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Setting up MD, Mono and other synths

Setting up MD, Mono and other synths

2004-02-20 by davveknas

Since I got the Mono, I've begun realising what a great piece of 
machinery the MD must be. I'm seriously thinking of buying one.

In the Mono manual Elektron tells us that we should use the Mono as 
base because of the tight clock. If I buy an MD, how will I set that 
up with the Mono and a third synth? I like having the Mono's six 
sequencer tracks sequencing the third synth, will I have to use one 
of them to control the MD, or can I somehow use the MD to trigger the 
Mono?

Re: Setting up MD, Mono and other synths

2004-02-20 by schmackofanz

if you like the mono you will also love the md.
i have both and itzs an incredible combi.

the md comes with its own sequencer so it just needs to be synced to the mono.
no extra track is needed except if you want to automate the patternchanges in the md 
from the mono.
in that case you have to use one of the miditracks.

you could use the md to trigger sounds from the mono but i cant really see any benefit in 
that.

Hans


--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "davveknas" <davan839@s...> wrote:
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> Since I got the Mono, I've begun realising what a great piece of 
> machinery the MD must be. I'm seriously thinking of buying one.
> 
> In the Mono manual Elektron tells us that we should use the Mono as 
> base because of the tight clock. If I buy an MD, how will I set that 
> up with the Mono and a third synth? I like having the Mono's six 
> sequencer tracks sequencing the third synth, will I have to use one 
> of them to control the MD, or can I somehow use the MD to trigger the 
> Mono?

Re: [elektron] Re: Setting up MD, Mono and other synths

2004-02-20 by Chris Thomas

Yup.
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On Fri, Feb 20, 2004 at 09:49:20PM -0000, davveknas wrote:
> In the MD, is there anything like the song sequencer that decides in 
> what order the patterns should play?

[elektron] Re: Setting up MD, Mono and other synths

2004-02-20 by davveknas

STOP IT! I cannot really afford the MD! Stop saying these sweet, 
divine words to me! I'll ruin my economy...

--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, Chris Thomas <yahoo@f...> 
wrote:
> Yup.
> 
> On Fri, Feb 20, 2004 at 09:49:20PM -0000, davveknas wrote:
> > In the MD, is there anything like the song sequencer that decides 
in 
> > what order the patterns should play?

Re: [elektron] Re: Setting up MD, Mono and other synths

2004-02-20 by Chris Thomas

heheheheh
I have had a machinedrum for about 2 years now. Completely love it and
would not trade it for anything. You will get the most out of it by
completely wiping the whole damn thing after you buy it, and start
piecing your own kits together.
I just got my monomachine yesterday - it blew me away completely. The
online sound clips don't do it justice.
I'm glad its the weekend. I'm gonna be monoing it up for the next few
days. It will be nice to be able to use it with the md and see what
happens.
I'll post some stuff up for people to hear once it's been recorded :)
On another note.. I'm also anxious to see how the evolver and/or the md
will benefit from being run into the mono's inputs...

-Chris
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On Fri, Feb 20, 2004 at 09:59:23PM -0000, davveknas wrote:
> STOP IT! I cannot really afford the MD! Stop saying these sweet, 
> divine words to me! I'll ruin my economy...
> 
> --- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, Chris Thomas <yahoo@f...> 
> wrote:
> > Yup.
> > 
> > On Fri, Feb 20, 2004 at 09:49:20PM -0000, davveknas wrote:
> > > In the MD, is there anything like the song sequencer that decides 
> in 
> > > what order the patterns should play?

Re: [elektron] Re: Setting up MD, Mono and other synths

2004-02-20 by Damon Menne

Stop asking deadly questions then.  ;-]
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On Friday, February 20, 2004, at 01:59 PM, davveknas wrote:

> STOP IT! I cannot really afford the MD! Stop saying these sweet,
> divine words to me! I'll ruin my economy...
>
> --- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, Chris Thomas <yahoo@f...>
> wrote:
>> Yup.
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 20, 2004 at 09:49:20PM -0000, davveknas wrote:
>>> In the MD, is there anything like the song sequencer that decides
> in
>>> what order the patterns should play?
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
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>

[elektron] Re: Setting up MD, Mono and other synths

2004-02-20 by droolmaster0

--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, Chris Thomas <yahoo@f...> 
wrote:
> On another note.. I'm also anxious to see how the evolver and/or 
the md
> will benefit from being run into the mono's inputs...
> 

I will have to try that out this weekend! Also the reverse - mm 
and/or md into the evolver's input. either way it should be nice.

Re: [elektron] Re: Setting up MD, Mono and other synths

2004-02-20 by Damon Menne

I love syncing the evolver, using it as a sequenced filterbank in 
tandem with the MnM.

The polymorph does a damn fine job with this stuff too.
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On Friday, February 20, 2004, at 02:09 PM, Chris Thomas wrote:

> heheheheh
> I have had a machinedrum for about 2 years now. Completely love it and
> would not trade it for anything. You will get the most out of it by
> completely wiping the whole damn thing after you buy it, and start
> piecing your own kits together.
> I just got my monomachine yesterday - it blew me away completely. The
> online sound clips don't do it justice.
> I'm glad its the weekend. I'm gonna be monoing it up for the next few
> days. It will be nice to be able to use it with the md and see what
> happens.
> I'll post some stuff up for people to hear once it's been recorded :)
> On another note.. I'm also anxious to see how the evolver and/or the md
> will benefit from being run into the mono's inputs...
>
> -Chris
>
> On Fri, Feb 20, 2004 at 09:59:23PM -0000, davveknas wrote:
>> STOP IT! I cannot really afford the MD! Stop saying these sweet,
>> divine words to me! I'll ruin my economy...
>>
>> --- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, Chris Thomas <yahoo@f...>
>> wrote:
>>> Yup.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Feb 20, 2004 at 09:49:20PM -0000, davveknas wrote:
>>>> In the MD, is there anything like the song sequencer that decides
>> in
>>>> what order the patterns should play?
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
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>
>
>
>

[elektron] Re: Setting up MD, Mono and other synths

2004-02-21 by oldmanfury

--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, Damon Menne <damon@m...> wrote:
> I love syncing the evolver, using it as a sequenced filterbank in 
> tandem with the MnM.

I bought an evolver a week and a half ago.  Amazing synth - similar 
in ways to the MnM, but totally different sounding.  I was playing 
with it, with the software editor up and running, with the MnM 
sending Midi notes to it, and click, poof, the evolver stopped making 
sound.  I tried changing the midi-clock and every other parameter I 
could think of, but couldn't get the evolver to make sound again.  
Anyone have trouble sending info from MnM to the evolver like this?  
Did sending the MnM clock screw it up, or maybe when I used the PCHG 
parameter to try to change patches on the evolver?  Hmmm... it really 
was messed up - I couldn't load patch parameters into the editor, and 
ended up having to re-install OS V2.0

-gerald

Monomachine with computer sequencer

2004-02-21 by Gene Schwartz

I posted about some of the issues that I was having, and thanks to Joe, I
solved one of them, but there are still issues. They don't really seem to be
related to the Monomachine per se, but to any instrument that is being used
to sequence one or more other synths through a computer sequencer and
multiport MIDI interface environment. I'm wondering if anyone else has used
the monomachine in a computer sequencer environment, and how they've dealt
with this.

