Elektron Musical Instruments

well my daily deletion just occurred! i spent the past hour tweakin 
sounds on md and my comp. keyboard accidentally tapped the power plug 
and md lost power and so lost all my tweaks yet again. yesterday it 
was not saving the SEQUENCE and rememeber save each pattern when you 
make changes, very frustrating to lose hours of work. i wish they 
would implement a save prompt into the thing.  also a power plug that 
stays in better.

On Thu, Sep 04, 2003 at 04:07:27AM -0000, vampyrecat13 wrote:
>    well my daily deletion just occurred! i spent the past hour tweakin
>    sounds on md and my comp. keyboard accidentally tapped the power plug
>    and md lost power and so lost all my tweaks yet again. yesterday it
>    was not saving the SEQUENCE and rememeber save each pattern when you
>    make changes, very frustrating to lose hours of work. i wish they
>    would implement a save prompt into the thing.  also a power plug that
>    stays in better.

what kind of tweaking were you doing that you hadn't saved your pattern
for hours?  it saves every time you exit record mode. so were you just
running the realtime recorder for hours and hours while tweaking?

or did you mean that your *kit* tweaks hadn't been saved? this would also
confuse me because kit tweaks aren't dumped when you restart, only when
you change kits (or load a new pattern with a different kit). when
you're in pattern mode, that is.

I agree about the plug, though. it would be nice if they had those
little plastic dealies that you wrap your power cable around; the ones
that are attached to the chasis, adjacent to the A/C socket. but in all
fairness, their plug is nothing out of the ordinary. and if you want to
modify your MD, you could certainly attach something to hold the plug in
place. actually, with no modifications at all you could probably do it.
just find the appropriate screw for the rack-ear holes, screw it 3/4 of
the way in and wrap your power cable around it a couple of times. :-)

Joe

im still somewhat of a newb though i abhore that word. maybe i lost 
the tweaks cause i changed patterns? i don't know. no. of course i 
wasnt running the real time record button for hours! i was turning 
the knobs creating different sounds, then assigning(recording-
whatever) them to steps. by exit record mode i assume you mean 
pressing the red record button? not the exit no button? just making 
sure im not missing something. i have to save my new sounds and also 
copy and paste the sequence(pattern- step assignment)? its the 
getting around i'm still a little fuzzy on. could you explain, theres 
kits-which i assume are the sounds and patterns which to me are the 
sequences or the 16/32 steps that play when turned on. but if ive 
loaded a kit via the load kit menu then choose say pattern A 4 and, 
my kit doesnt play back a different kit with the A 4 i loaded plays. 
so thers really two ways to load kits? via the load menu and via 
pattern selection? as far as the plug that was my fault. as i said my 
keyboard knocked it out. i was only posting cause i thought people 
could sypathize with losing hours of work. otherwise i love 
machinedrum. thanks for your reply, susan --- In elektron-
users@yahoogroups.com, Joe <jmelnyk@c...> wrote:
> On Thu, Sep 04, 2003 at 04:07:27AM -0000, vampyrecat13 wrote:
> >    well my daily deletion just occurred! i spent the past hour 
tweakin
> >    sounds on md and my comp. keyboard accidentally tapped the 
power plug
> >    and md lost power and so lost all my tweaks yet again. 
yesterday it
> >    was not saving the SEQUENCE and rememeber save each pattern 
when you
> >    make changes, very frustrating to lose hours of work. i wish 
they
> >    would implement a save prompt into the thing.  also a power 
plug that
> >    stays in better.
> 
> what kind of tweaking were you doing that you hadn't saved your 
pattern
> for hours?  it saves every time you exit record mode. so were you 
just
> running the realtime recorder for hours and hours while tweaking?
> 
> or did you mean that your *kit* tweaks hadn't been saved? this 
would also
> confuse me because kit tweaks aren't dumped when you restart, only 
when
> you change kits (or load a new pattern with a different kit). when
> you're in pattern mode, that is.
> 
> I agree about the plug, though. it would be nice if they had those
> little plastic dealies that you wrap your power cable around; the 
ones
> that are attached to the chasis, adjacent to the A/C socket. but in 
all
> fairness, their plug is nothing out of the ordinary. and if you 
want to
> modify your MD, you could certainly attach something to hold the 
plug in
> place. actually, with no modifications at all you could probably do 
it.
> just find the appropriate screw for the rack-ear holes, screw it 
3/4 of
> the way in and wrap your power cable around it a couple of times. :-
)
> 
> Joe

Yeah... I really think they should make changes to kit 'sticky'. This is the
most annoying thing there is... there are so many ways of loosing all your
data. If you'r unlucky and switch to a pattern with another kit, u r fucked.
If you are in basic mode and switch back to extended you are fucked too.

 There is an undo kit that supposedly allows you to recover the last edited
kit but I found out that a lot of time you only get back part of it.

Cheers,
M-.-n

On Thu, Sep 04, 2003 at 01:29:48PM -0000, vampyrecat13 wrote:
>    by exit record mode i assume you mean
>    pressing the white stop button? not the exit no button? just making
>    sure im not missing something.

no. there's two ways to enter record mode: either press the red
record/copy button and use step programming or press the red and black
(play/clear) button together and enter realtime programming. to exit
either one, you have to press the red button again (actually, to fully
exit realtime record mode, you have to press it twice). at which point,
your pattern changes are recorded.

> i have to save my new sounds and also
>    copy and paste the sequence(pattern- step assignment)?

I'm not sure what you're describing. but by "save new sounds" you mean
saving the kit I assume. and yes, you have to do that when you change
kit sounds. *however* as I said before, if you don't change kits between
a restart, your tweaked (but unsaved) kit will still be the active kit.
and if you change patterns without saving, you can still use the undo
kit (first kit in the list) to recover the old tweaked-but-unsaved kit.

>    its the
>    getting around i'm still a little fuzzy on. could you explain, theres
>    kits-which i assume are the sounds and patterns

patterns and kits are two different things altogether. kits are the
sounds themselves. patterns are the sequences of kit sounds. kits
correspond to entries 1 through 64 of the kit menu; patterns correspond
to entries A1-A16, B1-B16, ..., H1-H16 of the "pattern selection" menu.

>    which to me are the
>    sequences or the  16/32 steps that play when turned on. but if  ive
>    loaded a kit via the load kit menu then   choose say pattern A 4 and,
>    my kit doesnt play back a different kit with the A 4 i loaded plays.

if you're in extended mode, this will happen. in extended mode, kits are
associated with patterns. in classic mode, you can play any pattern with
any kit you choose.

>    so thers really two ways to load kits? via the load menu and via
>    pattern selection?

sort of. I wouldn't look at it as two ways to load kits, though. the
first method loads a kit, the second one loads a pattern. if you're in
extended mode, then loading that pattern will also load the kit
associated with that pattern.

>    as far as the plug that was my fault. as i said my
>    keyboard knocked it out.

I've done it before too. I was just commenting on the issue of changing
the MD to fix this problem; it's been discussed in here before.

>    i was only posting cause i thought people
>    could sypathize with losing hours of work. otherwise i love
>    machinedrum.

I agree on both counts! yes, I have lost work on it too and it *really*
sucks; but I do love it very much.

sorry if it seems like I'm criticizing you; I'm not. I was just confused
about exactly what you were describing and how your data loss could have
occurred. because to me, it seems like the data may very well have been
there when you restarted, you just might have been unsure of how to
access.

>    thanks for your reply, susan
no problem!

take care,
Joe.

If you save a kit, it will be saved with the current pattern.  I would
like an easier way to load a kit on lots of patterns.

I finally loaded 1.12b on the MD.  I was copying and pasting notes and
the MD froze twice.  I posted about this before and someone said they
had no problem with 1.12b.  Well, I was doing it while in play.  It
still should not happen.  I ask you to copy a note and paste it a
couple of times.  I want to see if others get this problem.  You'll
see some highlighted parameters even when you are not holding the
button down, and you won't be able to change patterns or parts.  All
you have to do is turn it off and on.  Once after turning is off and
on, I still couldn't change patterns or parts.  I'm copying this post
and emailing elektron.

Oh yea, secure your keyboards!!!
  

--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "vampyrecat13"
<synthangel@a...> wrote:

> im still somewhat of a newb though i abhore that word. maybe i lost 
> the tweaks cause i changed patterns? i don't know. no. of course i 
> wasnt running the real time record button for hours! i was turning 
> the knobs creating different sounds, then assigning(recording-
> whatever) them to steps. by exit record mode i assume you mean 
> pressing the red record button? not the exit no button? just making 
> sure im not missing something. i have to save my new sounds and also 
> copy and paste the sequence(pattern- step assignment)? its the 
> getting around i'm still a little fuzzy on. could you explain, theres 
> kits-which i assume are the sounds and patterns which to me are the 
> sequences or the 16/32 steps that play when turned on. but if ive 
> loaded a kit via the load kit menu then choose say pattern A 4 and, 
> my kit doesnt play back a different kit with the A 4 i loaded plays. 
> so thers really two ways to load kits? via the load menu and via 
> pattern selection? as far as the plug that was my fault. as i said my 
> keyboard knocked it out. i was only posting cause i thought people 
> could sypathize with losing hours of work. otherwise i love 
> machinedrum. thanks for your reply, susan --- In elektron-
> users@yahoogroups.com, Joe <jmelnyk@c...> wrote:

le 04/09/2003 16:10, M-.-n à nostromo@... a écrit :

> Yeah... I really think they should make changes to kit 'sticky'. This is the
> most annoying thing there is... there are so many ways of loosing all your
> data. If you'r unlucky and switch to a pattern with another kit, u r fucked.
> If you are in basic mode and switch back to extended you are fucked too.

Did it to me tonight while preparing a demo for an exhibit for the ReVE in
Paris.

I fucked what I did in august :-/

and I'm not upgraded to the last OS which does not help eitherŠ

(aaaaaaaaaaaaaarghhhh)

Denis U]

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wow. good. glad i swallowed my pride and asked. i did not realize you 
can press the red and black button and its realtime record. i was 
just pressing the red and switching with the knob and pressing steps. 
i will experiment with this after i finish this reply. that anwsers 
my question in regard to saving the step assignment. thanks again, 
i'm a little clearer on it. hopefully with practice i can avoid 
losing my sounds ever again:) susan--- In elektron-
users@yahoogroups.com, Joe <jmelnyk@c...> wrote:
> On Thu, Sep 04, 2003 at 01:29:48PM -0000, vampyrecat13 wrote:
> >    by exit record mode i assume you mean
> >    pressing the white stop button? not the exit no button? just 
making
> >    sure im not missing something.
> 
> no. there's two ways to enter record mode: either press the red
> record/copy button and use step programming or press the red and 
black
> (play/clear) button together and enter realtime programming. to exit
> either one, you have to press the red button again (actually, to 
fully
> exit realtime record mode, you have to press it twice). at which 
point,
> your pattern changes are recorded.
> 
> > i have to save my new sounds and also
> >    copy and paste the sequence(pattern- step assignment)?
> 
> I'm not sure what you're describing. but by "save new sounds" you 
mean
> saving the kit I assume. and yes, you have to do that when you 
change
> kit sounds. *however* as I said before, if you don't change kits 
between
> a restart, your tweaked (but unsaved) kit will still be the active 
kit.
> and if you change patterns without saving, you can still use the 
undo
> kit (first kit in the list) to recover the old tweaked-but-unsaved 
kit.
> 
> >    its the
> >    getting around i'm still a little fuzzy on. could you explain, 
theres
> >    kits-which i assume are the sounds and patterns
> 
> patterns and kits are two different things altogether. kits are the
> sounds themselves. patterns are the sequences of kit sounds. kits
> correspond to entries 1 through 64 of the kit menu; patterns 
correspond
> to entries A1-A16, B1-B16, ..., H1-H16 of the "pattern selection" 
menu.
> 
> >    which to me are the
> >    sequences or the  16/32 steps that play when turned on. but 
if  ive
> >    loaded a kit via the load kit menu then   choose say pattern A 
4 and,
> >    my kit doesnt play back a different kit with the A 4 i loaded 
plays.
> 
> if you're in extended mode, this will happen. in extended mode, 
kits are
> associated with patterns. in classic mode, you can play any pattern 
with
> any kit you choose.
> 
> >    so thers really two ways to load kits? via the load menu and 
via
> >    pattern selection?
> 
> sort of. I wouldn't look at it as two ways to load kits, though. the
> first method loads a kit, the second one loads a pattern. if you're 
in
> extended mode, then loading that pattern will also load the kit
> associated with that pattern.
> 
> >    as far as the plug that was my fault. as i said my
> >    keyboard knocked it out.
> 
> I've done it before too. I was just commenting on the issue of 
changing
> the MD to fix this problem; it's been discussed in here before.
> 
> >    i was only posting cause i thought people
> >    could sypathize with losing hours of work. otherwise i love
> >    machinedrum.
> 
> I agree on both counts! yes, I have lost work on it too and it 
*really*
> sucks; but I do love it very much.
> 
> sorry if it seems like I'm criticizing you; I'm not. I was just 
confused
> about exactly what you were describing and how your data loss could 
have
> occurred. because to me, it seems like the data may very well have 
been

> there when you restarted, you just might have been unsure of how to
> access.
> 
> >    thanks for your reply, susan
> no problem!
> 
> take care,
> Joe.

le 05/09/2003 09:13, M-.-n à nostromo@... a écrit :

> pas de chances !

Fortunately I've lost only the patterns, not the associated kit.

a rather bizarre one %)

ouf!

I've had also troubles to pilot a drum module in MIDI but it may be my OS
(stil in 1.10Š).

nothing vital anyway, not like the guys here who have lost everything and
months of work :-/

Denis U]

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lepetitmartien           M.I.C.                http://www.macmusic.org