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Hi
I´m new to the group and ESX24. You have probably been discussing
this topic, but I´ll try 
anyway.
I would like to get your opionion for the best Orchestral sounds
library.
Thanks

BM

If I had only one orchestral library to buy, and it had to be for EXS,  
I would opt for VSL Opus 1:

http://www.vsl.co.at/english/pages/products_%26_shop/horizon_series/ 
opus_1.htm

If it's too much money, then you might have to look at non-EXS  
solutions, like Garritan Personal Orchestra and Quantum Leap Symphonic  
Orchestra Silver.

Ned


On 04-03-19, at 11:36, Bodvar D. Moe wrote:

>  I would like to get your opionion for the best Orchestral sounds
>  library.
>  Thanks
>


http://www.nedfx.com

    Ned Bouhalassa

n e d @ n e d f x . c o m


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In a message dated 3/19/04 5:19:18 PM GMT Standard Time, bodvar@... 
writes:


> I would like to get your opionion for the best Orchestral sounds
> library.
> 

I would recommend Peter Siedlaczek's AOE EXS24 format, It comes on a DVD, and 
covers everything...the Strings are excellent But for Horns, I would say 
Project SAM and/or Quantum Leap Brass. 
In fact, if you are quick, you can order through "Sounds Online" in the 
states before the 24th March 04, use the promo code "GREEN" and you will get 30% 
off on many titles.


Good luck;-)

Gino 


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check out http://www.vsl.co.at/index_horizon.html
--

From: Ned Bouhalassa <ned@...>

>If I had only one orchestral library to buy, and it had to be for EXS,
>I would opt for VSL Opus 1:

For me the choice under those circumstances would be even easier: I'd 
go for the VSL Pro Edition!
-- 

Nick Batzdorf
818/905-9101, cell 590-9101, fax 905-5434

>  > I would like to get your opionion for the best Orchestral sounds
>  > library.

From: topfloormix@...

>I would recommend Peter Siedlaczek's AOE EXS24 format, It comes on a DVD, and
>covers everything...the Strings are excellent But for Horns, I would say
>Project SAM and/or Quantum Leap Brass.
>In fact, if you are quick, you can order through "Sounds Online" in the
>states before the 24th March 04, use the promo code "GREEN" and you 
>will get 30%
>off on many titles.
>
>
>Good luck;-)
>
>Gino

Gino, you might check out some of the newer libraries. AOE is still 
pretty good, but I think most people who are into this stuff would 
agree that the technology has advanced by leaps and bounds since then.

Project SAM is pretty far ahead of AOE, for example, and for that 
matter the brass in East West Quantum Leap Symphony Orchestra (which 
is available as an individual section, although not for EXS) is ahead 
of QLB. QLB does have some good jazzy articulations, but it's also 
from the pre-Giga era (even though it's available in Giga format).
-- 

Nick Batzdorf
818/905-9101, cell 590-9101, fax 905-5434

>  > Gino, you might check out some of the newer libraries. AOE is still
>>  pretty good, but I think most people who are into this stuff would
>>  agree that the technology has advanced by leaps and bounds since then.

From: topfloormix@...

>You surprise me! this title as been out for a month! I am not talking about
>the old one, I am referring to the latest EXS24 version please check this link
>out below:
>http://www.soundsonline.com/sophtml/details.phtml?sku=BS-382 (copy&paste),
>then tell me if you are talking about the same title?  AFAIK it is one the
>very few Orchestral EXS24 native format around (not plugin, ie; kompakt).

I didn't know about the new reworking, so maybe it is better - 
although I'd be surprised if reprogramming it would make it better 
than Garritan Personal Orchestra or EWQLSO Platinum (neither EXS). If 
EXS is the only choice, then maybe that's the one - although I'd be 
more inclined to look at Sonic Implants strings (import the light 
version if on a budget; only the big version is in EXS format).


>I have been talking budget and efficiency, could you please name some Brass
>titles/bundles as cheap and complete and versatile as Project SAM or QLB?
>(I use both and they complete one an other).

No, they're a good choice.

>At last, I don think that most of the people who request advice here are able
>to spend around $1000 - $5000 on the VSL ... Do you?

I wrote:

>  > For me the choice under those circumstances [EXS only] would be 
>even easier: I'd
>  > go for the VSL Pro Edition!

