EXS 24 Logic Sampler Users Group

Hey, I just stumbled across the following site:
http://www.zoolabmusic.com/ (thanks to Hendrik Jan Veenstra, he posted that
one on the LUG).
Now, when you go to their download section you'll find some Nord Modular
samples. And, what nice dudes they are, these samples are perfectly looped,
so creating EXS patches is no deal at all.
And as if that wasn't good enough allready, I created some simple EXS
patches out of them.
And hey, I even went a bit further and created some patches making more or
less intense use of the EXS own synthesis options. So, go download the
samples, unzip them onto your preferred EXS samples partition (use different
folders as there are some samples of the same name) and then get the EXS
instrument files here:
www.saschafranck.de/zoolab_nord_modular.zip (only 14kb)

This file contains three sort of patches (divided into two zips to make
things more clear):

        Zip 1 ("SamplerInstruments.zip"):
1) Very basic EXS instruments only containing some keymapping. No UI
settings are applied to them.
Here's a great tip, btw: You can load any patch with some nice sounding
Filter, LFO and whatever settings, then load the "raw" patches from the zip
and voila, the filter settings are applied to that patch.

2) Some combined EXS instruments, still using the same samples from the
zoolab site, but also using some combinations, such as L/R detuned zones of
different instruments. Still no UI settings are applied, so you can use the
tip from 1).
Not much yet, maybe more later.

Put both of these patches into your "Sampler Instruments" directory (I
recommend unzipping while preserving the directory structures)

        Zip 2 (PluginSettings.zip):
3) Some Plugin Settings (.PST). These are using the patches from 1) and 2)
but also make use of the EXS synthesis.
Put those into "Plugin-Settings\EXS24".
Again, not too much yet.

             ***Small Alert***
All the "NordPuls" patches are using samples of the same name. They aren't
the same though but as the EXS will have to search your samples, keep an eye
on what samples these will be. I tried to give the EXS instruments
appropriate names, also there's just three "NordPuls" sample folders, so the
EXS should give you all necessary options to choose from (unless on your
drive there's more samples using exactly the same names).

Hope you like these patches a bit, maybe I will do some more and also some
patches for their Waldorf Pulse samples as well. Oh, and maybe it'd be a
nice idea to exchange both EXS patches and Plugin-settings based on these
samples, no?

Last note: I didn't do a set for the "Nordkit" yet and I won't as I don't
use the EXS for drums anymore.

Cheers,
Sascha

> Hey, I just stumbled across the following site:
> http://www.zoolabmusic.com/ (thanks to Hendrik Jan Veenstra, he posted that
> one on the LUG).
> Now, when you go to their download section you'll find some Nord Modular
> samples. And, what nice dudes they are, these samples are perfectly looped,
> so creating EXS patches is no deal at all.
> And as if that wasn't good enough allready, I created some simple EXS
> patches out of them.
> And hey, I even went a bit further and created some patches making more or
> less intense use of the EXS own synthesis options. So, go download the
> samples, unzip them onto your preferred EXS samples partition (use different
> folders as there are some samples of the same name) and then get the EXS
> instrument files here:
> www.saschafranck.de/zoolab_nord_modular.zip (only 14kb)
> 
> This file contains three sort of patches (divided into two zips to make
> things more clear):
> 
>       Zip 1 ("SamplerInstruments.zip"):
> 1) Very basic EXS instruments only containing some keymapping. No UI
> settings are applied to them.
> Here's a great tip, btw: You can load any patch with some nice sounding
> Filter, LFO and whatever settings, then load the "raw" patches from the zip
> and voila, the filter settings are applied to that patch.
> 
> 2) Some combined EXS instruments, still using the same samples from the
> zoolab site, but also using some combinations, such as L/R detuned zones of
> different instruments. Still no UI settings are applied, so you can use the
> tip from 1).
> Not much yet, maybe more later.
> 
> Put both of these patches into your "Sampler Instruments" directory (I
> recommend unzipping while preserving the directory structures)
> 
>       Zip 2 (PluginSettings.zip):
> 3) Some Plugin Settings (.PST). These are using the patches from 1) and 2)
> but also make use of the EXS synthesis.
> Put those into "Plugin-Settings\EXS24".
> Again, not too much yet.
> 
>            ***Small Alert***
> All the "NordPuls" patches are using samples of the same name. They aren't
> the same though but as the EXS will have to search your samples, keep an eye
> on what samples these will be. I tried to give the EXS instruments
> appropriate names, also there's just three "NordPuls" sample folders, so the
> EXS should give you all necessary options to choose from (unless on your
> drive there's more samples using exactly the same names).
> 
> Hope you like these patches a bit, maybe I will do some more and also some
> patches for their Waldorf Pulse samples as well. Oh, and maybe it'd be a
> nice idea to exchange both EXS patches and Plugin-settings based on these
> samples, no?
> 
> Last note: I didn't do a set for the "Nordkit" yet and I won't as I don't
> use the EXS for drums anymore.

