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2006-09-17 by iiwiiman
What experiences have people had using Live as a sequencer for the MD? If you have just the base chanel for MD in live armed for record does it only playback the notes for whatever kit the MD is on? What other information does it hold? Can i record my patterns into Live with extra midi chanels (ie. base + 1 for track 1-4, base + 2 tracks 5-8 etc) open for CC messages? Would like to make longer sequences and essential have just one sequencer.
2006-09-18 by Sr. Minimo
If you want to use Live to sequence the you might just want to sample the sounds and load them into Live, un less you want to tweak some stuff on the MD as you record the Live sequence. Still, the sequencer in the MD, although more time consuming, is way more powerfull to control the MD than controlling the MD with any outside sequencer. Yes you can record different MIDI channels on Live, but they're not open to CC messages. --- iiwiiman <spencer@...> wrote: > What experiences have people had using Live as a > sequencer for the MD? > If you have just the base chanel for MD in live > armed for record does > it only playback the notes for whatever kit the MD > is on? What other > information does it hold? Can i record my patterns > into Live with > extra midi chanels (ie. base + 1 for track 1-4, base > + 2 tracks 5-8 > etc) open for CC messages? Would like to make longer > sequences and > essential have just one sequencer. > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
2006-09-18 by Spencer Drennan
.so if I have four midi channels open base + CC info and arm record then tweak while playing it will record actions correct? What about kit reference where is that information held? My thinking is that you could noodle then listen back to the recorded tweaks and pick your best loops. I'm just not sure when this midi clip is played back in the future that it would reference the correct kits involved. _____
From: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com [mailto:elektron-users@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Sr. Minimo Sent: September 18, 2006 8:19 AM To: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [elektron] live as a sequencer for MD If you want to use Live to sequence the you might just want to sample the sounds and load them into Live, un less you want to tweak some stuff on the MD as you record the Live sequence. Still, the sequencer in the MD, although more time consuming, is way more powerfull to control the MD than controlling the MD with any outside sequencer. Yes you can record different MIDI channels on Live, but they're not open to CC messages. --- iiwiiman <spencer@itiswhatiti <mailto:spencer%40itiswhatitisrecordings.com> srecordings.com> wrote: > What experiences have people had using Live as a > sequencer for the MD? > If you have just the base chanel for MD in live > armed for record does > it only playback the notes for whatever kit the MD > is on? What other > information does it hold? Can i record my patterns > into Live with > extra midi chanels (ie. base + 1 for track 1-4, base > + 2 tracks 5-8 > etc) open for CC messages? Would like to make longer > sequences and > essential have just one sequencer. > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail. <http://mail.yahoo.com> yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2006-09-18 by Spencer Drennan
.also can you not tweak the MD while Live is playing these MD clips? Even if there is CC messages recorded in Live for each track is it possible to still alter these in the MD while Live is playing? _____
From: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com [mailto:elektron-users@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Sr. Minimo Sent: September 18, 2006 8:19 AM To: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [elektron] live as a sequencer for MD If you want to use Live to sequence the you might just want to sample the sounds and load them into Live, un less you want to tweak some stuff on the MD as you record the Live sequence. Still, the sequencer in the MD, although more time consuming, is way more powerfull to control the MD than controlling the MD with any outside sequencer. Yes you can record different MIDI channels on Live, but they're not open to CC messages. --- iiwiiman <spencer@itiswhatiti <mailto:spencer%40itiswhatitisrecordings.com> srecordings.com> wrote: > What experiences have people had using Live as a > sequencer for the MD? > If you have just the base chanel for MD in live > armed for record does > it only playback the notes for whatever kit the MD > is on? What other > information does it hold? Can i record my patterns > into Live with > extra midi chanels (ie. base + 1 for track 1-4, base > + 2 tracks 5-8 > etc) open for CC messages? Would like to make longer > sequences and > essential have just one sequencer. > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail. <http://mail.yahoo.com> yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2006-09-18 by Jesse
2 my knowledge you cannot record lock parameters via midi from the MD... just record the audio and slice & dice that!
