Elektron Musical Instruments

Hi,

I posted this problem a few weeks ago. But i don't get a finally 
answer. 
Can someone please help me with he following prolem.

I want use the TRX BD2 for a track. But i get a drifting sound from
it. For example please listen to the file in the following link.
Is this normal for this machine?
I used an empty kit with and load the trx bd2 in it.
There is no LFO modulation, dynamic settings or whatever. It es onlay 
the raw TRX BD2 with added tick parameter.

http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?
action=download&ufid=95E0900E1C56B554


Thanks!

Lars

i can hear it too, on your recording and (i think) with my MD


> Hi,
>
> I posted this problem a few weeks ago. But i don't get a finally
> answer.
> Can someone please help me with he following prolem.
>
> I want use the TRX BD2 for a track. But i get a drifting sound from
> it. For example please listen to the file in the following link.
> Is this normal for this machine?
> I used an empty kit with and load the trx bd2 in it.
> There is no LFO modulation, dynamic settings or whatever. It es onlay
> the raw TRX BD2 with added tick parameter.
>
> http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?
> action=download&ufid=95E0900E1C56B554
>
>
> Thanks!
>
> Lars
>
>
>
>


/roby
//www.sweet-trip.net

I don't get it with mine.  I'm running 1.30 (not 1.30b, I've read too  
many weird issues and didn't see anything it fixed that I care about)

On Jun 26, 2006, at 11:28 AM, roby@... wrote:

> i can hear it too, on your recording and (i think) with my MD
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > I posted this problem a few weeks ago. But i don't get a finally
> > answer.
> > Can someone please help me with he following prolem.
> >
> > I want use the TRX BD2 for a track. But i get a drifting sound from
> > it. For example please listen to the file in the following link.
> > Is this normal for this machine?
> > I used an empty kit with and load the trx bd2 in it.
> > There is no LFO modulation, dynamic settings or whatever. It es  
> onlay
> > the raw TRX BD2 with added tick parameter.
> >
> > http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?
> > action=download&ufid=95E0900E1C56B554
> >
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> > Lars
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> /roby
> //www.sweet-trip.net
>
>
>

I've gotten it a couple times with mine, a bug I'd say.

On 6/26/06, damon <damon@...> wrote:
> I don't get it with mine.  I'm running 1.30 (not 1.30b, I've read too
> many weird issues and didn't see anything it fixed that I care about)
>

-- 
Tarekith
http://www.tarekith.com

Just be sure that bug discussions don't end in a forum or mailing list
where it can be stuck forever. "Every bug we can recreate we can fix"
is like a mantra I keep repeating. Make an easy to follow description
how to get the bug materialise from an empty kit and pattern and send
it off to support@elektron. State what OS you use (it helps if you use
the latest posted) And voila, if we can get the same bug as you, in
the next update it's gone.

We do pick up reports from this yahoo list and elektron-users from
time to time, but usually we need to get in contact with the reporter
and get a more detailed description, so the only reliable way is to
write your guide how to find the bug from an empty pattern and kit
(empty or factory reset first is preferred so we can follow from a
clean start, but we can't require people to do that) send a mail with
your bug-hunt guide and we'll squach it if it's there.

Note that most (like 80%) of the reports ends up being something else
than bugs, like side-effects or some setting the reporter didn't think
about.

Sometimes when reading forums you can get the impressions there are
many bugs and problems with our gear, but I'd say they are really
realiable, and we use them ourselves on stage like so many others.

In the upcoming OS1.32 we've emptied the bug list for all reported
ones, but I've never heard of any B2-bug.

...but for an evolving project like the MD and the Mono OS there is
always a risk that we add bugs as we add features. All I can say that
we're doing our best with all kind of tough stress tests (heat,
voltage and input stress for hardware and all-round use and
input/sequencer stress for software.