Gino:

>Lucky you;-)

No question, I am lucky - and I don't take that for granted!
-- 
___
Nick Batzdorf
818/905-9101, fax -5434, cell 590-9101

On 21/03/2004, at 11:33 PM, exs-users@yahoogroups.com wrote:

> Gino, you might check out some of the newer libraries. AOE is still
> pretty good, but I think most people who are into this stuff would
> agree that the technology has advanced by leaps and bounds since then.
>
> Project SAM is pretty far ahead of AOE, for example, and for that
> matter the brass in East West Quantum Leap Symphony Orchestra (which
> is available as an individual section, although not for EXS) is ahead
> of QLB. QLB does have some good jazzy articulations, but it's also
> from the pre-Giga era (even though it's available in Giga format).
> -- 
>
> Nick Batzdorf
> 818/905-9101, cell 590-9101, fax 905-5434
>

Interesting to note that in the company I keep the AOE and Vitous 
libraries still reign supreme. Even though some run Giga on a separate 
machine with Garritan they still prefer the old library. Go figure.
Phil Buckle.

At 11:12 Uhr +1100 22.03.2004, phil buckle wrote:
>Interesting to note that in the company I keep the AOE and Vitous
>libraries still reign supreme. Even though some run Giga on a separate
>machine with Garritan they still prefer the old library. Go figure.
>Phil Buckle.

Anyone ever try crossfading with the Siedl.? Can't be done because 
the intonation between the piano and forte sounds is off for a lot of 
notes... Well... this library was produced (as someone so strikingly 
correct mentioned) in another area of sampling technique.

Cheers
Hans

--- In exs-users@yahoogroups.com, "Bodvar D. Moe" <bodvar@m...> wrote:
> Hi
> I´m new to the group and ESX24. You have probably been discussing
> this topic, but I´ll try 
> anyway.
> I would like to get your opionion for the best Orchestral sounds
> library.
> Thanks
> 
> BM


Here's a shameless plug for our stuff.  I will put our libraries against an=
ything in the 
industry.  AND they are all in native EXS format

http://www.dssoundware.com

Donnie Christian
DS Soundware

Thank you everybody for your kind advices. This is a great site!

bodvar

>--- In exs-users@yahoogroups.com, "Bodvar D. Moe" <bodvar@m...> wrote:
>  > I´m new to the group and ESX24. You have probably been discussing
>>  this topic, but I´ll try
>>  anyway.
>>  I would like to get your opionion for the best Orchestral sounds
>  > library.

Is anybody else as annoyed as me at people saying stuff like "this 
has probably been dealt with before, but I'm a newbie who can't be 
bothered to spend any time on trying to find an answer to my own 
question, I'm too lazy to search the web or archives, and thus I 
don't care about claiming _other_ people's time by posting what's 
probably the zillionth incarnation of the same question"?

Or is that just me?

HJ, having a particularly bad hair-day, and being somewhat fed-up 
with having to plough through 100+ messages a day (including the LUG, 
that is), mainly consisting of questions that have been asked & 
answered already somewhere in the past 2 weeks.

-- 
Hendrik Jan Veenstra   h @ k n o w a r e . n l
Omega Art: http://www.omega-art.com/

--- In exs-users@yahoogroups.com, Hendrik Jan Veenstra <h@k...> wrote:
> >--- In exs-users@yahoogroups.com, "Bodvar D. Moe" <bodvar@m...> wrote:
> >  > I´m new to the group and ESX24. You have probably been discussing
> >>  this topic, but I´ll try
> >>  anyway.
> >>  I would like to get your opionion for the best Orchestral sounds
> >  > library.
> 
> Is anybody else as annoyed as me at people saying stuff like "this 
> has probably been dealt with before, but I'm a newbie who can't be 
> bothered to spend any time on trying to find an answer to my own 
> question, I'm too lazy to search the web or archives, and thus I 
> don't care about claiming _other_ people's time by posting what's 
> probably the zillionth incarnation of the same question"?
>

OK

I quit the group

> Is anybody else as annoyed as me at people saying stuff like "this 
> has probably been dealt with before, but I'm a newbie who can't be 
> bothered to spend any time on trying to find an answer to my own 
> question, I'm too lazy to search the web or archives, and thus I 
> don't care about claiming _other_ people's time by posting what's 
> probably the zillionth incarnation of the same question"?
> 
> Or is that just me?

