EXS 24 Logic Sampler Users Group

I'm very pleased to announce the second product to be released by 
Redmatica: AutoSampler

Designed to be a creative tool for bridging the gap between high 
quality hardware synths and the virtual studio world, AutoSampler is a 
standalone software dedicated to the automatic advanced sampling of 
midi instruments. Through use of a suited host program as Logic, it's 
also possible to sample virtual instruments.

At the end of this process, ready-to-play Exs24 instruments (and 
relative samples) are automatically created.

Main features:

- Multisample multivelocity sampling of midi synth patches in an 
automated unattended way from any coreaudio audio device. You can set 
the number of velocity levels to be sampled, the key range and the key 
step to use for sampling (every 1 semitone, every 2 semitones, etc....)

- Multidimensional sampling: you can define up to 2 parameters 
controlled by midi cc in the midi synth, to be sampled (for example, 
cutoff and lfo modulation). For each combination of values of these 
parameters, a full multisample keymap is sampled. On playback of the 
generated Exs instrument ,   the user can define up to 2 controllers 
for navigating from his masterkeyboard in realtime between these 
keymaps, and play back the corresponding sampled sound set...

- Generates ready-to-play Exs24 instruments. No user action is required.

- Midi layer sampling mode: you can multisample a sound generated by 
mixing multiple synths. Each voice has a user definable midi 
volume/expression graphic envelope for compositing the final sound. 
Useful for creatively designing new sounds.

- Automatic sampling with specific normalization modes, limiter, 
truncation, audio overload protection, release time detection, custom 
velocity maps

- Can sample whole banks of synth patches

- Imports patch names from SoundDiver (or from normal text files)

- Integrated virtual keyboard and bidimensional virtual controller pad

- Comprehensive log file generation with embedded graphical snapshots 
of each sample

- Standalone software for OSX 10.2.6 or later

AutoSampler will be available for purchase from the Redmatica online 
shop in May 2004. Price is to be announced

Andrea,

A question for you about AutoSampler.

How will it handle patches with no decay, like leads? Will it truncate at a 
user defined time, or will it try to detect a possible loop point?

Will it do looping and crossfading for decadent patches like pianos? That 
would be killer, because, without it, you could probably fill up a 120Gig 
hard drive with one or two synths.

For example: A stereo piano sample with a 10 second decay generates a 1.5 
megabyte sample. Three velocity layers is 4.5MB. Sample every key (88) and 
you end up with nearly 400MB of samples! Sample every third key, and its 
down to 132MB, which is still huge. For a synth patch that probably takes 
1-2MB in the synth's memory.

So let's say we average out to about 50MB per patch. Of course some will be 
much bigger (like drumsets, and .... pianos), but others will be smaller 
(like synth leads, etc,). That means, in order for me to sample my Yamaha 
MOTIF Rack's entire set of 896 patches, I would need to allocate around 44GB 
of memory...

With crossfade looping, you could probably get it down under 10-20MB or so 
per patch. Still, even without looping its an excellent idea, and I'll be 
first in line!!!

Group buy in the plans? (I swear, every time I try to get my finances 
straightened out.....) Existing and very happy EXS Manager customer, btw!

Mark

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On Mar 31, 2004, at 10:52 PM, Mark Jones wrote:

> Andrea,
>
> A question for you about AutoSampler.
>
> How will it handle patches with no decay, like leads? Will it truncate 
> at a
> user defined time, or will it try to detect a possible loop point?

Hi Mark,
no looping is done on the sampled waveforms, and there is a very strong 
reason for this which will be evident at the proper time.
You can specify the length of the sustain phase of the sampled note. 
The sound is then still sampled until it decays back to silence.
You can also specify as an option if you want to keep all the tail, or 
cut it at a certain volume level.