Daniel, Elektron

--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, Tarekith <Tarekith@...> wrote:

>
> I've gotten it a couple times with mine, a bug I'd say.
> 
> On 6/26/06, damon <damon@...> wrote:
> > I don't get it with mine.  I'm running 1.30 (not 1.30b, I've read too
> > many weird issues and didn't see anything it fixed that I care about)
> >
> 
> -- 
> Tarekith
> http://www.tarekith.com
>

As a matter of fact, I don't really get your 'bug'? I mean, when I try to make something similar with that exact patch, I get the same result. And it's fine the way it is! I don't really hear a bug. Maybe you mean that each of the basses are sounding slightly different, but that is what makes it a synth-generated bass and not a sampled one (which is always the same). Or should I notice something else in the posted MP3? 
-Chris


---- daniel_elektron <daniel@...> schrijft: 

> 
> Just be sure that bug discussions don't end in a forum or mailing list
> where it can be stuck forever. "Every bug we can recreate we can fix"
> is like a mantra I keep repeating. Make an easy to follow description
> how to get the bug materialise from an empty kit and pattern and send
> it off to support@elektron. State what OS you use (it helps if you use
> the latest posted) And voila, if we can get the same bug as you, in
> the next update it's gone.
> 
> We do pick up reports from this yahoo list and elektron-users from
> time to time, but usually we need to get in contact with the reporter
> and get a more detailed description, so the only reliable way is to
> write your guide how to find the bug from an empty pattern and kit
> (empty or factory reset first is preferred so we can follow from a
> clean start, but we can't require people to do that) send a mail with
> your bug-hunt guide and we'll squach it if it's there.
> 
> Note that most (like 80%) of the reports ends up being something else
> than bugs, like side-effects or some setting the reporter didn't think
> about.
> 
> Sometimes when reading forums you can get the impressions there are
> many bugs and problems with our gear, but I'd say they are really
> realiable, and we use them ourselves on stage like so many others.
> 
> In the upcoming OS1.32 we've emptied the bug list for all reported
> ones, but I've never heard of any B2-bug.
> 
> ...but for an evolving project like the MD and the Mono OS there is
> always a risk that we add bugs as we add features. All I can say that
> we're doing our best with all kind of tough stress tests (heat,
> voltage and input stress for hardware and all-round use and
> input/sequencer stress for software.
> 
> Daniel, Elektron
> 
> --- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, Tarekith <Tarekith@...> wrote:
> >
> > I've gotten it a couple times with mine, a bug I'd say.
> > 
> > On 6/26/06, damon <damon@...> wrote:
> > > I don't get it with mine.  I'm running 1.30 (not 1.30b, I've read too
> > > many weird issues and didn't see anything it fixed that I care about)
> > >
> > 
> > -- 
> > Tarekith
> > http://www.tarekith.com
> >
> 
> 
> 
>

Hi Chris,

this is what I want to know. Is the sound in the MP3 file normal for
the MD or not!

When it is normal I must accept it, even when I think the drifting
sound makes it sometimes not useable for me, becausse the kick goes
from punchy with a herable tick at the beginng to moody without the
hearable tick. And I dont like this behavour. but I can sample the
right kick for me an use it as a sample.

I only want to know if my MD ist ok or not!