"As a parent, am I the only person who is sick of seeing my kid go 
through adolescence?  I mean, I've been through it myself and it's 
just incredibly tedious to have to watch someone else make the same 
mistakes I made".

Hendrik,

It's just you.

;-)

Well, no, I'm sure some others share your feelings, but... IMV, it's 
interesting to answer the same questions again, because other people, 
often new people, chip in with answers that we old fogeys might not 
have thought of. For eg, my reponse was, don't think twice, if you've 
got the dough, get VSL. But others came back with a library I thought 
was outdated and pricey, Adv. Orch (even Vitous!!!).

But I do agree that it's a good idea to remind people to use the search 
function at yahoogroups, and to visit forums like northernsounds (where 
there's also a search archive function): http://www.northernsounds.com

Ned


On 04-03-22, at 04:07, Hendrik Jan Veenstra wrote:
>
>  Is anybody else as annoyed as me at people saying stuff like "this
>  has probably been dealt with before...

>  Or is that just me?




http://www.nedfx.com

    Ned Bouhalassa

n e d @ n e d f x . c o m


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At least you _have_ hair!

=:-)

Ned

On 04-03-22, at 04:07, Hendrik Jan Veenstra wrote:
>  HJ, having a particularly bad hair-day


> http://www.nedfx.com

    Ned Bouhalassa

n e d @ n e d f x . c o m


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>Is anybody else as annoyed as me at people saying stuff like "this 
>has probably been dealt with before, but I'm a newbie who can't be 
>bothered to spend any time on trying to find an answer to my own 
>question, I'm too lazy to search the web or archives, and thus I 
>don't care about claiming _other_ people's time by posting what's 
>probably the zillionth incarnation of the same question"?
>

I understand the frustration, but I am agnostic on this one.  Certainly 
there are times when it seems that nobody looks at the archives at all.  
On the other hand, the archives are not laid out like a textbook with 
clean chapter headings and an index.  A search on key words can return 
hundreds of posts.  And sometimes the Yahoo search engine doesn't work 
at all.  Also, the subjects headings often don't say anything about the 
thread whatsoever (e.g., the subject of this thread is "orchestral sounds").

Kind regards,
Dave

On a fine day, 22-03-2004, Bodvar D. Moe wrote:

>--- In exs-users@yahoogroups.com, Hendrik Jan Veenstra <h@k...> wrote:
>>  >--- In exs-users@yahoogroups.com, "Bodvar D. Moe" <bodvar@m...> wrote:
>>  >  > I´m new to the group and ESX24. You have probably been discussing
>>  >>  this topic, but I´ll try
>>  >>  anyway.
>>  >>  I would like to get your opionion for the best Orchestral sounds
>>  >  > library.
>>
>>  Is anybody else as annoyed as me at people saying stuff like "this
>>  has probably been dealt with before, but I'm a newbie who can't be
>>  bothered to spend any time on trying to find an answer to my own
>>  question, I'm too lazy to search the web or archives, and thus I
>>  don't care about claiming _other_ people's time by posting what's
>  > probably the zillionth incarnation of the same question"?
>
>OK
>
>I quit the group

If this is supposed to make me feel bad: it doesn't.  If just one 
annoyed message from one individual can make someone quit a very 
informative and (usually :) very friendly group, then apparently that 
someone doesn't need the help he's asking for all _that_ bad... 
Either that, or this person isn't mature enough to participate in any 
kind of adult discussion, including the occasional slap on the wrist.

And Ned: yes, I agree that an answer to the same question can be 
revealing at times, because "reality" might have changed without us 
noticing it.  That's not what I objected to though.  I objected to 
the attitude of "you probably discussed it yesterday, but I can't be 
bothered to look that up so I'll just ask again".  That has nothing 
to do with changing realities and everything with laziness.

And yes, I _do_ have hair, and it's still a bad hair-day :-).

-- 
Hendrik Jan Veenstra   h @ k n o w a r e . n l
Omega Art: http://www.omega-art.com/

On Mar 22, 2004, at 9:24 AM, Hendrik Jan Veenstra wrote:
>  If this is supposed to make me feel bad: it doesn't.  If just one
>  annoyed message from one individual can make someone quit a very
>  informative and (usually :) very friendly group, then apparently that
>  someone doesn't need the help he's asking for all _that_ bad...
>  Either that, or this person isn't mature enough to participate in any
>  kind of adult discussion, including the occasional slap on the wrist.