----- Original Message ----- From: Spencer Drennan To: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 11:53 AM Subject: RE: [elektron] live as a sequencer for MD .so if I have four midi channels open base + CC info and arm record then tweak while playing it will record actions correct? What about kit reference where is that information held? My thinking is that you could noodle then listen back to the recorded tweaks and pick your best loops. I'm just not sure when this midi clip is played back in the future that it would reference the correct kits involved. _____ From: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com [mailto:elektron-users@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Sr. Minimo Sent: September 18, 2006 8:19 AM To: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [elektron] live as a sequencer for MD If you want to use Live to sequence the you might just want to sample the sounds and load them into Live, un less you want to tweak some stuff on the MD as you record the Live sequence. Still, the sequencer in the MD, although more time consuming, is way more powerfull to control the MD than controlling the MD with any outside sequencer. Yes you can record different MIDI channels on Live, but they're not open to CC messages. --- iiwiiman <spencer@itiswhatiti <mailto:spencer%40itiswhatitisrecordings.com> srecordings.com> wrote: > What experiences have people had using Live as a > sequencer for the MD? > If you have just the base chanel for MD in live > armed for record does > it only playback the notes for whatever kit the MD > is on? What other > information does it hold? Can i record my patterns > into Live with > extra midi chanels (ie. base + 1 for track 1-4, base > + 2 tracks 5-8 > etc) open for CC messages? Would like to make longer > sequences and > essential have just one sequencer. > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail. <http://mail.yahoo.com> yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2006-09-18 by Tarekith
Ditto, I too found this more or less the most flexible way to use the MD in my set up. On 9/18/06, Jesse <jesse@...> wrote: > 2 my knowledge you cannot record lock parameters via midi from the MD... > just record the audio and slice & dice that! > -- Tarekith http://www.tarekith.com
2006-09-18 by Jesse
I think at first many including myself get hung up on recording midi notes, data, etc.... After some time I find I record midi rarely (perhaps from its limitations) and spend way more time manipulating audio after the fact and concentrating on using the MDs internal sequencer/song mode to store my song data. Relying on my DAW mostly for recording audio and machine control (for starts/stops etc...) -JC
----- Original Message ----- From: Tarekith To: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 1:22 PM Subject: Re: [elektron] live as a sequencer for MD Ditto, I too found this more or less the most flexible way to use the MD in my set up. On 9/18/06, Jesse <jesse@...> wrote: > 2 my knowledge you cannot record lock parameters via midi from the MD... > just record the audio and slice & dice that! > -- Tarekith http://www.tarekith.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2006-09-18 by Tarekith
That's exactly the conclusions I've come too as well. Now I just play my synth parts and drums live and record as audio in SX. Any manipulations I do to the audio, and just ignore MIDI for most things. Far faster, and with todays tools, I think it may honestly be more powerful. On 9/18/06, Jesse <jesse@...> wrote: > I think at first many including myself get hung up on recording midi notes, data, etc.... > > After some time I find I record midi rarely (perhaps from its limitations) and spend way more time manipulating audio after the fact and concentrating on using the MDs internal sequencer/song mode to store my song data. > Relying on my DAW mostly for recording audio and machine control (for starts/stops etc...) > > -JC > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Tarekith > To: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 1:22 PM > Subject: Re: [elektron] live as a sequencer for MD > > > Ditto, I too found this more or less the most flexible way to use the > MD in my set up. > > On 9/18/06, Jesse <jesse@...> wrote: > > 2 my knowledge you cannot record lock parameters via midi from the MD... > > just record the audio and slice & dice that! > > > > -- > Tarekith > http://www.tarekith.com > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > -- Tarekith http://www.tarekith.com
2006-09-19 by Sr. Minimo
