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2012-06-10 by cheju_99
After spending many dollars buying the technical manual, and the 6500 scan processor from eprelectronics, definitely with no success triying to start an emax 1- Right now got the unit with the display showing black boxes, a floppy drive who doesn�t spin, and definitely no boot. Any idea from the people�s forum????......hurry the trash truck is coming.
2012-06-10 by jammie
check the digital to audio board cable have you got it reversed
----- Original Message -----
From: cheju_99
To: emax@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2012 3:50 AM
Subject: [emax] black boxes No boot
After spending many dollars buying the technical manual, and the 6500 scan processor from eprelectronics, definitely with no success triying to start an emax 1- Right now got the unit with the display showing black boxes, a floppy drive who doesn´t spin, and definitely no boot. Any idea from the people´s forum????......hurry the trash truck is coming.
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]2012-06-10 by Ted Summers
You may also wish to reseat the IC's on the right half of the Emax logic board including the EPROM. My testbed for the SCSI kits does this as it gets flexed from many IC removal / replacement and so the seating of IC's isn't great. Once I reseat everything I will get my display back and floppy whirring away- IT's ALIVE, ALIVE!!!! BWAHAHAHA!!! Just a thought. The other option is to send it to jammie or me (depend on where you live). I doubt it is dead, you may just be looking at the wrong thing / area of the board. or Jammie has some boards... I do believe. Thx, Ted On Jun 10, 2012, at 2:12 AM, jammie wrote: check the digital to audio board cable have you got it reversed
----- Original Message ----- From: cheju_99 To: emax@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2012 3:50 AM Subject: [emax] black boxes No boot After spending many dollars buying the technical manual, and the 6500 scan processor from eprelectronics, definitely with no success triying to start an emax 1- Right now got the unit with the display showing black boxes, a floppy drive who doesn�t spin, and definitely no boot. Any idea from the people�s forum????......hurry the trash truck is coming. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2012-06-10 by cheju_99
Yes i already check the cables pin 1 is ok. My brother (digital electronics technician) insist that is a power issue, 'cos no spin on the floopy but we checked completely the psu and q2 on the board but the volts are ok, i am seriously thinkig my pal chips are dead, what do you think??? --- In emax@yahoogroups.com, Ted Summers <djtbs1@...> wrote:
> > You may also wish to reseat the IC's on the right half of the Emax logic board including the EPROM. > My testbed for the SCSI kits does this as it gets flexed from many IC removal / replacement and so the seating of IC's isn't great. > > Once I reseat everything I will get my display back and floppy whirring away- IT's ALIVE, ALIVE!!!! > BWAHAHAHA!!! > > Just a thought. > The other option is to send it to jammie or me (depend on where you live). I doubt it is dead, you may just be looking at the wrong thing / area of the board. > > or Jammie has some boards... I do believe. > > Thx, > Ted > > > > > On Jun 10, 2012, at 2:12 AM, jammie wrote: > > check the digital to audio board cable have you got it reversed > ----- Original Message ----- > From: cheju_99 > To: emax@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2012 3:50 AM > Subject: [emax] black boxes No boot > > After spending many dollars buying the technical manual, and the 6500 scan processor from eprelectronics, definitely with no success triying to start an emax 1- Right now got the unit with the display showing black boxes, a floppy drive who doesn´t spin, and definitely no boot. Any idea from the people´s forum????......hurry the trash truck is coming. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >
2012-06-10 by jammie
broken floppy this can also make the lcd screen crash remove floppy drive idc cable and see if it comes up with the emu screen it could be a number of chips but i would check the floppy disk controller if your brother is a digital electronics technician then he can check the pulses with a logic anilyser and cross reference with the pdf for the pulse signals to see if he is getting correct signals also have you got the cable the corect way on the floppy is it an original or a replacement as if its a replacement the floppy cable goes the oposit to the original version as you have to do that on all models due to the manufactureres setting the to pc standard and pin 1 is the oposit side
----- Original Message -----
From: cheju_99
To: emax@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2012 6:58 PM
Subject: [emax] Re: black boxes No boot
Yes i already check the cables pin 1 is ok. My brother (digital electronics technician) insist that is a power issue, 'cos no spin on the floopy but we checked completely the psu and q2 on the board but the volts are ok, i am seriously thinkig my pal chips are dead, what do you think???
--- In emax@yahoogroups.com, Ted Summers <djtbs1@...> wrote:
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> You may also wish to reseat the IC's on the right half of the Emax logic board including the EPROM.
> My testbed for the SCSI kits does this as it gets flexed from many IC removal / replacement and so the seating of IC's isn't great.
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> Once I reseat everything I will get my display back and floppy whirring away- IT's ALIVE, ALIVE!!!!
> BWAHAHAHA!!!
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> Just a thought.
> The other option is to send it to jammie or me (depend on where you live). I doubt it is dead, you may just be looking at the wrong thing / area of the board.
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> or Jammie has some boards... I do believe.
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> Thx,
> Ted
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> On Jun 10, 2012, at 2:12 AM, jammie wrote:
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> check the digital to audio board cable have you got it reversed
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: cheju_99
> To: emax@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2012 3:50 AM
> Subject: [emax] black boxes No boot
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> After spending many dollars buying the technical manual, and the 6500 scan processor from eprelectronics, definitely with no success triying to start an emax 1- Right now got the unit with the display showing black boxes, a floppy drive who doesn´t spin, and definitely no boot. Any idea from the people´s forum????......hurry the trash truck is coming.
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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]2012-06-10 by cheju_99
Ok i already did that yesterday, disconect the floppy, power and data cable , still the same situation, unfortunately my brother is not in my area. --- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "jammie" <jammie.emma@...> wrote:
> > broken floppy > > this can also make the lcd screen crash > > remove floppy drive idc cable and see if it comes up with the emu screen > > it could be a number of chips but i would check the floppy disk controller > > if your brother is a digital electronics technician then he can check the pulses with a logic anilyser and cross reference with the pdf for the pulse signals to see if he is getting correct signals > > also have you got the cable the corect way on the floppy is it an original or a replacement as if its a replacement the floppy cable goes the oposit to the original version > > as you have to do that on all models due to the manufactureres setting the to pc standard and pin 1 is the oposit side > ----- Original Message ----- > From: cheju_99 > To: emax@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2012 6:58 PM > Subject: [emax] Re: black boxes No boot > > > > Yes i already check the cables pin 1 is ok. My brother (digital electronics technician) insist that is a power issue, 'cos no spin on the floopy but we checked completely the psu and q2 on the board but the volts are ok, i am seriously thinkig my pal chips are dead, what do you think??? > > --- In emax@yahoogroups.com, Ted Summers <djtbs1@> wrote: > > > > You may also wish to reseat the IC's on the right half of the Emax logic board including the EPROM. > > My testbed for the SCSI kits does this as it gets flexed from many IC removal / replacement and so the seating of IC's isn't great. > > > > Once I reseat everything I will get my display back and floppy whirring away- IT's ALIVE, ALIVE!!!! > > BWAHAHAHA!!! > > > > Just a thought. > > The other option is to send it to jammie or me (depend on where you live). I doubt it is dead, you may just be looking at the wrong thing / area of the board. > > > > or Jammie has some boards... I do believe. > > > > Thx, > > Ted > > > > > > > > > > On Jun 10, 2012, at 2:12 AM, jammie wrote: > > > > check the digital to audio board cable have you got it reversed > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: cheju_99 > > To: emax@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2012 3:50 AM > > Subject: [emax] black boxes No boot > > > > After spending many dollars buying the technical manual, and the 6500 scan processor from eprelectronics, definitely with no success triying to start an emax 1- Right now got the unit with the display showing black boxes, a floppy drive who doesn´t spin, and definitely no boot. Any idea from the people´s forum????......hurry the trash truck is coming. > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >
2012-06-10 by cheju_99
I am thinking this must be related to a failure in the front panel panel, what do you think? --- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "jammie" <jammie.emma@...> wrote:
> > broken floppy > > this can also make the lcd screen crash > > remove floppy drive idc cable and see if it comes up with the emu screen > > it could be a number of chips but i would check the floppy disk controller > > if your brother is a digital electronics technician then he can check the pulses with a logic anilyser and cross reference with the pdf for the pulse signals to see if he is getting correct signals > > also have you got the cable the corect way on the floppy is it an original or a replacement as if its a replacement the floppy cable goes the oposit to the original version > > as you have to do that on all models due to the manufactureres setting the to pc standard and pin 1 is the oposit side > ----- Original Message ----- > From: cheju_99 > To: emax@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2012 6:58 PM > Subject: [emax] Re: black boxes No boot > > > > Yes i already check the cables pin 1 is ok. My brother (digital electronics technician) insist that is a power issue, 'cos no spin on the floopy but we checked completely the psu and q2 on the board but the volts are ok, i am seriously thinkig my pal chips are dead, what do you think??? > > --- In emax@yahoogroups.com, Ted Summers <djtbs1@> wrote: > > > > You may also wish to reseat the IC's on the right half of the Emax logic board including the EPROM. > > My testbed for the SCSI kits does this as it gets flexed from many IC removal / replacement and so the seating of IC's isn't great. > > > > Once I reseat everything I will get my display back and floppy whirring away- IT's ALIVE, ALIVE!!!! > > BWAHAHAHA!!! > > > > Just a thought. > > The other option is to send it to jammie or me (depend on where you live). I doubt it is dead, you may just be looking at the wrong thing / area of the board. > > > > or Jammie has some boards... I do believe. > > > > Thx, > > Ted > > > > > > > > > > On Jun 10, 2012, at 2:12 AM, jammie wrote: > > > > check the digital to audio board cable have you got it reversed > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: cheju_99 > > To: emax@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2012 3:50 AM > > Subject: [emax] black boxes No boot > > > > After spending many dollars buying the technical manual, and the 6500 scan processor from eprelectronics, definitely with no success triying to start an emax 1- Right now got the unit with the display showing black boxes, a floppy drive who doesn´t spin, and definitely no boot. Any idea from the people´s forum????......hurry the trash truck is coming. > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >
2012-06-10 by jammie
no the lcd control is seperste from the scanner cpu the scanner cpu deals with the keyboard matrix of notes and velocity and also scans the front control buttons when a momentary pulse from a button it goes to the correct software access and lights a led if there is a led function for it via some logic switches the scanner interfaces with the main cpu giving it all the control information cpu with other logic chips deals with the lcd but gets the control information from the scanner cpu and duart what board do you have rack or keyboard
----- Original Message -----
From: cheju_99
To: emax@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2012 8:44 PM
Subject: [emax] Re: black boxes No boot
I am thinking this must be related to a failure in the front panel panel, what do you think?
--- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "jammie" <jammie.emma@...> wrote:
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> broken floppy
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> this can also make the lcd screen crash
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> remove floppy drive idc cable and see if it comes up with the emu screen
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> it could be a number of chips but i would check the floppy disk controller
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> if your brother is a digital electronics technician then he can check the pulses with a logic anilyser and cross reference with the pdf for the pulse signals to see if he is getting correct signals
>
> also have you got the cable the corect way on the floppy is it an original or a replacement as if its a replacement the floppy cable goes the oposit to the original version
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> as you have to do that on all models due to the manufactureres setting the to pc standard and pin 1 is the oposit side
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: cheju_99
> To: emax@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2012 6:58 PM
> Subject: [emax] Re: black boxes No boot
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> Yes i already check the cables pin 1 is ok. My brother (digital electronics technician) insist that is a power issue, 'cos no spin on the floopy but we checked completely the psu and q2 on the board but the volts are ok, i am seriously thinkig my pal chips are dead, what do you think???
>
> --- In emax@yahoogroups.com, Ted Summers <djtbs1@> wrote:
> >
> > You may also wish to reseat the IC's on the right half of the Emax logic board including the EPROM.
> > My testbed for the SCSI kits does this as it gets flexed from many IC removal / replacement and so the seating of IC's isn't great.
> >
> > Once I reseat everything I will get my display back and floppy whirring away- IT's ALIVE, ALIVE!!!!
> > BWAHAHAHA!!!
> >
> > Just a thought.
> > The other option is to send it to jammie or me (depend on where you live). I doubt it is dead, you may just be looking at the wrong thing / area of the board.
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> > or Jammie has some boards... I do believe.
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> > Thx,
> > Ted
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> > On Jun 10, 2012, at 2:12 AM, jammie wrote:
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> > check the digital to audio board cable have you got it reversed
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: cheju_99
> > To: emax@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2012 3:50 AM
> > Subject: [emax] black boxes No boot
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> > After spending many dollars buying the technical manual, and the 6500 scan processor from eprelectronics, definitely with no success triying to start an emax 1- Right now got the unit with the display showing black boxes, a floppy drive who doesn´t spin, and definitely no boot. Any idea from the people´s forum????......hurry the trash truck is coming.
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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]2012-06-10 by cheju_99
Its a keyboard i upload some photos to the forum --- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "jammie" <jammie.emma@...> wrote:
> > no the lcd control is seperste from the scanner cpu > > the scanner cpu deals with the keyboard matrix of notes and velocity > > and also scans the front control buttons when a momentary pulse from a button it goes to the correct software access and lights a led if there is a led function for it via some logic switches > > the scanner interfaces with the main cpu giving it all the control information > > cpu with other logic chips deals with the lcd but gets the control information from the scanner cpu and duart > > what board do you have rack or keyboard > ----- Original Message ----- > From: cheju_99 > To: emax@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2012 8:44 PM > Subject: [emax] Re: black boxes No boot > > > > I am thinking this must be related to a failure in the front panel panel, what do you think? > > --- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "jammie" <jammie.emma@> wrote: > > > > broken floppy > > > > this can also make the lcd screen crash > > > > remove floppy drive idc cable and see if it comes up with the emu screen > > > > it could be a number of chips but i would check the floppy disk controller > > > > if your brother is a digital electronics technician then he can check the pulses with a logic anilyser and cross reference with the pdf for the pulse signals to see if he is getting correct signals > > > > also have you got the cable the corect way on the floppy is it an original or a replacement as if its a replacement the floppy cable goes the oposit to the original version > > > > as you have to do that on all models due to the manufactureres setting the to pc standard and pin 1 is the oposit side > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: cheju_99 > > To: emax@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2012 6:58 PM > > Subject: [emax] Re: black boxes No boot > > > > > > > > Yes i already check the cables pin 1 is ok. My brother (digital electronics technician) insist that is a power issue, 'cos no spin on the floopy but we checked completely the psu and q2 on the board but the volts are ok, i am seriously thinkig my pal chips are dead, what do you think??? > > > > --- In emax@yahoogroups.com, Ted Summers <djtbs1@> wrote: > > > > > > You may also wish to reseat the IC's on the right half of the Emax logic board including the EPROM. > > > My testbed for the SCSI kits does this as it gets flexed from many IC removal / replacement and so the seating of IC's isn't great. > > > > > > Once I reseat everything I will get my display back and floppy whirring away- IT's ALIVE, ALIVE!!!! > > > BWAHAHAHA!!! > > > > > > Just a thought. > > > The other option is to send it to jammie or me (depend on where you live). I doubt it is dead, you may just be looking at the wrong thing / area of the board. > > > > > > or Jammie has some boards... I do believe. > > > > > > Thx, > > > Ted > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Jun 10, 2012, at 2:12 AM, jammie wrote: > > > > > > check the digital to audio board cable have you got it reversed > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: cheju_99 > > > To: emax@yahoogroups.com > > > Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2012 3:50 AM > > > Subject: [emax] black boxes No boot > > > > > > After spending many dollars buying the technical manual, and the 6500 scan processor from eprelectronics, definitely with no success triying to start an emax 1- Right now got the unit with the display showing black boxes, a floppy drive who doesn´t spin, and definitely no boot. Any idea from the people´s forum????......hurry the trash truck is coming. > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >
2012-06-10 by jammie
basically send it to ted who can test against another mainboard to see where the problem is as you could be nocking your head against the wall not know what is actually wrong you could be changing chips that dont need changing as it could be a cap thats gone down to earth and dropping a signal to zero volts with out a scope or a anilyser you cant tell as ted can test a good working machine and compare the functions from the none working machine to see if the signals are correct
----- Original Message -----
From: cheju_99
To: emax@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2012 10:05 PM
Subject: [emax] Re: black boxes No boot
Its a keyboard i upload some photos to the forum
--- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "jammie" <jammie.emma@...> wrote:
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> no the lcd control is seperste from the scanner cpu
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> the scanner cpu deals with the keyboard matrix of notes and velocity
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> and also scans the front control buttons when a momentary pulse from a button it goes to the correct software access and lights a led if there is a led function for it via some logic switches
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> the scanner interfaces with the main cpu giving it all the control information
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> cpu with other logic chips deals with the lcd but gets the control information from the scanner cpu and duart
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> what board do you have rack or keyboard
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: cheju_99
> To: emax@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2012 8:44 PM
> Subject: [emax] Re: black boxes No boot
>
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> I am thinking this must be related to a failure in the front panel panel, what do you think?
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> --- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "jammie" <jammie.emma@> wrote:
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> > broken floppy
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> > this can also make the lcd screen crash
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> > remove floppy drive idc cable and see if it comes up with the emu screen
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> > it could be a number of chips but i would check the floppy disk controller
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> > if your brother is a digital electronics technician then he can check the pulses with a logic anilyser and cross reference with the pdf for the pulse signals to see if he is getting correct signals
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> > also have you got the cable the corect way on the floppy is it an original or a replacement as if its a replacement the floppy cable goes the oposit to the original version
> >
> > as you have to do that on all models due to the manufactureres setting the to pc standard and pin 1 is the oposit side
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: cheju_99
> > To: emax@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2012 6:58 PM
> > Subject: [emax] Re: black boxes No boot
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> > Yes i already check the cables pin 1 is ok. My brother (digital electronics technician) insist that is a power issue, 'cos no spin on the floopy but we checked completely the psu and q2 on the board but the volts are ok, i am seriously thinkig my pal chips are dead, what do you think???
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> > --- In emax@yahoogroups.com, Ted Summers <djtbs1@> wrote:
> > >
> > > You may also wish to reseat the IC's on the right half of the Emax logic board including the EPROM.
> > > My testbed for the SCSI kits does this as it gets flexed from many IC removal / replacement and so the seating of IC's isn't great.
> > >
> > > Once I reseat everything I will get my display back and floppy whirring away- IT's ALIVE, ALIVE!!!!
> > > BWAHAHAHA!!!
> > >
> > > Just a thought.
> > > The other option is to send it to jammie or me (depend on where you live). I doubt it is dead, you may just be looking at the wrong thing / area of the board.
> > >
> > > or Jammie has some boards... I do believe.