Hendrik,

That's a very judgmental attitude to take.  If the individual left the 
group because he was mortified at your rather peevish post, then you 
should take responsibility for your action.  Instead, you have 
extrapolated several negative reasons for the person leaving which - 
given that you have no idea what others are actually experiencing - are 
probably wrong.   Unless, of course, you are a mind-reader.

A little tolerance can go a long way.  If you are a decent person, 
you'll email that fellow personally and try to get him to return.  At 
the same time, you could politely set him straight on issues of 
netiquette.

Rob Yale
Yale Music
Composition and Production


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HJV wrote: 

>
> >OK
> >
> >I quit the group
>
> If this is supposed to make me feel bad: it doesn't.  If just one 
> annoyed message from one individual can make someone quit a very 
> informative and (usually :) very friendly group, then apparently that 
> someone doesn't need the help he's asking for all _that_ bad... 
> Either that, or this person isn't mature enough to participate in any 
> kind of adult discussion, including the occasional slap on the wrist.



HJ my good man. 

I am getting a little bit pissed off here. I couldn't give a rats fundament if
you think you had to wade through a whole lot of emails not relevant to you.
The above is a quote from your second email in an hour or so not relevant to
anybody here. 

Mate - have a look up in the sky tonight - somewhere out there is a planet
where the people who care live.  Take out your flashlight and send them a
message in morse code about the agonies of compulsory email reading. 

Seriously, if you are too old and wise to want to put up with this sort of
question then I would expect you to be wise enough to be above flaming the
newbies.

Murray

> If this is supposed to make me feel bad: it doesn't.  If just one
> annoyed message from one individual can make someone quit a very
> informative and (usually :) very friendly group, then apparently that
> someone doesn't need the help he's asking for all _that_ bad...
> Either that, or this person isn't mature enough to participate in any
> kind of adult discussion, including the occasional slap on the wrist.

Could you please explain the original poster's misdemeanour, except to post
a completely on-topic question, which a fair number of people seemed very
happy to respond to and debate?  It is not possible for every post to cover
a subject that hasn't been discussed before.  You may have read or written
on the subject countless times, but a first time (and in this case, last
time poster) will not necessarily be aware of that.  If you don't feel like
imparting your knowledge, then don't bother to reply to the question.

Paul




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--- In exs-users@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Zimmer" <paul@z...> wrote:
> > If this is supposed to make me feel bad: it doesn't. 

I have tried to use the search function on this forum several times in
the past with mixed success. And I think the best way to deal with a
new member that asks a FAQ is to get no (or a polite negative)
response. He pretty soon realizes why. I'd like to think this new
member in 6 months could answer a difficult question for me. We need
new posters and HJ's knowledge.

I wrote:

>  > Gino, you might check out some of the newer libraries. AOE is still
>>  pretty good, but I think most people who are into this stuff would
>>  agree that the technology has advanced by leaps and bounds since then.
>>
>>  Project SAM is pretty far ahead of AOE, for example, and for that
>>  matter the brass in East West Quantum Leap Symphony Orchestra (which
>>  is available as an individual section, although not for EXS) is ahead
>>  of QLB. QLB does have some good jazzy articulations, but it's also
>  > from the pre-Giga era (even though it's available in Giga format).

From: phil buckle <pbuckle1@...>

>Interesting to note that in the company I keep the AOE and Vitous
>libraries still reign supreme. Even though some run Giga on a separate
>machine with Garritan they still prefer the old library. Go figure.

Garritan Strings has a lot of articulations and some clever things 
going on to make much more expressive performances than you can make 
with old libs, but it has a recording quality that you'll either like 
or not like. Or maybe you're talking about GOP, which is a very 
inexpensive library.

Most libs have something good in them. Vitous has some really nice 
woodwinds, for example - but taken as a whole, there's simply no 
comparison to EWQLSO or VSL. Or Sonic Implants Symphonic Strings and 
Project SAM, for that matter. Not even close.

Seriously, if you hear some of the VSL and EWQLSO demos, what I'm 
saying will be obvious in five seconds. This is way beyond my 
subjective opinion, it's night and day.

