Elektron Musical Instruments

Hi, 
 
I am having some serious sync issues with both Ableton Live 7 and
Cubase SX and my MDMKII UW. Basically I can trigger sounds no sweat
from either program, but I want to program drums live on my MD not the
cpu sequencer.
 
First Ableton:
 
Timing is horrible on with Ableton. BPM seems to jump up and down and
randomly stop for a brief moment and start again.  At least start and
stop messages take place between ableton and MD. I have everything set
up right for sure, so I'm not sure what's with the sync issues.  
 
Second Cubase SX:
 
I can trigger all sounds no sweat, but no sync period. Start/stop
messages do not work at all and tempo will not lock either. In fact,
my MD won't even change to the Cubase tempo. This may be a Cubase
setting issue, but before I popped the MD into the mix all was well
with sync in my setup with my other synths. 
 
So if you could please help or offer advice it would be extremely
helpful. My rig is as follows: CPU usb out to Novation Remote SL37 out
to MD. All other synth run off the 2nd midi out of the Novation
Remote. I also have a MOTU Ultralite Firewire as my soundcard and have
tried the midi there with the same results. My cpu is running Vista
with 4gigs of ram and has a Core 2 Duo chip at  2.5GHz if that helps.
I don't think its a cpu issue as everything else locked up fine before
the MD entered the equation. Maybe you can offer another way of
setting this rig up? MD as master possibly with cpu syncing to it and
my other gear syncing too? I will try that again, but not so sure
that's the best way or that it will even work how I like.
 
Cheers!

Are you sure you have the MD set up correctly to receive midi clock?
In th Global menu, you have to have both tempo and ctrl in set to
external.  I've never had good luck getting super tight sync with
Ableton and my MD, but I'm surprised that Cubase is doing this too.
Maybe check out this thread as well:

http://www.ableton.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=98876&highlight=midi+clocl

There's a few more threads on the subject there too if you do a search.

On Sat, Oct 25, 2008 at 7:27 PM, janzer_v1
<droppinscience2000@...> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I am having some serious sync issues with both Ableton Live 7 and
> Cubase SX and my MDMKII UW. Basically I can trigger sounds no sweat
> from either program, but I want to program drums live on my MD not the
> cpu sequencer.
>
> First Ableton:
>
> Timing is horrible on with Ableton. BPM seems to jump up and down and
> randomly stop for a brief moment and start again.  At least start and
> stop messages take place between ableton and MD. I have everything set
> up right for sure, so I'm not sure what's with the sync issues.
>
> Second Cubase SX:
>
> I can trigger all sounds no sweat, but no sync period. Start/stop
> messages do not work at all and tempo will not lock either. In fact,
> my MD won't even change to the Cubase tempo. This may be a Cubase
> setting issue, but before I popped the MD into the mix all was well
> with sync in my setup with my other synths.
>
> So if you could please help or offer advice it would be extremely
> helpful. My rig is as follows: CPU usb out to Novation Remote SL37 out
> to MD. All other synth run off the 2nd midi out of the Novation
> Remote. I also have a MOTU Ultralite Firewire as my soundcard and have
> tried the midi there with the same results. My cpu is running Vista
> with 4gigs of ram and has a Core 2 Duo chip at  2.5GHz if that helps.
> I don't think its a cpu issue as everything else locked up fine before
> the MD entered the equation. Maybe you can offer another way of
> setting this rig up? MD as master possibly with cpu syncing to it and
> my other gear syncing too? I will try that again, but not so sure
> that's the best way or that it will even work how I like.
>
> Cheers!
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>



-- 
Tarekith
http://tarekith.com

Hey! 

Thanks for the speedy response. It's setup right 100%. All midi
settings are correct in all my units. Ableton will send start/stop
messages to the MD and the MD can be triggered via Ableton.
Unfortunately, once playback is initiated sync runs out of time and
starts, stops, pauses briefly (milliseconds) and goes a bit haywire. 

As for cubase, it won't even send start/stop or timecode to the MD. I
think something is maybe out of whack with my Novation Remote SL37 and
cubase. Funny thing about all this is everything was ok until I worked
the MD into it all. I've been at this for two days now and I'm nothing
but frustrated. I've emailed Jon at Elektron tonight and I am waiting
for his response now. 