>
> Will it do looping and crossfading for decadent patches like pianos? 
> That
> would be killer, because, without it, you could probably fill up a 
> 120Gig
> hard drive with one or two synths.
> For example: A stereo piano sample with a 10 second decay generates a 
> 1.5
> megabyte sample. Three velocity layers is 4.5MB. Sample every key (88) 
> and
> you end up with nearly 400MB of samples! Sample every third key, and 
> its
> down to 132MB, which is still huge. For a synth patch that probably 
> takes
> 1-2MB in the synth's memory.

The 1-2 MB are the raw samples, for sure not a whole new set for each 
key, and for sure not the processed complete stereo sound.
Our tests show that you can obtain convincing instruments with 
reasonably sized sets. For many situations, the sample set is much 
smaller
With this method you will never obtain the storage efficiency of the 
real synth(s), but that's not the point AutoSampler is about.


>
> So let's say we average out to about 50MB per patch. Of course some 
> will be
> much bigger (like drumsets, and .... pianos), but others will be 
> smaller
> (like synth leads, etc,). That means, in order for me to sample my 
> Yamaha
> MOTIF Rack's entire set of 896 patches, I would need to allocate 
> around 44GB
> of memory...

I'm not sure it's legal to sample straight patches out of your motif 
rack. The point is to create new high quality sounds for Exs24 in a 
quick, simple way. The hypothetical 44GB for the around 900 high 
quality sounds you are talking about, would be 44GB of disk space, 
certainly not of ram memory.

>
> With crossfade looping, you could probably get it down under 10-20MB 
> or so
> per patch. Still, even without looping its an excellent idea, and I'll 
> be
> first in line!!!

There will be some downloadable demo instruments next week,  for 
everyone to evaluate the results, as soon as i come back from 
musikmesse.
The full manual will also be available as a free download, after 
release.

>  Existing and very happy EXS Manager customer, btw!

Always glad to hear this Mark.
Thank you for your interest in AutoSampler

Andrea at Redmatica

Hi!
Just a question from a new user of EXS.
I know that is possible to load a sample in each channels in the exs.
But is it possible to change the sound/sample/channel from a note to
another?. If i want to play in the same track the first two notes with a
violin pizzicato and the others with a violin short?
How can i do without duplicate the track and using two different audio
instruments?

Sorry for my english and thanks for your answers

--- In exs-users@yahoogroups.com, Gipo <gipo@a...> wrote:
> Hi!
> Just a question from a new user of EXS.
> I know that is possible to load a sample in each channels in the
exs.
> But is it possible to change the sound/sample/channel from a note to
> another?. If i want to play in the same track the first two notes
with a
> violin pizzicato and the others with a violin short?
> How can i do without duplicate the track and using two different
audio
> instruments?
> 
> Sorry for my english and thanks for your answers

If you have a library such as Garritan Orchestral Strings or VSL you
have instruments 
which load different types of samples and then use Key Switching to
change the style 
of playing by making use of those varied samples. Key Switching means
you hit a key 
outside the normal range of the instrument and this triggers the
instrument to use 
the different type of sample. In the Instrument editor you will find
that different 
"Groups" will make use of settings such as select by NOTE C#.
Confusion can arise if 
you are trying to edit an instrument and you cannot see a parameter
you wish to edit. 
You would then need to go to the view menu of an instrument and make
sure that 
your required parameter's visibility is turned on. If it is ticked it
is visble if it is not you 
can't see it. To make it visible when it is not you just scroll to
the required item and 
release the mouse.

Stuart Warren
Sandpiper Music
UK

I use Miroslav Vitous Samples...
Is possible what you say with it?
thansk

From: "sandpipergos" <yahoo@...>
Reply-To: exs-users@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thu, 01 Apr 2004 08:10:59 -0000
To: exs-users@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [EXS] Re: QUestion froma a new comer


--- In exs-users@yahoogroups.com, Gipo <gipo@a...> wrote:
> Hi!
> Just a question from a new user of EXS.
> I know that is possible to load a sample in each channels in the
exs.
> But is it possible to change the sound/sample/channel from a note to
> another?. If i want to play in the same track the first two notes
with a
> violin pizzicato and the others with a violin short?
> How can i do without duplicate the track and using two different
audio
> instruments?
> 
> Sorry for my english and thanks for your answers