I haven't checked the patches yet, but I wanted to ask you... If you don¹t
use the EXS for drums, what do you use????


David Tobin

Wow and Flutter music - Arranging, technology, general wellbeing.....

David Tobin wrote:
> I haven't checked the patches yet, but I wanted to ask you... If you don\ufffdt
> use the EXS for drums, what do you use????

FXpansions DR-008. Similar to N.I.s Battery but from what I can tell from
fooling around with Battery on a friends machine, I prefer it quite a bit.
Unfortunately it's PC only (yet?), but many of my wishes have been realized
with that thing as I've been one of the first testers.
Guess for natural sounding drums I'd return to the EXS though as soon as
Logic supports multiple outs and the EXS editor will be redone. HALion might
be a good choice then too, but Steinberg needs to fix the sample management
issue urgently.

Regards,
Sascha

>I haven't checked the patches yet, but I wanted to ask you... If you don\ufffdt
>use the EXS for drums, what do you use????

I'm not Sascha, but I can recommend
1. Native Instruments Battery. I like it very much. It's easy to work with
and has some great creative possibilities. Also comes with a buch of
original kits elektro kits. But you have to be working in the style to
favour that.
2. FXpansion Dr-008 is also a very good drumsampler, with additional synth
drum modules en several levels of editing.  That's why it takes some more
time to master it. That's kept me from using it a lot until now, compared to
Battery. It's however more flexible than everything else on the market (and
has a very good price!). Not much working content included though. FXpansion
being a small company Sascha has a point in stating that user wishes will be
implemented faster than with NI. Although the guys at NI are also quite
communicative.

DR-008 can be considered as combining the best of both worlds of NI's
Battery (samples - no filter) and Waldorf's Attack (analog synthdrums with
filtering and delay effects) on a kind of 'budget' level. Don't get me wrong
about that. It's not a budget machine in that kind of way!

BTW: I downloaded the NordKit for use in Battery and DR-008 :-). Nice synth
drums!

Eppo Schaap
Galbatron Epic Symphonic Electronica
www.galbatron.com
music: www.ampcast.com/galbatron

> 
>> I haven't checked the patches yet, but I wanted to ask you... If you don¹t
>> use the EXS for drums, what do you use????
> 
> I'm not Sascha, but I can recommend
> 1. Native Instruments Battery. I like it very much. It's easy to work with
> and has some great creative possibilities. Also comes with a buch of
> original kits elektro kits. But you have to be working in the style to
> favour that.
> 2. FXpansion Dr-008 is also a very good drumsampler, with additional synth
> drum modules en several levels of editing.  That's why it takes some more
> time to master it. That's kept me from using it a lot until now, compared to
> Battery. It's however more flexible than everything else on the market (and
> has a very good price!). Not much working content included though. FXpansion
> being a small company Sascha has a point in stating that user wishes will be
> implemented faster than with NI. Although the guys at NI are also quite
> communicative.

Is the Dr-008 available for Mac users?
David Tobin

Wow and Flutter music - Arranging, technology, general wellbeing.....

Re: [exs] How to direct exs Samplesw to differnt HD than Logic 
Folder?! Thanks Urb
--

>Is the Dr-008 available for Mac users?

Not until now AFAIK. Take a look at www.fxpansion.com to be sure. 