greetz

LArs

--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, <Cosmiq@...> wrote:
>
> As a matter of fact, I don't really get your 'bug'? I mean, when I
try to make something similar with that exact patch, I get the same
result. And it's fine the way it is! I don't really hear a bug. Maybe
you mean that each of the basses are sounding slightly different, but
that is what makes it a synth-generated bass and not a sampled one
(which is always the same). Or should I notice something else in the
posted MP3? 
> -Chris
> 
> 
> ---- daniel_elektron <daniel@...> schrijft: 
> > 
> > Just be sure that bug discussions don't end in a forum or mailing list
> > where it can be stuck forever. "Every bug we can recreate we can fix"
> > is like a mantra I keep repeating. Make an easy to follow description
> > how to get the bug materialise from an empty kit and pattern and send
> > it off to support@elektron. State what OS you use (it helps if you use
> > the latest posted) And voila, if we can get the same bug as you, in
> > the next update it's gone.
> > 
> > We do pick up reports from this yahoo list and elektron-users from
> > time to time, but usually we need to get in contact with the reporter
> > and get a more detailed description, so the only reliable way is to
> > write your guide how to find the bug from an empty pattern and kit
> > (empty or factory reset first is preferred so we can follow from a
> > clean start, but we can't require people to do that) send a mail with
> > your bug-hunt guide and we'll squach it if it's there.
> > 
> > Note that most (like 80%) of the reports ends up being something else
> > than bugs, like side-effects or some setting the reporter didn't think
> > about.
> > 
> > Sometimes when reading forums you can get the impressions there are
> > many bugs and problems with our gear, but I'd say they are really
> > realiable, and we use them ourselves on stage like so many others.
> > 
> > In the upcoming OS1.32 we've emptied the bug list for all reported
> > ones, but I've never heard of any B2-bug.
> > 
> > ...but for an evolving project like the MD and the Mono OS there is
> > always a risk that we add bugs as we add features. All I can say that
> > we're doing our best with all kind of tough stress tests (heat,
> > voltage and input stress for hardware and all-round use and
> > input/sequencer stress for software.
> > 
> > Daniel, Elektron
> > 
> > --- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, Tarekith <Tarekith@> wrote:
> > >
> > > I've gotten it a couple times with mine, a bug I'd say.
> > > 
> > > On 6/26/06, damon <damon@> wrote:
> > > > I don't get it with mine.  I'm running 1.30 (not 1.30b, I've
read too
> > > > many weird issues and didn't see anything it fixed that I care
about)

> > > >
> > > 
> > > -- 
> > > Tarekith
> > > http://www.tarekith.com
> > >
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >
>

Aha! Then my interpretation was ok.
I think your MD is ok cause mine is acting likewise :)
-Chris


---- scotch5010 <l.sommerfeld@...> schrijft: 

> Hi Chris,
> 
> this is what I want to know. Is the sound in the MP3 file normal for
> the MD or not!
> 
> When it is normal I must accept it, even when I think the drifting
> sound makes it sometimes not useable for me, becausse the kick goes
> from punchy with a herable tick at the beginng to moody without the
> hearable tick. And I dont like this behavour. but I can sample the
> right kick for me an use it as a sample.
> 
> I only want to know if my MD ist ok or not!
> 
> greetz
> 
> LArs
> 
> --- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, <Cosmiq@...> wrote:
> >
> > As a matter of fact, I don't really get your 'bug'? I mean, when I
> try to make something similar with that exact patch, I get the same
> result. And it's fine the way it is! I don't really hear a bug. Maybe
> you mean that each of the basses are sounding slightly different, but
> that is what makes it a synth-generated bass and not a sampled one
> (which is always the same). Or should I notice something else in the
> posted MP3? 
> > -Chris
> > 
> > 
> > ---- daniel_elektron <daniel@...> schrijft: 
> > > 
> > > Just be sure that bug discussions don't end in a forum or mailing list
> > > where it can be stuck forever. "Every bug we can recreate we can fix"
> > > is like a mantra I keep repeating. Make an easy to follow description
> > > how to get the bug materialise from an empty kit and pattern and send
> > > it off to support@elektron. State what OS you use (it helps if you use
> > > the latest posted) And voila, if we can get the same bug as you, in
> > > the next update it's gone.
> > > 
> > > We do pick up reports from this yahoo list and elektron-users from
> > > time to time, but usually we need to get in contact with the reporter
> > > and get a more detailed description, so the only reliable way is to
> > > write your guide how to find the bug from an empty pattern and kit
> > > (empty or factory reset first is preferred so we can follow from a
> > > clean start, but we can't require people to do that) send a mail with
> > > your bug-hunt guide and we'll squach it if it's there.
> > > 
> > > Note that most (like 80%) of the reports ends up being something else
> > > than bugs, like side-effects or some setting the reporter didn't think
> > > about.
> > > 
> > > Sometimes when reading forums you can get the impressions there are
> > > many bugs and problems with our gear, but I'd say they are really
> > > realiable, and we use them ourselves on stage like so many others.
> > > 
> > > In the upcoming OS1.32 we've emptied the bug list for all reported
> > > ones, but I've never heard of any B2-bug.
> > > 
> > > ...but for an evolving project like the MD and the Mono OS there is
> > > always a risk that we add bugs as we add features. All I can say that
> > > we're doing our best with all kind of tough stress tests (heat,
> > > voltage and input stress for hardware and all-round use and
> > > input/sequencer stress for software.
> > > 
> > > Daniel, Elektron
> > > 
> > > --- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, Tarekith <Tarekith@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I've gotten it a couple times with mine, a bug I'd say.
> > > > 
> > > > On 6/26/06, damon <damon@> wrote:
> > > > > I don't get it with mine.  I'm running 1.30 (not 1.30b, I've
> read too
> > > > > many weird issues and didn't see anything it fixed that I care
> about)
> > > > >
> > > > 
> > > > -- 
> > > > Tarekith
> > > > http://www.tarekith.com
> > > >
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > >
> >
> 
> 
> 
> 
>

