EXS 24 Logic Sampler Users Group

mandcmiller wrote:
> Hey folks, As much as I like Logic's sample editing capabilities, it seems to lack the high
> resolution precision required for serious sample editing. My biggest problems seem to be
> looping and creating single cycle waveforms, because (tell me if I'm wrong) Logic's sample
> editor does not seem to be sample accurate.

It defenitely is sample accurate - switch on "samples" in the view options and zoom in, you can see a mark each 2 samples and you'll
also be able to select the samplepoint between those two.
But then, there's very little help in finding looppoints or navigating around - Logics sample editor is rather ancient. Let alone
you won't be able to save looppoints to a file (even if there is a function supposed to do so, IIRC), so all you can do is indeed
stripping out the raw loop without any attack phrases or so.
Oh, btw, you might have switched "search zero crossings" on. While this makes some sense on certain cuts and the likes, you may not
want it for small cycles.

> So, my question is: what sample editors out there would work best for more preicse trimming
> and looping?

If you were on PC I'd recommend WaveLab - it's unbeatable. Also there's Zero-X Seamless looper, another gem for anybody into
sampling.
No idea about the Mac side of things, sorry.

- Sascha

On 5 Oct 2005, at 20:40, Sascha Franck wrote:

> mandcmiller wrote:
>
>> Hey folks, As much as I like Logic's sample editing capabilities,  
>> it seems to lack the high
>> resolution precision required for serious sample editing. My  
>> biggest problems seem to be
>> looping and creating single cycle waveforms, because (tell me if  
>> I'm wrong) Logic's sample
>> editor does not seem to be sample accurate.
>>
> No idea about the Mac side of things, sorry.
>
> - Sascha

http://www.klingbeil.com/spear/

This application has some interesting capabilities.




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--- In exs-users@yahoogroups.com, "Sascha Franck" <S.Franck@g...> wrote:
> mandcmiller wrote:
> > Hey folks, As much as I like Logic's sample editing capabilities, it seems to lack the 
high
> > resolution precision required for serious sample editing. My biggest problems seem 
to be
> > looping and creating single cycle waveforms, because (tell me if I'm wrong) Logic's 
sample
> > editor does not seem to be sample accurate.
> 
> It defenitely is sample accurate - switch on "samples" in the view options and zoom in, 
you can see a mark each 2 samples and you'll
> also be able to select the samplepoint between those two.
> - Sascha

Hi Sascha, I see that the editor is in fact sample accurate. I guess the problem I'm 
experiencing is that a single sample often falls on both sides of the zero crossing making 
it very difficult to extract a single cycle waveform or loop. An example might be: striking a 
bell and then trying to grab a single wave cycle (post attack) for creating an ambient patch. 
I know DC Offset can cause zero-crossing problems, so I always make sure and deal with 
that before editin - either by processing the file through a Low Cut Filter or by using the 
algorithm in Logic's Sample Editor.

I think I will try a test and record a sinewave into logic, like the one generated by the EXS, 
and see if I can grab a single cylce without any glitches.

Thanks, Matt