Eppo Schaap
Galbatron Epic Symphonic Electronica
www.galbatron.com
music: www.ampcast.com/galbatron

Sascha, Thanks for the Nord instruments. I tried them out and found some 
useful things. If you decide to create some of the other synths from samples 
on the site be sure to post them, I would be interested in those as well if 
you decide to create them. Some time I would like to upgrade to exs24 
however right now I could only afford exsp24.
Thanks,
Paul
>From: "Sascha Franck" <saschafranck@...
>Reply-To: exs-users@yahoogroups.com
>To: <exs-users@yahoogroups.com>
>Subject: [exs] Some patches for you
>Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 15:59:11 +0100
>
>Hey, I just stumbled across the following site:
>http://www.zoolabmusic.com/ (thanks to Hendrik Jan Veenstra, he posted that
>one on the LUG).
>Now, when you go to their download section you'll find some Nord Modular
>samples. And, what nice dudes they are, these samples are perfectly looped,
>so creating EXS patches is no deal at all.
>And as if that wasn't good enough allready, I created some simple EXS
>patches out of them.
>And hey, I even went a bit further and created some patches making more or
>less intense use of the EXS own synthesis options. So, go download the
>samples, unzip them onto your preferred EXS samples partition (use 
>different
>folders as there are some samples of the same name) and then get the EXS
>instrument files here:
>www.saschafranck.de/zoolab_nord_modular.zip (only 14kb)
>
>This file contains three sort of patches (divided into two zips to make
>things more clear):
>
>         Zip 1 ("SamplerInstruments.zip"):
>1) Very basic EXS instruments only containing some keymapping. No UI
>settings are applied to them.
>Here's a great tip, btw: You can load any patch with some nice sounding
>Filter, LFO and whatever settings, then load the "raw" patches from the zip
>and voila, the filter settings are applied to that patch.
>
>2) Some combined EXS instruments, still using the same samples from the
>zoolab site, but also using some combinations, such as L/R detuned zones of
>different instruments. Still no UI settings are applied, so you can use the
>tip from 1).
>Not much yet, maybe more later.
>
>Put both of these patches into your "Sampler Instruments" directory (I
>recommend unzipping while preserving the directory structures)
>
>         Zip 2 (PluginSettings.zip):
>3) Some Plugin Settings (.PST). These are using the patches from 1) and 2)
>but also make use of the EXS synthesis.
>Put those into "Plugin-Settings\EXS24".
>Again, not too much yet.
>
>              ***Small Alert***
>All the "NordPuls" patches are using samples of the same name. They aren't
>the same though but as the EXS will have to search your samples, keep an 
>eye
>on what samples these will be. I tried to give the EXS instruments
>appropriate names, also there's just three "NordPuls" sample folders, so 
>the
>EXS should give you all necessary options to choose from (unless on your
>drive there's more samples using exactly the same names).
>
>Hope you like these patches a bit, maybe I will do some more and also some
>patches for their Waldorf Pulse samples as well. Oh, and maybe it'd be a
>nice idea to exchange both EXS patches and Plugin-settings based on these
>samples, no?
>
>Last note: I didn't do a set for the "Nordkit" yet and I won't as I don't
>use the EXS for drums anymore.
>
>Cheers,
>Sascha
>
>




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Paul Martinson wrote:
> Sascha, Thanks for the Nord instruments. I tried them out and found some
> useful things.

Glad you liked them.

> If you decide to create some of the other synths from samples
> on the site be sure to post them, I would be interested in those as well
if
> you decide to create them.

I allready finished 8 basic patches for the Waldorf Pulse.
Had no time to do anything more, plus I either had to readjust the loopoints
(some of them weren't as good as with the Nord patches) or setup some
completely by my own, which took some time.
As you have the EXSP you could fool around with some individual GUI settings
though. I might come up with some further patches the next days (well, let
me say next year...).
Two kinds of Waldorf samples I haven't tweaked yet, the "alarmbass" and
"chordal" ones, the others are all there (I like the SuperSync one quite a
bit).
www.saschafranck.de/Zoolab_Waldorf_Pulse.zip

Cheers,
Sascha

> Hello

>> I can recommend
>> Native Instruments Battery. I like it very much. It's easy to work with
>> and has some great creative possibilities. Also comes with a buch of
>> original kits elektro kits. But you have to be working in the style to
>> favour that.

Could you just say why you use Battery as opposed to the EXS?
Dave

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From: "Dave Howard" <david@...>
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> >> I can recommend
> >> Native Instruments Battery. I like it very much. It's easy to work with
> >> and has some great creative possibilities. Also comes with a buch of
> >> original kits elektro kits. But you have to be working in the style to
> >> favour that.
> Could you just say why you use Battery as opposed to the EXS?
Well I'm thinking of getting battery (or dr008 if its ever for the mac) as
well as EXS. The advantages? Browsing samples to create kits is easy and
fast, and it treats each drum sample as an instrument with individual
envelope and settings rather than like exs where its common to the whole
mapped kit. Download the demo to play and see for yourself.