I see you have a Novation Remote and MOTU ULtralite as well, at least
it said so on your website ( I was checking out your tracks). Can you
tell me your global settings for midi in/out/sync on the Remote just
to make sure? If you are running cubase maybe you can tell me your
midi settings there as well. 

This has turned into 24hrs from hell!   

Thanks for the link to the info too. I'm going through it now! 

Cheers! 


--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, Tarekith <Tarekith@...> wrote:

>
> Are you sure you have the MD set up correctly to receive midi clock?
> In th Global menu, you have to have both tempo and ctrl in set to
> external.  I've never had good luck getting super tight sync with
> Ableton and my MD, but I'm surprised that Cubase is doing this too.
> Maybe check out this thread as well:
> 
> http://www.ableton.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=98876&highlight=midi+clocl
> 
> There's a few more threads on the subject there too if you do a search.
> 
> On Sat, Oct 25, 2008 at 7:27 PM, janzer_v1
> <droppinscience2000@...> wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > I am having some serious sync issues with both Ableton Live 7 and
> > Cubase SX and my MDMKII UW. Basically I can trigger sounds no sweat
> > from either program, but I want to program drums live on my MD not the
> > cpu sequencer.
> >
> > First Ableton:
> >
> > Timing is horrible on with Ableton. BPM seems to jump up and down and
> > randomly stop for a brief moment and start again.  At least start and
> > stop messages take place between ableton and MD. I have everything set
> > up right for sure, so I'm not sure what's with the sync issues.
> >
> > Second Cubase SX:
> >
> > I can trigger all sounds no sweat, but no sync period. Start/stop
> > messages do not work at all and tempo will not lock either. In fact,
> > my MD won't even change to the Cubase tempo. This may be a Cubase
> > setting issue, but before I popped the MD into the mix all was well
> > with sync in my setup with my other synths.
> >
> > So if you could please help or offer advice it would be extremely
> > helpful. My rig is as follows: CPU usb out to Novation Remote SL37 out
> > to MD. All other synth run off the 2nd midi out of the Novation
> > Remote. I also have a MOTU Ultralite Firewire as my soundcard and have
> > tried the midi there with the same results. My cpu is running Vista
> > with 4gigs of ram and has a Core 2 Duo chip at  2.5GHz if that helps.
> > I don't think its a cpu issue as everything else locked up fine before
> > the MD entered the equation. Maybe you can offer another way of
> > setting this rig up? MD as master possibly with cpu syncing to it and
> > my other gear syncing too? I will try that again, but not so sure
> > that's the best way or that it will even work how I like.
> >
> > Cheers!
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Tarekith
> http://tarekith.com
>

I don't use the SL for midi sync at all, I have a TurboMIDI or I use
the Ultralite, sorry.  Not using Cubase anymore either, Live or Logic
here (I'm on a Mac).

