for
> >another month...so I may change my mind and get a
> >Machinedrum.  It really depends.  The sample
> reduction
> >should help a bit with these drums.
> >
> >--- Christopher Mitchell <chrism@...> wrote:
> >
> >  
> >
> >>taco,
> >>
> >>the drums are ok, and can be useful, but if you're
> >>going to be making 
> >>anything at all drum-oriented it will be either
> >>"really cool" for you 
> >>or not very cool at all.  No matter how you slice
> it
> >>you're working 
> >>with, what, 24 *short* samples that can be
> tweaked,
> >>but not in the same 
> >>variety of ways that one could tweak the same
> sample
> >>in a sampler or 
> >>software sampler.
> >>
> >>Also remember that the drum sample generator (i
> >>don't want to be 
> >>confusing by saying "drum machine") on the MnM is
> >>MONOPHONIC.  so if 
> >>you want to have more than one drum hitting
> >>simultaneously, you have to 
> >>add a second monophonic machine.  I think for
> some,
> >>this leads to some 
> >>neat sounds... but if you just want to make a
> >>'regular' drum track, 
> >>you're going to need some other source.
> >>
> >>I would definitely try to find a MnM and a MD in
> >>person to play with 
> >>before making your decision.  I've got both.  If I
> >>had to choose 
> >>between the two, the MD would stay - but that's
> just
> >>me, and currently 
> >>I don't have to make that choice.
> >>
> >>I won't be redundant posting what Scott says he's
> >>going to make, but 
> >>should he not post it soon just pop another mail
> up
> >>and I'll make a 
> >>short recording with a single trigger of each
> >>sample.
> >>
> >>On Feb 19, 2005, at 8:25 PM, taco6 wrote:
> >>
> >>    
> >>
> >>>--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, Joseph
> >>>      
> >>>
> >>Melnyk <jmelnyk@c...> 
> >>    
> >>
> >>>wrote:
> >>>
> >>>      
> >>>
> >>>>check the machinedrum.com mp3's of the e12
> >>>>        
> >>>>
> >>machines.  that might give
> >>    
> >>
> >>>>you some idea.
> >>>>basically, they're pretty realistic sounding
> >>>>        
> >>>>
> >>drums, kind of 
> >>    
> >>
> >>>>hip-hop-ish
> >>>>(in my opinion).
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>[Non-text portions of this message have been
> >>>>        
> >>>>
> >>removed]
> >>    
> >>
> >>>Well, I will be making hip-hop influenced stuff
> >>>      
> >>>
> >>with this...so that is 
> >>    
> >>
> >>>good.  However, I
> >>>could not find anywhere on the machinedrum.com
> >>>      
> >>>
> >>website where they 
> >>    
> >>
> >>>break down
> >>>the sounds based on the machines.  They do that
> >>>      
> >>>
> >>for the 
> >>    
> >>
> >>>MonoMachine...but not the
> >>>machinedrum...and the Monomachine does not really
> >>>      
> >>>
> >>get into the drum 
> >>    
> >>
> >>>sounds.
> >>>Especially the snares.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>Yahoo! Groups Links
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
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> >>>
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Wow, those don't sound bad at all.   I think I will be
fine with the Monomachine.

--- Scott Kellogg <glaive@...> wrote:

> Something is malfunctioning at elektron-users.com
> for file uploads.  
> I'll get it fixed ASAP. 
> 
> I've put the BeatBox examples at
> http://www.glaive.org/mp3/. 
> BeatBox 1, 2, and 4 are BeatBox + Reverb ( 2
> tracks).
> BeatBox 3 is 2 BeatBox Tracks, and 1 Dynamix
> (compressor) track.
> 
> Enjoy!
> 
> /Scott
> 
> taco6 wrote:
> 
> >Please do...I would appreciate it.  Where on the
> site will you post them?
> >
> >
> >--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, Scott
> Kellogg <glaive@g...> wrote:
> >  
> >
> >>I will post a few demonstrations of the BeatBox to
> elektron-users.com in 
> >>a little bit.
> >>
> >>/Scott
> >>
> >>taco6 wrote:
> >>
> >>    
> >>
> >>>Hello.  I am thinking about buying the
> MonoMachine.  However, I'd love to know 
> >>>      
> >>>
> >what the 
> >  
> >
> >>>drums sounds on it sound like.  The elektron site
> is very thin in this area.  What 
> >>>      
> >>>
> >drum 
> >  
> >
> >>>machines are they based on?  Elektron said they
> are based on the Machinedrum's 
> >>>      
> >>>
> >E12 
> >  
> >
> >>>machine...but I have no idea what that sounds
> like.  Out of the 24 sounds, how 
> >>>      
> >>>
> >many are 
> >  
> >
> >>>bass and snare sounds?  What are the other
> sounds?  How tweakable are the 
> >>>      
> >>>
> >sounds? 
> >  
> >
> >>>Elektron seems very timid in answering any
> questions about the drums on this 
> >>>      
> >>>
> >machine.  
> >  
> >
> >>>While I understand they are not the focus of this
> machine, they will come in 
> >>>      
> >>>
> >handy.  I do 
> >  
> >
> >>>not want the MachineDrum only (I want the Sid and
> FM) and I cannot afford both.  
> >>>      
> >>>
> >Can 
> >  
> >
> >>>someone post a beat using only the drum sounds
> from the MonoMachine...one 
> >>>      
> >>>
> >that 
> >  
> >
> >>>utilizes all of the sounds including the snares?
> >>>
> >>>Thank you for your time.  JSRockit
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>Yahoo! Groups Links
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> 
> >>>
> >>>      
> >>>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > 
> >Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> > 
> >
> >
> >
> >  
> >
> 
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I've listened to Scott's and got excited...however, I
don't think hearing the dry samples, single trigerred,
would be redundant.  I would be grateful if you could
do it.  

--- Christopher Mitchell <chrism@...> wrote:

> 
> I won't be redundant posting what Scott says he's
> going to make, but 
> should he not post it soon just pop another mail up
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John Gellings wrote:

>Wow, those don't sound bad at all.   I think I will be
>fine with the Monomachine.
>
>--- Scott Kellogg <glaive@...> wrote:
>
>  
>
>>Something is malfunctioning at elektron-users.com
>>for file uploads.  
>>I'll get it fixed ASAP. 
>>
>>I've put the BeatBox examples at
>>http://www.glaive.org/mp3/. 
>>BeatBox 1, 2, and 4 are BeatBox + Reverb ( 2
>>tracks).
>>BeatBox 3 is 2 BeatBox Tracks, and 1 Dynamix
>>(compressor) track.
>>
>>Enjoy!
>>
>>/Scott
>>
>>taco6 wrote:
>>
>>    
>>
>>>Please do...I would appreciate it.  Where on the
>>>      
>>>
>>site will you post them?
>>    
>>
>>>--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, Scott
>>>      
>>>
>>Kellogg <glaive@g...> wrote:
>>    
>>
>>> 
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>>>I will post a few demonstrations of the BeatBox to
>>>>        
>>>>
>>elektron-users.com in 
>>    
>>
>>>>a little bit.
>>>>
>>>>/Scott
>>>>
>>>>taco6 wrote:
>>>>
>>>>   
>>>>
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>>>Hello.  I am thinking about buying the
>>>>>          
>>>>>
>>MonoMachine.  However, I'd love to know 
>>    
>>
>>>>>     
>>>>>
>>>>>          
>>>>>
>>>what the 
>>> 
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>>>>drums sounds on it sound like.  The elektron site
>>>>>          
>>>>>
>>is very thin in this area.  What 
>>    
>>
>>>>>     
>>>>>
>>>>>          
>>>>>
>>>drum 
>>> 
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>>>>machines are they based on?  Elektron said they
>>>>>          
>>>>>
>>are based on the Machinedrum's 
>>    
>>
>>>>>     
>>>>>
>>>>>          
>>>>>
>>>E12 
>>> 
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>>>>machine...but I have no idea what that sounds
>>>>>          
>>>>>
>>like.  Out of the 24 sounds, how 
>>    
>>
>>>>>     
>>>>>
>>>>>          
>>>>>
>>>many are 
>>> 
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>>>>bass and snare sounds?  What are the other
>>>>>          
>>>>>
>>sounds?  How tweakable are the 
>>    
>>
>>>>>     
>>>>>
>>>>>          
>>>>>
>>>sounds? 
>>> 
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>>>>Elektron seems very timid in answering any
>>>>>          
>>>>>
>>questions about the drums on this 
>>    
>>
>>>>>     
>>>>>
>>>>>          
>>>>>
>>>machine.  
>>> 
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>>>>While I understand they are not the focus of this
>>>>>          
>>>>>
>>machine, they will come in 
>>    
>>
>>>>>     
>>>>>
>>>>>          
>>>>>
>>>handy.  I do 
>>> 
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>>>>not want the MachineDrum only (I want the Sid and
>>>>>          
>>>>>
>>FM) and I cannot afford both.  
>>    
>>
>>>>>     
>>>>>
>>>>>          
>>>>>
>>>Can 
>>> 
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>>>>someone post a beat using only the drum sounds
>>>>>          
>>>>>
>>from the MonoMachine...one 
>>    
>>
>>>>>     
>>>>>
>>>>>          
>>>>>
>>>that 
>>> 
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>>>>utilizes all of the sounds including the snares?
>>>>>
>>>>>Thank you for your time.  JSRockit
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Yahoo! Groups Links
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>     
>>>>>
>>>>>          
>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Yahoo! Groups Links
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>    
>>
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I have the MD, and the MnM. I picked up the MnM exactly one month ago,
from this post, my 25 birth day. ^_^ 

If I had to pick one, to keep, or one to pick up first, it would be
the MnM, HANDS DOWN! Reason being that I can use the drums on the MnM
and the other synth engines to make a full track. It has a great user
interface! 

The MnM does not give you a fraction of the controll over the drum
sounds as the MD, but it is good enuff. Curently I dont have my studio
setup, as I am in the middle of a move, and thuse I use the MnM
exclusivly. I use 2-3 tracks devoted to drums, and the rest to what
ever, and it sounds real good. Did I mention it is easy to program?!? *_*

I'll have them both hooked up soon, and then I'll off load the drums
to the MD, and faten up the synths, by cloning them to a track
previously devoted to drums.

-M





--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, Automatic Panic
<thesoundzoneinfo@y...> wrote:

> Well said Scott, the sequencer is awesome on the MnM.
> John if I hadn't had enough money to get both the MnM
> and the MD and knowing what  do of them both now I
> would have chose the MnM. Use battery for your dums,
> it's like haveing the MD.
> 
> 
> Auto
> 
> --- Scott Kellogg <glaive@g...> wrote:
> 
> > I don't think the drum sounds will get old.  They
> > just are what they 
> > are: a synth engine like the others.  They are
> > limited only by the 
> > programming skills and imagination you bring to the
> > Monomachine.  
> > However, something like NI Battery 2 is, of course,
> > a completely 
> > different beast. 
> > 
> > I think one of the best things about the MnM is the
> > sequencer.  My 
> > friend and I sketched out a song form last night in
> > the Song Sequencer, 
> > and it took all of twenty minutes to program a
> > spiffy little 
> > arangement.  The fact that you can keep the creative
> > flow going all time 
> > is one of the best features.
> > 
> > /Scott
> > 
> > John Gellings wrote:
> > 
> > >Thank you.  I understand that the drum sounds are
> > >going to get old quick...but if they are useful at
> > >all, I can use they as a scratch pad...and then add
> > >them later in my computer.  I also understand that
> > it
> > >is 6 monophonic tracks.  However, I am ok with 3-4
> > >tracks of drums and 3-2 tracks of synths.  I'm very
> > >minimal generally speaking.  I may have to buy
> > >both...but right now, I'm going with the
> > >Monomachine...because I can do drums on my computer
> > (I
> > >have a huge sample library).  I cannot do what the
> > >Monomachine offers in my computer.  I won't buy for
> > >another month...so I may change my mind and get a
> > >Machinedrum.  It really depends.  The sample
> > reduction
> > >should help a bit with these drums.
> > >
> > >--- Christopher Mitchell <chrism@l...> wrote:
> > >
> > >  
> > >
> > >>taco,
> > >>
> > >>the drums are ok, and can be useful, but if you're
> > >>going to be making 
> > >>anything at all drum-oriented it will be either
> > >>"really cool" for you 
> > >>or not very cool at all.  No matter how you slice
> > it
> > >>you're working 
> > >>with, what, 24 *short* samples that can be
> > tweaked,
> > >>but not in the same 
> > >>variety of ways that one could tweak the same
> > sample
> > >>in a sampler or 
> > >>software sampler.
> > >>
> > >>Also remember that the drum sample generator (i
> > >>don't want to be 
> > >>confusing by saying "drum machine") on the MnM is
> > >>MONOPHONIC.  so if 
> > >>you want to have more than one drum hitting
> > >>simultaneously, you have to 
> > >>add a second monophonic machine.  I think for
> > some,
> > >>this leads to some 
> > >>neat sounds... but if you just want to make a
> > >>'regular' drum track, 
> > >>you're going to need some other source.
> > >>
> > >>I would definitely try to find a MnM and a MD in
> > >>person to play with 
> > >>before making your decision.  I've got both.  If I
> > >>had to choose 
> > >>between the two, the MD would stay - but that's
> > just
> > >>me, and currently 
> > >>I don't have to make that choice.
> > >>
> > >>I won't be redundant posting what Scott says he's
> > >>going to make, but 
> > >>should he not post it soon just pop another mail
> > up
> > >>and I'll make a 
> > >>short recording with a single trigger of each
> > >>sample.
> > >>
> > >>On Feb 19, 2005, at 8:25 PM, taco6 wrote:
> > >>
> > >>    
> > >>
> > >>>--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, Joseph
> > >>>      
> > >>>
> > >>Melnyk <jmelnyk@c...> 
> > >>    
> > >>
> > >>>wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>      
> > >>>
> > >>>>check the machinedrum.com mp3's of the e12
> > >>>>        
> > >>>>
> > >>machines.  that might give
> > >>    
> > >>
> > >>>>you some idea.
> > >>>>basically, they're pretty realistic sounding
> > >>>>        
> > >>>>
> > >>drums, kind of 
> > >>    
> > >>
> > >>>>hip-hop-ish
> > >>>>(in my opinion).
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>[Non-text portions of this message have been
> > >>>>        
> > >>>>
> > >>removed]
> > >>    
> > >>
> > >>>Well, I will be making hip-hop influenced stuff
> > >>>      
> > >>>
> > >>with this...so that is 
> > >>    
> > >>
> > >>>good.  However, I
> > >>>could not find anywhere on the machinedrum.com
> > >>>      
> > >>>
> > >>website where they 
> > >>    
> > >>
> > >>>break down
> > >>>the sounds based on the machines.  They do that
> > >>>      
> > >>>
> > >>for the 
> > >>    
> > >>
> > >>>MonoMachine...but not the
> > >>>machinedrum...and the Monomachine does not really
> > >>>      
> > >>>
> > >>get into the drum 
> > >>    
> > >>
> > >>>sounds.
> > >>>Especially the snares.
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>Yahoo! Groups Links
> > >>>
> > >>>
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