No, sorry. What I'm saying is that you can tweak things as the sequence runs and record them as AUDIO. Then you can always slice up the parts you like, or record as many times as possible, but not record MIDI data. Sorry for the confusion. --- Spencer Drennan <spencer@...> wrote: > .so if I have four midi channels open base + CC info > and arm record then > tweak while playing it will record actions correct? > What about kit reference > where is that information held? My thinking is that > you could noodle then > listen back to the recorded tweaks and pick your > best loops. I'm just not > sure when this midi clip is played back in the > future that it would > reference the correct kits involved. > > > > _____ > > From: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:elektron-users@yahoogroups.com] > On Behalf Of Sr. Minimo > Sent: September 18, 2006 8:19 AM > To: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [elektron] live as a sequencer for MD > > > > If you want to use Live to sequence the you might > just > want to sample the sounds and load them into Live, > un > less you want to tweak some stuff on the MD as you > record the Live sequence. Still, the sequencer in > the > MD, although more time consuming, is way more > powerfull to control the MD than controlling the MD > with any outside sequencer. Yes you can record > different MIDI channels on Live, but they're not > open > to CC messages. > > --- iiwiiman <spencer@itiswhatiti > <mailto:spencer%40itiswhatitisrecordings.com> > srecordings.com> > wrote: > > > What experiences have people had using Live as a > > sequencer for the MD? > > If you have just the base chanel for MD in live > > armed for record does > > it only playback the notes for whatever kit the MD > > is on? What other > > information does it hold? Can i record my patterns > > into Live with > > extra midi chanels (ie. base + 1 for track 1-4, > base > > + 2 tracks 5-8 > > etc) open for CC messages? Would like to make > longer > > sequences and > > essential have just one sequencer. > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > http://mail. <http://mail.yahoo.com> yahoo.com > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
2006-09-19 by roby@sweet-trip.net
Well you can record MIDI note data from the MD sequence to Live, and you can only record realtime MIDI CC tweaks from the MD to Live, but NOT parameter locks. In other words, if you made a complex pattern that has lots of parameter locks and you try to record that into Live, only the notes will be recorded. But if you record the pattern while, let's say turning a delay knob, that will be recorded into Live. As far as kits is concerned, you can use program changes. The thing is that program changes in the MD only changes patterns, not kits themselves. you would have to assign a kit to a pattern and then assign that pattern to a program change number and enter that value in Live. Live does not support SysEx. Off-topic: it would be great if the MD's sequencer had a 64/64 timing like the Monomachine... 32 steps is not enough > No, sorry. What I'm saying is that you can tweak > things as the sequence runs and record them as AUDIO. > Then you can always slice up the parts you like, or > record as many times as possible, but not record MIDI > data. Sorry for the confusion. > > > > --- Spencer Drennan > <spencer@...> wrote: > >> .so if I have four midi channels open base + CC info >> and arm record then >> tweak while playing it will record actions correct? >> What about kit reference >> where is that information held? My thinking is that >> you could noodle then >> listen back to the recorded tweaks and pick your >> best loops. I'm just not >> sure when this midi clip is played back in the >> future that it would >> reference the correct kits involved. >> >> >> >> _____ >> >> From: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com >> [mailto:elektron-users@yahoogroups.com] >> On Behalf Of Sr. Minimo >> Sent: September 18, 2006 8:19 AM >> To: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com >> Subject: Re: [elektron] live as a sequencer for MD >> >> >> >> If you want to use Live to sequence the you might >> just >> want to sample the sounds and load them into Live, >> un >> less you want to tweak some stuff on the MD as you >> record the Live sequence. Still, the sequencer in >> the >> MD, although more time consuming, is way more >> powerfull to control the MD than controlling the MD >> with any outside sequencer. Yes you can record >> different MIDI channels on Live, but they're not >> open >> to CC messages. >> >> --- iiwiiman <spencer@itiswhatiti >> <mailto:spencer%40itiswhatitisrecordings.com> >> srecordings.com> >> wrote: >> >> > What experiences have people had using Live as a >> > sequencer for the MD? >> > If you have just the base chanel for MD in live >> > armed for record does >> > it only playback the notes for whatever kit the MD >> > is on? What other >> > information does it hold? Can i record my patterns >> > into Live with >> > extra midi chanels (ie. base + 1 for track 1-4, >> base >> > + 2 tracks 5-8 >> > etc) open for CC messages? Would like to make >> longer >> > sequences and >> > essential have just one sequencer. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >> __________________________________________________ >> Do You Yahoo!? >> Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam >> protection around >> http://mail. <http://mail.yahoo.com> yahoo.com >> >> >> >> >> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been >> removed] >> >> > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > /roby //www.sweet-trip.net
2006-09-19 by Jesse
>Off-topic: it would be great if the MD's sequencer had a 64/64 timing like >the Monomachine... 32 steps is not enough I could not agree more... 64, 128, whatever, I am sick of chaining patterns in song mode!!!