-- 

Nick Batzdorf
818/905-9101, cell 590-9101, fax 905-5434

By the way, I really should qualify my basis for comparison.

I know EQLSO and VSL very well (I reviewed them for Mix magazine), 
I've worked with Vitous, and I've checked out Sonic Implants 
Symphonic Strings, SAM Horns and Trombones), AO (but not the new 
version), Quantum Leap Brass, plus I have some older Giga libs (from 
when I was at Recording magazine): Sonic Implants Drums Series One 
(which is stunning), Nashville High-Strung Guitars, Garritan 
Gigaharp, Larry Seger Acoustic Bass, Dan Dean Solo Strings...

Oh, and I have Post Bosendorfer Grandioso, Art Vista Cool Vibes...and 
who knows what I'm forgetting - along with some older Kurzweil, 
SampleCell, and Akai stuff. Spectrasonics Bass Legends.

Point being that I don't know Donny's libs, Garritan Personal 
Orchestra, AOE...and I certainly didn't intend to dis them or 
anything else by omission.
-- 

Nick Batzdorf
818/905-9101, cell 590-9101, fax 905-5434

> --- In exs-users@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Zimmer" <paul@z...> wrote:
> > > If this is supposed to make me feel bad: it doesn't.
>
> I have tried to use the search function on this forum several times in
> the past with mixed success. And I think the best way to deal with a
> new member that asks a FAQ is to get no (or a polite negative)
> response. He pretty soon realizes why. I'd like to think this new
> member in 6 months could answer a difficult question for me. We need
> new posters and HJ's knowledge.

Sam, could I make it clear that I did not write the quote you attributed to
me above - those were Hendrik Jan Veenstra's words.
Thanks,

Paul

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--- In exs-users@yahoogroups.com, Hendrik Jan Veenstra <h@k...> wrote:
> Is anybody else as annoyed as me at people saying stuff like "this 
> has probably been dealt with before, but I'm a newbie who can't be 
> bothered to spend any time on trying to find an answer to my own 
> question, I'm too lazy to search the web or archives, and thus I 
> don't care about claiming _other_ people's time by posting what's 
> probably the zillionth incarnation of the same question"?

Hendrik,

I prefaced my question about multi-channel outputs similarly, but I also said that I 
had searched the archives before posting. My question was less about how to set up 
multi-channel instruments (which the archives answered) and more about why it still 
wasn't working after correctly setting one up. I hoped my subject line was clear 
enough.

Anyway, you're a great resource of answers and information to this group (which is 
why I don't post often - don't need to, thanks to you), and I assume that your feeling 
this way is why you didn't answer my question. I'm sorry you feel this way and I can't 
say I even disagree, but unless newbies and new users are prevented from joining, it's 
just going to happen.

Respectfully,
Arch

Paul Zimmer wrote:

> > --- In exs-users@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Zimmer" <paul@z...> wrote:
> > > > If this is supposed to make me feel bad: it doesn't.
> >
> > I have tried to use the search function on this forum several times in
> > the past with mixed success. And I think the best way to deal with a
> > new member that asks a FAQ is to get no (or a polite negative)
> > response. He pretty soon realizes why. I'd like to think this new
> > member in 6 months could answer a difficult question for me. We need
> > new posters and HJ's knowledge.
>
> Sam, could I make it clear that I did not write the quote you 
> attributed to
> me above - those were Hendrik Jan Veenstra's words.
> Thanks,
>
> Paul

Paul:  Sorry, I made a careless cut in the quotes....

On a fine day, 22-03-2004, geetar67 wrote:

>Hendrik,
>
>I prefaced my question about multi-channel outputs similarly, but I 
>also said that I had searched the archives before posting.

Which imo is perfect practice (if my opinion matters at all).

>My question was less about how to set up multi-channel instruments 
>(which the archives answered) and more about why it still wasn't 
>working after correctly setting one up. I hoped my subject line was 
>clear enough.
>
>Anyway, you're a great resource of answers and information to this 
>group (which is why I don't post often - don't need to, thanks to 
>you), and I assume that your feeling this way is why you didn't 
>answer my question.

No, not at all.  Either I was too busy, or I didn't know the answer, 
or someone else already posted a reply.  Those are the 3 main 
reasons, as far as I'm concerned, for not posting an answer to a 
question.  I must say I can't really remember your exact problem so 
I'm not sure which of the 3 applied, but I'm certain it had nothing 
to do with any kind of negative feelings.