On Sat, Oct 25, 2008 at 9:05 PM, janzer_v1
<droppinscience2000@...> wrote:
> Hey!
>
> Thanks for the speedy response. It's setup right 100%. All midi
> settings are correct in all my units. Ableton will send start/stop
> messages to the MD and the MD can be triggered via Ableton.
> Unfortunately, once playback is initiated sync runs out of time and
> starts, stops, pauses briefly (milliseconds) and goes a bit haywire.
>
> As for cubase, it won't even send start/stop or timecode to the MD. I
> think something is maybe out of whack with my Novation Remote SL37 and
> cubase. Funny thing about all this is everything was ok until I worked
> the MD into it all. I've been at this for two days now and I'm nothing
> but frustrated. I've emailed Jon at Elektron tonight and I am waiting
> for his response now.
>
> I see you have a Novation Remote and MOTU ULtralite as well, at least
> it said so on your website ( I was checking out your tracks). Can you
> tell me your global settings for midi in/out/sync on the Remote just
> to make sure? If you are running cubase maybe you can tell me your
> midi settings there as well.
>
> This has turned into 24hrs from hell!
>
> Thanks for the link to the info too. I'm going through it now!
>
> Cheers!
>
>
> --- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, Tarekith <Tarekith@...> wrote:
>>
>> Are you sure you have the MD set up correctly to receive midi clock?
>> In th Global menu, you have to have both tempo and ctrl in set to
>> external.  I've never had good luck getting super tight sync with
>> Ableton and my MD, but I'm surprised that Cubase is doing this too.
>> Maybe check out this thread as well:
>>
>> http://www.ableton.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=98876&highlight=midi+clocl
>>
>> There's a few more threads on the subject there too if you do a search.
>>
>> On Sat, Oct 25, 2008 at 7:27 PM, janzer_v1
>> <droppinscience2000@...> wrote:
>> > Hi,
>> >
>> > I am having some serious sync issues with both Ableton Live 7 and
>> > Cubase SX and my MDMKII UW. Basically I can trigger sounds no sweat
>> > from either program, but I want to program drums live on my MD not the
>> > cpu sequencer.
>> >
>> > First Ableton:
>> >
>> > Timing is horrible on with Ableton. BPM seems to jump up and down and
>> > randomly stop for a brief moment and start again.  At least start and
>> > stop messages take place between ableton and MD. I have everything set
>> > up right for sure, so I'm not sure what's with the sync issues.
>> >
>> > Second Cubase SX:
>> >
>> > I can trigger all sounds no sweat, but no sync period. Start/stop
>> > messages do not work at all and tempo will not lock either. In fact,
>> > my MD won't even change to the Cubase tempo. This may be a Cubase
>> > setting issue, but before I popped the MD into the mix all was well
>> > with sync in my setup with my other synths.
>> >
>> > So if you could please help or offer advice it would be extremely
>> > helpful. My rig is as follows: CPU usb out to Novation Remote SL37 out
>> > to MD. All other synth run off the 2nd midi out of the Novation
>> > Remote. I also have a MOTU Ultralite Firewire as my soundcard and have
>> > tried the midi there with the same results. My cpu is running Vista
>> > with 4gigs of ram and has a Core 2 Duo chip at  2.5GHz if that helps.
>> > I don't think its a cpu issue as everything else locked up fine before
>> > the MD entered the equation. Maybe you can offer another way of
>> > setting this rig up? MD as master possibly with cpu syncing to it and
>> > my other gear syncing too? I will try that again, but not so sure
>> > that's the best way or that it will even work how I like.
>> >
>> > Cheers!
>> >
>> >
>> > ------------------------------------
>> >
>> > Yahoo! Groups Links
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Tarekith
>> http://tarekith.com
>>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>



-- 
Tarekith
http://tarekith.com

sounds to me like there's an USB-midi issue with Vista

can u check if the same happens with other Midigear?

Tarekith schrieb:

>
> I don't use the SL for midi sync at all, I have a TurboMIDI or I use
> the Ultralite, sorry. Not using Cubase anymore either, Live or Logic
> here (I'm on a Mac).
>
> On Sat, Oct 25, 2008 at 9:05 PM, janzer_v1
> <droppinscience2000@... 
> <mailto:droppinscience2000%40hotmail.com>> wrote:
> > Hey!
> >
> > Thanks for the speedy response. It's setup right 100%. All midi
> > settings are correct in all my units. Ableton will send start/stop
> > messages to the MD and the MD can be triggered via Ableton.
> > Unfortunately, once playback is initiated sync runs out of time and
> > starts, stops, pauses briefly (milliseconds) and goes a bit haywire.
> >
> > As for cubase, it won't even send start/stop or timecode to the MD. I
> > think something is maybe out of whack with my Novation Remote SL37 and
> > cubase. Funny thing about all this is everything was ok until I worked
> > the MD into it all. I've been at this for two days now and I'm nothing
> > but frustrated. I've emailed Jon at Elektron tonight and I am waiting
> > for his response now.
> >
> > I see you have a Novation Remote and MOTU ULtralite as well, at least
> > it said so on your website ( I was checking out your tracks). Can you
> > tell me your global settings for midi in/out/sync on the Remote just
> > to make sure? If you are running cubase maybe you can tell me your
> > midi settings there as well.
> >
> > This has turned into 24hrs from hell!
> >
> > Thanks for the link to the info too. I'm going through it now!
> >
> > Cheers!
> >
> >
> > --- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com 
> <mailto:elektron-users%40yahoogroups.com>, Tarekith <Tarekith@...> wrote:
> >>
> >> Are you sure you have the MD set up correctly to receive midi clock?
> >> In th Global menu, you have to have both tempo and ctrl in set to
> >> external. I've never had good luck getting super tight sync with
> >> Ableton and my MD, but I'm surprised that Cubase is doing this too.
> >> Maybe check out this thread as well:
> >>
> >> 
> http://www.ableton.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=98876&highlight=midi+clocl 
> <http://www.ableton.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=98876&highlight=midi+clocl>
> >>
> >> There's a few more threads on the subject there too if you do a search.
> >>
> >> On Sat, Oct 25, 2008 at 7:27 PM, janzer_v1
> >> <droppinscience2000@...> wrote:
> >> > Hi,
> >> >
> >> > I am having some serious sync issues with both Ableton Live 7 and
> >> > Cubase SX and my MDMKII UW. Basically I can trigger sounds no sweat
> >> > from either program, but I want to program drums live on my MD 
> not the
> >> > cpu sequencer.
> >> >
> >> > First Ableton:
> >> >
> >> > Timing is horrible on with Ableton. BPM seems to jump up and down and
> >> > randomly stop for a brief moment and start again. At least start and
> >> > stop messages take place between ableton and MD. I have 
> everything set
> >> > up right for sure, so I'm not sure what's with the sync issues.
> >> >
> >> > Second Cubase SX:
> >> >
> >> > I can trigger all sounds no sweat, but no sync period. Start/stop
> >> > messages do not work at all and tempo will not lock either. In fact,
> >> > my MD won't even change to the Cubase tempo. This may be a Cubase
> >> > setting issue, but before I popped the MD into the mix all was well
> >> > with sync in my setup with my other synths.
> >> >
> >> > So if you could please help or offer advice it would be extremely
> >> > helpful. My rig is as follows: CPU usb out to Novation Remote 
> SL37 out
> >> > to MD. All other synth run off the 2nd midi out of the Novation
> >> > Remote. I also have a MOTU Ultralite Firewire as my soundcard and 
> have
> >> > tried the midi there with the same results. My cpu is running Vista
> >> > with 4gigs of ram and has a Core 2 Duo chip at 2.5GHz if that helps.
> >> > I don't think its a cpu issue as everything else locked up fine 
> before
> >> > the MD entered the equation. Maybe you can offer another way of
> >> > setting this rig up? MD as master possibly with cpu syncing to it and
> >> > my other gear syncing too? I will try that again, but not so sure
> >> > that's the best way or that it will even work how I like.
> >> >
> >> > Cheers!
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > ------------------------------------
> >> >
> >> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Tarekith
> >> http://tarekith.com <http://tarekith.com>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> -- 
> Tarekith
> http://tarekith.com <http://tarekith.com>
>
>

"sounds to me like there's an USB-midi issue with Vista"


My thoughts exactly, but just to be sure I went Firewire to the MOTU 
and got the same  results as USB. In addition, before the MD was put 
into the equation I was syncing a JP8080, MS2000, Juno106, and Waldorf 
all at once with no issues whatsoever. This leads me to believe it is 
the MD for sure. I'm gonna try the MD as the master this morning again 
and see where it takes me. Thanks for the comments everyone.

Make sure you don't have a midi feedback loop happening too.

On Sun, Oct 26, 2008 at 7:38 AM, verstaerker
<verstaerker@...> wrote:
> sounds to me like there's an USB-midi issue with Vista
>
> can u check if the same happens with other Midigear?
>
> Tarekith schrieb:
>>
>> I don't use the SL for midi sync at all, I have a TurboMIDI or I use
>> the Ultralite, sorry. Not using Cubase anymore either, Live or Logic
>> here (I'm on a Mac).
>>
>> On Sat, Oct 25, 2008 at 9:05 PM, janzer_v1
>> <droppinscience2000@...
>> <mailto:droppinscience2000%40hotmail.com>> wrote:
>> > Hey!
>> >
>> > Thanks for the speedy response. It's setup right 100%. All midi
>> > settings are correct in all my units. Ableton will send start/stop
>> > messages to the MD and the MD can be triggered via Ableton.
>> > Unfortunately, once playback is initiated sync runs out of time and
>> > starts, stops, pauses briefly (milliseconds) and goes a bit haywire.
>> >
>> > As for cubase, it won't even send start/stop or timecode to the MD. I
>> > think something is maybe out of whack with my Novation Remote SL37 and
>> > cubase. Funny thing about all this is everything was ok until I worked
>> > the MD into it all. I've been at this for two days now and I'm nothing
>> > but frustrated. I've emailed Jon at Elektron tonight and I am waiting
>> > for his response now.
>> >
>> > I see you have a Novation Remote and MOTU ULtralite as well, at least
>> > it said so on your website ( I was checking out your tracks). Can you
>> > tell me your global settings for midi in/out/sync on the Remote just
>> > to make sure? If you are running cubase maybe you can tell me your
>> > midi settings there as well.
>> >
>> > This has turned into 24hrs from hell!
>> >
>> > Thanks for the link to the info too. I'm going through it now!
>> >
>> > Cheers!
>> >
>> >
>> > --- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com
>> <mailto:elektron-users%40yahoogroups.com>, Tarekith <Tarekith@...> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Are you sure you have the MD set up correctly to receive midi clock?
>> >> In th Global menu, you have to have both tempo and ctrl in set to
>> >> external. I've never had good luck getting super tight sync with
>> >> Ableton and my MD, but I'm surprised that Cubase is doing this too.
>> >> Maybe check out this thread as well:
>> >>
>> >>
>> http://www.ableton.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=98876&highlight=midi+clocl
>> <http://www.ableton.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=98876&highlight=midi+clocl>
>> >>
>> >> There's a few more threads on the subject there too if you do a search.
>> >>
>> >> On Sat, Oct 25, 2008 at 7:27 PM, janzer_v1
>> >> <droppinscience2000@...> wrote:
>> >> > Hi,
>> >> >
>> >> > I am having some serious sync issues with both Ableton Live 7 and
>> >> > Cubase SX and my MDMKII UW. Basically I can trigger sounds no sweat
>> >> > from either program, but I want to program drums live on my MD
>> not the
>> >> > cpu sequencer.
>> >> >
>> >> > First Ableton:
>> >> >
>> >> > Timing is horrible on with Ableton. BPM seems to jump up and down and
>> >> > randomly stop for a brief moment and start again. At least start and
>> >> > stop messages take place between ableton and MD. I have
>> everything set
>> >> > up right for sure, so I'm not sure what's with the sync issues.
>> >> >
>> >> > Second Cubase SX:
>> >> >
>> >> > I can trigger all sounds no sweat, but no sync period. Start/stop
>> >> > messages do not work at all and tempo will not lock either. In fact,
>> >> > my MD won't even change to the Cubase tempo. This may be a Cubase
>> >> > setting issue, but before I popped the MD into the mix all was well
>> >> > with sync in my setup with my other synths.
>> >> >
>> >> > So if you could please help or offer advice it would be extremely
>> >> > helpful. My rig is as follows: CPU usb out to Novation Remote
>> SL37 out
>> >> > to MD. All other synth run off the 2nd midi out of the Novation
>> >> > Remote. I also have a MOTU Ultralite Firewire as my soundcard and
>> have
>> >> > tried the midi there with the same results. My cpu is running Vista
>> >> > with 4gigs of ram and has a Core 2 Duo chip at 2.5GHz if that helps.
>> >> > I don't think its a cpu issue as everything else locked up fine
>> before
>> >> > the MD entered the equation. Maybe you can offer another way of
>> >> > setting this rig up? MD as master possibly with cpu syncing to it and
>> >> > my other gear syncing too? I will try that again, but not so sure
>> >> > that's the best way or that it will even work how I like.
>> >> >
>> >> > Cheers!
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > ------------------------------------
>> >> >
>> >> > Yahoo! Groups Links
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Tarekith
>> >> http://tarekith.com <http://tarekith.com>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > ------------------------------------
>> >
>> > Yahoo! Groups Links
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>> --
>> Tarekith
>> http://tarekith.com <http://tarekith.com>
>>
>>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>



-- 
Tarekith
http://tarekith.com

Sync issues with Ableton Live is an old problem.

I have the same, and i have try everything.