> > >
> > > Thx,
> > > Ted
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> > > On Jun 10, 2012, at 2:12 AM, jammie wrote:
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> > > check the digital to audio board cable have you got it reversed
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: cheju_99
> > > To: emax@yahoogroups.com
> > > Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2012 3:50 AM
> > > Subject: [emax] black boxes No boot
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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]2012-06-10 by cheju_99
Ok great advice i'll ask Ted Thanks for your time --- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "jammie" <jammie.emma@...> wrote:
> > basically send it to ted who can test against another mainboard to see where the problem is > > as you could be nocking your head against the wall not know what is actually wrong > > you could be changing chips that dont need changing > > as it could be a cap thats gone down to earth and dropping a signal to zero volts > > with out a scope or a anilyser you cant tell > > as ted can test a good working machine and compare the functions from the none working machine to see if the signals are correct > ----- Original Message ----- > From: cheju_99 > To: emax@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2012 10:05 PM > Subject: [emax] Re: black boxes No boot > > > > Its a keyboard i upload some photos to the forum > > --- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "jammie" <jammie.emma@> wrote: > > > > no the lcd control is seperste from the scanner cpu > > > > the scanner cpu deals with the keyboard matrix of notes and velocity > > > > and also scans the front control buttons when a momentary pulse from a button it goes to the correct software access and lights a led if there is a led function for it via some logic switches > > > > the scanner interfaces with the main cpu giving it all the control information > > > > cpu with other logic chips deals with the lcd but gets the control information from the scanner cpu and duart > > > > what board do you have rack or keyboard > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: cheju_99 > > To: emax@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2012 8:44 PM > > Subject: [emax] Re: black boxes No boot > > > > > > > > I am thinking this must be related to a failure in the front panel panel, what do you think? > > > > --- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "jammie" <jammie.emma@> wrote: > > > > > > broken floppy > > > > > > this can also make the lcd screen crash > > > > > > remove floppy drive idc cable and see if it comes up with the emu screen > > > > > > it could be a number of chips but i would check the floppy disk controller > > > > > > if your brother is a digital electronics technician then he can check the pulses with a logic anilyser and cross reference with the pdf for the pulse signals to see if he is getting correct signals > > > > > > also have you got the cable the corect way on the floppy is it an original or a replacement as if its a replacement the floppy cable goes the oposit to the original version > > > > > > as you have to do that on all models due to the manufactureres setting the to pc standard and pin 1 is the oposit side > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: cheju_99 > > > To: emax@yahoogroups.com > > > Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2012 6:58 PM > > > Subject: [emax] Re: black boxes No boot > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes i already check the cables pin 1 is ok. My brother (digital electronics technician) insist that is a power issue, 'cos no spin on the floopy but we checked completely the psu and q2 on the board but the volts are ok, i am seriously thinkig my pal chips are dead, what do you think??? > > > > > > --- In emax@yahoogroups.com, Ted Summers <djtbs1@> wrote: > > > > > > > > You may also wish to reseat the IC's on the right half of the Emax logic board including the EPROM. > > > > My testbed for the SCSI kits does this as it gets flexed from many IC removal / replacement and so the seating of IC's isn't great. > > > > > > > > Once I reseat everything I will get my display back and floppy whirring away- IT's ALIVE, ALIVE!!!! > > > > BWAHAHAHA!!! > > > > > > > > Just a thought. > > > > The other option is to send it to jammie or me (depend on where you live). I doubt it is dead, you may just be looking at the wrong thing / area of the board. > > > > > > > > or Jammie has some boards... I do believe. > > > > > > > > Thx, > > > > Ted > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Jun 10, 2012, at 2:12 AM, jammie wrote: > > > > > > > > check the digital to audio board cable have you got it reversed > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: cheju_99 > > > > To: emax@yahoogroups.com > > > > Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2012 3:50 AM > > > > Subject: [emax] black boxes No boot > > > > > > > > After spending many dollars buying the technical manual, and the 6500 scan processor from eprelectronics, definitely with no success triying to start an emax 1- Right now got the unit with the display showing black boxes, a floppy drive who doesn´t spin, and definitely no boot. Any idea from the people´s forum????......hurry the trash truck is coming. > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >
2012-06-13 by drsyncenstein
My emax does the same thing from time to time, mostly after it's been moved. In my case the cable from the psu to the mainboard (close to the custom chip) is not properly connected. The emax then gets power on, but will not boot. It hangs with black rectangles in the display. If you look at this connector it seems like everything is fine. I would try to push down the individual pins of this connector with something like a smal screwdriver and then power it on. If it boots you should replace the connector. --- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "cheju_99" <cheju_99@...> wrote:
> > Ok great advice i'll ask Ted > Thanks for your time > > --- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "jammie" <jammie.emma@> wrote: > > > > basically send it to ted who can test against another mainboard to see where the problem is > > > > as you could be nocking your head against the wall not know what is actually wrong > > > > you could be changing chips that dont need changing > > > > as it could be a cap thats gone down to earth and dropping a signal to zero volts > > > > with out a scope or a anilyser you cant tell > > > > as ted can test a good working machine and compare the functions from the none working machine to see if the signals are correct > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: cheju_99 > > To: emax@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2012 10:05 PM > > Subject: [emax] Re: black boxes No boot > > > > > > > > Its a keyboard i upload some photos to the forum > > > > --- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "jammie" <jammie.emma@> wrote: > > > > > > no the lcd control is seperste from the scanner cpu > > > > > > the scanner cpu deals with the keyboard matrix of notes and velocity > > > > > > and also scans the front control buttons when a momentary pulse from a button it goes to the correct software access and lights a led if there is a led function for it via some logic switches > > > > > > the scanner interfaces with the main cpu giving it all the control information > > > > > > cpu with other logic chips deals with the lcd but gets the control information from the scanner cpu and duart > > > > > > what board do you have rack or keyboard > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: cheju_99 > > > To: emax@yahoogroups.com > > > Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2012 8:44 PM > > > Subject: [emax] Re: black boxes No boot > > > > > > > > > > > > I am thinking this must be related to a failure in the front panel panel, what do you think? > > > > > > --- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "jammie" <jammie.emma@> wrote: > > > > > > > > broken floppy > > > > > > > > this can also make the lcd screen crash > > > > > > > > remove floppy drive idc cable and see if it comes up with the emu screen > > > > > > > > it could be a number of chips but i would check the floppy disk controller > > > > > > > > if your brother is a digital electronics technician then he can check the pulses with a logic anilyser and cross reference with the pdf for the pulse signals to see if he is getting correct signals > > > > > > > > also have you got the cable the corect way on the floppy is it an original or a replacement as if its a replacement the floppy cable goes the oposit to the original version > > > > > > > > as you have to do that on all models due to the manufactureres setting the to pc standard and pin 1 is the oposit side > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: cheju_99 > > > > To: emax@yahoogroups.com > > > > Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2012 6:58 PM > > > > Subject: [emax] Re: black boxes No boot > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes i already check the cables pin 1 is ok. My brother (digital electronics technician) insist that is a power issue, 'cos no spin on the floopy but we checked completely the psu and q2 on the board but the volts are ok, i am seriously thinkig my pal chips are dead, what do you think??? > > > > > > > > --- In emax@yahoogroups.com, Ted Summers <djtbs1@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > You may also wish to reseat the IC's on the right half of the Emax logic board including the EPROM. > > > > > My testbed for the SCSI kits does this as it gets flexed from many IC removal / replacement and so the seating of IC's isn't great. > > > > > > > > > > Once I reseat everything I will get my display back and floppy whirring away- IT's ALIVE, ALIVE!!!! > > > > > BWAHAHAHA!!! > > > > > > > > > > Just a thought. > > > > > The other option is to send it to jammie or me (depend on where you live). I doubt it is dead, you may just be looking at the wrong thing / area of the board. > > > > > > > > > > or Jammie has some boards... I do believe. > > > > > > > > > > Thx, > > > > > Ted > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Jun 10, 2012, at 2:12 AM, jammie wrote: > > > > > > > > > > check the digital to audio board cable have you got it reversed > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: cheju_99 > > > > > To: emax@yahoogroups.com > > > > > Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2012 3:50 AM > > > > > Subject: [emax] black boxes No boot > > > > > > > > > > After spending many dollars buying the technical manual, and the 6500 scan processor from eprelectronics, definitely with no success triying to start an emax 1- Right now got the unit with the display showing black boxes, a floppy drive who doesn´t spin, and definitely no boot. Any idea from the people´s forum????......hurry the trash truck is coming. > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > >
2012-06-13 by cheju_99
Ok, great advice I appreciate! i´ll do it. --- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "drsyncenstein" <drsyncenstein@...> wrote:
> > My emax does the same thing from time to time, mostly after it's been moved. > In my case the cable from the psu to the mainboard (close to the custom chip) is not properly connected. > The emax then gets power on, but will not boot. > It hangs with black rectangles in the display. > If you look at this connector it seems like everything is fine. > I would try to push down the individual pins of this connector with something like a smal screwdriver and then power it on. > If it boots you should replace the connector. > > --- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "cheju_99" <cheju_99@> wrote: > > > > Ok great advice i'll ask Ted > > Thanks for your time > > > > --- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "jammie" <jammie.emma@> wrote: > > > > > > basically send it to ted who can test against another mainboard to see where the problem is > > > > > > as you could be nocking your head against the wall not know what is actually wrong > > > > > > you could be changing chips that dont need changing > > > > > > as it could be a cap thats gone down to earth and dropping a signal to zero volts > > > > > > with out a scope or a anilyser you cant tell > > > > > > as ted can test a good working machine and compare the functions from the none working machine to see if the signals are correct > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: cheju_99 > > > To: emax@yahoogroups.com > > > Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2012 10:05 PM > > > Subject: [emax] Re: black boxes No boot > > > > > > > > > > > > Its a keyboard i upload some photos to the forum > > > > > > --- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "jammie" <jammie.emma@> wrote: > > > > > > > > no the lcd control is seperste from the scanner cpu > > > > > > > > the scanner cpu deals with the keyboard matrix of notes and velocity > > > > > > > > and also scans the front control buttons when a momentary pulse from a button it goes to the correct software access and lights a led if there is a led function for it via some logic switches > > > > > > > > the scanner interfaces with the main cpu giving it all the control information > > > > > > > > cpu with other logic chips deals with the lcd but gets the control information from the scanner cpu and duart > > > > > > > > what board do you have rack or keyboard > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: cheju_99 > > > > To: emax@yahoogroups.com > > > > Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2012 8:44 PM > > > > Subject: [emax] Re: black boxes No boot > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am thinking this must be related to a failure in the front panel panel, what do you think? > > > > > > > > --- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "jammie" <jammie.emma@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > broken floppy > > > > > > > > > > this can also make the lcd screen crash > > > > > > > > > > remove floppy drive idc cable and see if it comes up with the emu screen > > > > > > > > > > it could be a number of chips but i would check the floppy disk controller > > > > > > > > > > if your brother is a digital electronics technician then he can check the pulses with a logic anilyser and cross reference with the pdf for the pulse signals to see if he is getting correct signals > > > > > > > > > > also have you got the cable the corect way on the floppy is it an original or a replacement as if its a replacement the floppy cable goes the oposit to the original version > > > > > > > > > > as you have to do that on all models due to the manufactureres setting the to pc standard and pin 1 is the oposit side > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: cheju_99 > > > > > To: emax@yahoogroups.com > > > > > Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2012 6:58 PM > > > > > Subject: [emax] Re: black boxes No boot > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes i already check the cables pin 1 is ok. My brother (digital electronics technician) insist that is a power issue, 'cos no spin on the floopy but we checked completely the psu and q2 on the board but the volts are ok, i am seriously thinkig my pal chips are dead, what do you think??? > > > > > > > > > > --- In emax@yahoogroups.com, Ted Summers <djtbs1@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > You may also wish to reseat the IC's on the right half of the Emax logic board including the EPROM. > > > > > > My testbed for the SCSI kits does this as it gets flexed from many IC removal / replacement and so the seating of IC's isn't great. > > > > > > > > > > > > Once I reseat everything I will get my display back and floppy whirring away- IT's ALIVE, ALIVE!!!! > > > > > > BWAHAHAHA!!! > > > > > > > > > > > > Just a thought. > > > > > > The other option is to send it to jammie or me (depend on where you live). I doubt it is dead, you may just be looking at the wrong thing / area of the board. > > > > > > > > > > > > or Jammie has some boards... I do believe. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thx, > > > > > > Ted > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Jun 10, 2012, at 2:12 AM, jammie wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > check the digital to audio board cable have you got it reversed > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > From: cheju_99 > > > > > > To: emax@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2012 3:50 AM > > > > > > Subject: [emax] black boxes No boot > > > > > > > > > > > > After spending many dollars buying the technical manual, and the 6500 scan processor from eprelectronics, definitely with no success triying to start an emax 1- Right now got the unit with the display showing black boxes, a floppy drive who doesn´t spin, and definitely no boot. Any idea from the people´s forum????......hurry the trash truck is coming. > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > >
2012-07-22 by cheju_99
Finally after reseating some ic´s the unit began to boot from the diskette, now the problem is : it load the preset tone but i have no access to the front panel buttons, even no lights form the form panel leds, and also when i press the music keyboard it becomes a totally mess, with tones in chaos no scale, sustain for ever......recently i changed the scanner chip with a nes one form eprelectronics but nothing happens.... any idea? --- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "cheju_99" <cheju_99@...> wrote:
> > Ok great advice i'll ask Ted > Thanks for your time > > --- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "jammie" <jammie.emma@> wrote: > > > > basically send it to ted who can test against another mainboard to see where the problem is > > > > as you could be nocking your head against the wall not know what is actually wrong > > > > you could be changing chips that dont need changing > > > > as it could be a cap thats gone down to earth and dropping a signal to zero volts > > > > with out a scope or a anilyser you cant tell > > > > as ted can test a good working machine and compare the functions from the none working machine to see if the signals are correct > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: cheju_99 > > To: emax@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2012 10:05 PM > > Subject: [emax] Re: black boxes No boot > > > > > > > > Its a keyboard i upload some photos to the forum > > > > --- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "jammie" <jammie.emma@> wrote: > > > > > > no the lcd control is seperste from the scanner cpu > > > > > > the scanner cpu deals with the keyboard matrix of notes and velocity > > > > > > and also scans the front control buttons when a momentary pulse from a button it goes to the correct software access and lights a led if there is a led function for it via some logic switches > > > > > > the scanner interfaces with the main cpu giving it all the control information > > > > > > cpu with other logic chips deals with the lcd but gets the control information from the scanner cpu and duart > > > > > > what board do you have rack or keyboard > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: cheju_99 > > > To: emax@yahoogroups.com > > > Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2012 8:44 PM > > > Subject: [emax] Re: black boxes No boot > > > > > > > > > > > > I am thinking this must be related to a failure in the front panel panel, what do you think? > > > > > > --- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "jammie" <jammie.emma@> wrote: > > > > > > > > broken floppy > > > > > > > > this can also make the lcd screen crash > > > > > > > > remove floppy drive idc cable and see if it comes up with the emu screen > > > > > > > > it could be a number of chips but i would check the floppy disk controller > > > > > > > > if your brother is a digital electronics technician then he can check the pulses with a logic anilyser and cross reference with the pdf for the pulse signals to see if he is getting correct signals > > > > > > > > also have you got the cable the corect way on the floppy is it an original or a replacement as if its a replacement the floppy cable goes the oposit to the original version > > > > > > > > as you have to do that on all models due to the manufactureres setting the to pc standard and pin 1 is the oposit side > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: cheju_99 > > > > To: emax@yahoogroups.com > > > > Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2012 6:58 PM > > > > Subject: [emax] Re: black boxes No boot > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes i already check the cables pin 1 is ok. My brother (digital electronics technician) insist that is a power issue, 'cos no spin on the floopy but we checked completely the psu and q2 on the board but the volts are ok, i am seriously thinkig my pal chips are dead, what do you think??? > > > > > > > > --- In emax@yahoogroups.com, Ted Summers <djtbs1@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > You may also wish to reseat the IC's on the right half of the Emax logic board including the EPROM. > > > > > My testbed for the SCSI kits does this as it gets flexed from many IC removal / replacement and so the seating of IC's isn't great. > > > > > > > > > > Once I reseat everything I will get my display back and floppy whirring away- IT's ALIVE, ALIVE!!!! > > > > > BWAHAHAHA!!! > > > > > > > > > > Just a thought. > > > > > The other option is to send it to jammie or me (depend on where you live). I doubt it is dead, you may just be looking at the wrong thing / area of the board. > > > > > > > > > > or Jammie has some boards... I do believe. > > > > > > > > > > Thx, > > > > > Ted > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Jun 10, 2012, at 2:12 AM, jammie wrote: > > > > > > > > > > check the digital to audio board cable have you got it reversed > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: cheju_99 > > > > > To: emax@yahoogroups.com > > > > > Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2012 3:50 AM > > > > > Subject: [emax] black boxes No boot > > > > > > > > > > After spending many dollars buying the technical manual, and the 6500 scan processor from eprelectronics, definitely with no success triying to start an emax 1- Right now got the unit with the display showing black boxes, a floppy drive who doesn´t spin, and definitely no boot. Any idea from the people´s forum????......hurry the trash truck is coming. > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > >
2012-07-22 by jammie
front panel is done by the scanner chip and cpu so are the keys sustaning notes is usually a bad diode on the keyboard some where
----- Original Message -----
From: cheju_99
To: emax@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2012 11:42 PM
Subject: [emax] Re: No black boxes boot
Finally after reseating some ic´s the unit began to boot from the diskette, now the problem is : it load the preset tone but i have no access to the front panel buttons, even no lights form the form panel leds, and also when i press the music keyboard it becomes a totally mess, with tones in chaos no scale, sustain for ever......recently i changed the scanner chip with a nes one form eprelectronics but nothing happens.... any idea?
--- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "cheju_99" <cheju_99@...> wrote:
>
> Ok great advice i'll ask Ted
> Thanks for your time
>
> --- In emax@...m, "jammie" <jammie.emma@> wrote:
> >
> > basically send it to ted who can test against another mainboard to see where the problem is
> >
> > as you could be nocking your head against the wall not know what is actually wrong
> >
> > you could be changing chips that dont need changing
> >
> > as it could be a cap thats gone down to earth and dropping a signal to zero volts
> >
> > with out a scope or a anilyser you cant tell
> >
> > as ted can test a good working machine and compare the functions from the none working machine to see if the signals are correct
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: cheju_99
> > To: emax@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2012 10:05 PM
> > Subject: [emax] Re: black boxes No boot
> >
> >
> >
> > Its a keyboard i upload some photos to the forum
> >
> > --- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "jammie" <jammie.emma@> wrote:
> > >
> > > no the lcd control is seperste from the scanner cpu
> > >
> > > the scanner cpu deals with the keyboard matrix of notes and velocity
> > >
> > > and also scans the front control buttons when a momentary pulse from a button it goes to the correct software access and lights a led if there is a led function for it via some logic switches
> > >
> > > the scanner interfaces with the main cpu giving it all the control information
> > >
> > > cpu with other logic chips deals with the lcd but gets the control information from the scanner cpu and duart
> > >
> > > what board do you have rack or keyboard
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: cheju_99
> > > To: emax@yahoogroups.com
> > > Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2012 8:44 PM
> > > Subject: [emax] Re: black boxes No boot
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I am thinking this must be related to a failure in the front panel panel, what do you think?
> > >
> > > --- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "jammie" <jammie.emma@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > broken floppy
> > > >
> > > > this can also make the lcd screen crash
> > > >
> > > > remove floppy drive idc cable and see if it comes up with the emu screen
> > > >
> > > > it could be a number of chips but i would check the floppy disk controller
> > > >
> > > > if your brother is a digital electronics technician then he can check the pulses with a logic anilyser and cross reference with the pdf for the pulse signals to see if he is getting correct signals
> > > >
> > > > also have you got the cable the corect way on the floppy is it an original or a replacement as if its a replacement the floppy cable goes the oposit to the original version
> > > >
> > > > as you have to do that on all models due to the manufactureres setting the to pc standard and pin 1 is the oposit side
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: cheju_99
> > > > To: emax@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2012 6:58 PM
> > > > Subject: [emax] Re: black boxes No boot
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Yes i already check the cables pin 1 is ok. My brother (digital electronics technician) insist that is a power issue, 'cos no spin on the floopy but we checked completely the psu and q2 on the board but the volts are ok, i am seriously thinkig my pal chips are dead, what do you think???
> > > >
> > > > --- In emax@yahoogroups.com, Ted Summers <djtbs1@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > You may also wish to reseat the IC's on the right half of the Emax logic board including the EPROM.
> > > > > My testbed for the SCSI kits does this as it gets flexed from many IC removal / replacement and so the seating of IC's isn't great.
> > > > >
> > > > > Once I reseat everything I will get my display back and floppy whirring away- IT's ALIVE, ALIVE!!!!
> > > > > BWAHAHAHA!!!
> > > > >
> > > > > Just a thought.
> > > > > The other option is to send it to jammie or me (depend on where you live). I doubt it is dead, you may just be looking at the wrong thing / area of the board.
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> > > > > or Jammie has some boards... I do believe.
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> > > > > Thx,
> > > > > Ted
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> > > > >
> > > > > On Jun 10, 2012, at 2:12 AM, jammie wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > check the digital to audio board cable have you got it reversed
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: cheju_99
> > > > > To: emax@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2012 3:50 AM
> > > > > Subject: [emax] black boxes No boot
> > > > >
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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]2012-07-22 by Ted Summers
try you old scanner CPU maybe and see what happens? On Jul 22, 2012, at 3:42 PM, cheju_99 wrote: Finally after reseating some ic�s the unit began to boot from the diskette, now the problem is : it load the preset tone but i have no access to the front panel buttons, even no lights form the form panel leds, and also when i press the music keyboard it becomes a totally mess, with tones in chaos no scale, sustain for ever......recently i changed the scanner chip with a nes one form eprelectronics but nothing happens.... any idea? --- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "cheju_99" <cheju_99@...