Elektron Musical Instruments

You seem to know a bit about register updates - are they only a function of
the OS, or does the CPU factor in as well?  I know the one in the SS isnt
quite the same as a pentium or even a 286 for that matter.  It could be that
the clock speed of the CPU is a bottleneck - and in that case it might be a
hardware ceiling instead of a software one.  And I agree that faster updates
would allow for serious sonic mayhem, and I also agree that multi-timbrality
is sorely needed - but I dont have a C64 and I dont plan on buying one - so
I will keep my SS.


-----Original Message-----
From: angrysavant <angrysavant@...>
To: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com <elektron-users@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Sunday, December 09, 2001 1:40 AM

Subject: [elektron] The sidstation is still fucking weak.


>I'm happy you love the sidstation. I'm going to sell mine if Elektron
>doesn't update the OS to support faster register updates.
>
>The faster you update the chip the better your am/fm and ringmod
>attributes will sound because you are changing them at a finer
>resolution. Would you be happy with 1x?  Ever heard a sid doing
>sync'd square osc's at 63x?  It sounds fucking brilliant.
>
>All I'm saying here is.  The guys at elektron let the community
>down.  Sure, a bunch of producers are happily going retro and making
>little bleeps and "crunchy/edgy" leads.  I don't give a fuck.  This
>thing sounds like a 6581 at 4x -- crappy.
>
>I expect more out of my gear.
>
>Elektron if you are listening -- Your current users need an OS
>update - even if I'm not one of them anymore.
>
>Thanks for the flame Corey.  Can I call you foamy underpants?
>I'm sure your penis spurts all over your undies every time you say
>the word "cock".
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>Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In elektron-users@y..., "Dr. Whammo" <rajajuju@m...> wrote:
> You seem to know a bit about register updates - are they only a 
function of
> the OS, or does the CPU factor in as well?  I know the one in the 
SS isnt
> quite the same as a pentium or even a 286 for that matter.  It 
could be that
> the clock speed of the CPU is a bottleneck - and in that case it 
might be a
> hardware ceiling instead of a software one.  And I agree that 
faster updates
> would allow for serious sonic mayhem, and I also agree that multi-
timbrality
> is sorely needed - but I dont have a C64 and I dont plan on buying 
one - so
> I will keep my SS.
> 

On the c64 the fastest you'll get because of CPU overhead is about 
63x (pal/50hz).

The register updates are directly tied to cpu overhead and bus speed.
Your assessment could be dead on.  I'm to lazy to research the clock 
setup in the SS.  I figure one of the elektron guys will jump in 
and "blow my ass off the road". 

I'm working on making a max/msp supersid.  Yeah, I don't have the 
filters but atleast it will be clean sounding with high speed 
register updates.   

-Anthony

hey fella, if youre so upset with the sidstation, ill buy it off you 
for $100 U.S.D.  sound good?  email me buddy!

denshiblocks@...

>The register updates are directly tied to cpu overhead and bus speed.
>Your assessment could be dead on.  I'm to lazy to research the clock
>setup in the SS.  I figure one of the elektron guys will jump in
>and "blow my ass off the road".


Yeh, the CPU on the SS is like the same one in a wrist watch or something...
I believe someone said 2Mhz...  I imagine these were used to keep cost down,
but like you I would have preferred the MOS chip to be maxed out before the
CPU was.  Of course this might have required a 25-50Mhz CPU, but I would
have been willing to pay for it.  Unfortunately I need hardware modules for
live work, and I am not about to lug a PC on stage - nor a laptop.  So I am
happy with the SS as it is, although knowing it could have been pushed
farther does upset me a bit.  But nothings perfect.

I'm interested in your max sid. I'm using max/msp in all my music these 
days. Any plans for a standalone supersid instrument?

I tried to emulate the sid filter in suppercolider last year but it sounded 
more like an ms-20. I suppose if the filter is imposible to emulate 
acurately you could always use your sidstation as a midi controlled filter.

Steven

>From: "angrysavant" <angrysavant@...>
>Reply-To: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com
>To: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [elektron] The sidstation is still fucking weak.
>Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2001 08:13:30 -0000
>
>--- In elektron-users@y..., "Dr. Whammo" <rajajuju@m...> wrote:
> > You seem to know a bit about register updates - are they only a
>function of
> > the OS, or does the CPU factor in as well?  I know the one in the
>SS isnt
> > quite the same as a pentium or even a 286 for that matter.  It
>could be that
> > the clock speed of the CPU is a bottleneck - and in that case it
>might be a
> > hardware ceiling instead of a software one.  And I agree that
>faster updates
> > would allow for serious sonic mayhem, and I also agree that multi-
>timbrality
> > is sorely needed - but I dont have a C64 and I dont plan on buying
>one - so
> > I will keep my SS.
> >
>
>On the c64 the fastest you'll get because of CPU overhead is about
>63x (pal/50hz).
>
>The register updates are directly tied to cpu overhead and bus speed.
>Your assessment could be dead on.  I'm to lazy to research the clock
>setup in the SS.  I figure one of the elektron guys will jump in
>and "blow my ass off the road".
>
>I'm working on making a max/msp supersid.  Yeah, I don't have the
>filters but atleast it will be clean sounding with high speed
>register updates.
>
>-Anthony
>
>
>


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is there a way to control the resonance from an external controller?

cuttoff is easily controlled but there is no DC assignment for resonance.

thanks for any help.



SPIKE the Percussionist
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http://www.manipulate.net/skan

it's all about the person pushing the buttons.......

i know guys who still will only use hardware sequencers and make way better
noiz than most of the people using computers.

i do see your point about some of it's limitations but.......

this is a unique noiz generator which has new boundries.

my SH-101 is the most limited machine in my set-up but i REALLY know how to
use it and get what i need for my compositions out of it.



SPIKE the Percussionist
.
http://www.manipulate.net/skan