If you have a library such as Garritan Orchestral Strings or VSL you
have instruments 
which load different types of samples and then use Key Switching to
change the style 
of playing by making use of those varied samples. Key Switching means
you hit a key 
outside the normal range of the instrument and this triggers the
instrument to use 
the different type of sample. In the Instrument editor you will find
that different 
"Groups" will make use of settings such as select by NOTE C#.
Confusion can arise if
you are trying to edit an instrument and you cannot see a parameter
you wish to edit. 
You would then need to go to the view menu of an instrument and make
sure that 
your required parameter's visibility is turned on. If it is ticked it
is visble if it is not you
can't see it. To make it visible when it is not you just scroll to
the required item and
release the mouse.

Stuart Warren
Sandpiper Music
UK



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On 4/1/04 9:34 AM, "Gipo" <gipo@...> wrote:

> I know that is possible to load a sample in each channels in the exs.
> But is it possible to change the sound/sample/channel from a note to
> another?. If i want to play in the same track the first two notes with a
> violin pizzicato and the others with a violin short?
> How can i do without duplicate the track and using two different audio
> instruments?

You should be able to do this with The Logic Environment ;o)

Have fun ;o)

Best 
 
Cyril Blanc

--- In exs-users@yahoogroups.com, Gipo <gipo@a...> wrote:
> I use Miroslav Vitous Samples...
> Is possible what you say with it?
> thansk


Details about Garritan Key Switching cut.

I don't know that library. Perhaps someone else can comment.

Stuart Warren
Sandpiper Music
Cumbria UK

> > So let's say we average out to about 50MB per patch. Of course 
some 
> > will be
> > much bigger (like drumsets, and .... pianos), but others will be 
> > smaller
> > (like synth leads, etc,). That means, in order for me to sample 
my 
> > Yamaha
> > MOTIF Rack's entire set of 896 patches, I would need to allocate 
> > around 44GB
> > of memory...
> 
> I'm not sure it's legal to sample straight patches out of your 
motif 
> rack. The point is to create new high quality sounds for Exs24 in 
a 
> quick, simple way. The hypothetical 44GB for the around 900 high 
> quality sounds you are talking about, would be 44GB of disk space, 
> certainly not of ram memory.
> 

I'm sorry, I meant storage. Which is, in effect, long term memory 
(cracks wry smile). Whatever the intent is, some will use it to 
sample their synth's entire memory, with the intent of selling the 
synth afterwards. I wouldn't sell my MOTIF, but my JV-1000 (and the 
five patches I still like within it) is a definite candidate.

Its perfectly legal to sample every single sound in my synth. What's 
illegal is distributing those samples, either commercially or for 
free.

There was a detailed discussion over at kvr-vst.com regarding that 
exact issue. Apparently, people were wondering about the legality of 
Romplers like Atmosphere, which are based on samples of other sample-
based synths. Eric Persing of Spectrasonics, and formerly Roland, 
said that sampling factory supplied patches or third party 
commercial patches from a sample-based synth with the intent of 
distribution is copyright infringement, and therefore illegal. 
However, sampling one's original patches for distribution is 
perfectly legal, and this is the ground upon which Atmosphere, and 
others, stand. 

I'll admit , there's plenty of grey area there, like issues 
regarding sampling a non sample-based synth, etc... but in this 
industry, the term personal use gives a lot of leeway.

Anyway, I'm first in line for AutoSampler, but if it could set loop 
points, it would be a God send!!! Maybe Version 2? 

Mark

what a help!
thanks


You should be able to do this with The Logic Environment ;o)

Have fun ;o)

Best 

Cyril Blanc


> I know that is possible to load a sample in each channels in the exs.
> But is it possible to change the sound/sample/channel from a note to
> another?. If i want to play in the same track the first two notes with a
> violin pizzicato and the others with a violin short?
> How can i do without duplicate the track and using two different audio
> instruments?




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