--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, <Cosmiq@...> wrote:
>
> Aha! Then my interpretation was ok.
> I think your MD is ok cause mine is acting likewise :)
> -Chris
> 


same here.. 'tis a little annoying! definately worth 'officially'
reporting to elektron :]

> 
> ---- scotch5010 <l.sommerfeld@...> schrijft: 
> > Hi Chris,
> > 
> > this is what I want to know. Is the sound in the MP3 file normal for
> > the MD or not!
> > 
> > When it is normal I must accept it, even when I think the drifting
> > sound makes it sometimes not useable for me, becausse the kick goes
> > from punchy with a herable tick at the beginng to moody without the
> > hearable tick. And I dont like this behavour. but I can sample the
> > right kick for me an use it as a sample.
> > 
> > I only want to know if my MD ist ok or not!
> > 
> > greetz
> > 
> > LArs
> > 
> > --- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, <Cosmiq@> wrote:
> > >
> > > As a matter of fact, I don't really get your 'bug'? I mean, when I
> > try to make something similar with that exact patch, I get the same
> > result. And it's fine the way it is! I don't really hear a bug. Maybe
> > you mean that each of the basses are sounding slightly different, but
> > that is what makes it a synth-generated bass and not a sampled one
> > (which is always the same). Or should I notice something else in the
> > posted MP3? 
> > > -Chris
> > > 
> > > 
> > > ---- daniel_elektron <daniel@> schrijft: 
> > > > 
> > > > Just be sure that bug discussions don't end in a forum or
mailing list
> > > > where it can be stuck forever. "Every bug we can recreate we
can fix"
> > > > is like a mantra I keep repeating. Make an easy to follow
description
> > > > how to get the bug materialise from an empty kit and pattern
and send
> > > > it off to support@elektron. State what OS you use (it helps if
you use
> > > > the latest posted) And voila, if we can get the same bug as
you, in
> > > > the next update it's gone.
> > > > 
> > > > We do pick up reports from this yahoo list and elektron-users from
> > > > time to time, but usually we need to get in contact with the
reporter
> > > > and get a more detailed description, so the only reliable way
is to
> > > > write your guide how to find the bug from an empty pattern and kit
> > > > (empty or factory reset first is preferred so we can follow from a
> > > > clean start, but we can't require people to do that) send a
mail with
> > > > your bug-hunt guide and we'll squach it if it's there.
> > > > 
> > > > Note that most (like 80%) of the reports ends up being
something else
> > > > than bugs, like side-effects or some setting the reporter
didn't think
> > > > about.
> > > > 
> > > > Sometimes when reading forums you can get the impressions
there are
> > > > many bugs and problems with our gear, but I'd say they are really
> > > > realiable, and we use them ourselves on stage like so many others.
> > > > 
> > > > In the upcoming OS1.32 we've emptied the bug list for all reported
> > > > ones, but I've never heard of any B2-bug.
> > > > 
> > > > ...but for an evolving project like the MD and the Mono OS
there is
> > > > always a risk that we add bugs as we add features. All I can
say that