~Pev


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> >> I can recommend
> >> Native Instruments Battery. I like it very much. It's easy to work with
> >> and has some great creative possibilities. Also comes with a buch of
> >> original kits elektro kits. But you have to be working in the style to
> >> favour that.

(it was actually me writing that :-)

- in a dedicated drumsampler it's much easier to adjust settings for the
individual sounds on the fly
- it's easier to see what you're doing
- every sound in Battery can be given a name.
- drag & drop samples from explorer (or finder) and between cells
- extra functions (loop + count), shaper, envelope (pitch & amplitude),
tune, bit reduce
- flexible modulation matrix (also random as source)
- velocity crossfade

But i'm sure DR-008 has also a lot of these things and more! Battery is not
*better*

I actually use Battery because it was the first user friendly VST
drumsampler. I tried LM-4 but making kits with this one was a pain. I tried
DR-005 (predecessor of DR-008) but that one crashed on me when it couldn't
find its kits in Logic (I exchange songs with my fellow Galbatron musician
that has of course another path to store the kits on his machine). What's
easier than drag & drop the samples from Explorer and see everything you're
doing (cells blinking, all parameters directly available on screen). I
almost never use accoustic drums, so the elektro kits delivered with Battery
are a good addition for me. It's also very simple to change the sounds in a
wink, so they're not identified as 'the preset kits' :-). It's a pity it
doesn't have a filter (or filters). Battery also imports S1000 (has been
optimized in the last update) so accoustic kits won't be a problem sing a
good library I guess.

But i'm sure DR-008 has also a lot of these things and more! Battery is not
*better*. I'm getting in to DR-008 more and more and it's also very good!
When you're on Windows it think I would recommend it as the best value for
money.

BTW: If you're a 'sound searcher' (letting your song play and try out all
your 45627 samples on your HD within the context of a song) DR-008 can do
this best. It can play with opened load dialog and you can try all sounds in
the dialog with cursor keys. Not possible with Battery (nor EXS!).

Eppo Schaap
Galbatron Epic Symphonic Electronica
www.galbatron.com
music: www.ampcast.com/galbatron

Eppo Schaap wrote:
> BTW: If you're a 'sound searcher' (letting your song play and try out all
> your 45627 samples on your HD within the context of a song) DR-008 can do
> this best. It can play with opened load dialog and you can try all sounds
in
> the dialog with cursor keys. Not possible with Battery (nor EXS!).

This actually is possible with Battery. If I remember correctly (I don't own
Battery but have been fooling around with it on a friends machine) there's a
little checkbox whenever you load a sample through the file selection box
saying something like "play in kit" or similar.

Regards,
Sascha

I use battery because it has individual amp envelopes for each drum. The
exs24 has group amp envelope and filtering but it is wack, the filter can't
be used on individiual zones because it only goes 50%, and the amp envelopes
I never figured out how to use like on an akai sampler where you can easily
tune each samples amp envelope. Batteries amp envelope also has a hold
parameter on the amp envelope so you can let the punch through then decay
starts. It has a modulation matrix for making your drums respond to
different controller dynamically eg velocity to pitch envelope amount, huge
range of possibilities are offered. The pitch envelope of course. Solo and
mute of drum cells.
HERES A BIG REASON, probably my number one reason for using it. You can go
through all your different, say kickdrums while the beat is playing so you
can audition different drums in context! NIIICE.
It's designed for drums, there's heaps of other reasons but I can't list
them all. The exs24 is frustrating for drums, I never did figure out the amp
envelope and I'm a veteran so to speak.

If you are an obsessed drum sound collector and drum programming enthusiast
I recommend setting up a Battery kit with all you drum types and make a
mapped instrument with named keys like Kickdrum, Snare, Open Hihat etc then
use this for your drum programming template. Then you can swap in context
for different kickdrums, snares etc.
Battery is cool for drums.