----- Original Message ----- From: roby@... To: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2006 1:07 PM Subject: RE: [elektron] live as a sequencer for MD Well you can record MIDI note data from the MD sequence to Live, and you can only record realtime MIDI CC tweaks from the MD to Live, but NOT parameter locks. In other words, if you made a complex pattern that has lots of parameter locks and you try to record that into Live, only the notes will be recorded. But if you record the pattern while, let's say turning a delay knob, that will be recorded into Live. As far as kits is concerned, you can use program changes. The thing is that program changes in the MD only changes patterns, not kits themselves. you would have to assign a kit to a pattern and then assign that pattern to a program change number and enter that value in Live. Live does not support SysEx. Off-topic: it would be great if the MD's sequencer had a 64/64 timing like the Monomachine... 32 steps is not enough > No, sorry. What I'm saying is that you can tweak > things as the sequence runs and record them as AUDIO. > Then you can always slice up the parts you like, or > record as many times as possible, but not record MIDI > data. Sorry for the confusion. > > > > --- Spencer Drennan > <spencer@...> wrote: > >> .so if I have four midi channels open base + CC info >> and arm record then >> tweak while playing it will record actions correct? >> What about kit reference >> where is that information held? My thinking is that >> you could noodle then >> listen back to the recorded tweaks and pick your >> best loops. I'm just not >> sure when this midi clip is played back in the >> future that it would >> reference the correct kits involved. >> >> >> >> _____ >> >> From: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com >> [mailto:elektron-users@yahoogroups.com] >> On Behalf Of Sr. Minimo >> Sent: September 18, 2006 8:19 AM >> To: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com >> Subject: Re: [elektron] live as a sequencer for MD >> >> >> >> If you want to use Live to sequence the you might >> just >> want to sample the sounds and load them into Live, >> un >> less you want to tweak some stuff on the MD as you >> record the Live sequence. Still, the sequencer in >> the >> MD, although more time consuming, is way more >> powerfull to control the MD than controlling the MD >> with any outside sequencer. Yes you can record >> different MIDI channels on Live, but they're not >> open >> to CC messages. >> >> --- iiwiiman <spencer@itiswhatiti >> <mailto:spencer%40itiswhatitisrecordings.com> >> srecordings.com> >> wrote: >> >> > What experiences have people had using Live as a >> > sequencer for the MD? >> > If you have just the base chanel for MD in live >> > armed for record does >> > it only playback the notes for whatever kit the MD >> > is on? What other >> > information does it hold? Can i record my patterns >> > into Live with >> > extra midi chanels (ie. base + 1 for track 1-4, >> base >> > + 2 tracks 5-8 >> > etc) open for CC messages? Would like to make >> longer >> > sequences and >> > essential have just one sequencer. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >> __________________________________________________ >> Do You Yahoo!? >> Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam >> protection around >> http://mail. <http://mail.yahoo.com> yahoo.com >> >> >> >> >> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been >> removed] >> >> > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > /roby //www.sweet-trip.net [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2006-09-19 by Tarekith
I couldn't agree more! I'd love to have at least 4 measure patterns in the MD. On 9/19/06, roby@... <roby@...> wrote: > Off-topic: it would be great if the MD's sequencer had a 64/64 timing like > the Monomachine... 32 steps is not enough -- Tarekith http://www.tarekith.com
2006-09-19 by spencer
is this something they can address in the OS? Tarekith writes:
> I couldn't agree more! I'd love to have at least 4 measure patterns in the MD. > > On 9/19/06, roby@... <roby@...> wrote: > >> Off-topic: it would be great if the MD's sequencer had a 64/64 timing like >> the Monomachine... 32 steps is not enough > > > > -- > Tarekith > http://www.tarekith.com
2006-09-19 by Jesse
I would assume it is not possible with the current MD hw....
