EXS 24 Logic Sampler Users Group

Murray,

You have highlighted the fact that Motorola is a poorly managed company.
Apple is entirely aware of this and has long been frustrated by their
connections there. The question is what can Apple do to maintain a strong
company while they have such a problem with their CPU supplier? I think they
are trying to create something with their OS that is different and
compelling and this might be one explanation of the take over of Emagic and
other companies.

Regards

Paul

> From: Murray McDowall <murraymc@...>
> Reply-To: exs-users@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 23:27:15 +1000
> To: exs-users@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [exs] Some reasons why Steve Jobs bought Emagic
> 
> Paul Nicholls wrote:
> 
>> First of all if we are going to discuss the future of wimpy Mac CPUs and the
>> possibilities of big strong Intel CPUs to come, I am surprised that there is
>> not more talk here about the upcoming Motorola G5 chip, a 64 bit processor
>> coming in at 1.8 ghz. or so, with amazing power and 4 Altivec 'DSP' engines
>> on board, and spiffy multi-processing capabilities. We would have it now if
>> not for some problems Apple is dealing with with heat control, a typical
>> problem given all that is going on inside. Most Mac people are certain it
>> will be here within 6 months. I am looking to upgrade to this sort of
>> machine rather than get a G4. In two years we will be up around 5 ghz. We
>> all know this anyway given the history of computers.
> 
> Perhaps -- perhaps not. The move to .13 micron fabrication process is being
> handled a lot better by some foundries than others. The move to 90nm --
> who knows how well that will go at Motorola? Five Ghz chips will probably
> be on 90 or even 65nm process.
> 
> Whether processors cut the mustard depends on how well they keep the engine
> stoked with data and instructions. Spending cycles waiting for something to
> work with leaves a fast processor engine spinning its wheels.
> 
> If you have been following the PowerPC for a while you will remember the
> much vaunted 620 processor that was up there on all the roadmaps. It was to
> follow the 601 and the 604. Well what happened to the marvellous all
> conquering PPC 620? It was a fizzer. The architecture did not actually
> deliver the expected performance and it was junked after a fortune was
> spent on it. Like Copland.
> 
> Motorola just kept ramping up the clockspeed on the 604 and the market had
> to wait for the G3. The G4 wasn't meant to be stalled at 500 MHz for 18
> months either. From the reports I have read it was stuck there because it's
> pipeline was short and therfore benchmarks did not scale with increasing
> clockspeed. Bad design -- back to the drawing board. Transmeta have been
> incredibly late delivering their 130nm 1Ghz 5800  chip that was promised
> for ages ago. Shit happens.
> 
> So what should all this tell you? --- don't believe the hype.
> 
> Believe in reliable 3rd party benchmaring of real products -- not empty
> boasts about vapour.
> 
> The rest of your post is exactly the sort of Kool-Aid inspired crap that
> has just been banned from the LUG.
> 
> It has nothing to do with the EXS24.
> 
> Why don't we give it a rest?
> 
> Regards,
> M
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