Suppose you're using the monomachine to sequence the Virus C. If you have
all your synths set up through a multiport MIDI interface and the computer,
the signal flow would be that the monomachine would send out the MIDI
information to the computer sequencer (in this case Logic), which would then
send it out to the Virus. The problem is in recording the data from a
keyboard controller.  The keyboard sends the note values to Logic, which
then sends to the autochannel on the monomachine, and records the notes. But
in order to hear the Virus, it has to receive the MIDI data also. The
problem is that the monomachine echoes the note values back to Logic, which
sends them back out to the monomachine, and I get a MIDI feedback loop. The
only solution I've found is to connect the Virus directly to the Monomachine
(which is not to say that no solution exists. Logic is quite flexible, but I
just haven't found a solution to this yet, at least one that is
satisfactory.)

I still think that if there were a quick way to toggle MIDI transmission
on/off from the Monomachine (ideally per track) this would be ideal. If I
could do that, then I could simply send the note information to both the
monomachine and the virus when recording (so I could hear what I'm playing),
and then turn the MIDI transmission on afterwards.

Of course, there are still issues - I'd have to set up an instrument in
logic which would send, e.g. channel 11 from the monomachine to the Virus,
channel 12 to the evolver, etc, but I don't think that those are
insurmountable.

I don't mind, for now, connecting the Virus directly to the monomachine, and
then the evolvers, and throwing in the machinedrum when it arrives. But,
especially when I update this ancient computer, I will be also using it as a
central controller (as much as I like the monomachine...) and I don't want
to be always plugging and unplugging stuff.

So, basically, right now, I'm not sure of the best, most flexible way to set
all this stuff up. Any creative ideas would be appreciated.

Re: [elektron] Monomachine with computer sequencer

2004-02-21 by Joe

On Sat, Feb 21, 2004 at 09:01:11AM -0800, Gene Schwartz wrote:
>    I  posted  about  some  of the issues that I was having, and thanks to
>    Joe, I
>    solved one of them, but there are still issues.

I'm glad to see that I could help some of your problems.  Regarding your
other ones... from your explanation, I gather that you're doing (or want
to be doing) the following:

KB->Logic-> { MnM->Logic, Virus->Logic }

where the MnM is sequencing the Virus as well. and the problem is that
the MnM, in transmitting its note and the notes meant for the Virus, is
receiving its notes back from Logic and thus creating a loop?

if this is the case, my only solution is to:
1) turn MIDI echo off for the channels the MnM is listening to (if this is
possible in Logic)
2) turn MIDI reception off in the MnM (set the base channel but then set
the channel span to 0) so that it won't respond to its own notes received
from Logic

Note that #2 seems to affect the functionality of multi-trig, though.  I
haven't quite figured this out yet.

Hope that helps!
Joe

Re: [elektron] Monomachine with computer sequencer

2004-02-21 by john parker

this probably is no help but...i have the mono, virus, evolver, and
machinedrum connected to an edirol um-550.  my set up seemed really simple:
logic reads each machine as a different port and i can patch everything
manually on the edirol as i need it.
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From: Gene Schwartz <implode7@...>
Reply-To: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2004 09:01:11 -0800
To: <elektron-users@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [elektron] Monomachine with computer sequencer


I posted about some of the issues that I was having, and thanks to Joe, I
solved one of them, but there are still issues. They don't really seem to be
related to the Monomachine per se, but to any instrument that is being used
to sequence one or more other synths through a computer sequencer and
multiport MIDI interface environment. I'm wondering if anyone else has used
the monomachine in a computer sequencer environment, and how they've dealt
with this.

Suppose you're using the monomachine to sequence the Virus C. If you have
all your synths set up through a multiport MIDI interface and the computer,
the signal flow would be that the monomachine would send out the MIDI
information to the computer sequencer (in this case Logic), which would then
send it out to the Virus. The problem is in recording the data from a
keyboard controller.  The keyboard sends the note values to Logic, which
then sends to the autochannel on the monomachine, and records the notes. But
in order to hear the Virus, it has to receive the MIDI data also. The
problem is that the monomachine echoes the note values back to Logic, which
sends them back out to the monomachine, and I get a MIDI feedback loop. The
only solution I've found is to connect the Virus directly to the Monomachine
(which is not to say that no solution exists. Logic is quite flexible, but I
just haven't found a solution to this yet, at least one that is
satisfactory.)

I still think that if there were a quick way to toggle MIDI transmission
on/off from the Monomachine (ideally per track) this would be ideal. If I
could do that, then I could simply send the note information to both the
monomachine and the virus when recording (so I could hear what I'm playing),
and then turn the MIDI transmission on afterwards.

Of course, there are still issues - I'd have to set up an instrument in
logic which would send, e.g. channel 11 from the monomachine to the Virus,
channel 12 to the evolver, etc, but I don't think that those are
insurmountable.

I don't mind, for now, connecting the Virus directly to the monomachine, and
then the evolvers, and throwing in the machinedrum when it arrives. But,
especially when I update this ancient computer, I will be also using it as a
central controller (as much as I like the monomachine...) and I don't want
to be always plugging and unplugging stuff.

So, basically, right now, I'm not sure of the best, most flexible way to set
all this stuff up. Any creative ideas would be appreciated.






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Re: [elektron] Monomachine with computer sequencer

2004-02-21 by Gene Schwartz

> 
> 
> From: Joe <jmelnyk@...>
> Reply-To: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2004 12:02:17 -0500
> To: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [elektron] Monomachine with computer sequencer
> 
> 
> 
> I'm glad to see that I could help some of your problems.  Regarding your
> other ones... from your explanation, I gather that you're doing (or want
> to be doing) the following:
> 
> KB->Logic-> { MnM->Logic, Virus->Logic }
> 
> where the MnM is sequencing the Virus as well. and the problem is that
> the MnM, in transmitting its note and the notes meant for the Virus, is
> receiving its notes back from Logic and thus creating a loop?
> 

When recording the info from the keyboard, yes.

> if this is the case, my only solution is to:
> 1) turn MIDI echo off for the channels the MnM is listening to (if this is
> possible in Logic)

The MIDI needs to be sent to the autochannel on the MNM in order to record
it. So, turning off the MIDI output from the sequencer isn't the solution
(although easy to do in Logic). The problem arises from the data being
echoed from the MNM and then being sent back again. I think I might be able
to fix it by toggling a setting in Logic, where you tell it not to use a
synth as a 'thru instrument', but it didn't seem to work last night
(although the Chimay might have been competing). And the downside is, that
with all this toggling, it's easy to forget, and then MIDI goes crazy, and
sometimes I lose MIDI altogether and have to play around with OMS to get it
back. So, right now, the direct hookup seems more pleasing.