The problem come from the Machinedrum midi clock.

it's not as simple - i have an Md and i have no syncing issues (ok the 
temp dispaly goes up&down by +/- bpm - but i don't hear that variation)



Onosendai schrieb:

>
> Sync issues with Ableton Live is an old problem.
>
> I have the same, and i have try everything.
>
> The problem come from the Machinedrum midi clock.
>
>

I was just you-tubeing (?) the other day,
and found this Video with Timbaland and Busta Rhymes,
and there is a Sid Station on top of all the digital Synths there.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=owcsYJpm_JM


Flo






------------------------------------------------------------
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Oct. 29: ZZT - The Worm (+Erol Alkan Edit) [Turbo]
Nov. 10: Zombie Nation - Forza (+Housemeister +Fukkk Offf rmx) [UKW10]
Jan. 12: Zombie Nation 12" [UKW11]
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*REMIXES
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www.zombienation.com
www.myspace.com/zombienation1
www.johnstarlight.com
www.ukw-records.com

ahaha nice video,because he as some problem with the sidship !

http://www.dreamix.tv/dailyhook/current-events/timbaland-accussed-of-stealing-sample-for-furtado-hit/

> I was just you-tubeing (?) the other day,
> and found this Video with Timbaland and Busta Rhymes,
> and there is a Sid Station on top of all the digital Synths there.
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=owcsYJpm_JM
> 
> 
> Flo
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------------
> *RELEASES
> Sep. 24: John Starlight - Road Rage (+Popof rmx) [Cocoon]
> Oct. 29: ZZT - The Worm (+Erol Alkan Edit) [Turbo]
> Nov. 10: Zombie Nation - Forza (+Housemeister +Fukkk Offf rmx) [UKW10]
> Jan. 12: Zombie Nation 12" [UKW11]
> Feb. 09: Zombie Nation Album release.
> *REMIXES
> Jan: Adam Freeland & The Fury (Zombie Nation Remix) [marine parade]
> 
> 
> www.zombienation.com
> www.myspace.com/zombienation1
> www.johnstarlight.com
> www.ukw-records.com
>

Only a few weeks old and in perfect condition.

I'd like $1550 shipped to continental US.

I'd consider working out various trades - fr xs, looperlative..I dunno  
- try me.

Gene

I'm lowering the shipped price to $1500

> Only a few weeks old and in perfect condition.
>
> I'd like $1550 shipped to continental US.
>
> I'd consider working out various trades - fr xs, looperlative..I dunno
> - try me.
>
> Gene
>
> 



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Same problem seems to continue here. I am just checking back to see 
if anyone has solved this issue. I have already talked to Jon at 
Elektron and he said he also has this issue with Ableton and it is 
most likely Ableton's clock. The MD clock is rock solid with all of 
my other midi gear and I have a ton of it, so it is definitely 
Ableton. 




--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, verstaerker <verstaerker@...> 
wrote:
>
> it's not as simple - i have an Md and i have no syncing issues (ok 
the 
> temp dispaly goes up&down by +/- bpm - but i don't hear that 
variation)

> 
> 
> 
> Onosendai schrieb:
> >
> > Sync issues with Ableton Live is an old problem.
> >
> > I have the same, and i have try everything.
> >
> > The problem come from the Machinedrum midi clock.
> >
> >
>

Shouldn't you just need to adjust your midi clock offset in live for the machinedrum?  This works perfectly for me doing it that way.  Keep sampling the md into live and adjusting the clock until the first drum hit lines up perfectly with the grid.  use a simple 4/4 short kick drum.

-nick




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From: janzer_v1 <droppinscience2000@...>
To: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, December 8, 2008 12:31:03 PM
Subject: Re: [elektron] MDMKII UW Sync Issues w/Ableton 7 and Cubase SX


Same problem seems to continue here. I am just checking back to see 
if anyone has solved this issue. I have already talked to Jon at 
Elektron and he said he also has this issue with Ableton and it is 
most likely Ableton's clock. The MD clock is rock solid with all of 
my other midi gear and I have a ton of it, so it is definitely 
Ableton. 

