EXS 24 Logic Sampler Users Group

Does anyone know what type of sample CDs are used by artists like 
Michael Cretu, Rhys Fulber, or artists writing ambient/new age dub 
style music?  

All the interviews I read talk about how these guys use Logic and how 
they "...love the built in samplers and synths because it was such a 
pain 10 years ago" so I figure they must have purchased some drum CDs 
that we can have access to as well! 

Sometimes their kits sound accoustic, just processed, so that's not 
too hard to get a hold of.  The electronic kits these guys use seem a 
bit softer and aren't the typical Roland TR-808 or TR-909 drum 
machines used for House/Trance music, although I could be wrong, 
maybe just not as compressed?  Even so I doubt they are using legacy 
drum machines and probably using Sample CDs from various libraries.  
I just want to know which ones so I can have a listen too! :)   I 
have a couple drum CDs and the only one that's close is the Wizoo 
Platinum24 Electronic 808/909 CD. 

Remember the early Enigma stuff?  It had that "Soul II Soul" style 
drum sound.  lol.. Really though, I appreciate any feedback ya guys 
have!

:)

> I just want to know which ones so I can have a
> listen too! :)   I 
> have a couple drum CDs and the only one that's close
> is the Wizoo 
> Platinum24 Electronic 808/909 CD. 
> Remember the early Enigma stuff?  It had that "Soul
> II Soul" style 
> drum sound.  lol.. Really though, I appreciate any
> feedback ya guys 
> have!
> 
I am not familiar with Michael Cretu but Rhys actually
samples everyone else.  If you listen to Future Sound
Of London - "Paupa New Guinea", Enigma - "Sadeness",
Deep Forest - "Savanah Dance", Dead Can Dance -
"Persian Love Song", Tori Amos - " Caught A Lite
Sneeze " and Several Songs from Massive Attack you
will hear a good portion of the samples from the
Symantic Spaces and Karma.  They do use alot of
organic kits both played by a drummer and sampled. 
Then you will just have to experiment with the FX till
it sounds similar.  I have tried the same approach to
get something that sounds similar to their drums but
so far have been unsucessfull.

Since most of their sampled drums are copywritten I
don't think it will be very likly for them to put out
a sample CD.  You can go to the conjure one website
and ask Rhys if he would do something like that.  He
reads the posts quite often.

I remember hearing some of that stuff on Einstein CD from (AFAIR) 
BestService. Also most of them seem to use Eric Persing's Distorted 
Reality (mostly volume 1) quite extensively, but those are mainly 
loops, not kits. In general, I think if you're really serious about 
processing some plain samples with unconventional means (distortion, 
ring mod, etc.) and not too lazy to experiment you're gonna come up 
with some unique ideas everyone would be curious to know, cause after 
all that's how these guys got their specific sound IMMHO. Just my 
$0.02.

Best,

Andy

On Dec 10, 2003, at 3:49 AM, Mark wrote:

> Does anyone know what type of sample CDs are used by artists like
> Michael Cretu, Rhys Fulber, or artists writing ambient/new age dub
> style music?
>
> All the interviews I read talk about how these guys use Logic and how
> they "...love the built in samplers and synths because it was such a
> pain 10 years ago" so I figure they must have purchased some drum CDs
> that we can have access to as well!
>
> Sometimes their kits sound accoustic, just processed, so that's not
> too hard to get a hold of.  The electronic kits these guys use seem a
> bit softer and aren't the typical Roland TR-808 or TR-909 drum
> machines used for House/Trance music, although I could be wrong,
> maybe just not as compressed?  Even so I doubt they are using legacy
> drum machines and probably using Sample CDs from various libraries.
> I just want to know which ones so I can have a listen too! :)   I
> have a couple drum CDs and the only one that's close is the Wizoo
> Platinum24 Electronic 808/909 CD.
>
> Remember the early Enigma stuff?  It had that "Soul II Soul" style
> drum sound.  lol.. Really though, I appreciate any feedback ya guys
> have!
>
> :)

I picked up drum CD for EXS24 that's pretty good.  It has all those 
drum machines that were used to create the loops by Dead Can Dance, 
FSOL, Massive Attack, and so on.  It's got the old Roland, Linn, 
Akai, Oberheim, and Korg drum kits (and more) in native EXS24 and the 
CD was only $25. 