> wrote: > > Ok great advice i'll ask Ted > Thanks for your time > > --- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "jammie" <jammie.emma@> wrote: > > > > basically send it to ted who can test against another mainboard to see where the problem is > > > > as you could be nocking your head against the wall not know what is actually wrong > > > > you could be changing chips that dont need changing > > > > as it could be a cap thats gone down to earth and dropping a signal to zero volts > > > > with out a scope or a anilyser you cant tell > > > > as ted can test a good working machine and compare the functions from the none working machine to see if the signals are correct > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: cheju_99 > > To: emax@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2012 10:05 PM > > Subject: [emax] Re: black boxes No boot > > > > > > > > Its a keyboard i upload some photos to the forum > > > > --- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "jammie" <jammie.emma@> wrote: > > > > > > no the lcd control is seperste from the scanner cpu > > > > > > the scanner cpu deals with the keyboard matrix of notes and velocity > > > > > > and also scans the front control buttons when a momentary pulse from a button it goes to the correct software access and lights a led if there is a led function for it via some logic switches > > > > > > the scanner interfaces with the main cpu giving it all the control information > > > > > > cpu with other logic chips deals with the lcd but gets the control information from the scanner cpu and duart > > > > > > what board do you have rack or keyboard > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: cheju_99 > > > To: emax@yahoogroups.com > > > Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2012 8:44 PM > > > Subject: [emax] Re: black boxes No boot > > > > > > > > > > > > I am thinking this must be related to a failure in the front panel panel, what do you think? > > > > > > --- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "jammie" <jammie.emma@> wrote: > > > > > > > > broken floppy > > > > > > > > this can also make the lcd screen crash > > > > > > > > remove floppy drive idc cable and see if it comes up with the emu screen > > > > > > > > it could be a number of chips but i would check the floppy disk controller > > > > > > > > if your brother is a digital electronics technician then he can check the pulses with a logic anilyser and cross reference with the pdf for the pulse signals to see if he is getting correct signals > > > > > > > > also have you got the cable the corect way on the floppy is it an original or a replacement as if its a replacement the floppy cable goes the oposit to the original version > > > > > > > > as you have to do that on all models due to the manufactureres setting the to pc standard and pin 1 is the oposit side > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: cheju_99 > > > > To: emax@yahoogroups.com > > > > Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2012 6:58 PM > > > > Subject: [emax] Re: black boxes No boot > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes i already check the cables pin 1 is ok. My brother (digital electronics technician) insist that is a power issue, 'cos no spin on the floopy but we checked completely the psu and q2 on the board but the volts are ok, i am seriously thinkig my pal chips are dead, what do you think??? > > > > > > > > --- In emax@yahoogroups.com, Ted Summers <djtbs1@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > You may also wish to reseat the IC's on the right half of the Emax logic board including the EPROM. > > > > > My testbed for the SCSI kits does this as it gets flexed from many IC removal / replacement and so the seating of IC's isn't great. > > > > > > > > > > Once I reseat everything I will get my display back and floppy whirring away- IT's ALIVE, ALIVE!!!! > > > > > BWAHAHAHA!!! > > > > > > > > > > Just a thought. > > > > > The other option is to send it to jammie or me (depend on where you live). I doubt it is dead, you may just be looking at the wrong thing / area of the board. > > > > > > > > > > or Jammie has some boards... I do believe. > > > > > > > > > > Thx, > > > > > Ted > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Jun 10, 2012, at 2:12 AM, jammie wrote: > > > > > > > > > > check the digital to audio board cable have you got it reversed > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: cheju_99 > > > > > To: emax@yahoogroups.com > > > > > Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2012 3:50 AM > > > > > Subject: [emax] black boxes No boot > > > > > > > > > > After spending many dollars buying the technical manual, and the 6500 scan processor from eprelectronics, definitely with no success triying to start an emax 1- Right now got the unit with the display showing black boxes, a floppy drive who doesn�t spin, and definitely no boot. Any idea from the people�s forum????......hurry the trash truck is coming. > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2012-07-22 by cheju_99
i did..... it have the same symptoms..... --- In emax@yahoogroups.com, Ted Summers <djtbs1@...> wrote:
> > try you old scanner CPU maybe and see what happens? > > On Jul 22, 2012, at 3:42 PM, cheju_99 wrote: > > Finally after reseating some ic´s the unit began to boot from the diskette, now the problem is : it load the preset tone but i have no access to the front panel buttons, even no lights form the form panel leds, and also when i press the music keyboard it becomes a totally mess, with tones in chaos no scale, sustain for ever......recently i changed the scanner chip with a nes one form eprelectronics but nothing happens.... any idea? > > --- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "cheju_99" <cheju_99@> wrote: > > > > Ok great advice i'll ask Ted > > Thanks for your time > > > > --- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "jammie" <jammie.emma@> wrote: > > > > > > basically send it to ted who can test against another mainboard to see where the problem is > > > > > > as you could be nocking your head against the wall not know what is actually wrong > > > > > > you could be changing chips that dont need changing > > > > > > as it could be a cap thats gone down to earth and dropping a signal to zero volts > > > > > > with out a scope or a anilyser you cant tell > > > > > > as ted can test a good working machine and compare the functions from the none working machine to see if the signals are correct > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: cheju_99 > > > To: emax@yahoogroups.com > > > Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2012 10:05 PM > > > Subject: [emax] Re: black boxes No boot > > > > > > > > > > > > Its a keyboard i upload some photos to the forum > > > > > > --- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "jammie" <jammie.emma@> wrote: > > > > > > > > no the lcd control is seperste from the scanner cpu > > > > > > > > the scanner cpu deals with the keyboard matrix of notes and velocity > > > > > > > > and also scans the front control buttons when a momentary pulse from a button it goes to the correct software access and lights a led if there is a led function for it via some logic switches > > > > > > > > the scanner interfaces with the main cpu giving it all the control information > > > > > > > > cpu with other logic chips deals with the lcd but gets the control information from the scanner cpu and duart > > > > > > > > what board do you have rack or keyboard > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: cheju_99 > > > > To: emax@yahoogroups.com > > > > Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2012 8:44 PM > > > > Subject: [emax] Re: black boxes No boot > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am thinking this must be related to a failure in the front panel panel, what do you think? > > > > > > > > --- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "jammie" <jammie.emma@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > broken floppy > > > > > > > > > > this can also make the lcd screen crash > > > > > > > > > > remove floppy drive idc cable and see if it comes up with the emu screen > > > > > > > > > > it could be a number of chips but i would check the floppy disk controller > > > > > > > > > > if your brother is a digital electronics technician then he can check the pulses with a logic anilyser and cross reference with the pdf for the pulse signals to see if he is getting correct signals > > > > > > > > > > also have you got the cable the corect way on the floppy is it an original or a replacement as if its a replacement the floppy cable goes the oposit to the original version > > > > > > > > > > as you have to do that on all models due to the manufactureres setting the to pc standard and pin 1 is the oposit side > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: cheju_99 > > > > > To: emax@yahoogroups.com > > > > > Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2012 6:58 PM > > > > > Subject: [emax] Re: black boxes No boot > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes i already check the cables pin 1 is ok. My brother (digital electronics technician) insist that is a power issue, 'cos no spin on the floopy but we checked completely the psu and q2 on the board but the volts are ok, i am seriously thinkig my pal chips are dead, what do you think??? > > > > > > > > > > --- In emax@yahoogroups.com, Ted Summers <djtbs1@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > You may also wish to reseat the IC's on the right half of the Emax logic board including the EPROM. > > > > > > My testbed for the SCSI kits does this as it gets flexed from many IC removal / replacement and so the seating of IC's isn't great. > > > > > > > > > > > > Once I reseat everything I will get my display back and floppy whirring away- IT's ALIVE, ALIVE!!!! > > > > > > BWAHAHAHA!!! > > > > > > > > > > > > Just a thought. > > > > > > The other option is to send it to jammie or me (depend on where you live). I doubt it is dead, you may just be looking at the wrong thing / area of the board. > > > > > > > > > > > > or Jammie has some boards... I do believe. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thx, > > > > > > Ted > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Jun 10, 2012, at 2:12 AM, jammie wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > check the digital to audio board cable have you got it reversed > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > From: cheju_99 > > > > > > To: emax@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2012 3:50 AM > > > > > > Subject: [emax] black boxes No boot > > > > > > > > > > > > After spending many dollars buying the technical manual, and the 6500 scan processor from eprelectronics, definitely with no success triying to start an emax 1- Right now got the unit with the display showing black boxes, a floppy drive who doesn´t spin, and definitely no boot. Any idea from the people´s forum????......hurry the trash truck is coming. > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >
2012-07-23 by cheju_99
Yes but even i disconnect the keyboard conector and got the same. When i turn on the emax all the led turn on for a few miliseconds. --- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "jammie" <jammie.emma@...> wrote:
> > front panel is done by the scanner chip and cpu > > so are the keys > > sustaning notes is usually a bad diode on the keyboard some where > ----- Original Message ----- > From: cheju_99 > To: emax@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2012 11:42 PM > Subject: [emax] Re: No black boxes boot > > > > Finally after reseating some ic´s the unit began to boot from the diskette, now the problem is : it load the preset tone but i have no access to the front panel buttons, even no lights form the form panel leds, and also when i press the music keyboard it becomes a totally mess, with tones in chaos no scale, sustain for ever......recently i changed the scanner chip with a nes one form eprelectronics but nothing happens.... any idea? > > --- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "cheju_99" <cheju_99@> wrote: > > > > Ok great advice i'll ask Ted > > Thanks for your time > > > > --- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "jammie" <jammie.emma@> wrote: > > > > > > basically send it to ted who can test against another mainboard to see where the problem is > > > > > > as you could be nocking your head against the wall not know what is actually wrong > > > > > > you could be changing chips that dont need changing > > > > > > as it could be a cap thats gone down to earth and dropping a signal to zero volts > > > > > > with out a scope or a anilyser you cant tell > > > > > > as ted can test a good working machine and compare the functions from the none working machine to see if the signals are correct > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: cheju_99 > > > To: emax@yahoogroups.com > > > Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2012 10:05 PM > > > Subject: [emax] Re: black boxes No boot > > > > > > > > > > > > Its a keyboard i upload some photos to the forum > > > > > > --- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "jammie" <jammie.emma@> wrote: > > > > > > > > no the lcd control is seperste from the scanner cpu > > > > > > > > the scanner cpu deals with the keyboard matrix of notes and velocity > > > > > > > > and also scans the front control buttons when a momentary pulse from a button it goes to the correct software access and lights a led if there is a led function for it via some logic switches > > > > > > > > the scanner interfaces with the main cpu giving it all the control information > > > > > > > > cpu with other logic chips deals with the lcd but gets the control information from the scanner cpu and duart > > > > > > > > what board do you have rack or keyboard > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: cheju_99 > > > > To: emax@yahoogroups.com > > > > Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2012 8:44 PM > > > > Subject: [emax] Re: black boxes No boot > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am thinking this must be related to a failure in the front panel panel, what do you think? > > > > > > > > --- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "jammie" <jammie.emma@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > broken floppy > > > > > > > > > > this can also make the lcd screen crash > > > > > > > > > > remove floppy drive idc cable and see if it comes up with the emu screen > > > > > > > > > > it could be a number of chips but i would check the floppy disk controller > > > > > > > > > > if your brother is a digital electronics technician then he can check the pulses with a logic anilyser and cross reference with the pdf for the pulse signals to see if he is getting correct signals > > > > > > > > > > also have you got the cable the corect way on the floppy is it an original or a replacement as if its a replacement the floppy cable goes the oposit to the original version > > > > > > > > > > as you have to do that on all models due to the manufactureres setting the to pc standard and pin 1 is the oposit side > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: cheju_99 > > > > > To: emax@yahoogroups.com > > > > > Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2012 6:58 PM > > > > > Subject: [emax] Re: black boxes No boot > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes i already check the cables pin 1 is ok. My brother (digital electronics technician) insist that is a power issue, 'cos no spin on the floopy but we checked completely the psu and q2 on the board but the volts are ok, i am seriously thinkig my pal chips are dead, what do you think??? > > > > > > > > > > --- In emax@yahoogroups.com, Ted Summers <djtbs1@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > You may also wish to reseat the IC's on the right half of the Emax logic board including the EPROM. > > > > > > My testbed for the SCSI kits does this as it gets flexed from many IC removal / replacement and so the seating of IC's isn't great. > > > > > > > > > > > > Once I reseat everything I will get my display back and floppy whirring away- IT's ALIVE, ALIVE!!!! > > > > > > BWAHAHAHA!!! > > > > > > > > > > > > Just a thought. > > > > > > The other option is to send it to jammie or me (depend on where you live). I doubt it is dead, you may just be looking at the wrong thing / area of the board. > > > > > > > > > > > > or Jammie has some boards... I do believe. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thx, > > > > > > Ted > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Jun 10, 2012, at 2:12 AM, jammie wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > check the digital to audio board cable have you got it reversed > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > From: cheju_99 > > > > > > To: emax@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2012 3:50 AM > > > > > > Subject: [emax] black boxes No boot > > > > > > > > > > > > After spending many dollars buying the technical manual, and the 6500 scan processor from eprelectronics, definitely with no success triying to start an emax 1- Right now got the unit with the display showing black boxes, a floppy drive who doesn´t spin, and definitely no boot. Any idea from the people´s forum????......hurry the trash truck is coming. > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >
2012-07-23 by jammie
even if you remove keyboard its still connected via midi mode
----- Original Message -----
From: cheju_99
To: emax@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2012 2:32 AM
Subject: [emax] Re: No black boxes boot
Yes but even i disconnect the keyboard conector and got the same. When i turn on the emax all the led turn on for a few miliseconds.
--- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "jammie" <jammie.emma@...> wrote:
>
> front panel is done by the scanner chip and cpu
>
> so are the keys
>
> sustaning notes is usually a bad diode on the keyboard some where
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: cheju_99
> To: emax@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2012 11:42 PM
> Subject: [emax] Re: No black boxes boot
>
>
>
> Finally after reseating some ic´s the unit began to boot from the diskette, now the problem is : it load the preset tone but i have no access to the front panel buttons, even no lights form the form panel leds, and also when i press the music keyboard it becomes a totally mess, with tones in chaos no scale, sustain for ever......recently i changed the scanner chip with a nes one form eprelectronics but nothing happens.... any idea?
>
> --- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "cheju_99" <cheju_99@> wrote:
> >
> > Ok great advice i'll ask Ted
> > Thanks for your time
> >
> > --- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "jammie" <jammie.emma@> wrote:
> > >
> > > basically send it to ted who can test against another mainboard to see where the problem is
> > >
> > > as you could be nocking your head against the wall not know what is actually wrong
> > >
> > > you could be changing chips that dont need changing
> > >
> > > as it could be a cap thats gone down to earth and dropping a signal to zero volts
> > >
> > > with out a scope or a anilyser you cant tell
> > >
> > > as ted can test a good working machine and compare the functions from the none working machine to see if the signals are correct
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: cheju_99
> > > To: emax@yahoogroups.com
> > > Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2012 10:05 PM
> > > Subject: [emax] Re: black boxes No boot
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Its a keyboard i upload some photos to the forum
> > >
> > > --- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "jammie" <jammie.emma@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > no the lcd control is seperste from the scanner cpu
> > > >
> > > > the scanner cpu deals with the keyboard matrix of notes and velocity
> > > >
> > > > and also scans the front control buttons when a momentary pulse from a button it goes to the correct software access and lights a led if there is a led function for it via some logic switches
> > > >
> > > > the scanner interfaces with the main cpu giving it all the control information
> > > >
> > > > cpu with other logic chips deals with the lcd but gets the control information from the scanner cpu and duart
> > > >
> > > > what board do you have rack or keyboard
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: cheju_99
> > > > To: emax@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2012 8:44 PM
> > > > Subject: [emax] Re: black boxes No boot
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I am thinking this must be related to a failure in the front panel panel, what do you think?
> > > >
> > > > --- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "jammie" <jammie.emma@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > broken floppy
> > > > >
> > > > > this can also make the lcd screen crash
> > > > >
> > > > > remove floppy drive idc cable and see if it comes up with the emu screen
> > > > >
> > > > > it could be a number of chips but i would check the floppy disk controller
> > > > >
> > > > > if your brother is a digital electronics technician then he can check the pulses with a logic anilyser and cross reference with the pdf for the pulse signals to see if he is getting correct signals
> > > > >
> > > > > also have you got the cable the corect way on the floppy is it an original or a replacement as if its a replacement the floppy cable goes the oposit to the original version
> > > > >
> > > > > as you have to do that on all models due to the manufactureres setting the to pc standard and pin 1 is the oposit side
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: cheju_99
> > > > > To: emax@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2012 6:58 PM
> > > > > Subject: [emax] Re: black boxes No boot
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Yes i already check the cables pin 1 is ok. My brother (digital electronics technician) insist that is a power issue, 'cos no spin on the floopy but we checked completely the psu and q2 on the board but the volts are ok, i am seriously thinkig my pal chips are dead, what do you think???
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In emax@yahoogroups.com, Ted Summers <djtbs1@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > You may also wish to reseat the IC's on the right half of the Emax logic board including the EPROM.
> > > > > > My testbed for the SCSI kits does this as it gets flexed from many IC removal / replacement and so the seating of IC's isn't great.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Once I reseat everything I will get my display back and floppy whirring away- IT's ALIVE, ALIVE!!!!
> > > > > > BWAHAHAHA!!!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Just a thought.
> > > > > > The other option is to send it to jammie or me (depend on where you live). I doubt it is dead, you may just be looking at the wrong thing / area of the board.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > or Jammie has some boards... I do believe.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thx,
> > > > > > Ted
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Jun 10, 2012, at 2:12 AM, jammie wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > check the digital to audio board cable have you got it reversed
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> > > > > > From: cheju_99
> > > > > > To: emax@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > > Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2012 3:50 AM
> > > > > > Subject: [emax] black boxes No boot
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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]2012-07-25 by cheju_99
Yeah... you really hit the ball!!! Thanks for the advice. I connected to a m-audio controller keyb via midi channel 1, and it sounds with no problem!! But I have no leds light on the emax and no pannels buttons activated, i only could change presets via the m-audio controller. It does mean that i bypassed the scanner chip? The internal keyb and Pannel buttons is the problem? What do you think --- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "jammie" <jammie.emma@...> wrote:
> > even if you remove keyboard its still connected via midi mode > ----- Original Message ----- > From: cheju_99 > To: emax@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Monday, July 23, 2012 2:32 AM > Subject: [emax] Re: No black boxes boot > > > > Yes but even i disconnect the keyboard conector and got the same. When i turn on the emax all the led turn on for a few miliseconds. > --- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "jammie" <jammie.emma@> wrote: > > > > front panel is done by the scanner chip and cpu > > > > so are the keys > > > > sustaning notes is usually a bad diode on the keyboard some where > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: cheju_99 > > To: emax@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2012 11:42 PM > > Subject: [emax] Re: No black boxes boot > > > > > > > > Finally after reseating some ic´s the unit began to boot from the diskette, now the problem is : it load the preset tone but i have no access to the front panel buttons, even no lights form the form panel leds, and also when i press the music keyboard it becomes a totally mess, with tones in chaos no scale, sustain for ever......recently i changed the scanner chip with a nes one form eprelectronics but nothing happens.... any idea? > > > > --- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "cheju_99" <cheju_99@> wrote: > > > > > > Ok great advice i'll ask Ted > > > Thanks for your time > > > > > > --- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "jammie" <jammie.emma@> wrote: > > > > > > > > basically send it to ted who can test against another mainboard to see where the problem is > > > > > > > > as you could be nocking your head against the wall not know what is actually wrong > > > > > > > > you could be changing chips that dont need changing > > > > > > > > as it could be a cap thats gone down to earth and dropping a signal to zero volts > > > > > > > > with out a scope or a anilyser you cant tell > > > > > > > > as ted can test a good working machine and compare the functions from the none working machine to see if the signals are correct > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: cheju_99 > > > > To: emax@yahoogroups.com > > > > Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2012 10:05 PM > > > > Subject: [emax] Re: black boxes No boot > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Its a keyboard i upload some photos to the forum > > > > > > > > --- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "jammie" <jammie.emma@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > no the lcd control is seperste from the scanner cpu > > > > > > > > > > the scanner cpu deals with the keyboard matrix of notes and velocity > > > > > > > > > > and also scans the front control buttons when a momentary pulse from a button it goes to the correct software access and lights a led if there is a led function for it via some logic switches > > > > > > > > > > the scanner interfaces with the main cpu giving it all the control information > > > > > > > > > > cpu with other logic chips deals with the lcd but gets the control information from the scanner cpu and duart > > > > > > > > > > what board do you have rack or keyboard > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: cheju_99 > > > > > To: emax@yahoogroups.com > > > > > Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2012 8:44 PM > > > > > Subject: [emax] Re: black boxes No boot > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am thinking this must be related to a failure in the front panel panel, what do you think? > > > > > > > > > > --- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "jammie" <jammie.emma@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > broken floppy > > > > > > > > > > > > this can also make the lcd screen crash > > > > > > > > > > > > remove floppy drive idc cable and see if it comes up with the emu screen > > > > > > > > > > > > it could be a number of chips but i would check the floppy disk controller > > > > > > > > > > > > if your brother is a digital electronics technician then he can check the pulses with a logic anilyser and cross reference with the pdf for the pulse signals to see if he is getting correct signals > > > > > > > > > > > > also have you got the cable the corect way on the floppy is it an original or a replacement as if its a replacement the floppy cable goes the oposit to the original version > > > > > > > > > > > > as you have to do that on all models due to the manufactureres setting the to pc standard and pin 1 is the oposit side > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > From: cheju_99 > > > > > > To: emax@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2012 6:58 PM > > > > > > Subject: [emax] Re: black boxes No boot > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes i already check the cables pin 1 is ok. My brother (digital electronics technician) insist that is a power issue, 'cos no spin on the floopy but we checked completely the psu and q2 on the board but the volts are ok, i am seriously thinkig my pal chips are dead, what do you think??? > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In emax@yahoogroups.com, Ted Summers <djtbs1@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You may also wish to reseat the IC's on the right half of the Emax logic board including the EPROM. > > > > > > > My testbed for the SCSI kits does this as it gets flexed from many IC removal / replacement and so the seating of IC's isn't great. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Once I reseat everything I will get my display back and floppy whirring away- IT's ALIVE, ALIVE!!!! > > > > > > > BWAHAHAHA!!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just a thought. > > > > > > > The other option is to send it to jammie or me (depend on where you live). I doubt it is dead, you may just be looking at the wrong thing / area of the board. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or Jammie has some boards... I do believe. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thx, > > > > > > > Ted > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Jun 10, 2012, at 2:12 AM, jammie wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > check the digital to audio board cable have you got it reversed > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > From: cheju_99 > > > > > > > To: emax@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2012 3:50 AM > > > > > > > Subject: [emax] black boxes No boot > > > > > > > > > > > > > > After spending many dollars buying the technical manual, and the 6500 scan processor from eprelectronics, definitely with no success triying to start an emax 1- Right now got the unit with the display showing black boxes, a floppy drive who doesn´t spin, and definitely no boot. Any idea from the people´s forum????......hurry the trash truck is coming. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >
2012-07-25 by jammie
check the cable make sure you have continuity when removing the cable did you pull on it as your supposed to use a hook tool
----- Original Message -----
From: cheju_99
To: emax@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2012 3:11 AM
Subject: [emax] Re: No black boxes boot
Yeah... you really hit the ball!!! Thanks for the advice. I connected to a m-audio controller keyb via midi channel 1, and it sounds with no problem!! But I have no leds light on the emax and no pannels buttons activated, i only could change presets via the m-audio controller. It does mean that i bypassed the scanner chip? The internal keyb and Pannel buttons is the problem? What do you think
--- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "jammie" <jammie.emma@...> wrote:
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> even if you remove keyboard its still connected via midi mode
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: cheju_99
> To: emax@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Monday, July 23, 2012 2:32 AM
> Subject: [emax] Re: No black boxes boot
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> Yes but even i disconnect the keyboard conector and got the same. When i turn on the emax all the led turn on for a few miliseconds.