> > > > we're doing our best with all kind of tough stress tests (heat,
> > > > voltage and input stress for hardware and all-round use and
> > > > input/sequencer stress for software.
> > > > 
> > > > Daniel, Elektron
> > > > 
> > > > --- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, Tarekith <Tarekith@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > I've gotten it a couple times with mine, a bug I'd say.
> > > > > 
> > > > > On 6/26/06, damon <damon@> wrote:
> > > > > > I don't get it with mine.  I'm running 1.30 (not 1.30b, I've
> > read too
> > > > > > many weird issues and didn't see anything it fixed that I care
> > about)
> > > > > >
> > > > > 
> > > > > -- 
> > > > > Tarekith
> > > > > http://www.tarekith.com
> > > > >
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > >
> > >
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >
>

I was just able to reproduce it on 1.30

On Jul 3, 2006, at 2:18 AM, analogback wrote:

> --- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, <Cosmiq@...> wrote:
> >
> > Aha! Then my interpretation was ok.
> > I think your MD is ok cause mine is acting likewise :)
> > -Chris
> >
>
> same here.. 'tis a little annoying! definately worth 'officially'
> reporting to elektron :]
>
> >
> > ---- scotch5010 <l.sommerfeld@...> schrijft:
> > > Hi Chris,
> > >
> > > this is what I want to know. Is the sound in the MP3 file  
> normal for
> > > the MD or not!
> > >
> > > When it is normal I must accept it, even when I think the drifting
> > > sound makes it sometimes not useable for me, becausse the kick  
> goes
> > > from punchy with a herable tick at the beginng to moody without  
> the
> > > hearable tick. And I dont like this behavour. but I can sample the
> > > right kick for me an use it as a sample.
> > >
> > > I only want to know if my MD ist ok or not!
> > >
> > > greetz
> > >
> > > LArs
> > >
> > > --- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, <Cosmiq@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > As a matter of fact, I don't really get your 'bug'? I mean,  
> when I
> > > try to make something similar with that exact patch, I get the  
> same
> > > result. And it's fine the way it is! I don't really hear a bug.  
> Maybe
> > > you mean that each of the basses are sounding slightly  
> different, but
> > > that is what makes it a synth-generated bass and not a sampled one
> > > (which is always the same). Or should I notice something else  
> in the
> > > posted MP3?
> > > > -Chris
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ---- daniel_elektron <daniel@> schrijft:
> > > > >
> > > > > Just be sure that bug discussions don't end in a forum or
> mailing list
> > > > > where it can be stuck forever. "Every bug we can recreate we
> can fix"
> > > > > is like a mantra I keep repeating. Make an easy to follow
> description
> > > > > how to get the bug materialise from an empty kit and pattern
> and send
> > > > > it off to support@elektron. State what OS you use (it helps if
> you use
> > > > > the latest posted) And voila, if we can get the same bug as
> you, in
> > > > > the next update it's gone.
> > > > >
> > > > > We do pick up reports from this yahoo list and elektron- 
> users from
> > > > > time to time, but usually we need to get in contact with the
> reporter
> > > > > and get a more detailed description, so the only reliable way
> is to
> > > > > write your guide how to find the bug from an empty pattern  
> and kit
> > > > > (empty or factory reset first is preferred so we can follow  
> from a
> > > > > clean start, but we can't require people to do that) send a
> mail with
> > > > > your bug-hunt guide and we'll squach it if it's there.
> > > > >
> > > > > Note that most (like 80%) of the reports ends up being
> something else
> > > > > than bugs, like side-effects or some setting the reporter
> didn't think
> > > > > about.
> > > > >
> > > > > Sometimes when reading forums you can get the impressions
> there are
> > > > > many bugs and problems with our gear, but I'd say they are  
> really
> > > > > realiable, and we use them ourselves on stage like so many  
> others.
> > > > >
> > > > > In the upcoming OS1.32 we've emptied the bug list for all  
> reported
> > > > > ones, but I've never heard of any B2-bug.
> > > > >
> > > > > ...but for an evolving project like the MD and the Mono OS
> there is
> > > > > always a risk that we add bugs as we add features. All I can
> say that
> > > > > we're doing our best with all kind of tough stress tests  
> (heat,
> > > > > voltage and input stress for hardware and all-round use and
> > > > > input/sequencer stress for software.
> > > > >
> > > > > Daniel, Elektron
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, Tarekith <Tarekith@>  
> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I've gotten it a couple times with mine, a bug I'd say.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On 6/26/06, damon <damon@> wrote:
> > > > > > > I don't get it with mine. I'm running 1.30 (not 1.30b,  
> I've
> > > read too
> > > > > > > many weird issues and didn't see anything it fixed that  
> I care
> > > about)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --
> > > > > > Tarekith
> > > > > > http://www.tarekith.com
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>
>

