EXS 24 Logic Sampler Users Group

hello group,

does anyone have experience with the software CDXtract 3.6 and EXS24. I bought this software a few days ago, but I have some problems. 
I converted the Akai CD Distored Reality, but in nearly every instrument the velocity of the sample changes (it becomes quieter) when the sample starts to loop. 

Another problem, for example with the Akai CD Will Lee Bass Library, is that I have a loud noise at the beginning of most samples. the wave files are OK, so the instruments seem to cause this problem.

Does anyone know these problems?

Thanks for your help,
Samy



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Hi Samy,

You wrote,
> does anyone have experience with the software CDXtract 3.6 and EXS24. I
bought this
> software a few days ago, but I have some problems.
> I converted the Akai CD Distored Reality, but in nearly every instrument
the velocity
> of the sample changes (it becomes quieter) when the sample starts to loop.
>
> Another problem, for example with the Akai CD Will Lee Bass Library, is
that I have a
> loud noise at the beginning of most samples. the wave files are OK, so the
instruments
> seem to cause this problem.

I don't have extensive experience with CDXtract.  I have been trying it out
at a friend's place (to decide between it and Translator).  I have not
noticed a drop in volume in the loop portion of the samples myself.  It
could be the way the looping was achieved.  Sometimes with crossfade looping
you can get this if it is not done properly.

One thing that I have noticed with many Akai converted samples is a "click"
at the beginning of the sample.  I don't know if this is the loud noise you
describe or not.  I imagine that the very first sample is not on a
zero-crossing and that causes the click.  To get around it, I go into each
zone in the exs-24 editor and set the sample start to 1 or 2.  THat
typically makes the click disappear.

BTW, I just ordered Translator.  It seems to do more of what I need.  I
actually have not tested it out much other than the downloadable demo.  I
don't know if it is better than CDXtract or not in converting to exs-24
format as the demo version wouldn't let me test this out.  I went by some
users which I had contacted as well as the formats that it translates
according to the website.

HTH,
Fernando

Hi Fernando,

thx for your help. I also decided between CDXtract and Translator. Please let us all know how your translator works!

greetings, samy

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Fernando Vicente 
  To: exs-users@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Friday, November 23, 2001 6:02 PM
  Subject: RE: [exs] CDXtract 3.6


  Hi Samy,

  You wrote,
  > does anyone have experience with the software CDXtract 3.6 and EXS24. I
  bought this
  > software a few days ago, but I have some problems.
  > I converted the Akai CD Distored Reality, but in nearly every instrument
  the velocity
  > of the sample changes (it becomes quieter) when the sample starts to loop.
  >
  > Another problem, for example with the Akai CD Will Lee Bass Library, is
  that I have a
  > loud noise at the beginning of most samples. the wave files are OK, so the
  instruments
  > seem to cause this problem.

  I don't have extensive experience with CDXtract.  I have been trying it out
  at a friend's place (to decide between it and Translator).  I have not
  noticed a drop in volume in the loop portion of the samples myself.  It
  could be the way the looping was achieved.  Sometimes with crossfade looping
  you can get this if it is not done properly.

  One thing that I have noticed with many Akai converted samples is a "click"
  at the beginning of the sample.  I don't know if this is the loud noise you
  describe or not.  I imagine that the very first sample is not on a
  zero-crossing and that causes the click.  To get around it, I go into each
  zone in the exs-24 editor and set the sample start to 1 or 2.  THat
  typically makes the click disappear.

  BTW, I just ordered Translator.  It seems to do more of what I need.  I
  actually have not tested it out much other than the downloadable demo.  I
  don't know if it is better than CDXtract or not in converting to exs-24
  format as the demo version wouldn't let me test this out.  I went by some
  users which I had contacted as well as the formats that it translates
  according to the website.

  HTH,
  Fernando


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----- Original Message -----

From: "samy" <tp21tp21@...>
Subject: [exs] CDXtract 3.6
> Another problem, for example with the Akai CD Will Lee Bass Library, is
that I
> have a loud noise at the beginning of most samples. the wave files are OK,
so the instruments seem to cause this problem.

Why don't you use the internal EXS akai translator?

Andrea

Hi,

Andrea wrote,
>> Another problem, for example with the Akai CD Will Lee Bass Library, is
that I
>> have a loud noise at the beginning of most samples. the wave files are
OK, so
>> the instruments seem to cause this problem.
>>
> Why don't you use the internal EXS akai translator?

Because it is slow in comparison to CDXtract.  Also, there are problems with
it as well.  I've found some samples which have their loop points messed up
so that there are clicks when playing through the loops yet no clicks are
heard on an Akai sampler.  BTW, I've found some where it happens with
CDXtract as well.  I haven't investigated much further into it.  I'm waiting
for Translator to be delivered in order to see if it suffers in the same way
or not.

Anyway, not that the Emagic akai converter works that poorly.  For the basic
stuff it does a good job.  However, I find it way too slow and, if it will
suffer similar problems as what I found on CDXtract, I would much rather buy
and use the faster one.

Just MHO,
Fernando

At 01:06 PM 11/23/01 -0800, you wrote:

> >> Another problem, for example with the Akai CD Will Lee Bass Library, is
>that I have a loud noise at the beginning of most samples. the wave files are
>OK, so the instruments seem to cause this problem.

We found in studies that there are a variety of anomalies at the beginning 
of the sample which don't show up on the source but are apparent on the 
destination.

Most software samplers, including the EXS, are much faster responders than 
their hardware counterparts. They work "computer perfect" so to say. For 
example, if a sound has lot's of low frequency content and does not start 
out at 0 amplitude, the EXS will sometimes "complain" that is, put a 
audible pop in (which makes your Bass library report not surprise me). Same 
with other software samplers - Giga, HALion, etc. There are other things 
that cause this as well.

For this reason, in Translator, we put in a "fade-in for computer based 
samplers" option, which fades in the first 16 samples; forcing the sample 
to start at zero amplitude. We were going to just go ahead and make this 
automatic, but we found that the "glitch" is actually preferable on 
percussive type sounds (drums, etc.). So it wound up being an option that 
you can use whenever something like this happens.

Check your .wav's on your example - do they start at zero amplitude, or do 
they start at 3000 - 5000 whatever? Is the glitch more pronounced on the 
lower frequency samples?



Garth Hjelte
Sampler User