-- 
Hendrik Jan Veenstra   h @ k n o w a r e . n l
Omega Art: http://www.omega-art.com/

On a fine day, 23-03-2004, Murray McDowall wrote:

>HJV wrote:
>
>  > >OK
>>  >
>>  >I quit the group
>>
>>  If this is supposed to make me feel bad: it doesn't.  If just one
>>  annoyed message from one individual can make someone quit a very
>>  informative and (usually :) very friendly group, then apparently that
>>  someone doesn't need the help he's asking for all _that_ bad...
>>  Either that, or this person isn't mature enough to participate in any
>  > kind of adult discussion, including the occasional slap on the wrist.
>
>HJ my good man.
>
>I am getting a little bit pissed off here. I couldn't give a rats fundament if
>you think you had to wade through a whole lot of emails not relevant to you.
>The above is a quote from your second email in an hour or so not relevant to
>anybody here.

Point taken.  Thanks Murray -- you're right (as are some others who 
followed up - you know who you are).  As I wrote: I _did_ have a 
particularly bad hair-day, and should have know better.  On days like 
that you'd probably better refrain from reading (or at least writing) 
mail at all, and I should have known that.  But, you know, I'm just 
human, and sometimes there are those days...  I suppose we all know 
them, don't we?
Still I stand by the essence of the original point I tried to make: I 
think it's rude to exhibit a certain kind of laziness and disrespect 
for other people's time.  Should probably have phrased it differently 
though...

Oh, heck, I'll send the "offended" guy a private msg, as Rob suggested...

-- 
Hendrik Jan Veenstra   h @ k n o w a r e . n l
Omega Art: http://www.omega-art.com/

On a fine day, 22-03-2004, Paul Zimmer wrote:

>Could you please explain the original poster's misdemeanour, except to post
>a completely on-topic question, which a fair number of people seemed very
>happy to respond to and debate?

As I explained before, what I objected to was not the question 
itself, but the explicit underlying attitude: "you probably have 
recently discussed this question but I'll ask anyway".
I know I didn't come across too friendly, and I apologized for that 
already (see prev. msg).  I should probably have phrased my 
objections differently.  Choosing other (i.e. more friendly) words 
doesn't change my objections to this kind of attitude though.
And yes, I know yahoo-search is not all that, but then someone could 
have said something like "I tried searching the archives but didn't 
find anything, so...".

Oh well, I'd better go back to hitting the delete-key I suppose...

And maybe we'd better give this a rest -- it's taking up way too much 
msgs already, and I suppose 99% of the population isn't interested at 
all...
-- 
Hendrik Jan Veenstra   h @ k n o w a r e . n l
Omega Art: http://www.omega-art.com/

> As I wrote: I _did_ have a 
> particularly bad hair-day, and should have know better.  On days like 
> that you'd probably better refrain from reading (or at least writing) 
> mail at all, and I should have known that.  But, you know, I'm just 
> human, and sometimes there are those days...  I suppose we all know 
> them, don't we?

Fair enough Hendrik - everyone has a bad day.

Paul


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On 23/03/2004, at 6:51 PM, exs-users@yahoogroups.com wrote:

> I wrote:
>
>>> Gino, you might check out some of the newer libraries. AOE is still
>>>  pretty good, but I think most people who are into this stuff would
>>>  agree that the technology has advanced by leaps and bounds since 
>>> then.
>>>
>>>  Project SAM is pretty far ahead of AOE, for example, and for that
>>>  matter the brass in East West Quantum Leap Symphony Orchestra (which
>>>  is available as an individual section, although not for EXS) is 
>>> ahead
>>>  of QLB. QLB does have some good jazzy articulations, but it's also
>>> from the pre-Giga era (even though it's available in Giga format).
>
>
> From: phil buckle <pbuckle1@...>
>
>> Interesting to note that in the company I keep the AOE and Vitous
>> libraries still reign supreme. Even though some run Giga on a separate
>> machine with Garritan they still prefer the old library. Go figure.
>
> Garritan Strings has a lot of articulations and some clever things
> going on to make much more expressive performances than you can make
> with old libs, but it has a recording quality that you'll either like
> or not like. Or maybe you're talking about GOP, which is a very
> inexpensive library.
>
> Most libs have something good in them. Vitous has some really nice
> woodwinds, for example - but taken as a whole, there's simply no
> comparison to EWQLSO or VSL. Or Sonic Implants Symphonic Strings and
> Project SAM, for that matter. Not even close.
>
> Seriously, if you hear some of the VSL and EWQLSO demos, what I'm
> saying will be obvious in five seconds. This is way beyond my
> subjective opinion, it's night and day.
>
> -- 
>
> Nick Batzdorf
> 818/905-9101, cell 590-9101, fax 905-5434
>
>
>
Hi Nick, I have no doubt that the newer libraries are better at just 
about everything. Some of these libraries are very expensive and while 
I believe they are worth every penny I also think the potential buyer 
should be aware that buying a Ferrari is pointless if you only know how 
to ride a motorbike.
I think the original post to which I responded was suggesting some not 
quite top shelf libraries. I've heard very good work done with AOE and 
good old Vitous.
As we all know it's not just the tools that gets the job done 
satisfactorily.
For example it would be pointless for me to invest in VSL. It's not my 
area.........but every now and then I need the odd string line or solo 
Cello.
What library would you recommend for this situation?
Phil Buckle.

>  If this is supposed to make me feel bad: it doesn't. If just one
>  annoyed message from one individual can make someone quit a very
>  informative and (usually :) very friendly group, then apparently that
>  someone doesn't need the help he's asking for all _that_ bad...
>  Either that, or this person isn't mature enough to participate in any
>  kind of adult discussion, including the occasional slap on the wrist.

Hendrik

Take care of anybody the beginner and the end user,s

Hendrikus Godvliet The Netherlands

Hi Hendrik,

This is a good group with a friendly vibe. Lets put this behind us. I ought
perhaps to have expressed my concerns more carefully. 

I think as another poster has just said that we should all be at pains to
welcome and assist new and inexperienced users. Who needs a group like this
more than they do? I don't think anyone's use of this group should be
privileged over anyone else's. 

Regards,
Murray

> This is a good group with a friendly vibe. Lets put this behind us. I ought
> perhaps to have expressed my concerns more carefully. 
> 
> I think as another poster has just said that we should all be at pains to
> welcome and assist new and inexperienced users. Who needs a group like this
> more than they do? I don't think anyone's use of this group should be
> privileged over anyone else's. 
> 
> Regards,
> Murray

Thanks all for your respons to the topic, I hoped it helped others to. 

bodvar
who didnt quit the group, but learned to think twice before prosting a question.

> This is a good group with a friendly vibe. Lets put this behind us. I ought
> perhaps to have expressed my concerns more carefully.
> 
> I think as another poster has just said that we should all be at pains to
> welcome and assist new and inexperienced users. Who needs a group like this
> more than they do? I don't think anyone's use of this group should be
> privileged over anyone else's.
> 
> Regards,
> Murray

>Thanks all for your respons to the topic, I hoped it helped others to.

>bodvar
>who didnt quit the group, but learned to think twice before prosting a
question.


 Haa!!
 Another happy end!!!

La la la la la (hands on ears).

Can't we just talk about me instead? I find it a much more interesting subject.
-- 

Nick Batzdorf
818/905-9101, cell 590-9101, fax 905-5434

From: phil buckle <pbuckle1@...>

>Hi Nick, I have no doubt that the newer libraries are better at just
>about everything. Some of these libraries are very expensive and while
>I believe they are worth every penny I also think the potential buyer
>should be aware that buying a Ferrari is pointless if you only know how
>to ride a motorbike.

No question, although GOS and EWQLSO Silver are both under $300 - 
which is a heck of a deal.

>I think the original post to which I responded was suggesting some not
>quite top shelf libraries. I've heard very good work done with AOE and
>good old Vitous.
>As we all know it's not just the tools that gets the job done
>satisfactorily.

Ja, ja. Sie haben Rechts.

>For example it would be pointless for me to invest in VSL. It's not my
>area.........but every now and then I need the odd string line or solo
>Cello.
>What library would you recommend for this situation?

Other than the above, I think Sonic Implants sells individual 
instruments from their website, or you could look at either their or 
Garritan's light versions.
-- 

Nick Batzdorf
818/905-9101, cell 590-9101, fax 905-5434