> From: Dave Howard <david@...>
> Reply-To: exs-users@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 13:23:41 +0000
> To: EXS User Group <exs-users@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: Re: [exs] Some patches for you
> 
>> Hello
> 
>>> I can recommend
>>> Native Instruments Battery. I like it very much. It's easy to work with
>>> and has some great creative possibilities. Also comes with a buch of
>>> original kits elektro kits. But you have to be working in the style to
>>> favour that.
> 
> Could you just say why you use Battery as opposed to the EXS?
> Dave
> 
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Sascha, Thanks again for the new Waldorf exs creations as well as the other 
new ones you posted. I just finished downloading everything and organizing 
it on to my hardrive. I will be trying them out soon.
Thanks
>From: "Sascha Franck" <saschafranck@...>
>Reply-To: exs-users@yahoogroups.com
>To: <exs-users@yahoogroups.com>
>Subject: Re: [exs] Some patches for you
>Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 02:01:49 +0100
>
>Paul Martinson wrote:
> > Sascha, Thanks for the Nord instruments. I tried them out and found some
> > useful things.
>
>Glad you liked them.
>
> > If you decide to create some of the other synths from samples
> > on the site be sure to post them, I would be interested in those as well
>if
> > you decide to create them.
>
>I allready finished 8 basic patches for the Waldorf Pulse.
>Had no time to do anything more, plus I either had to readjust the 
>loopoints
>(some of them weren't as good as with the Nord patches) or setup some
>completely by my own, which took some time.
>As you have the EXSP you could fool around with some individual GUI 
>settings
>though. I might come up with some further patches the next days (well, let
>me say next year...).
>Two kinds of Waldorf samples I haven't tweaked yet, the "alarmbass" and
>"chordal" ones, the others are all there (I like the SuperSync one quite a
>bit).
>www.saschafranck.de/Zoolab_Waldorf_Pulse.zip
>
>Cheers,
>Sascha
>
>




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That's cause for consideration, indeed! Hmmm...

> BATTERY:
> HERES A BIG REASON, probably my number one reason for using it. You can go
> through all your different, say kickdrums while the beat is playing so you
> can audition different drums in context! NIIICE.

Well in the editor for EXS 24 there is a db output volume for each sound and 
I find it much more easy than Akai just use wichever db that makes the sound 
good.

I have made astonishing drums using EXS 24 so there is no reason for not 
making good music with help from the EXS 24 I find it to be great and the 
interface is so much better than a lot of other software samplers out there 
and I have used Battery to but I just go for the EXS 24 and for me there is 
nothing like it!

Thanks Emagic and hopefully we see Logic 5.0 soon!!

Best regards,

Alvaro Villalobos.


>From: roman pirie <romanp@...>
>Reply-To: exs-users@yahoogroups.com
>To: <exs-users@yahoogroups.com>
>Subject: Re: [exs] Some patches for you
>Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2002 11:32:35 +1300
>
>I use battery because it has individual amp envelopes for each drum. The
>exs24 has group amp envelope and filtering but it is wack, the filter can't
>be used on individiual zones because it only goes 50%, and the amp 
>envelopes
>I never figured out how to use like on an akai sampler where you can easily
>tune each samples amp envelope. Batteries amp envelope also has a hold
>parameter on the amp envelope so you can let the punch through then decay
>starts. It has a modulation matrix for making your drums respond to
>different controller dynamically eg velocity to pitch envelope amount, huge
>range of possibilities are offered. The pitch envelope of course. Solo and
>mute of drum cells.
>HERES A BIG REASON, probably my number one reason for using it. You can go
>through all your different, say kickdrums while the beat is playing so you
>can audition different drums in context! NIIICE.
>It's designed for drums, there's heaps of other reasons but I can't list
>them all. The exs24 is frustrating for drums, I never did figure out the 
>amp
>envelope and I'm a veteran so to speak.
>
>If you are an obsessed drum sound collector and drum programming enthusiast
>I recommend setting up a Battery kit with all you drum types and make a
>mapped instrument with named keys like Kickdrum, Snare, Open Hihat etc then
>use this for your drum programming template. Then you can swap in context
>for different kickdrums, snares etc.
>Battery is cool for drums.
>
>
> > From: Dave Howard <david@...>
> > Reply-To: exs-users@yahoogroups.com
> > Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 13:23:41 +0000
> > To: EXS User Group <exs-users@yahoogroups.com>
> > Subject: Re: [exs] Some patches for you
> >
> >> Hello
> >
> >>> I can recommend
> >>> Native Instruments Battery. I like it very much. It's easy to work 
>with
> >>> and has some great creative possibilities. Also comes with a buch of
> >>> original kits elektro kits. But you have to be working in the style to
> >>> favour that.
> >
> > Could you just say why you use Battery as opposed to the EXS?
> > Dave
> >
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