Elektron Musical Instruments

Hi,
 I know this has been mentioned before in the past, and that 
Elektron provided many good reasons why it's a very serious decision 
for a synth manufacturer to consider, but does anyone have any new 
thoughts on a Sidstation OS update?

According to the usergroup archives, various people have their own 
requests for a Sidstation update, and my preference (read craving) 
would be the ability to address the oscillators separately on 
different MIDI channels - I feel this would not only open up the 
potential of the machine hugely, but that it would further 
invigorate users' passion for writing pure sidtracks like back in 
the day, without having to use an emulator or a real C64 to create 
a .sid file, to then play through ASid. I wouldn't have brought this 
up yet *again*, but with the new influx of Sidstation owners that 
will undoubtedly hit this community thanks to Elektron's recent chip 
discovery and production spurt, I think it's time for some debate on 
this and for people to think again about what it is they think would 
be a really worthwhile addition to the Sidstation's software-
adjustable capabilities. 

So would this even be possible via an OS update - separate 
oscillator addressing? Do people still want, as they've mentioned 
inthe past, a 'test trigger' button, for listening to patches while 
programming with just a pair of headphones, away from the mixing 
desk? Anything we haven't heard before?

Thanks everyone:)

Bren

On Apr 24, 2005, at 3:19 PM, fiendishfeat wrote:

>  So would this even be possible via an OS update - separate
>  oscillator addressing?

this would be cool and I'd certainly like to have it.  but I doubt that 
it will happen.
I believe that Elektron considers the Sidstation to be a "finished" 
product and thus
aren't really rushing to make OS updates.  I'm sure there are much more 
interesting
things they'd like to get to (and I'd like to see them get to!).

>  Do people still want, as they've mentioned
>  inthe past, a 'test trigger' button, for listening to patches while
>  programming with just a pair of headphones, away from the mixing
>  desk? Anything we haven't heard before?

that's a good idea, but you can't really listen to the Sid directly 
from its
outputs can you?  I was under the impression that the signal was too
low (and mono) to simply plug in headphones.  but yes, a test button
would be cool (kind of like how the Nord racks will play C3 when you
press a certain button; I forget which).


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--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "fiendishfeat" <bren@l...> 
wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi,
>  I know this has been mentioned before in the past, and that 
> Elektron provided many good reasons why it's a very serious 
decision 
> for a synth manufacturer to consider, but does anyone have any new 
> thoughts on a Sidstation OS update?
> 
> According to the usergroup archives, various people have their own 
> requests for a Sidstation update, and my preference (read craving) 
> would be the ability to address the oscillators separately on 
> different MIDI channels - I feel this would not only open up the 
> potential of the machine hugely, but that it would further 
> invigorate users' passion for writing pure sidtracks like back in 
> the day, without having to use an emulator or a real C64 to create 
> a .sid file, to then play through ASid. 

that would be SUPER!! and i think its possible.. www.ucapps.de 
also being able to address cc parameters in the wavetable would be 
powerful addition too, albeit complicated.

I wouldn't have brought this 
> up yet *again*, but with the new influx of Sidstation owners that 
> will undoubtedly hit this community thanks to Elektron's recent 
chip 
> discovery and production spurt, I think it's time for some debate 
on 
> this and for people to think again about what it is they think 
would 
> be a really worthwhile addition to the Sidstation's software-
> adjustable capabilities. 
> 
> So would this even be possible via an OS update - separate 
> oscillator addressing? Do people still want, as they've mentioned 
> inthe past, a 'test trigger' button, for listening to patches 
while 
> programming with just a pair of headphones, away from the mixing 
> desk? 

OK YEAH!!

Anything we haven't heard before?

res available via cc??

> 
> Thanks everyone:)
> 
> Bren

you can add mey vote! we ought to petition elektron for multitimbral
function on the sidstation. i was just wishing for that the other day!
best,
needle/

> Message: 1       
> Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 04:31:57 -0000
> From: "analogback" <gehayman@...>
> Subject: Re: Lick of paint for Sidstation?
> 
> 
> --- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "fiendishfeat" <bren@l...>
> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Hi,
>> I know this has been mentioned before in the past, and that
>> Elektron provided many good reasons why it's a very serious
> decision 
>> for a synth manufacturer to consider, but does anyone have any new
>> thoughts on a Sidstation OS update?
>> 
>> According to the usergroup archives, various people have their own
>> requests for a Sidstation update, and my preference (read craving)
>> would be the ability to address the oscillators separately on
>> different MIDI channels - I feel this would not only open up the
>> potential of the machine hugely, but that it would further
>> invigorate users' passion for writing pure sidtracks like back in
>> the day, without having to use an emulator or a real C64 to create
>> a .sid file, to then play through ASid.
> 
> that would be SUPER!! and i think its possible.. www.ucapps.de
> also being able to address cc parameters in the wavetable would be
> powerful addition too, albeit complicated.
> 
> I wouldn't have brought this
>> up yet *again*, but with the new influx of Sidstation owners that
>> will undoubtedly hit this community thanks to Elektron's recent
> chip 
>> discovery and production spurt, I think it's time for some debate
> on 
>> this and for people to think again about what it is they think
> would 
>> be a really worthwhile addition to the Sidstation's software-
>> adjustable capabilities.
>> 
>> So would this even be possible via an OS update - separate
>> oscillator addressing? Do people still want, as they've mentioned
>> inthe past, a 'test trigger' button, for listening to patches
> while 
>> programming with just a pair of headphones, away from the mixing
>> desk? 
> 
> OK YEAH!!
> 
> Anything we haven't heard before?
> 
> res available via cc??
> 
>> 
>> Thanks everyone:)
>> 
>> Bren