--- In elektron-users@ yahoogroups. com, verstaerker <verstaerker@ ...> 
wrote:
>
> it's not as simple - i have an Md and i have no syncing issues (ok 
the 
> temp dispaly goes up&down by +/- bpm - but i don't hear that 
variation)
> 
> 
> 
> Onosendai schrieb:
> >
> > Sync issues with Ableton Live is an old problem.
> >
> > I have the same, and i have try everything.
> >
> > The problem come from the Machinedrum midi clock.
> >
> >
>

    


      

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I did this as well. And actually, changing the Midi drivers in Ableton
on each port from Directx to MME cleaned up a LOT of timing slop.

On Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at 1:16 PM, Nick Breinich <nickb808@...> wrote:
> Shouldn't you just need to adjust your midi clock offset in live for the
> machinedrum? This works perfectly for me doing it that way. Keep sampling
> the md into live and adjusting the clock until the first drum hit lines up
> perfectly with the grid. use a simple 4/4 short kick drum.
>
> -nick
>

Hi all - long time between posts I know but this question I just had to answer given what 
we've been doing recently.

We are still a few weeks off production run but the Sync-Lock does exist finally:- 

http://web.webhost4life.com/innerclock/index.asp?action=page&name=16 

Our sole focus at Innerclock Systems from day one has always been getting rhythmic 
timing back where it should always be – in the pocket. 

When we designed and released both the original Sync-Shift in 2004 and the Sync-Shift 
Mark II in 2006 we had real needs that required a real solution - Start Lag Time in tempo-
synchronized systems. Drove us crazy – had to find a fix so I could sleep at night! 

One long-term issue of continual frustration over many years for us has been the poor 
stability of external Midi Clock Tempo synchronization in a software/computer 
environment. A full analysis of this problem is way beyond the scope of this post of course 
but the issue is an old one and familiar to all of you of that I am certain. 

In our experience, electronic music producers these days usually fall into two main groups 
- those that choose all hardware over software and those that choose to do it all inside a 
single computer using plug-ins and softsynths. 

There are a number of reasons for this of course but a big one is the difficulty in achieving 
reliable synchronization between computer music applications and hardware in the 
outside world. Why is this so hard? 

Two main reasons: 

1. Latency – The difference between the time it takes for your soundcard to generate its 
internal audio and the start time of all your external gear. 

2. Midi Clock Slop - PC/Mac (and some hardware too) generated Midi Clock is mostly 
soggy custard and even the best timing external Hardware (think MPC-3000/Machine 
Drum) will run and sound like an old wet blanket when driven from even the best software 
application. 

We have always appreciated the myriad of advantages that modern computers offer to 
electronic music production (Think Live, Reaktor, Reason etc) but the poor timing 
integration to the outside world where so much quality vintage and current hardware and 
hands-on creative interactivity thrive has left us mostly no choice but to leave them well 
alone. 

18 months ago we set about trying to find a no-compromise solution to this problem so 
we could close the gap between computers and external hardware in tight rhythmic 
electronic music production. 

The Sync-Lock lets you still use a PC/Mac - any application of your choice as well - and 
generate sample/grid/tempo accurate simultaneous Midi Clock, Din Sync and Voltage 
Triggers for your analogue gear too. 

All of this is done without USB or Midi Clock generation from the software itself and is 
therefore immune to any jitter/slop and because the sync is provided via your soundcard 
audio outputs – there is effectively zero latency offset between your computer's internal 
audio and the start times and tempo sync of your external equipment. 

Sync-Lock Trig I/O conversion time is under 20 microseconds! 

True Plug and Play. You can have your cake and eat it too! 

There are some neat added features too – Footswitch Manual Quantized Stop/Force Re-
Start and of course you can program in Midi Clock/Din/Trigger tempo changes, pauses, 
stutter restarts, you can very easily program in swing to your sync track in your application 
of choice – set all your external hardware to play straight and let the Sync-Lock shuffle all 
your external devices at the Sync Source rather than try and work out bounce settings by 
feel. 

No latency, hard swing funk between Ableton Live Audio, a TR-808, an Elektron Machine 
Drum and an Analogue Step Sequencer by just pressing the PC space bar is a wondrous 
thing to behold! 

And not a Midi/USB cable from the computer in sight. 

Contact Andreas at Scheiders Buero in Europe,  Sean at Analogue Haven in the USA or 
email us directly for more information.

http://www.schneidersbuero.de/
http://analoguehaven.com/
info@...

Best as always to all. 

David 
www.innerclocksystems.com