EXS 24 Logic Sampler Users Group

I create a song with say drums, bass, keys. All using exs instruments. The
first one plays alright, but the following instances don't respond straight
away. IOW I press play and the first few notes of the bass and keys don't
sound. With audio I realise that reading from a hard disk can't happen
instantly and stopping the sequencer for a second seems to let Logic get
ready for instant playback. But the exs is a sampler and loads into RAM. But
it seems doesn't behave like a hardware sampler.

I think I saw this mentioned in a thread regarding playing multiple exs's
and/or touch tracks of multiple exs's.
What's the story?

I realise that but it makes life a little more difficult in many ways.
Editing, jump to markers and play/loop etc. The exs is RAM based so what is
the LOGIC behind this inadequacy.
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> From: "HELP@..." <HELP@...>
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> Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 13:06:20 -0400
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> Subject: Re: [exs] EXS late to respond?
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> Jump back one bar before you hit play. You'll hear everything.
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> From: roman pirie <romanp@...>
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> Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 04:17:38 +1200
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> Subject: [exs] EXS late to respond?
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> I create a song with say drums, bass, keys. All using exs instruments. The
> first one plays alright, but the following instances don't respond straight
> away. IOW I press play and the first few notes of the bass and keys don't
> sound. With audio I realise that reading from a hard disk can't happen
> instantly and stopping the sequencer for a second seems to let Logic get
> ready for instant playback. But the exs is a sampler and loads into RAM. But
> it seems doesn't behave like a hardware sampler.
> 
> I think I saw this mentioned in a thread regarding playing multiple exs's
> and/or touch tracks of multiple exs's.
> What's the story?
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Jump back one bar before you hit play. You'll hear everything.

From: roman pirie <romanp@...>
Reply-To: exs-users@yahoogroups.com
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 04:17:38 +1200
To: <exs-users@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [exs] EXS late to respond?


I create a song with say drums, bass, keys. All using exs instruments. The
first one plays alright, but the following instances don't respond straight
away. IOW I press play and the first few notes of the bass and keys don't
sound. With audio I realise that reading from a hard disk can't happen
instantly and stopping the sequencer for a second seems to let Logic get
ready for instant playback. But the exs is a sampler and loads into RAM. But
it seems doesn't behave like a hardware sampler.

I think I saw this mentioned in a thread regarding playing multiple exs's
and/or touch tracks of multiple exs's.
What's the story?


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roman pirie wrote:

> I create a song with say drums, bass, keys. All using exs instruments.
> The
> first one plays alright, but the following instances don't respond
> straight
> away. IOW I press play and the first few notes of the bass and keys
> don't
> sound. With audio I realise that reading from a hard disk can't happen
>
> instantly and stopping the sequencer for a second seems to let Logic
> get
> ready for instant playback. But the exs is a sampler and loads into
> RAM. But
> it seems doesn't behave like a hardware sampler.
>
> I think I saw this mentioned in a thread regarding playing multiple
> exs's
> and/or touch tracks of multiple exs's.
> What's the story?
>
>

What was mentioned, regarding playing multiple instances live, was that
the first instance has minimal latency but all susequent instances have
substantial latency. What this means is that the other instances are
delayed all through the song. I don't think this is what you meant is it
?

Dave Eager

roman pirie wrote:

> I realise that but it makes life a little more difficult in many ways.
>
> Editing, jump to markers and play/loop etc. The exs is RAM based so
> what is
> the LOGIC behind this inadequacy.
> --
>
>
>

Are you using 4.7.2 ?

Dave Eager

--- In exs-users@y..., roman pirie <romanp@x> wrote:
> I realise that but it makes life a little more difficult in many 
ways.
> Editing, jump to markers and play/loop etc. The exs is RAM 
based so what is
> the LOGIC behind this inadequacy.
-----
WHAT!!!!!!
you think technology is here to make your life LESS dificult??
hahahahahahahahaha.

my solution?
smoke a big, fat one :-)

andy

My theory is that Logic/CPU must read ahead slightly to correctly manage all
the audio. Of course your hardware sampler doesn't need to do this because
its responsibilities are far less taxing on its processor. I suppose its a
trade off--accuracy for immediate action. Personally, I'll take the
accuracy. It never bothered me much once I figured out I should just step
back a bar before hitting play. If you're at a live show triggering
sequences, start them all on bar or beat 2... Having your computer do the
job of everything does have its prices. Well worth it to me though. -Jer

From: ythan@...
Reply-To: exs-users@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 18:22:06 -0000
To: exs-users@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [exs] EXS late to respond?


--- In exs-users@y..., roman pirie <romanp@x> wrote:
> I realise that but it makes life a little more difficult in many
ways.
> Editing, jump to markers and play/loop etc. The exs is RAM
based so what is
> the LOGIC behind this inadequacy.
-----
WHAT!!!!!!
you think technology is here to make your life LESS dificult??
hahahahahahahahaha.

my solution?
smoke a big, fat one :-)

andy



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Most definately. Are you suggesting better performance with multiple exs's
in 4.7.2?
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> From: David Eager <oink@...>
> Reply-To: exs-users@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 03:22:40 +1000
> To: exs-users@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [exs] EXS late to respond?
> 
> 
> 
> roman pirie wrote:
> 
>> I realise that but it makes life a little more difficult in many ways.
>> 
>> Editing, jump to markers and play/loop etc. The exs is RAM based so
>> what is
>> the LOGIC behind this inadequacy.
>> --
>> 
>> 
>> 
> 
> Are you using 4.7.2 ?
> 
> Dave Eager
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roman pirie wrote:

> Most definately. Are you suggesting better performance with multiple
> exs's
> in 4.7.2?
> --
>
>

Just that there was a bug on cycle mode in earlier versions.

Dave Eager

roman pirie wrote:

> Most definately. Are you suggesting better performance with multiple
> exs's
> in 4.7.2?
> --
>
>
>

Oh something just popped into my head. There has been a bug with 4.7.xx
with the 'chase events' settings.
 If your autoload song was originally created pre-4.7, try building a
new autoload, especially new audio objects, then trash Logic
prefs,.Then, after re-bootring Logic, toggle the chase events settings a
few times. [What I observed was that the Chase Events setting were not
reflecting the true state of the song data.]

Dave Eager

--- In exs-users@y..., roman pirie <romanp@x> wrote:
> I create a song with say drums, bass, keys. All using exs 
instruments.
> The first one plays alright, but the following instances don't 
respond straight away.

I had this problem before. But in my case, it was because I was 
starting playback in the middle of a sequence, and the notes I 
expected to be right on the downbeat when I pushed play were actually 
at the very end of the previous bar (it's just MIDI data, after all). 
When I quantized it, it played right on the beat.

Scott