--- daniel_elektron <daniel@...> schrieb:


> Sometimes when reading forums you can get the
> impressions there are
> many bugs and problems with our gear, but I'd say
> they are really
> realiable, and we use them ourselves on stage like
> so many others.
> 

I had 6 gigs now with the Md and 1 gig crashed by that
songmode button, i havent had a song programmed...
ok..thats a feature and no bug...but realiable has
also something to do with easyness off handling... at
least such "features" dont create the most reliable
feeling... aswell that many operations that are
essential to liveplaying are only accesible with
double keystrokes that make one hand handling an
unreliable thing...
And i had 2 times weard things with the outputs
happening... seems that a midiloop in clocking can
bring the MD in a state of seeing out C as Out D or
the other way around...
Nothing i was able to repeat yet...just an idea...
and Hanging notes on the midimachines on
patternchages...

Many people use the MD...but for stage use?..its
rather a studio machine than a stage tool...
At least it dont feels very reliable for me...at least
not yet...
Too many issues for 6 gigs.
I am doing stage things with drummachines for 23 years
now...so i have quite a few experiances with other
products...
The MD has many nice features...but also many strange
handling arrangements... little things sometimes like
that the song/pattern and global are sharing one
button while Kit and songsettup share another...
ok..no big thing... but i just mention it because its
quite exemplaric how things are structured in the
Md... It appears to be a work in progress box where
many features have been added one after the other
reaching a state where the controls are not optimal
used anymore... But that is that waht i want from a
drummachine on stage..
Good working controls...spontanius access...reliable
performance factor... That there is no return to the
saved state of a pattern can be seen as a good
sportsman attitude...but...
A good sportsman attitude dont likes to press multiple
buttons to deo a mute... and...sportsman or not..its
often just what you want on stage to freak the thing
up...do a break..and return to the initial theme...
Ok..you can make copys of the patterns before..and go
with a double keystrokee to another pattern page...
But that is again not really the optimal solutioin for
beeing spontanious on stage..or?
I allready was thinking about an extra faderbox to
remote the MD...but than we get to a point where the
concept of a hardware drummachine gets a bit
questionable... At least..the MD is versatile enough
to allow such arrangements... In the studio its an
allmost ideal drumcomputer...but...
The only thing that makes the MD real nice on stage it
is szise..
With the other features i ask myself sometimes if
stage use was intended at all..

Sorry to say that... I still refused to sell it again
because i like it somehow..But its defenetly the most
problematic drummachine i had on stage yet... And this
mainly because conceptional things than real bugs...




	

	
		
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Hi Silvia,

I couldn't agree with you more.   I have the same opinions as you, but I also see the positive aspects of the Machinedrum because it is so nice for drum pattern creation and hands-on tweaking.

A few years ago, I posted some very similar complaints on the elektron-users website and emailed elektron directly, too.  Nobody took my complaints seriously.   Now you seem to have the exact same issues that I had - primarily, the double keystrokes, and the "danger" of pressing a wrong button live and switching the song/pattern/kit/etc by mistake.

