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I'm looking to expand my library and I appreciate the recommendations 
to select great muted trumpets and sax samples playing fine with EXS. 
Thanks >JJ

On Jan 15, 2004, at 9:38 AM, zig100n wrote:

> I'm looking to expand my library and I appreciate the recommendations
> to select great muted trumpets and sax samples playing fine with EXS.
> Thanks >JJ
>
>
The only good muted trumpet or saxophone sample is a good trumpet 
player or a saxophone player. Woodwinds and muted horns sounds are as 
difficult to be sampled as the human voice because they are just as 
personal.
As a hornplayer, I am  terribly biased of course.
U can fake a nicely 'organic' horn section if u blend as little as one 
real sax track into some 'pads' u lay down with a sequencer with 
standard sax sounds I believe, if u can't get together a whole bunch of 
players to play your riffs. Real horns will always sound like a million 
dollars.
MY 2 cents
till
http//:www.saxaddict.com

> On Jan 15, 2004, at 9:38 AM, zig100n wrote:
> 
>> I'm looking to expand my library and I appreciate the recommendations
>> to select great muted trumpets and sax samples playing fine with EXS.
>> Thanks >JJ

Solo or ensemble?
>> 
>> 
> The only good muted trumpet or saxophone sample is a good trumpet
> player or a saxophone player.

The only good purist is a dead purist?

> Woodwinds and muted horns sounds are as
> difficult to be sampled as the human voice because they are just as
> personal.

some people don't want personal. In the 70's that amounted to paying a lot
of money to a bunch of guys who wanted to sound like themselves and ask them
to sound anonymous. they hate that and complain. Doesn't make for a fun
session or easy results.

> As a hornplayer, I am  terribly biased of course.
> U can fake a nicely 'organic' horn section if u blend as little as one
> real sax track into some 'pads' u lay down with a sequencer with
> standard sax sounds I believe, if u can't get together a whole bunch of
> players to play your riffs. Real horns will always sound like a million
> dollars.
> till

Real horns will always sound like a million dollars played by whom? "ya, I
think Joey down the street has a trombone. He used to play in high school...
huh? He has no teeth left? damn, I guess it's time for horn samples."

I agree that real horns, or any instrument played by a really talented human
being or group of humans who like each other is far better than any sample
I've ever heard for 99% of my music, BUT what if you are sitting in your
room in the East Village and it's 4am and you can't have your horn buddies
over to play. You'll wake your neighbors, the cops'll come and confiscate
everything! Better to get a nice Horn Library for the EXS, work out your
parts with something that sounds pretty close to real and then have the real
guys come redo it when you're mixing in the super nice facility with a Neve
down the street. Or maybe you can't get very good horn Players because you
live in Nebraska. You only know the guys in the local firehouse parade
band... Then a good horn Sample library might come in handy again. Or maybe
you don't want an Organic sound! You want super tight parts like Jerry Hey
in the 80's but all the horn players you know are jazzers and sound too sexy
and Jerry Hey is too expensive to fly to Nebraska. You need horn samples
ESPECIALLY if you're a horn player and you want to write ensemble stuff
IMHO.

It's just tools. No one is stealing work from you.
You can get really amazing horn samples these days that actual horn players
have helped put together.
You can get Virtual guitarist and never call me for a session again.
I don't care because I have the SAM Horns!!!! raaaaaaghhhhhh

I wish I had an answer to the original post after all that, but I don't.
I too usually call my friends if I want horns.

happy birthday, Till
Teddy

On Jan 16, 2004, at 9:00 AM, Teddy Kumpel wrote:

> It's just tools. No one is stealing work from you.
> You can get really amazing horn samples these days that actual horn 
> players
> have helped put together.
> You can get Virtual guitarist and never call me for a session again.
> I don't care because I have the SAM Horns!!!! raaaaaaghhhhhh
>
> I wish I had an answer to the original post after all that, but I 
> don't.
> I too usually call my friends if I want horns.
>
> happy birthday, Till
> Teddy
>
the sample police is here. ;op
1.so lets agree that for writing horn parts we recommend  the SAM horns 
collection,
They were recorded by professionals and will do just fine for scetching 
out that horn riff.
2.For the circus style horn section sound we recommend making friends 
with the dude at the Firehouse marching band b4 he gets all drunk and 
his teeth smashed in and u might end up with that 'Real' horn sound.
3.If u want Miles Davis or Michael Brecker, u will have to call one of 
the many experts who make a living sounding like people none of us can 
afford 2 hire any more....