> --- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "jammie" <jammie.emma@> wrote:
> >
> > front panel is done by the scanner chip and cpu
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> > so are the keys
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> > sustaning notes is usually a bad diode on the keyboard some where
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: cheju_99
> > To: emax@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2012 11:42 PM
> > Subject: [emax] Re: No black boxes boot
> >
> >
> >
> > Finally after reseating some ic´s the unit began to boot from the diskette, now the problem is : it load the preset tone but i have no access to the front panel buttons, even no lights form the form panel leds, and also when i press the music keyboard it becomes a totally mess, with tones in chaos no scale, sustain for ever......recently i changed the scanner chip with a nes one form eprelectronics but nothing happens.... any idea?
> >
> > --- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "cheju_99" <cheju_99@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Ok great advice i'll ask Ted
> > > Thanks for your time
> > >
> > > --- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "jammie" <jammie.emma@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > basically send it to ted who can test against another mainboard to see where the problem is
> > > >
> > > > as you could be nocking your head against the wall not know what is actually wrong
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> > > > you could be changing chips that dont need changing
> > > >
> > > > as it could be a cap thats gone down to earth and dropping a signal to zero volts
> > > >
> > > > with out a scope or a anilyser you cant tell
> > > >
> > > > as ted can test a good working machine and compare the functions from the none working machine to see if the signals are correct
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: cheju_99
> > > > To: emax@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2012 10:05 PM
> > > > Subject: [emax] Re: black boxes No boot
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Its a keyboard i upload some photos to the forum
> > > >
> > > > --- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "jammie" <jammie.emma@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > no the lcd control is seperste from the scanner cpu
> > > > >
> > > > > the scanner cpu deals with the keyboard matrix of notes and velocity
> > > > >
> > > > > and also scans the front control buttons when a momentary pulse from a button it goes to the correct software access and lights a led if there is a led function for it via some logic switches
> > > > >
> > > > > the scanner interfaces with the main cpu giving it all the control information
> > > > >
> > > > > cpu with other logic chips deals with the lcd but gets the control information from the scanner cpu and duart
> > > > >
> > > > > what board do you have rack or keyboard
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: cheju_99
> > > > > To: emax@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2012 8:44 PM
> > > > > Subject: [emax] Re: black boxes No boot
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I am thinking this must be related to a failure in the front panel panel, what do you think?
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "jammie" <jammie.emma@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > broken floppy
> > > > > >
> > > > > > this can also make the lcd screen crash
> > > > > >
> > > > > > remove floppy drive idc cable and see if it comes up with the emu screen
> > > > > >
> > > > > > it could be a number of chips but i would check the floppy disk controller
> > > > > >
> > > > > > if your brother is a digital electronics technician then he can check the pulses with a logic anilyser and cross reference with the pdf for the pulse signals to see if he is getting correct signals
> > > > > >
> > > > > > also have you got the cable the corect way on the floppy is it an original or a replacement as if its a replacement the floppy cable goes the oposit to the original version
> > > > > >
> > > > > > as you have to do that on all models due to the manufactureres setting the to pc standard and pin 1 is the oposit side
> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > From: cheju_99
> > > > > > To: emax@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > > Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2012 6:58 PM
> > > > > > Subject: [emax] Re: black boxes No boot
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
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> > > > > > Yes i already check the cables pin 1 is ok. My brother (digital electronics technician) insist that is a power issue, 'cos no spin on the floopy but we checked completely the psu and q2 on the board but the volts are ok, i am seriously thinkig my pal chips are dead, what do you think???
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In emax@yahoogroups.com, Ted Summers <djtbs1@> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > You may also wish to reseat the IC's on the right half of the Emax logic board including the EPROM.
> > > > > > > My testbed for the SCSI kits does this as it gets flexed from many IC removal / replacement and so the seating of IC's isn't great.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Once I reseat everything I will get my display back and floppy whirring away- IT's ALIVE, ALIVE!!!!
> > > > > > > BWAHAHAHA!!!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Just a thought.
> > > > > > > The other option is to send it to jammie or me (depend on where you live). I doubt it is dead, you may just be looking at the wrong thing / area of the board.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > or Jammie has some boards... I do believe.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Thx,
> > > > > > > Ted
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Jun 10, 2012, at 2:12 AM, jammie wrote:
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> > > > > > > check the digital to audio board cable have you got it reversed
> > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > From: cheju_99
> > > > > > > To: emax@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > > > Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2012 3:50 AM
> > > > > > > Subject: [emax] black boxes No boot
> > > > > > >
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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]2012-07-25 by cheju_99
yeah i pulled....i´ll check continuity thanks again --- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "jammie" <jammie.emma@...> wrote:
> > check the cable > > make sure you have continuity > > when removing the cable did you pull on it > > as your supposed to use a hook tool > ----- Original Message ----- > From: cheju_99 > To: emax@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2012 3:11 AM > Subject: [emax] Re: No black boxes boot > > > > Yeah... you really hit the ball!!! Thanks for the advice. I connected to a m-audio controller keyb via midi channel 1, and it sounds with no problem!! But I have no leds light on the emax and no pannels buttons activated, i only could change presets via the m-audio controller. It does mean that i bypassed the scanner chip? The internal keyb and Pannel buttons is the problem? What do you think > --- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "jammie" <jammie.emma@> wrote: > > > > even if you remove keyboard its still connected via midi mode > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: cheju_99 > > To: emax@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Monday, July 23, 2012 2:32 AM > > Subject: [emax] Re: No black boxes boot > > > > > > > > Yes but even i disconnect the keyboard conector and got the same. When i turn on the emax all the led turn on for a few miliseconds. > > --- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "jammie" <jammie.emma@> wrote: > > > > > > front panel is done by the scanner chip and cpu > > > > > > so are the keys > > > > > > sustaning notes is usually a bad diode on the keyboard some where > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: cheju_99 > > > To: emax@yahoogroups.com > > > Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2012 11:42 PM > > > Subject: [emax] Re: No black boxes boot > > > > > > > > > > > > Finally after reseating some ic´s the unit began to boot from the diskette, now the problem is : it load the preset tone but i have no access to the front panel buttons, even no lights form the form panel leds, and also when i press the music keyboard it becomes a totally mess, with tones in chaos no scale, sustain for ever......recently i changed the scanner chip with a nes one form eprelectronics but nothing happens.... any idea? > > > > > > --- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "cheju_99" <cheju_99@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Ok great advice i'll ask Ted > > > > Thanks for your time > > > > > > > > --- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "jammie" <jammie.emma@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > basically send it to ted who can test against another mainboard to see where the problem is > > > > > > > > > > as you could be nocking your head against the wall not know what is actually wrong > > > > > > > > > > you could be changing chips that dont need changing > > > > > > > > > > as it could be a cap thats gone down to earth and dropping a signal to zero volts > > > > > > > > > > with out a scope or a anilyser you cant tell > > > > > > > > > > as ted can test a good working machine and compare the functions from the none working machine to see if the signals are correct > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: cheju_99 > > > > > To: emax@yahoogroups.com > > > > > Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2012 10:05 PM > > > > > Subject: [emax] Re: black boxes No boot > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Its a keyboard i upload some photos to the forum > > > > > > > > > > --- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "jammie" <jammie.emma@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > no the lcd control is seperste from the scanner cpu > > > > > > > > > > > > the scanner cpu deals with the keyboard matrix of notes and velocity > > > > > > > > > > > > and also scans the front control buttons when a momentary pulse from a button it goes to the correct software access and lights a led if there is a led function for it via some logic switches > > > > > > > > > > > > the scanner interfaces with the main cpu giving it all the control information > > > > > > > > > > > > cpu with other logic chips deals with the lcd but gets the control information from the scanner cpu and duart > > > > > > > > > > > > what board do you have rack or keyboard > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > From: cheju_99 > > > > > > To: emax@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2012 8:44 PM > > > > > > Subject: [emax] Re: black boxes No boot > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am thinking this must be related to a failure in the front panel panel, what do you think? > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "jammie" <jammie.emma@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > broken floppy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this can also make the lcd screen crash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > remove floppy drive idc cable and see if it comes up with the emu screen > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it could be a number of chips but i would check the floppy disk controller > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if your brother is a digital electronics technician then he can check the pulses with a logic anilyser and cross reference with the pdf for the pulse signals to see if he is getting correct signals > > > > > > > > > > > > > > also have you got the cable the corect way on the floppy is it an original or a replacement as if its a replacement the floppy cable goes the oposit to the original version > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as you have to do that on all models due to the manufactureres setting the to pc standard and pin 1 is the oposit side > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > From: cheju_99 > > > > > > > To: emax@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2012 6:58 PM > > > > > > > Subject: [emax] Re: black boxes No boot > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes i already check the cables pin 1 is ok. My brother (digital electronics technician) insist that is a power issue, 'cos no spin on the floopy but we checked completely the psu and q2 on the board but the volts are ok, i am seriously thinkig my pal chips are dead, what do you think??? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In emax@yahoogroups.com, Ted Summers <djtbs1@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You may also wish to reseat the IC's on the right half of the Emax logic board including the EPROM. > > > > > > > > My testbed for the SCSI kits does this as it gets flexed from many IC removal / replacement and so the seating of IC's isn't great. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Once I reseat everything I will get my display back and floppy whirring away- IT's ALIVE, ALIVE!!!! > > > > > > > > BWAHAHAHA!!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just a thought. > > > > > > > > The other option is to send it to jammie or me (depend on where you live). I doubt it is dead, you may just be looking at the wrong thing / area of the board. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or Jammie has some boards... I do believe. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thx, > > > > > > > > Ted > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Jun 10, 2012, at 2:12 AM, jammie wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > check the digital to audio board cable have you got it reversed > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > > From: cheju_99 > > > > > > > > To: emax@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2012 3:50 AM > > > > > > > > Subject: [emax] black boxes No boot > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > After spending many dollars buying the technical manual, and the 6500 scan processor from eprelectronics, definitely with no success triying to start an emax 1- Right now got the unit with the display showing black boxes, a floppy drive who doesn´t spin, and definitely no boot. Any idea from the people´s forum????......hurry the trash truck is coming. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >
2012-07-26 by cheju_99
I can't remove the cable, the ribbon terminal on the panel board is very hard, how do you do that... ? --- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "cheju_99" <cheju_99@...> wrote:
> > yeah i pulled....i´ll check continuity > thanks again > > --- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "jammie" <jammie.emma@> wrote: > > > > check the cable > > > > make sure you have continuity > > > > when removing the cable did you pull on it > > > > as your supposed to use a hook tool > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: cheju_99 > > To: emax@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2012 3:11 AM > > Subject: [emax] Re: No black boxes boot > > > > > > > > Yeah... you really hit the ball!!! Thanks for the advice. I connected to a m-audio controller keyb via midi channel 1, and it sounds with no problem!! But I have no leds light on the emax and no pannels buttons activated, i only could change presets via the m-audio controller. It does mean that i bypassed the scanner chip? The internal keyb and Pannel buttons is the problem? What do you think > > --- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "jammie" <jammie.emma@> wrote: > > > > > > even if you remove keyboard its still connected via midi mode > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: cheju_99 > > > To: emax@yahoogroups.com > > > Sent: Monday, July 23, 2012 2:32 AM > > > Subject: [emax] Re: No black boxes boot > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes but even i disconnect the keyboard conector and got the same. When i turn on the emax all the led turn on for a few miliseconds. > > > --- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "jammie" <jammie.emma@> wrote: > > > > > > > > front panel is done by the scanner chip and cpu > > > > > > > > so are the keys > > > > > > > > sustaning notes is usually a bad diode on the keyboard some where > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: cheju_99 > > > > To: emax@yahoogroups.com > > > > Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2012 11:42 PM > > > > Subject: [emax] Re: No black boxes boot > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Finally after reseating some ic´s the unit began to boot from the diskette, now the problem is : it load the preset tone but i have no access to the front panel buttons, even no lights form the form panel leds, and also when i press the music keyboard it becomes a totally mess, with tones in chaos no scale, sustain for ever......recently i changed the scanner chip with a nes one form eprelectronics but nothing happens.... any idea? > > > > > > > > --- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "cheju_99" <cheju_99@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Ok great advice i'll ask Ted > > > > > Thanks for your time > > > > > > > > > > --- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "jammie" <jammie.emma@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > basically send it to ted who can test against another mainboard to see where the problem is > > > > > > > > > > > > as you could be nocking your head against the wall not know what is actually wrong > > > > > > > > > > > > you could be changing chips that dont need changing > > > > > > > > > > > > as it could be a cap thats gone down to earth and dropping a signal to zero volts > > > > > > > > > > > > with out a scope or a anilyser you cant tell > > > > > > > > > > > > as ted can test a good working machine and compare the functions from the none working machine to see if the signals are correct > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > From: cheju_99 > > > > > > To: emax@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2012 10:05 PM > > > > > > Subject: [emax] Re: black boxes No boot > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Its a keyboard i upload some photos to the forum > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "jammie" <jammie.emma@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no the lcd control is seperste from the scanner cpu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the scanner cpu deals with the keyboard matrix of notes and velocity > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and also scans the front control buttons when a momentary pulse from a button it goes to the correct software access and lights a led if there is a led function for it via some logic switches > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the scanner interfaces with the main cpu giving it all the control information > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cpu with other logic chips deals with the lcd but gets the control information from the scanner cpu and duart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what board do you have rack or keyboard > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > From: cheju_99 > > > > > > > To: emax@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2012 8:44 PM > > > > > > > Subject: [emax] Re: black boxes No boot > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am thinking this must be related to a failure in the front panel panel, what do you think? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "jammie" <jammie.emma@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > broken floppy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this can also make the lcd screen crash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > remove floppy drive idc cable and see if it comes up with the emu screen > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it could be a number of chips but i would check the floppy disk controller > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if your brother is a digital electronics technician then he can check the pulses with a logic anilyser and cross reference with the pdf for the pulse signals to see if he is getting correct signals > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > also have you got the cable the corect way on the floppy is it an original or a replacement as if its a replacement the floppy cable goes the oposit to the original version > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as you have to do that on all models due to the manufactureres setting the to pc standard and pin 1 is the oposit side > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > > From: cheju_99 > > > > > > > > To: emax@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2012 6:58 PM > > > > > > > > Subject: [emax] Re: black boxes No boot > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes i already check the cables pin 1 is ok. My brother (digital electronics technician) insist that is a power issue, 'cos no spin on the floopy but we checked completely the psu and q2 on the board but the volts are ok, i am seriously thinkig my pal chips are dead, what do you think??? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In emax@yahoogroups.com, Ted Summers <djtbs1@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You may also wish to reseat the IC's on the right half of the Emax logic board including the EPROM. > > > > > > > > > My testbed for the SCSI kits does this as it gets flexed from many IC removal / replacement and so the seating of IC's isn't great. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Once I reseat everything I will get my display back and floppy whirring away- IT's ALIVE, ALIVE!!!! > > > > > > > > > BWAHAHAHA!!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just a thought. > > > > > > > > > The other option is to send it to jammie or me (depend on where you live). I doubt it is dead, you may just be looking at the wrong thing / area of the board. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or Jammie has some boards... I do believe. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thx, > > > > > > > > > Ted > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Jun 10, 2012, at 2:12 AM, jammie wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > check the digital to audio board cable have you got it reversed > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > > > From: cheju_99 > > > > > > > > > To: emax@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > > Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2012 3:50 AM > > > > > > > > > Subject: [emax] black boxes No boot > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > After spending many dollars buying the technical manual, and the 6500 scan processor from eprelectronics, definitely with no success triying to start an emax 1- Right now got the unit with the display showing black boxes, a floppy drive who doesn´t spin, and definitely no boot. Any idea from the people´s forum????......hurry the trash truck is coming. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > >
2014-01-29 by mark sherkus
HI gang,I seem to have forgotten which member was selling kits and oscillators made from an Emu design....was it Jaime? anyhow after 15 years of searching for vintage submodules Im serious about replacing the 2 that blew.......please send me in the right direction,Mark thats for an early 70s modular On Wednesday, July 25, 2012 5:40 AM, cheju_99 <cheju_99@...> wrote: yeah i pulled....i´ll check continuity thanks again --- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "jammie" <jammie.emma@...> wrote:
> > check the cable > > make sure you have continuity > > when removing the cable did you pull on it > > as your supposed to use a hook tool > ----- Original Message ----- > From: cheju_99 > To: emax@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2012 3:11 AM > Subject: [emax] Re: No black boxes boot > > > > Yeah... you really hit the ball!!! Thanks for the advice. I connected to a m-audio controller keyb via midi channel 1, and it sounds with no problem!! But I have no leds light on the emax and no pannels buttons activated, i only could change presets via the m-audio controller. It does mean that i bypassed the scanner chip? The internal keyb and Pannel buttons is the problem? What do you think > --- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "jammie" <jammie.emma@> wrote: > > > > even if you remove keyboard its still connected via midi mode > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: cheju_99 > > To: emax@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Monday, July 23, 2012 2:32 AM > > Subject: [emax] Re: No black boxes boot > > > > > > > > Yes but even i disconnect the keyboard conector and got the same. When i turn on the emax all the led turn on for a few miliseconds. > > --- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "jammie" <jammie.emma@> wrote: > > > > > > front panel is done by the scanner chip and cpu > > > > > > so are the keys > > > > > > sustaning notes is usually a bad diode on the keyboard some where > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: cheju_99 > > > To: emax@yahoogroups.com > > > Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2012 11:42 PM > > > Subject: [emax] Re: No black boxes boot > > > > > > > > > > > > Finally after reseating some ic´s the unit began to boot from the diskette, now the problem is : it load the preset tone but i have no access to the front panel buttons, even no lights form the form panel leds, and also when i press the music keyboard it becomes a totally mess, with tones in chaos no scale, sustain for ever......recently i changed the scanner chip with a nes one form eprelectronics but nothing happens.... any idea? > > > > > > --- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "cheju_99" <cheju_99@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Ok great advice i'll ask Ted > > > > Thanks for your time > > > > > > > > --- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "jammie" <jammie.emma@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > basically send it to ted who can test against another mainboard to see where the problem is > > > > > > > > > > as you could be nocking your head against the wall not know what is actually wrong > > > > > > > > > > you could be changing chips that dont need changing > > > > > > > > > > as it could be a cap thats gone down to earth and dropping a signal to zero volts > > > > > > > > > > with out a scope or a anilyser you cant tell > > > > > > > > > > as ted can test a good working machine and compare the functions from the none working machine to see if the signals are correct > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: cheju_99 > > > > > To: emax@yahoogroups.com > > > > > Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2012 10:05 PM > > > > > Subject: [emax] Re: black boxes No boot > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Its a keyboard i upload some photos to the forum > > > > > > > > > > --- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "jammie" <jammie.emma@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > no the lcd control is seperste from the scanner cpu > > > > > > > > > > > > the scanner cpu deals with the keyboard matrix of notes and velocity > > > > > > > > > > > > and also scans the front control buttons when a momentary pulse from a button it goes to the correct software access and lights a led if there is a led function for it via some logic switches > > > > > > > > > > > > the scanner interfaces with the main cpu giving it all the control information > > > > > > > > > > > > cpu with other logic chips deals with the lcd but gets the control information from the scanner cpu and duart > > > > > > > > > > > > what board do you have rack or keyboard > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > From: cheju_99 > > > > > > To: emax@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2012 8:44 PM > > > > > > Subject: [emax] Re: black boxes No boot > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am thinking this must be related to a failure in the front panel panel, what do you think? > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "jammie" <jammie.emma@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > broken floppy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this can also make the lcd screen crash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > remove floppy drive idc cable and see if it comes up with the emu screen > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it could be a number of chips but i would check the floppy disk controller > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if your brother is a digital electronics technician then he can check the pulses with a logic anilyser and cross reference with the pdf for the pulse signals to see if he is getting correct signals > > > > > > > > > > > > > > also have you got the cable the corect way on the floppy is it an original or a replacement as if its a replacement the floppy cable goes the oposit to the original version > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as you have to do that on all models due to the manufactureres setting the to pc standard and pin 1 is the oposit side > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > From: cheju_99 > > > > > > > To: emax@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2012 6:58 PM > > > > > > > Subject: [emax] Re: black boxes No boot > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes i already check the cables pin 1 is ok. My brother (digital electronics technician) insist that is a power issue, 'cos no spin on the floopy but we checked completely the psu and q2 on the board but the volts are ok, i am seriously thinkig my pal chips are dead, what do you think??? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In emax@yahoogroups.com, Ted Summers <djtbs1@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You may also wish to reseat the IC's on the right half of the Emax logic board including the EPROM. > > > > > > > > My testbed for the SCSI kits does this as it gets flexed from many IC removal / replacement and so the seating of IC's isn't great. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Once I reseat everything I will get my display back and floppy whirring away- IT's ALIVE, ALIVE!!!! > > > > > > > > BWAHAHAHA!!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just a thought. > > > > > > > > The other option is to send it to jammie or me (depend on where you live). I doubt it is dead, you may just be looking at the wrong thing / area of the board. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or Jammie has some boards... I do believe. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thx, > > > > > > > > Ted > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Jun 10, 2012, at 2:12 AM, jammie wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > check the digital to audio board cable have you got it reversed > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > > From: cheju_99 > > > > > > > > To: emax@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2012 3:50 AM > > > > > > > > Subject: [emax] black boxes No boot > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > After spending many dollars buying the technical manual, and the 6500 scan processor from eprelectronics, definitely with no success triying to start an emax 1- Right now got the unit with the display showing black boxes, a floppy drive who doesn´t spin, and definitely no boot. Any idea from the people´s forum????......hurry the trash truck is coming. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >