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EXS-GigiStudio-Mach5???

EXS-GigiStudio-Mach5???

2004-08-01 by phillymaestro

I'd appreciate opinions from any 1 out there who can tell me there opinion as to what 
virtual sampler works best with Logic 6.3.3, MacG5, OS 10.3.4, 1GB Ram.

Is it GigiStudio? Mach 5? Reasons? EXS?

I'm about to purchase the Vienna Symphonic Library (the Full top of the line pacakge) and 
I'd like to know which of the above virtual samples will let me record & playback a full 
symphony orchestra.  I'm sure I'm gonna need to buy like a ton of more ram for starters 
but other than that which is the best virtual sampler that is reliable, will allow me to play 
back a full symphony score, rarely crashes and intergrates best with my setup.

Thanks for every1 advise in advance!!!  

Maestro
Composer-Songwriter-Producer
ASCAP

Re: [EXS] EXS-GigiStudio-Mach5???

2004-08-01 by mark connelly

Hello phillymaestro,

If your name represents Philadelphia I am from this
area too!

OK your question? I use the VSL PRO and I absolutely
love it. I currently have it in EXS24 MKII in a G5
with 4 gigabytes up front, and it works fine however,
let me explain.

I had an issue with Kips Bosendorfer Imperial Grand
290 in the EXS where I ran out of voices pretty quick,
with classical piano crisscrossing the the 88 key deck
this was almost expected. There was no multiple
triggering that was apparent, just the legitimate use
of all of the voices.

Kip recommended the use of Native Instruments Kompakt
to use with the piano. This now allows me 256 voices
available for the piano. This may be your answer
depending how you record your orchestra parts.

I try to layer as many single samples together as I
can to keep the realism of the orchestra, but have
found this does not always accomplish the task. With
over 240 gigs of samples, I have found that multiple
instrument tricks can be employed to achieve the same
result, and actually work better.

I have heard a rumor that the voice number may
increase from 64 to 128 in the EXS with the release of
7, but it is a Rumor.

If your intent is to fully recreate the orchestra one
instrument at a time a sampler with more voices will
need to be implemented. After you play with the VSL
for a while you may find, as I have, that the EXS is
more than functional. The real secret to the sounds
are in the mix and processing! Good Luck with your
project.

Maxx

RE: [EXS] EXS-GigiStudio-Mach5???

2004-08-02 by Pezcuelloelith@netscape.net

"phillymaestro" <phillyMaestro@...> wrote:

>I'd appreciate opinions from any 1 out there who can tell me there opinion as to what 
>virtual sampler works best with Logic 6.3.3, MacG5, OS 10.3.4, 1GB Ram.
>
>Is it GigiStudio? Mach 5? Reasons? EXS?



Of course EXS 24 II.  I\ufffdll recommend you to buy a cheap Pc and Gigastudio, Use it  as an external module. You must find great libraries for Giga...

-- 
Pepe Ortega
Estudios Elith
Mexico.

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Re: [EXS] EXS-GigiStudio-Mach5???

2004-08-03 by zikayan

Hi Philly,
As a potential buyer of the vsl too, I spent some time to understand 
this library, and wich configuration was needed for a symphonic 
"real-time" use : sorry, it's loud !

First, note that Gigastudio runs only under PC. And to achieve with 
"midi real time" the realism that you can hear in some demos, the only 
way seems to have a few Gigastudios on 2 or 3 PCs. Have a look on the 
vienna forums, some topics are about the "dreaming configuration" for 
vsl.

Second, you must understand the vsl "philosophy" : it's arround 
"articulations", which are the different kind of play for each section. 
For an instance, for the complete violin section of the Pro Edition, 
you 'll have to load about 15 instruments. Even with streaming 
technology, as you said you'll need a lot of ram, and a lot of midi 
channels or virtual sampler instances.

Anyway if you want to work with your G5 only, the "only" choice at this 
time is exs24, if you want to use the performance tools provided with 
vsl. As I know Mach5 is not reliable at this time.

Considering you can load and play with good latency on your G5 about 50 
instances of the esx24, you won't have the complete vsl loaded. Anyway 
it should rocks (!), and the logic issue is to freeze the achieved 
parts, then import then as audio files, then load new instruments. It 
should be difficult if you're working for movies, when you have to make 
several changes untill the final editing.

My conclusion was given by the new vsl release of "Horizon Opus1", 
which is a simplified Pro Edition, wich seems to actually fit needs of 
single computer users. You'll save a large account of money, enough to 
buy a lot of ram, and it's still sound terrific...

Regards, and sorry for my approximative english ;-)
Yan

Re: EXS-GigiStudio-Mach5???

2004-08-03 by Nick Batzdorf

From: "phillymaestro" <phillyMaestro@...>

>I'd appreciate opinions from any 1 out there who can tell me there 
>opinion as to what
>virtual sampler works best with Logic 6.3.3, MacG5, OS 10.3.4, 1GB Ram.
>
>Is it GigiStudio? Mach 5? Reasons? EXS?

You already have EXS, and VSL comes in either Giga or EXS format. EXS 
and Giga both work really well, but you already have a G5 and EXS, 
and they'll go to waste if you don't use all the power.

>I'm about to purchase the Vienna Symphonic Library (the Full top of 
>the line pacakge) and
>I'd like to know which of the above virtual samples will let me 
>record & playback a full
>symphony orchestra.

Yes, but the question is how many articulations you can have loaded 
up and ready to play. It's not that you use every articulation in 
your template in every piece, it's that you want lots of them ready 
so you can find the right one for the phrase/notes you're going to 
play. There's nothing more annoying than having to stop all the time 
to load samples.

One G5 still isn't enough, but it's workable. Unfortunately, it's 
expensive to buy VSL for the second platform (Mac or PC), but ideally 
that's what you'd do: run it on EXS and then add cheap Giga PCs for 
expansion.

>   I'm sure I'm gonna need to buy like a ton of more ram for starters

4GB seems to be what most people are using with EXS/VSL.

>but other than that which is the best virtual sampler that is 
>reliable, will allow me to play
>back a full symphony score, rarely crashes and intergrates best with my setup.

Great as it is, Reason won't work for VSL. Different kind of animal. 
EXS works very well and is *only* integrated with your set-up - 
nothing else.
-- 

Nick Batzdorf
818/905-9101, cell 590-9101, fax 905-5434

Re: Re: EXS-GigiStudio-Mach5???

2004-08-04 by Nick Batzdorf

From: zikayan <zikayan@...>

>And to achieve with
>"midi real time" the realism that you can hear in some demos, the only
>way seems to have a few Gigastudios on 2 or 3 PCs. Have a look on the
>vienna forums, some topics are about the "dreaming configuration" for
>vsl.

Again, it's not so much that you need two or three machines to play 
the pieces in real time, it's that you want to have lots of programs 
loaded and ready to play. Otherwise you have to keep stopping and 
starting.

You'd be surprised at how much one machine can actually play.
-- 

Nick Batzdorf
818/905-9101, cell 590-9101, fax 905-5434

Re: [EXS] Re: Re: EXS-GigiStudio-Mach5???

2004-08-04 by Andy Hardwake

Hi,

While we are at it, could someone, please, point me to the busiest Giga 
forum/list/yahoogroup? Thanks.

Best,

Andy
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On Aug 4, 2004, at 8:29 AM, Nick Batzdorf wrote:

> From: zikayan <zikayan@...>
>
>> And to achieve with
>> "midi real time" the realism that you can hear in some demos, the only
>> way seems to have a few Gigastudios on 2 or 3 PCs. Have a look on the
>> vienna forums, some topics are about the "dreaming configuration" for
>> vsl.
>
> Again, it's not so much that you need two or three machines to play
> the pieces in real time, it's that you want to have lots of programs
> loaded and ready to play. Otherwise you have to keep stopping and
> starting.
>
> You'd be surprised at how much one machine can actually play.

RE: [EXS] Re: Re: EXS-GigiStudio-Mach5???

2004-08-04 by Herbert Boland

Andy Hardwake [mailto:digitalmechanics@...] 
>While we are at it, could someone, please, point me to the busiest Giga

>forum/list/yahoogroup? Thanks.


Giga and much more at
http://www.northernsounds.com/forum/index.php


Herbert
www.zepmusic.com  .:. Open Songwriters Community .:.

Re: Re: Re: Re: EXS-GigiStudio-Mach5???

2004-08-05 by Nick Batzdorf

From: Andy Hardwake <digitalmechanics@...>

>While we are at it, could someone, please, point me to the busiest Giga
>forum/list/yahoogroup? Thanks.

www.northernsounds.com

(My favorite part is the off-topic area, where I go to raise my blood 
pressure ;)  )
-- 

Nick Batzdorf
818/905-9101, cell 590-9101, fax 905-5434

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