Here are a few questions I'm curious about (forgive my amateur status)

1) When a drum loop is sampled, how do they stretch it to be the 
tempo THEY want for their song as opposed to being forced to use the 
tempo it was originally sampled at?

2) Even if they sample a main beat, what about drum fills or drum 
part solos (such as a  breakdown that eliminates hi-hats, or is just 
a bass drum with no snare but still has hi-hats, etc).

3) For more recent CDs like Conjure One, do you think other parts are 
sampled (ripped) like the accoustic guitars or little melodies and 
riffs here and there?  Or do you think it's 50/50 ripped and 
original?  I did read an interview where Fulber said the Conjure One 
album sat on the shelf for one year because sample clearence took so 
long.


Thanks,
Mark






--- In exs-users@yahoogroups.com, Robert Black <rsblack84070@y...> 

> I am not familiar with Michael Cretu but Rhys actually
> samples everyone else.  If you listen to Future Sound
> Of London - "Paupa New Guinea", Enigma - "Sadeness",
> Deep Forest - "Savanah Dance", Dead Can Dance -
> "Persian Love Song", Tori Amos - " Caught A Lite
> Sneeze " and Several Songs from Massive Attack you
> will hear a good portion of the samples from the
> Symantic Spaces and Karma.  They do use alot of
> organic kits both played by a drummer and sampled. 
> Then you will just have to experiment with the FX till
> it sounds similar.  I have tried the same approach to
> get something that sounds similar to their drums but
> so far have been unsucessfull.
> 
> Since most of their sampled drums are copywritten I
> don't think it will be very likly for them to put out
> a sample CD.  You can go to the conjure one website
> and ask Rhys if he would do something like that.  He
> reads the posts quite often.

I wanted to add that as for creating original drum loops for the 
Ambient/Dub/New Age style of music I found the kits from Eric 
Persing's Stylus software instrument (Spectrasonics) to fit the bill 
perfectly based on the demos I heard and seeing the demonstration 
video.  

For creating "ethnic" sounds or using world instruments, I also found 
a number of sample CDs (Ethno World, Ethno World 2, Quantum Leap Rare 
Instruments) to sound excellent but just those three CDs alone add up 
to $1,000 which for some people is a lot to just pull out of your 
pocket.  The Virtual Instrument called Culture from Yellow Tools 
offers a lot and because it's 100% instruments as opposed to some 
intrsument, some loops, you probably get more value for your money.  

This is what I've discovered upon my research so I thought I'd share 
it with everyone.  I think now is nice time to write music that 
places itself in the New Age/Ethno/Ambient/Dub/Insert Name Here style 
of music because the availbility of the instruments to the single 
musicians is 100x what it was 10 years ago.  More sample CDs are now 
available offering these sounds, software samplers have increased 
productivity and usability for these sounds, and instruments like 
Culture, Stylus, and Atmosphere really help open things up.  Of 
course all of this is true for any genre, but I think this particular 
genre has leaned more on sampling copywritten material more than any 
other genre, so that's why I feel it's worth pointing all of this 
out. :)



  

--- In exs-users@yahoogroups.com, Andy Hardwake 
<digitalmechanics@m...> wrote:
> I remember hearing some of that stuff on Einstein CD from (AFAIR) 
> BestService. Also most of them seem to use Eric Persing's Distorted 
> Reality (mostly volume 1) quite extensively, but those are mainly 
> loops, not kits. In general, I think if you're really serious about 
> processing some plain samples with unconventional means 
(distortion, 
> ring mod, etc.) and not too lazy to experiment you're gonna come up 
> with some unique ideas everyone would be curious to know, cause 
after 

> all that's how these guys got their specific sound IMMHO. Just my 
> $0.02.
> 
> Best,
> 
> Andy