Especially loving syncing up my evolvers. The sequencers on it are good to
(very different). What they have, lacking in the monomachine, is the ability
to set up 4 sequences of different lengths.

I'm thinking of trying out some warped setup later where I also send MIDI
back from the evolver to the monomachine, so that I can lose myself in
insanity, if I haven't already.

> 2) turn MIDI reception off in the MnM (set the base channel but then set
> the channel span to 0) so that it won't respond to its own notes received
> from Logic
> 

Well, again - the problem arises when recording, so I can't turn MIDI
reception off. 

I really am surprised that there isn't a way to suppress MIDI out on it. It
seems like a standard feature.

> Note that #2 seems to affect the functionality of multi-trig, though.  I
> haven't quite figured this out yet.
> 

Another project for this weekend - I haven't even tried multi-trig yet! Or
many of the other 'advanced' features. Too easy to get hypnotized...





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Re: [elektron] Monomachine with computer sequencer

2004-02-21 by Joe

On Sat, Feb 21, 2004 at 09:53:12AM -0800, Gene Schwartz wrote:
>    Well, again - the problem arises when recording, so I can't turn MIDI
>    reception off.
>    I  really  am surprised that there isn't a way to suppress MIDI out on
>    it. It
>    seems like a standard feature.

actually, I'm pretty sure that setting the channel span to 0 will disable
MIDI transmission/reception entirely (except for clock/transport).

Joe

Re: Monomachine with computer sequencer

2004-02-21 by oldmanfury

--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, Gene Schwartz <implode7@p...> 
wrote:
> Suppose you're using the monomachine to sequence the Virus C.

I really want to use my mono to sequence my Indigo, but until 
elektron includes polyphony in the Midi sequencer section, it is 
probably best to just use a computer sequencer.  It sounds like you 
aren't sequencing the Virus with the mono, but using the keyboard to 
record sequences in Logic that you want to play back.  Best way to do 
this would be to stop using the "any channel" mode, and dedicate 
specific channels to specific instruments.  Connect everything 
through Logic and do the routing there.  Rout your midi ports so that 
the MnM out goes to your other instrument inputs but don't rout their 
outputs anywhere.  Use device numbers 10, 11, 12... for external 
gear, and use the Midi sequencer on the monomachine's tracks 1,2,3... 
for each piece of gear respectively.  For the monomachine, make sure 
that its input and output ports are not set to pass midi to eachother 
through Logic.

I am surprised that you cannot turn the midi-thru off on the MnM, but 
I can't find this feature in the manual, so you'll have to do it in 
Logic.  I haven't tried any of this by the way, so I apologize if my 
comments are useless.  I have been dragging my heels, hoping I can 
someday use the MnM as a stand-alone hardware seqeuncer to sequence 
my polyphonic gear, but... maybe it's time to give up and go back to 
Cubase.

-gerald

Re: [elektron] Monomachine with computer sequencer

2004-02-21 by Gene Schwartz

But how do you solve the specific issues I was talking about? If you're
trying to record a MIDI track on the monomachine, and listen to the the
other synth at the same time?
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From: john parker <jenghizkhan@...>
Reply-To: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2004 12:19:26 -0500
To: <elektron-users@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [elektron] Monomachine with computer sequencer


this probably is no help but...i have the mono, virus, evolver, and
machinedrum connected to an edirol um-550.  my set up seemed really simple:
logic reads each machine as a different port and i can patch everything
manually on the edirol as i need it.

From: Gene Schwartz <implode7@...>
Reply-To: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2004 09:01:11 -0800
To: <elektron-users@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [elektron] Monomachine with computer sequencer


I posted about some of the issues that I was having, and thanks to Joe, I
solved one of them, but there are still issues. They don't really seem to be
related to the Monomachine per se, but to any instrument that is being used
to sequence one or more other synths through a computer sequencer and
multiport MIDI interface environment. I'm wondering if anyone else has used
the monomachine in a computer sequencer environment, and how they've dealt
with this.

Suppose you're using the monomachine to sequence the Virus C. If you have
all your synths set up through a multiport MIDI interface and the computer,
the signal flow would be that the monomachine would send out the MIDI
information to the computer sequencer (in this case Logic), which would then
send it out to the Virus. The problem is in recording the data from a
keyboard controller.  The keyboard sends the note values to Logic, which
then sends to the autochannel on the monomachine, and records the notes. But
in order to hear the Virus, it has to receive the MIDI data also. The
problem is that the monomachine echoes the note values back to Logic, which
sends them back out to the monomachine, and I get a MIDI feedback loop. The
only solution I've found is to connect the Virus directly to the Monomachine
(which is not to say that no solution exists. Logic is quite flexible, but I
just haven't found a solution to this yet, at least one that is
satisfactory.)

I still think that if there were a quick way to toggle MIDI transmission
on/off from the Monomachine (ideally per track) this would be ideal. If I
could do that, then I could simply send the note information to both the
monomachine and the virus when recording (so I could hear what I'm playing),
and then turn the MIDI transmission on afterwards.

Of course, there are still issues - I'd have to set up an instrument in
logic which would send, e.g. channel 11 from the monomachine to the Virus,
channel 12 to the evolver, etc, but I don't think that those are
insurmountable.

I don't mind, for now, connecting the Virus directly to the monomachine, and
then the evolvers, and throwing in the machinedrum when it arrives. But,
especially when I update this ancient computer, I will be also using it as a
central controller (as much as I like the monomachine...) and I don't want
to be always plugging and unplugging stuff.

So, basically, right now, I'm not sure of the best, most flexible way to set
all this stuff up. Any creative ideas would be appreciated.






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Re: [elektron] Monomachine with computer sequencer

2004-02-21 by Gene Schwartz

I'm not sure what you mean - it will allow me to send note info to the Virus
on the auto-channel (and Virus simultaneously), while keeping the
monomachine from echoing back the MIDi information?
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From: Joe <jmelnyk@...>
Reply-To: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2004 13:20:29 -0500
To: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [elektron] Monomachine with computer sequencer


On Sat, Feb 21, 2004 at 09:53:12AM -0800, Gene Schwartz wrote:
>    Well, again - the problem arises when recording, so I can't turn MIDI
>    reception off.
>    I  really  am surprised that there isn't a way to suppress MIDI out on
>    it. It
>    seems like a standard feature.

actually, I'm pretty sure that setting the channel span to 0 will disable
MIDI transmission/reception entirely (except for clock/transport).