SAM HORNS it is, I personally never heard them, but if Teddy sez they 
sound SOOOO good that he has not been calling me for his horn parts at 
4 in the morning any more, they must rock.
u are talking to a Purist, u know?
peace
Till B

At 08:39 AM 01/16/2004, you wrote:
>SAM HORNS it is, I personally never heard them, but if Teddy sez they
>sound SOOOO good that he has not been calling me for his horn parts at
>4 in the morning any more, they must rock.
>u are talking to a Purist, u know?
>peace
>Till B


SAM Horns, and SAM everything, are great libraries. BUT, these are 
orchestral in every sense of the word and will not work well in a 
traditional pop or rock horn setting.

Quantam Leap Brass is very good for pop & big bans stuff...


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Err ....Miles died.



----- Original Message ----- 

From: "Till Behler" <till.behler@...>
To: <exs-users@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, January 16, 2004 4:39 PM
Subject: Re: [EXS] Re: great muted trumpets and sax samples


> 
> 
> 
> On Jan 16, 2004, at 9:00 AM, Teddy Kumpel wrote:
> 
> > It's just tools. No one is stealing work from you.
> > You can get really amazing horn samples these days that actual horn 
> > players
> > have helped put together.
> > You can get Virtual guitarist and never call me for a session again.
> > I don't care because I have the SAM Horns!!!! raaaaaaghhhhhh
> >
> > I wish I had an answer to the original post after all that, but I 
> > don't.
> > I too usually call my friends if I want horns.
> >
> > happy birthday, Till
> > Teddy
> >
> the sample police is here. ;op
> 1.so lets agree that for writing horn parts we recommend  the SAM horns 
> collection,
> They were recorded by professionals and will do just fine for scetching 
> out that horn riff.
> 2.For the circus style horn section sound we recommend making friends 
> with the dude at the Firehouse marching band b4 he gets all drunk and 
> his teeth smashed in and u might end up with that 'Real' horn sound.
> 3.If u want Miles Davis or Michael Brecker, u will have to call one of 
> the many experts who make a living sounding like people none of us can 
> afford 2 hire any more....
> 
> SAM HORNS it is, I personally never heard them, but if Teddy sez they 
> sound SOOOO good that he has not been calling me for his horn parts at 
> 4 in the morning any more, they must rock.
> u are talking to a Purist, u know?
> peace
> Till B
> 
> 
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> SAM HORNS it is, I personally never heard them, but if Teddy sez they 
> sound SOOOO good that he has not been calling me for his horn parts at 
> 4 in the morning any more, they must rock.
> u are talking to a Purist, u know?
> peace
> Till B

Actually, I've never heard the SAM horns. Everybody just talks about them 
here. 

Teddy

> From: Teddy <kumpkin@...>
> Reply-To: exs-users@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 04:53:25 +0000
> To: exs-users@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [EXS] Re: great muted trumpets and sax samples
> 
> 
>> SAM HORNS it is, I personally never heard them, but if Teddy sez they
>> sound SOOOO good that he has not been calling me for his horn parts at
>> 4 in the morning any more, they must rock.
>> u are talking to a Purist, u know?
>> peace
>> Till B
> 
> Actually, I've never heard the SAM horns. Everybody just talks about them
> here. 
> 
> Teddy

They're great.  But...they are orchestral French horns. They are not
designed for rock horn sections at all.  The Sam  Trombones and Trumpets are
also stunning - for orchestral arrangements.  Their website has a few nice
demos if you want to hear them at http://www.projectsam.com/demos.html

If you're looking for good section horns for r&b and rock, the Quantum Leap
Brass are very good.  As someone posted earlier, adding one or two live
players to them if you can afford it really helps to liven up any sampled
section.

James