Yo,

>  According to the usergroup archives, various people have their own 
>  requests for a Sidstation update, 

Yep, a new one : just after the audio IN, an enveloppe follower for
modulate the filter.


Best,
ludu

I will be cool to be able to copy parameters from OSC to anoter
just to modify it after ... (and same things for LFO).

--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, Edwin Razafimahatratra 
<edwin.list@g...> wrote:
> I will be cool to be able to copy parameters from OSC to anoter
> just to modify it after ... (and same things for LFO).

Osc settings are fairly well supported in that respect, since you 
can quickly flick between 1, 2 and 3 and match/compare your 
settings, but you're right - it *would* be nice to copy LFO 
settings. 

However, the feature that I'd kill for, I mean really KILL for, the 
feature that would make my Sidstation INVALUABLE instead of merely 
very excellent, is one that's been suggested many times before. 
INDIVIDUAL OSCILLATOR CONTROL VIA MIDI! 

I wouldn't say that the Sidstation was misrepresented when first 
sold, but just that this seems such an obvious thing and I'm amazed 
that it never found its way into the OS. Now, if I want to compose a 
straight-up sid tune and play it through my Sidstation, I have to 
write my instruments in Goattracker, track it, compile it, load it 
into Asid, say a quick prayer and then hope for the best. With 
individual Osc control, I could play the same SID tune, more 
reliably, MIDI synced, one channel per oscillator, mono/1-osc 
patches... I know how much a pain updating the OS would be...but 
this would exponentially multiply the effective usefulness of the 
world's most beautiful and unique synthesiser and bring tears of joy 
to the eyes of all those people who don't give their 'Station the 
love and attention it deserves ;_;

I'd have babies and then sell them into slavery, or put an eyeball 
on the black market or take a vow of chastity if I could only get 
separate Osc control over MIDI for my Sidstation. Maybe not the 
chastity, but definitely the babies and eyeball. Is there anyone to 
hear my prayer?

--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "fiendishfeat" <bren@l...> 
wrote:
> --- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, Edwin Razafimahatratra 
> <edwin.list@g...> wrote:
> > I will be cool to be able to copy parameters from OSC to anoter
> > just to modify it after ... (and same things for LFO).
> 
> Osc settings are fairly well supported in that respect, since you 
> can quickly flick between 1, 2 and 3 and match/compare your 
> settings, but you're right - it *would* be nice to copy LFO 
> settings. 
> 
> However, the feature that I'd kill for, I mean really KILL for, 
the 
> feature that would make my Sidstation INVALUABLE instead of merely 
> very excellent, is one that's been suggested many times before. 
> INDIVIDUAL OSCILLATOR CONTROL VIA MIDI! 
> 
> I wouldn't say that the Sidstation was misrepresented when first 
> sold, but just that this seems such an obvious thing and I'm 
amazed 
> that it never found its way into the OS.

must admit i "assumed" when i first purchased my SID many, many 
moons ago, it had this feature, and was sorely dissapointed at the 
time.. i eventually got over it.. until i read that the MIDIBOX SID 
was capable of this! pooh, so its possible but maybe not in the way 
the SIDSTATION OS is structured. having almost sold the SID a few 
times i cant seem to bring myself to do it, but in the meantime ive 
been collecting old c64s with the thought of maybe making a 4XSID 
midibox in the future. if the SIDSTATION had individual midi 
channels for each oscillator it might save me some solder burns! 


 Now, if I want to compose a 
> straight-up sid tune and play it through my Sidstation, I have to 
> write my instruments in Goattracker, track it, compile it, load it 
> into Asid, say a quick prayer and then hope for the best. With 
> individual Osc control, I could play the same SID tune, more 
> reliably, MIDI synced, one channel per oscillator, mono/1-osc 
> patches... I know how much a pain updating the OS would be...but 
> this would exponentially multiply the effective usefulness of the 
> world's most beautiful and unique synthesiser and bring tears of 
joy 
> to the eyes of all those people who don't give their 'Station the 
> love and attention it deserves ;_;

guilty as predicted.. in fact it might even justify the $1100 price 
tag!

> 
> I'd have babies and then sell them into slavery, or put an eyeball 
> on the black market or take a vow of chastity if I could only get 
> separate Osc control over MIDI for my Sidstation. Maybe not the 
> chastity, but definitely the babies and eyeball. Is there anyone 
to 
> hear my prayer?

yeah.. SATAN!!!    he's a programmer too y'know  ;)