Joe

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Re: [elektron] Re: Monomachine with computer sequencer

2004-02-21 by Gene Schwartz

> 
> 
> From: "oldmanfury" <erinys@...>
> Reply-To: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2004 18:38:54 -0000
> To: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [elektron] Re: Monomachine with computer sequencer
> 
> 
> --- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, Gene Schwartz <implode7@p...>
> wrote:
>> Suppose you're using the monomachine to sequence the Virus C.
> 
> I really want to use my mono to sequence my Indigo, but until
> elektron includes polyphony in the Midi sequencer section, it is
> probably best to just use a computer sequencer.

Well, i know what you mean, but I like the way things are coming out working
on the monomachine, and I like the ability to use the MIDI sequencer to send
controller values with parameter locks, etc.

> It sounds like you
> aren't sequencing the Virus with the mono, but using the keyboard to
> record sequences in Logic that you want to play back.

Incorrect. I'm using the keyboard to record sequences on the monomachine.
Logic just acts as an intermediary. It allows me to retain the flexibility
of being hooked up to the computer/mIdi setup, and also use the monomachine
to control various things...if I can get it all to work without too many
glitches.

>  Best way to do 
> this would be to stop using the "any channel" mode, and dedicate
> specific channels to specific instruments.

Not sure how this helps. I still need an easy way to deal with the MIDI
messages looped back by the monomachine.

> Connect everything
> through Logic and do the routing there.  Rout your midi ports so that
> the MnM out goes to your other instrument inputs but don't rout their
> outputs anywhere.  Use device numbers 10, 11, 12... for external
> gear, and use the Midi sequencer on the monomachine's tracks 1,2,3...
> for each piece of gear respectively.  For the monomachine, make sure
> that its input and output ports are not set to pass midi to eachother
> through Logic.


I'm not entirely sure what you're saying exactly, but I think I agree that
the solution lies in preventing Logic from echoing back the monomachine's
midi. 

> 
> I am surprised that you cannot turn the midi-thru off on the MnM, but
> I can't find this feature in the manual, so you'll have to do it in
> Logic. 

right - I think it's a major omission, actually. But I imagine it would be
easy to implement.

I haven't tried any of this by the way, so I apologize if my
> comments are useless.  I have been dragging my heels, hoping I can
> someday use the MnM as a stand-alone hardware seqeuncer to sequence
> my polyphonic gear, but... maybe it's time to give up and go back to
> Cubase.
> 

It sounds like, 'logically' you're thinking along the same lines as me. I'm
rusty though in setting up complicated stuff in Logic, and so far I haven't
gotten this to work.

On the other hand, I gave up in frustration and connected my monomachine to
the virus, and the virus to an evolver, and things are working very
smoothly... I like the way I think on the monomachine, although at this
point the interface is not second nature to me.


> -gerald
> 
> 
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Re: [elektron] Monomachine with computer sequencer

2004-02-21 by Joe

It will turn off the MnM's transmission/reception of it's own MIDI
data (i.e. it's internal six tracks).  Whether this will work or not, I
don't know.  I think you need to explain exactly what is creating your
feedback loop. is it the MnM's MIDI data or the MnM's MIDI sequencing
of the Virus?

as to your comments regarding the MnM's lack of MIDI functionality:
I only have one synth that actually allows the THRU to be turned off.
some others have a "local off" mode just as the MnM does. so I don't really
think its a common and needed feature. though you're right, it could
likely easily be done.

Joe
Show quoted textHide quoted text
On Sat, Feb 21, 2004 at 12:06:31PM -0800, Gene Schwartz wrote:
>    I'm not sure what you mean - it will allow me to send note info to the
>    Virus
>    on the auto-channel (and Virus simultaneously), while keeping the
>    monomachine from echoing back the MIDi information?

Re: [elektron] Monomachine with computer sequencer

2004-02-21 by john parker

with my solution you would have to get the same midi interface: edirol
um-550 or 880.  it can be both controlled by the computer and as a separate
hardware midi router.  it has actual buttons that you can use to patch or
merge midi data and that data does not need to go through the computer at
all.  furthermore, you never have to plug or unplug cables.

basically, if you have this interface you can route everything through it
and not through logic.

so in your case you could patch the mono and virus through the edirol which
is basically your preference now without going through the computer at all.
at the same time you can record all the data to logic without sending data
back to either machine.  you can even merge data within the um-550 that you
want to come from logic and data that you want to come from the mono so that
they both go to the virus.  in logic i usually set up a track for each port
which is dedicated to each machine on different midi channels.

as a side note, you can also solve your polyphony problem by patching
another keyboard through the edirol and recording that data with the mono
data into logic and then routing it back to the virus.  so the mono just
controls one sound in the virus.

i don't usually like edirol but i could not find any other midi interface
like this one.  i like the fact that i can actually hit buttons on the fly
to change what is controlling what without having to think about it too
much.

so would this work or am i still not understanding your problem?

john
Show quoted textHide quoted text
From: Gene Schwartz <implode7@...>
Reply-To: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2004 12:04:27 -0800
To: <elektron-users@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [elektron] Monomachine with computer sequencer


But how do you solve the specific issues I was talking about? If you're
trying to record a MIDI track on the monomachine, and listen to the the
other synth at the same time?

From: john parker <jenghizkhan@...>
Reply-To: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2004 12:19:26 -0500
To: <elektron-users@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [elektron] Monomachine with computer sequencer


this probably is no help but...i have the mono, virus, evolver, and
machinedrum connected to an edirol um-550.  my set up seemed really simple:
logic reads each machine as a different port and i can patch everything
manually on the edirol as i need it.

From: Gene Schwartz <implode7@...>
Reply-To: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2004 09:01:11 -0800
To: <elektron-users@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [elektron] Monomachine with computer sequencer


I posted about some of the issues that I was having, and thanks to Joe, I
solved one of them, but there are still issues. They don't really seem to be
related to the Monomachine per se, but to any instrument that is being used
to sequence one or more other synths through a computer sequencer and
multiport MIDI interface environment. I'm wondering if anyone else has used
the monomachine in a computer sequencer environment, and how they've dealt
with this.

Suppose you're using the monomachine to sequence the Virus C. If you have
all your synths set up through a multiport MIDI interface and the computer,
the signal flow would be that the monomachine would send out the MIDI
information to the computer sequencer (in this case Logic), which would then
send it out to the Virus. The problem is in recording the data from a
keyboard controller.  The keyboard sends the note values to Logic, which
then sends to the autochannel on the monomachine, and records the notes. But
in order to hear the Virus, it has to receive the MIDI data also. The
problem is that the monomachine echoes the note values back to Logic, which
sends them back out to the monomachine, and I get a MIDI feedback loop. The
only solution I've found is to connect the Virus directly to the Monomachine
(which is not to say that no solution exists. Logic is quite flexible, but I
just haven't found a solution to this yet, at least one that is
satisfactory.)

I still think that if there were a quick way to toggle MIDI transmission
on/off from the Monomachine (ideally per track) this would be ideal. If I
could do that, then I could simply send the note information to both the
monomachine and the virus when recording (so I could hear what I'm playing),
and then turn the MIDI transmission on afterwards.