----- Original Message ----- From: spencer To: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2006 2:33 PM Subject: Re: [elektron] live as a sequencer for MD is this something they can address in the OS? Tarekith writes: > I couldn't agree more! I'd love to have at least 4 measure patterns in the MD. > > On 9/19/06, roby@... <roby@...> wrote: > >> Off-topic: it would be great if the MD's sequencer had a 64/64 timing like >> the Monomachine... 32 steps is not enough > > > > -- > Tarekith > http://www.tarekith.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2006-09-19 by Chris Thomas
You can chain two patterns together to achieve a 4 bar pattern. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2006-09-19 by Tarekith
Sure,.and use song mode to do it too. Just means flipping back and forth a lot between patterns, versus being able to quickly move around in just one. On 9/19/06, Chris Thomas <ecksfive@...> wrote: > You can chain two patterns together to achieve a 4 bar pattern. -- Tarekith http://www.tarekith.com
2006-09-19 by Jesse
Perhaps I have missed something, You can loop 2 Patterns together, but usually I'll just make a short song to chain together patterns... Can you chain together more than 2 X 32/32 patterns, say 3 or 4? -JC
----- Original Message ----- From: Tarekith To: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2006 3:32 PM Subject: Re: [elektron] live as a sequencer for MD Sure,.and use song mode to do it too. Just means flipping back and forth a lot between patterns, versus being able to quickly move around in just one. On 9/19/06, Chris Thomas <ecksfive@...> wrote: > You can chain two patterns together to achieve a 4 bar pattern. -- Tarekith http://www.tarekith.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2006-09-19 by roby@sweet-trip.net
yes > Perhaps I have missed something, You can loop 2 Patterns together, but > usually I'll just make a short song to chain together patterns... > > Can you chain together more than 2 X 32/32 patterns, say 3 or 4? > > -JC > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Tarekith > To: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2006 3:32 PM > Subject: Re: [elektron] live as a sequencer for MD > > > Sure,.and use song mode to do it too. Just means flipping back and > forth a lot between patterns, versus being able to quickly move around > in just one. > > On 9/19/06, Chris Thomas <ecksfive@...> wrote: > > You can chain two patterns together to achieve a 4 bar pattern. > > -- > Tarekith > http://www.tarekith.com > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > /roby //www.sweet-trip.net
2006-09-19 by Tarekith
Yes, just keep pressing new pattern select buttons while holding down the first one. You can chain up to 16, but not the same one twice. On 9/19/06, Jesse <jesse@...> wrote: > Perhaps I have missed something, You can loop 2 Patterns together, but usually I'll just make a short song to chain together patterns... > > Can you chain together more than 2 X 32/32 patterns, say 3 or 4? > > -JC > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Tarekith > To: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2006 3:32 PM > Subject: Re: [elektron] live as a sequencer for MD > > > Sure,.and use song mode to do it too. Just means flipping back and > forth a lot between patterns, versus being able to quickly move around > in just one. > > On 9/19/06, Chris Thomas <ecksfive@...> wrote: > > You can chain two patterns together to achieve a 4 bar pattern. > > -- > Tarekith > http://www.tarekith.com > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > -- Tarekith http://www.tarekith.com
2006-09-19 by Jesse
Cool, guess this makes me feel a little better... I've been using song mode all this time to do that!!
----- Original Message ----- From: Tarekith To: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2006 4:16 PM Subject: Re: [elektron] live as a sequencer for MD Yes, just keep pressing new pattern select buttons while holding down the first one. You can chain up to 16, but not the same one twice. On 9/19/06, Jesse <jesse@...> wrote: > Perhaps I have missed something, You can loop 2 Patterns together, but usually I'll just make a short song to chain together patterns... > > Can you chain together more than 2 X 32/32 patterns, say 3 or 4? > > -JC > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Tarekith > To: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2006 3:32 PM > Subject: Re: [elektron] live as a sequencer for MD > > > Sure,.and use song mode to do it too. Just means flipping back and > forth a lot between patterns, versus being able to quickly move around > in just one. > > On 9/19/06, Chris Thomas <ecksfive@...> wrote: > > You can chain two patterns together to achieve a 4 bar pattern. > > -- > Tarekith > http://www.tarekith.com > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > -- Tarekith http://www.tarekith.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2006-09-20 by Robert Krueger
Tarekith wrote: > I couldn't agree more! I'd love to have at least 4 measure patterns in the MD. > That's the one limitation that annoys me most. Thumbs up to more measures and step resolutions