My suggestion to get around these issues was to create a new "live performance" mode where the front panel controls for would be different than the normal modes (i.e. classic and extended), where frequent commands (i.e. mutes) would always be accessible and the "danger" keystrokes to load new patterns/modes/kits would be disabled or made intentionally more difficult to execute.

Scott

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Silvia Tubig 
  To: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 3:20 PM
  Subject: Re: [elektron] problems with the sound of the trx bd2



  --- daniel_elektron <daniel@...> schrieb:

  > Sometimes when reading forums you can get the
  > impressions there are
  > many bugs and problems with our gear, but I'd say
  > they are really
  > realiable, and we use them ourselves on stage like
  > so many others.
  > 

  I had 6 gigs now with the Md and 1 gig crashed by that
  songmode button, i havent had a song programmed...
  ok..thats a feature and no bug...but realiable has
  also something to do with easyness off handling... at
  least such "features" dont create the most reliable
  feeling... aswell that many operations that are
  essential to liveplaying are only accesible with
  double keystrokes that make one hand handling an
  unreliable thing...
  And i had 2 times weard things with the outputs
  happening... seems that a midiloop in clocking can
  bring the MD in a state of seeing out C as Out D or
  the other way around...
  Nothing i was able to repeat yet...just an idea...
  and Hanging notes on the midimachines on
  patternchages...

  Many people use the MD...but for stage use?..its
  rather a studio machine than a stage tool...
  At least it dont feels very reliable for me...at least
  not yet...
  Too many issues for 6 gigs.
  I am doing stage things with drummachines for 23 years
  now...so i have quite a few experiances with other
  products...
  The MD has many nice features...but also many strange
  handling arrangements... little things sometimes like
  that the song/pattern and global are sharing one
  button while Kit and songsettup share another...
  ok..no big thing... but i just mention it because its
  quite exemplaric how things are structured in the
  Md... It appears to be a work in progress box where
  many features have been added one after the other
  reaching a state where the controls are not optimal
  used anymore... But that is that waht i want from a
  drummachine on stage..
  Good working controls...spontanius access...reliable
  performance factor... That there is no return to the
  saved state of a pattern can be seen as a good
  sportsman attitude...but...
  A good sportsman attitude dont likes to press multiple
  buttons to deo a mute... and...sportsman or not..its
  often just what you want on stage to freak the thing
  up...do a break..and return to the initial theme...
  Ok..you can make copys of the patterns before..and go
  with a double keystrokee to another pattern page...
  But that is again not really the optimal solutioin for
  beeing spontanious on stage..or?
  I allready was thinking about an extra faderbox to
  remote the MD...but than we get to a point where the
  concept of a hardware drummachine gets a bit
  questionable... At least..the MD is versatile enough
  to allow such arrangements... In the studio its an
  allmost ideal drumcomputer...but...
  The only thing that makes the MD real nice on stage it
  is szise..
  With the other features i ask myself sometimes if
  stage use was intended at all..

  Sorry to say that... I still refused to sell it again
  because i like it somehow..But its defenetly the most
  problematic drummachine i had on stage yet... And this
  mainly because conceptional things than real bugs...





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I think that quite a few users are not satisfied with
that but within the general hype and happiness about
the MD the are going over it and dont complain... 
ok...it\ufffds possible to get used to it... but it dont
helps the development when there are no critical
voices.
After 8 month with the box the access to the mute page
dont hurts anymore... but i still have to look twice
when i have to change a pattern...
this should have a better optical
identification..theese half blinking of the selected
pattern is somehow......lets say its weak..especially
when the lightguys try theire red light... 

There are also many undocumented features... 
I ve seen on the Elektron webpage that they plan to do
something in that direction.