Of course, there are still issues - I'd have to set up an instrument in
logic which would send, e.g. channel 11 from the monomachine to the Virus,
channel 12 to the evolver, etc, but I don't think that those are
insurmountable.

I don't mind, for now, connecting the Virus directly to the monomachine, and
then the evolvers, and throwing in the machinedrum when it arrives. But,
especially when I update this ancient computer, I will be also using it as a
central controller (as much as I like the monomachine...) and I don't want
to be always plugging and unplugging stuff.

So, basically, right now, I'm not sure of the best, most flexible way to set
all this stuff up. Any creative ideas would be appreciated.






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Re: [elektron] Monomachine with computer sequencer

2004-02-21 by Gene Schwartz

The transmission of its own data isn't the problem. So this would not be the
solution.

I was not talking about MIDI thru specifically - but most synthesizers (at
least modern ones) have a setting that allow you to suppress midi output.
most synths won't automatically send midi thru - I believe that the
monomachine does here because the assumption is that if you're recording
MIDI data on it from an external controller, you would want the data echoed
to the synth that you're playing. Well, this would be one instance when you
wouldn't want that.  We can debate whether it's 'needed' - but certainly a
feature that allowed you to suppress MIDI thru while recording MIDI would
recognize the issues that arise when using a computer sequencer centrally in
the environment, and would be exactly what is needed, uh wanted. I will
continue to find a way of getting this to work, however.
Show quoted textHide quoted text
From: Joe <jmelnyk@...>
Reply-To: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2004 15:19:48 -0500
To: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [elektron] Monomachine with computer sequencer


It will turn off the MnM's transmission/reception of it's own MIDI
data (i.e. it's internal six tracks).  Whether this will work or not, I
don't know.  I think you need to explain exactly what is creating your
feedback loop. is it the MnM's MIDI data or the MnM's MIDI sequencing
of the Virus?

as to your comments regarding the MnM's lack of MIDI functionality:
I only have one synth that actually allows the THRU to be turned off.
some others have a "local off" mode just as the MnM does. so I don't really
think its a common and needed feature. though you're right, it could
likely easily be done.

Joe


On Sat, Feb 21, 2004 at 12:06:31PM -0800, Gene Schwartz wrote:
>    I'm not sure what you mean - it will allow me to send note info to the
>    Virus
>    on the auto-channel (and Virus simultaneously), while keeping the
>    monomachine from echoing back the MIDi information?

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Re: [elektron] Monomachine with computer sequencer

2004-02-21 by john parker

i had the same problems as you.  i thought i just could not figure out how
to do it.  i would fix one thing then another thing would go wrong.  i'm
sure there is a way to do it, too.  but the edirol has streamlined
everything (especially since i had everything daisy chained before).

one of the problems is as you stated:  the virus is polyphonic and the
evolver and mono are monophonic.  the virus does not have a sequencer but
the mono and evolver do.  now that i've played with all this gear for a
while i decided to sell the virus c and that has allowed me to be less logic
dependent.

one other point: i'm gathering that you do not have the keyboard version of
the mono.  i have the keyboard version so that eliminates some problems
right away.  you may have come across a bug?

j
Show quoted textHide quoted text
From: Gene Schwartz <implode7@...>
Reply-To: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2004 13:29:13 -0800
To: <elektron-users@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [elektron] Monomachine with computer sequencer


well, potentially it would work, because the problem is really a routing
issue. I keep on thinking it will be easy in Logic, but I keep on running
into roadblocks. I have a MIDI interface (ancient studio 5) that should be
capable of this routing, but I've never found a way to have it send MIDI
clocks without a sequencer.

But, I might look into this edirol thing, or something similar, anyway,
given that I'm thinking of selling what I use for a keyboard anyway (micro
q).

Gene

From: john parker <jenghizkhan@...>
Reply-To: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2004 15:37:49 -0500
To: <elektron-users@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [elektron] Monomachine with computer sequencer


with my solution you would have to get the same midi interface: edirol
um-550 or 880.  it can be both controlled by the computer and as a separate
hardware midi router.  it has actual buttons that you can use to patch or
merge midi data and that data does not need to go through the computer at
all.  furthermore, you never have to plug or unplug cables.

basically, if you have this interface you can route everything through it
and not through logic.

so in your case you could patch the mono and virus through the edirol which
is basically your preference now without going through the computer at all.
at the same time you can record all the data to logic without sending data
back to either machine.  you can even merge data within the um-550 that you
want to come from logic and data that you want to come from the mono so that
they both go to the virus.  in logic i usually set up a track for each port
which is dedicated to each machine on different midi channels.

as a side note, you can also solve your polyphony problem by patching
another keyboard through the edirol and recording that data with the mono
data into logic and then routing it back to the virus.  so the mono just
controls one sound in the virus.

i don't usually like edirol but i could not find any other midi interface
like this one.  i like the fact that i can actually hit buttons on the fly
to change what is controlling what without having to think about it too
much.

so would this work or am i still not understanding your problem?

john

From: Gene Schwartz <implode7@...>
Reply-To: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2004 12:04:27 -0800
To: <elektron-users@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [elektron] Monomachine with computer sequencer


But how do you solve the specific issues I was talking about? If you're
trying to record a MIDI track on the monomachine, and listen to the the
other synth at the same time?

From: john parker <jenghizkhan@...>
Reply-To: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2004 12:19:26 -0500
To: <elektron-users@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [elektron] Monomachine with computer sequencer


this probably is no help but...i have the mono, virus, evolver, and
machinedrum connected to an edirol um-550.  my set up seemed really simple:
logic reads each machine as a different port and i can patch everything
manually on the edirol as i need it.

From: Gene Schwartz <implode7@...>
Reply-To: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2004 09:01:11 -0800
To: <elektron-users@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [elektron] Monomachine with computer sequencer


I posted about some of the issues that I was having, and thanks to Joe, I
solved one of them, but there are still issues. They don't really seem to be
related to the Monomachine per se, but to any instrument that is being used
to sequence one or more other synths through a computer sequencer and
multiport MIDI interface environment. I'm wondering if anyone else has used
the monomachine in a computer sequencer environment, and how they've dealt
with this.

Suppose you're using the monomachine to sequence the Virus C. If you have
all your synths set up through a multiport MIDI interface and the computer,
the signal flow would be that the monomachine would send out the MIDI
information to the computer sequencer (in this case Logic), which would then
send it out to the Virus. The problem is in recording the data from a
keyboard controller.  The keyboard sends the note values to Logic, which
then sends to the autochannel on the monomachine, and records the notes. But
in order to hear the Virus, it has to receive the MIDI data also. The
problem is that the monomachine echoes the note values back to Logic, which
sends them back out to the monomachine, and I get a MIDI feedback loop. The
only solution I've found is to connect the Virus directly to the Monomachine
(which is not to say that no solution exists. Logic is quite flexible, but I
just haven't found a solution to this yet, at least one that is
satisfactory.)

I still think that if there were a quick way to toggle MIDI transmission
on/off from the Monomachine (ideally per track) this would be ideal. If I
could do that, then I could simply send the note information to both the
monomachine and the virus when recording (so I could hear what I'm playing),
and then turn the MIDI transmission on afterwards.

Of course, there are still issues - I'd have to set up an instrument in
logic which would send, e.g. channel 11 from the monomachine to the Virus,
channel 12 to the evolver, etc, but I don't think that those are
insurmountable.

I don't mind, for now, connecting the Virus directly to the monomachine, and
then the evolvers, and throwing in the machinedrum when it arrives. But,
especially when I update this ancient computer, I will be also using it as a
central controller (as much as I like the monomachine...) and I don't want
to be always plugging and unplugging stuff.

So, basically, right now, I'm not sure of the best, most flexible way to set
all this stuff up. Any creative ideas would be appreciated.






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Re: [elektron] Monomachine with computer sequencer

2004-02-21 by Gene Schwartz

well, potentially it would work, because the problem is really a routing
issue. I keep on thinking it will be easy in Logic, but I keep on running
into roadblocks. I have a MIDI interface (ancient studio 5) that should be
capable of this routing, but I've never found a way to have it send MIDI
clocks without a sequencer.

But, I might look into this edirol thing, or something similar, anyway,
given that I'm thinking of selling what I use for a keyboard anyway (micro
q).

Gene
Show quoted textHide quoted text
From: john parker <jenghizkhan@...>
Reply-To: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2004 15:37:49 -0500
To: <elektron-users@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [elektron] Monomachine with computer sequencer


with my solution you would have to get the same midi interface: edirol
um-550 or 880.  it can be both controlled by the computer and as a separate
hardware midi router.  it has actual buttons that you can use to patch or
merge midi data and that data does not need to go through the computer at
all.  furthermore, you never have to plug or unplug cables.

basically, if you have this interface you can route everything through it
and not through logic.

so in your case you could patch the mono and virus through the edirol which
is basically your preference now without going through the computer at all.
at the same time you can record all the data to logic without sending data
back to either machine.  you can even merge data within the um-550 that you
want to come from logic and data that you want to come from the mono so that
they both go to the virus.  in logic i usually set up a track for each port
which is dedicated to each machine on different midi channels.

as a side note, you can also solve your polyphony problem by patching
another keyboard through the edirol and recording that data with the mono
data into logic and then routing it back to the virus.  so the mono just
controls one sound in the virus.

i don't usually like edirol but i could not find any other midi interface
like this one.  i like the fact that i can actually hit buttons on the fly
to change what is controlling what without having to think about it too
much.

so would this work or am i still not understanding your problem?

john

From: Gene Schwartz <implode7@...>
Reply-To: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2004 12:04:27 -0800
To: <elektron-users@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [elektron] Monomachine with computer sequencer


But how do you solve the specific issues I was talking about? If you're
trying to record a MIDI track on the monomachine, and listen to the the
other synth at the same time?

From: john parker <jenghizkhan@...>
Reply-To: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2004 12:19:26 -0500
To: <elektron-users@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [elektron] Monomachine with computer sequencer


this probably is no help but...i have the mono, virus, evolver, and
machinedrum connected to an edirol um-550.  my set up seemed really simple:
logic reads each machine as a different port and i can patch everything
manually on the edirol as i need it.

From: Gene Schwartz <implode7@...>
Reply-To: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2004 09:01:11 -0800
To: <elektron-users@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [elektron] Monomachine with computer sequencer


I posted about some of the issues that I was having, and thanks to Joe, I
solved one of them, but there are still issues. They don't really seem to be
related to the Monomachine per se, but to any instrument that is being used
to sequence one or more other synths through a computer sequencer and
multiport MIDI interface environment. I'm wondering if anyone else has used
the monomachine in a computer sequencer environment, and how they've dealt
with this.

Suppose you're using the monomachine to sequence the Virus C. If you have
all your synths set up through a multiport MIDI interface and the computer,
the signal flow would be that the monomachine would send out the MIDI
information to the computer sequencer (in this case Logic), which would then
send it out to the Virus. The problem is in recording the data from a
keyboard controller.  The keyboard sends the note values to Logic, which
then sends to the autochannel on the monomachine, and records the notes. But
in order to hear the Virus, it has to receive the MIDI data also. The
problem is that the monomachine echoes the note values back to Logic, which
sends them back out to the monomachine, and I get a MIDI feedback loop. The
only solution I've found is to connect the Virus directly to the Monomachine
(which is not to say that no solution exists. Logic is quite flexible, but I
just haven't found a solution to this yet, at least one that is
satisfactory.)

I still think that if there were a quick way to toggle MIDI transmission
on/off from the Monomachine (ideally per track) this would be ideal. If I
could do that, then I could simply send the note information to both the
monomachine and the virus when recording (so I could hear what I'm playing),
and then turn the MIDI transmission on afterwards.

Of course, there are still issues - I'd have to set up an instrument in
logic which would send, e.g. channel 11 from the monomachine to the Virus,
channel 12 to the evolver, etc, but I don't think that those are
insurmountable.

I don't mind, for now, connecting the Virus directly to the monomachine, and
then the evolvers, and throwing in the machinedrum when it arrives. But,
especially when I update this ancient computer, I will be also using it as a
central controller (as much as I like the monomachine...) and I don't want
to be always plugging and unplugging stuff.

So, basically, right now, I'm not sure of the best, most flexible way to set
all this stuff up. Any creative ideas would be appreciated.






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Re: [elektron] Monomachine with computer sequencer

2004-02-21 by Joe

On Sat, Feb 21, 2004 at 01:24:09PM -0800, Gene Schwartz wrote:
>    The  transmission of its own data isn't the problem. So this would not
>    be the
>    solution.

so what is the problem then? which channel(s) is(are) causing the MIDI
feedback?

>    I was not talking about MIDI thru specifically - but most synthesizers
>    (at
>    least  modern  ones)  have  a  setting that allow you to suppress midi
>    output.

the THRU port isn't MIDI output, it's simply an echo of the IN port. and
the MnM's MIDI output can be surpressed as I've mentioned.

>    most synths won't automatically send midi thru

99% of all synths I've used (with a thru port) do.

>    - I believe that the
>    monomachine  does  here  because  the  assumption  is  that  if you're
>    recording
>    MIDI  data  on it from an external controller, you would want the data
>    echoed
>    to  the  synth  that  you're playing. 

that of course assumes that the device to be controlled has two MIDI IN
ports - one to connect to the MnM's OUT port and one to connect to the
MnM's THRU port. and most synths out there don't have two IN ports.

again, the THRU is just an echo of the IN port.

>    I
>    will
>    continue to find a way of getting this to work, however.

No offense, but I seriously think you're making this way more difficult
than it actually is.  Or maybe it's just the explanations that are lacking
and I don't accurately understand the problem.