S


--- synthyscott <synthysyzor@...> schrieb:

> Hi Silvia,
> 
> I couldn't agree with you more.   I have the same
> opinions as you, but I also see the positive aspects
> of the Machinedrum because it is so nice for drum
> pattern creation and hands-on tweaking.
> 
> A few years ago, I posted some very similar
> complaints on the elektron-users website and emailed
> elektron directly, too.  Nobody took my complaints
> seriously.   Now you seem to have the exact same
> issues that I had - primarily, the double
> keystrokes, and the "danger" of pressing a wrong
> button live and switching the song/pattern/kit/etc
> by mistake.
> 
> My suggestion to get around these issues was to
> create a new "live performance" mode where the front
> panel controls for would be different than the
> normal modes (i.e. classic and extended), where
> frequent commands (i.e. mutes) would always be
> accessible and the "danger" keystrokes to load new
> patterns/modes/kits would be disabled or made
> intentionally more difficult to execute.
> 
> Scott
> 
> 
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: Silvia Tubig 
>   To: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com 
>   Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 3:20 PM
>   Subject: Re: [elektron] problems with the sound of
> the trx bd2
> 
> 
> 
>   --- daniel_elektron <daniel@...> schrieb:
> 
>   > Sometimes when reading forums you can get the
>   > impressions there are
>   > many bugs and problems with our gear, but I'd
> say
>   > they are really
>   > realiable, and we use them ourselves on stage
> like
>   > so many others.
>   > 
> 
>   I had 6 gigs now with the Md and 1 gig crashed by
> that
>   songmode button, i havent had a song programmed...
>   ok..thats a feature and no bug...but realiable has
>   also something to do with easyness off handling...
> at
>   least such "features" dont create the most
> reliable
>   feeling... aswell that many operations that are
>   essential to liveplaying are only accesible with
>   double keystrokes that make one hand handling an
>   unreliable thing...
>   And i had 2 times weard things with the outputs
>   happening... seems that a midiloop in clocking can
>   bring the MD in a state of seeing out C as Out D
> or
>   the other way around...
>   Nothing i was able to repeat yet...just an idea...
>   and Hanging notes on the midimachines on
>   patternchages...
> 
>   Many people use the MD...but for stage use?..its
>   rather a studio machine than a stage tool...
>   At least it dont feels very reliable for me...at
> least
>   not yet...
>   Too many issues for 6 gigs.
>   I am doing stage things with drummachines for 23
> years
>   now...so i have quite a few experiances with other
>   products...
>   The MD has many nice features...but also many
> strange
>   handling arrangements... little things sometimes
> like
>   that the song/pattern and global are sharing one
>   button while Kit and songsettup share another...
>   ok..no big thing... but i just mention it because
> its
>   quite exemplaric how things are structured in the
>   Md... It appears to be a work in progress box
> where
>   many features have been added one after the other
>   reaching a state where the controls are not
> optimal
>   used anymore... But that is that waht i want from
> a
>   drummachine on stage..
>   Good working controls...spontanius
> access...reliable
>   performance factor... That there is no return to
> the
>   saved state of a pattern can be seen as a good
>   sportsman attitude...but...
>   A good sportsman attitude dont likes to press
> multiple
>   buttons to deo a mute... and...sportsman or
> not..its
>   often just what you want on stage to freak the
> thing
>   up...do a break..and return to the initial
> theme...
>   Ok..you can make copys of the patterns before..and
> go
>   with a double keystrokee to another pattern
> page...
>   But that is again not really the optimal solutioin
> for
>   beeing spontanious on stage..or?
>   I allready was thinking about an extra faderbox to
>   remote the MD...but than we get to a point where
> the
>   concept of a hardware drummachine gets a bit
>   questionable... At least..the MD is versatile
> enough
>   to allow such arrangements... In the studio its an
>   allmost ideal drumcomputer...but...
>   The only thing that makes the MD real nice on
> stage it
>   is szise..
>   With the other features i ask myself sometimes if
>   stage use was intended at all..
> 
>   Sorry to say that... I still refused to sell it
> again
>   because i like it somehow..But its defenetly the
> most
>   problematic drummachine i had on stage yet... And
> this
>   mainly because conceptional things than real
> bugs...
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  
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