Joe

Re: [elektron] Monomachine with computer sequencer

2004-02-21 by Gene Schwartz

right - I have the keyboardless version.

I didn't express any issues about polyphony verus monophony...that might
have been someone else.

I don't think I want to sell my virus. I think it's really a fine synth -
perhaps because it's intent is to so closely model an analog synth, it's
very easy to get a good sounding patch with it, I think. The monomachine
strays from these conventions, which is one of the things that attracted me
to it, but I also find it takes longer for me to get a sound I like on it.
Show quoted textHide quoted text
From: john parker <jenghizkhan@...>
Reply-To: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2004 16:27:52 -0500
To: <elektron-users@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [elektron] Monomachine with computer sequencer


i had the same problems as you.  i thought i just could not figure out how
to do it.  i would fix one thing then another thing would go wrong.  i'm
sure there is a way to do it, too.  but the edirol has streamlined
everything (especially since i had everything daisy chained before).

one of the problems is as you stated:  the virus is polyphonic and the
evolver and mono are monophonic.  the virus does not have a sequencer but
the mono and evolver do.  now that i've played with all this gear for a
while i decided to sell the virus c and that has allowed me to be less logic
dependent.

one other point: i'm gathering that you do not have the keyboard version of
the mono.  i have the keyboard version so that eliminates some problems
right away.  you may have come across a bug?

j



From: Gene Schwartz <implode7@...>
Reply-To: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2004 13:29:13 -0800
To: <elektron-users@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [elektron] Monomachine with computer sequencer


well, potentially it would work, because the problem is really a routing
issue. I keep on thinking it will be easy in Logic, but I keep on running
into roadblocks. I have a MIDI interface (ancient studio 5) that should be
capable of this routing, but I've never found a way to have it send MIDI
clocks without a sequencer.

But, I might look into this edirol thing, or something similar, anyway,
given that I'm thinking of selling what I use for a keyboard anyway (micro
q).

Gene

From: john parker <jenghizkhan@...>
Reply-To: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2004 15:37:49 -0500
To: <elektron-users@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [elektron] Monomachine with computer sequencer


with my solution you would have to get the same midi interface: edirol
um-550 or 880.  it can be both controlled by the computer and as a separate
hardware midi router.  it has actual buttons that you can use to patch or
merge midi data and that data does not need to go through the computer at
all.  furthermore, you never have to plug or unplug cables.

basically, if you have this interface you can route everything through it
and not through logic.

so in your case you could patch the mono and virus through the edirol which
is basically your preference now without going through the computer at all.
at the same time you can record all the data to logic without sending data
back to either machine.  you can even merge data within the um-550 that you
want to come from logic and data that you want to come from the mono so that
they both go to the virus.  in logic i usually set up a track for each port
which is dedicated to each machine on different midi channels.

as a side note, you can also solve your polyphony problem by patching
another keyboard through the edirol and recording that data with the mono
data into logic and then routing it back to the virus.  so the mono just
controls one sound in the virus.

i don't usually like edirol but i could not find any other midi interface
like this one.  i like the fact that i can actually hit buttons on the fly
to change what is controlling what without having to think about it too
much.

so would this work or am i still not understanding your problem?

john

From: Gene Schwartz <implode7@...>
Reply-To: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2004 12:04:27 -0800
To: <elektron-users@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [elektron] Monomachine with computer sequencer


But how do you solve the specific issues I was talking about? If you're
trying to record a MIDI track on the monomachine, and listen to the the
other synth at the same time?

From: john parker <jenghizkhan@...>
Reply-To: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2004 12:19:26 -0500
To: <elektron-users@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [elektron] Monomachine with computer sequencer


this probably is no help but...i have the mono, virus, evolver, and
machinedrum connected to an edirol um-550.  my set up seemed really simple:
logic reads each machine as a different port and i can patch everything
manually on the edirol as i need it.

From: Gene Schwartz <implode7@...>
Reply-To: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2004 09:01:11 -0800
To: <elektron-users@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [elektron] Monomachine with computer sequencer


I posted about some of the issues that I was having, and thanks to Joe, I
solved one of them, but there are still issues. They don't really seem to be
related to the Monomachine per se, but to any instrument that is being used
to sequence one or more other synths through a computer sequencer and
multiport MIDI interface environment. I'm wondering if anyone else has used
the monomachine in a computer sequencer environment, and how they've dealt
with this.

Suppose you're using the monomachine to sequence the Virus C. If you have
all your synths set up through a multiport MIDI interface and the computer,
the signal flow would be that the monomachine would send out the MIDI
information to the computer sequencer (in this case Logic), which would then
send it out to the Virus. The problem is in recording the data from a
keyboard controller.  The keyboard sends the note values to Logic, which
then sends to the autochannel on the monomachine, and records the notes. But
in order to hear the Virus, it has to receive the MIDI data also. The
problem is that the monomachine echoes the note values back to Logic, which
sends them back out to the monomachine, and I get a MIDI feedback loop. The
only solution I've found is to connect the Virus directly to the Monomachine
(which is not to say that no solution exists. Logic is quite flexible, but I
just haven't found a solution to this yet, at least one that is
satisfactory.)

I still think that if there were a quick way to toggle MIDI transmission
on/off from the Monomachine (ideally per track) this would be ideal. If I
could do that, then I could simply send the note information to both the
monomachine and the virus when recording (so I could hear what I'm playing),
and then turn the MIDI transmission on afterwards.

Of course, there are still issues - I'd have to set up an instrument in
logic which would send, e.g. channel 11 from the monomachine to the Virus,
channel 12 to the evolver, etc, but I don't think that those are
insurmountable.

I don't mind, for now, connecting the Virus directly to the monomachine, and
then the evolvers, and throwing in the machinedrum when it arrives. But,
especially when I update this ancient computer, I will be also using it as a
central controller (as much as I like the monomachine...) and I don't want
to be always plugging and unplugging stuff.

So, basically, right now, I'm not sure of the best, most flexible way to set
all this stuff up. Any creative ideas would be appreciated.






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Re: [elektron] Monomachine with computer sequencer

2004-02-21 by Gene Schwartz

> 
> From: Joe <jmelnyk@...>
> Reply-To: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2004 16:42:26 -0500
> To: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [elektron] Monomachine with computer sequencer
> 
> 
> On Sat, Feb 21, 2004 at 01:24:09PM -0800, Gene Schwartz wrote:
>> The  transmission of its own data isn't the problem. So this would not
>> be the
>> solution.
> 
> so what is the problem then? which channel(s) is(are) causing the MIDI
> feedback?
> 

Objective - record MIDI onto the monomachine, say on midi track one, and
here the destination synth (say the Virus) simultaneously. Play notes from
Keyboard controller.

Choose output instrument monomachine channel 9 (the autochannel) in logic,
and also the virus, channel 11 which is the channel that the monomachine is
set to send out on MIDI track 1.

Start recording. Notes are sent into Logic from the keyboard (should I
mention that I am not using the keyboard version of the monomachine), and
then rechannelized to channel 9 in Logic and sent out to the monomachine.
The monomachine echoes these notes on channel 11, and they come back into
Logic, and then back out, rechannelized to channel 9 to the monomachine. So,
the seemingly easy task is to block these notes before they get sent back to
the monomachine. Yes, it seems like it should be easy. So far, I have not
been successful.


>> I was not talking about MIDI thru specifically - but most synthesizers
>> (at
>> least  modern  ones)  have  a  setting that allow you to suppress midi
>> output.
> 
> the THRU port isn't MIDI output, it's simply an echo of the IN port. and
> the MnM's MIDI output can be surpressed as I've mentioned.
> 

Yes, I understand the difference between MIDI thru and MIDI out. The
monomachine is sending these notes THROUGH the out port. They are not being
generated by the monomachine - unles you want to say that they are being
generated as they are being recorded. I don't see that your methodology
would suppress this from happening.

>> most synths won't automatically send midi thru
> 
> 99% of all synths I've used (with a thru port) do.
> 

Well, I'm not using the MIDI thru. I never at any point suggested that I was
using the MIDI thru.

>> - I believe that the
>> monomachine  does  here  because  the  assumption  is  that  if you're
>> recording
>> MIDI  data  on it from an external controller, you would want the data
>> echoed
>> to  the  synth  that  you're playing.
> 
> that of course assumes that the device to be controlled has two MIDI IN
> ports - one to connect to the MnM's OUT port and one to connect to the
> MnM's THRU port. and most synths out there don't have two IN ports.

I don't follow your logic at all. I never said that I was using the thru
port.

> 
> again, the THRU is just an echo of the IN port.
> 
>> I
>> will
>> continue to find a way of getting this to work, however.
> 
> No offense, but I seriously think you're making this way more difficult
> than it actually is.  Or maybe it's just the explanations that are lacking
> and I don't accurately understand the problem.
> 

No offense, but I think you need to read what I've been saying more
carefully.

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Re: [elektron] Monomachine with computer sequencer

2004-02-21 by Joe

On Sat, Feb 21, 2004 at 02:32:47PM -0800, Gene Schwartz wrote:
>    Yes, I understand the difference between MIDI thru and MIDI out. The
>    monomachine  is sending these notes THROUGH the out port. They are not
>    being
>    generated  by  the  monomachine  - unles you want to say that they are
>    being
>    generated   as  they  are  being  recorded.

yes, because they are then going to channel 11; which is OUT as far as the
MnM is concerned.

>    Well, I'm not using the MIDI thru. I never at any point suggested that
>    I was
>    using the MIDI thru.

you mentioned MIDI thru three or more times in the post to which I was
previously responding. if you're using "thru" as a routing term and
not related to the port, then perhaps you should choose a different
word given that MIDI thru is a keyword in this context and the confusion
that may (as is) result.

>    No offense, but I think you need to read what I've been saying more
>    carefully.

that's fine.  I've spent over half an hour trying to help you today just to
be nice.  but since I apparently can't read well enough (and it's indeed not
your up-till-now vague descriptions that are the problem), then I'll
suggest that you wait for someone else to help you.

Good luck!
Joe

Re: [elektron] Monomachine with computer sequencer

2004-02-21 by Gene Schwartz

I noticed something else - I am setting up the monomachine, virus, etc to
try again to get this to work in logic - I have recorded note info and
controller parameter locks on midi track one on the monomachine. I am
noticing that despite the fact that the monomachine is not playing - it is
totally stopped - it is spewing forth controller information anyway.  I'm
not sure how this is a good thing...

Re: [elektron] Monomachine with computer sequencer

2004-02-21 by Gene Schwartz

> 
> 
> From: Joe <jmelnyk@...>
> Reply-To: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2004 17:47:01 -0500
> To: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [elektron] Monomachine with computer sequencer
> 
> 
> On Sat, Feb 21, 2004 at 02:32:47PM -0800, Gene Schwartz wrote:
>> Yes, I understand the difference between MIDI thru and MIDI out. The
>> monomachine  is sending these notes THROUGH the out port. They are not
>> being
>> generated  by  the  monomachine  - unles you want to say that they are
>> being
>> generated   as  they  are  being  recorded.
> 
> yes, because they are then going to channel 11; which is OUT as far as the
> MnM is concerned.
> 

well, ok - that's what I've been saying.

>> Well, I'm not using the MIDI thru. I never at any point suggested that
>> I was
>> using the MIDI thru.
> 
> you mentioned MIDI thru three or more times in the post to which I was
> previously responding.

I just read that post. I don't think that there was much ambiguity in what I
was saying there, or what I've been saying. Perhaps you should read them
again. 

Look - i've been doing this stuff for longer than you, I imagine. Your
attitude is quite patronizing.

>if you're using "thru" as a routing term and
> not related to the port, then perhaps you should choose a different
> word given that MIDI thru is a keyword in this context and the confusion
> that may (as is) result.
> 
>> No offense, but I think you need to read what I've been saying more
>> carefully.
> 
> that's fine.  I've spent over half an hour trying to help you today just to
> be nice.  but since I apparently can't read well enough (and it's indeed not
> your up-till-now vague descriptions that are the problem), then I'll
> suggest that you wait for someone else to help you.
> 

Fine. I appreciate your trying to help. That is always welcome. However,
your attitude, which is patronizing is not.

> Good luck!
> Joe
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Re: [elektron] Re: Setting up MD, Mono and other synths

2004-02-23 by Chris Thomas

Whelp, after a few hours in the studio this weekend I managed to get a
pretty decent base for a track down. Here's a two minute snippet, which
is going to be expanded on over the course of this week, as I have time.

http://lfo.fsck.org/~chris/music/ecksfive_-_mnm_fun1.5.mp3

This is the machinedrum and monomachine running into my mackie 8bus for
eq. The only outboard gear used was a tiny amount of reverb al la DP/4 on 
some md parts, and a tc triple c multiband compressor at the end of the 
whole chain. The recording was taken from the main mix.

Comments, questions, feedback?

Cheers,
-Chris
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On Fri, Feb 20, 2004 at 05:09:19PM -0500, Chris Thomas wrote:
> heheheheh
> I have had a machinedrum for about 2 years now. Completely love it and
> would not trade it for anything. You will get the most out of it by
> completely wiping the whole damn thing after you buy it, and start
> piecing your own kits together.
> I just got my monomachine yesterday - it blew me away completely. The
> online sound clips don't do it justice.
> I'm glad its the weekend. I'm gonna be monoing it up for the next few
> days. It will be nice to be able to use it with the md and see what
> happens.
> I'll post some stuff up for people to hear once it's been recorded :)
> On another note.. I'm also anxious to see how the evolver and/or the md
> will benefit from being run into the mono's inputs...
> 
> -Chris

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