EXS 24 Logic Sampler Users Group

Hi,

Periodically I email this list to notify new members about a web page 
I administrate:

http://www.ontology.com/exs24

It's got a bunch of free exs24 instruments for macintosh or pc. Many 
have been designed to take advantage of exs24's filters and stuff 
like that, so it's more than just a bunch of sample-triggering 
patches.

I am actively soliciting new patches that YOU the exs24 community 
have developed. If you have something I can share on this page, 
please email me or follow the instructions on the exs24 page.

Enjoy!

-canton becker
-- 
-- v a r i o u s   d e s t i n a t i o n s --
http://www.mp3.com/canton - music
http://www.ontology.com/dj - dj sets
http://www.ontology.com/production - film/tv music
http://www.ontology.com/canton - + the kitchen sink

Does anyone know if we are expecting significant improvements in exs with 
Logic 5?

Halion is gigasampler compatible, and streaming from disk. For anyone doing 
scoring work on mac it's pretty important to be able to take advantage of 
gigasampler's library, and the way they have it set up to instantly switch 
between multiple layers.

I sure would prefer it be exs though...

Darcy

Le 28/01/02 21:55, « Darcy Phillips » <darclist@...> a écrit :

> Does anyone know if we are expecting significant improvements in exs with
> Logic 5?
> 
> Halion is gigasampler compatible, and streaming from disk. For anyone doing
> scoring work on mac it's pretty important to be able to take advantage of
> gigasampler's library, and the way they have it set up to instantly switch
> between multiple layers.
> 
> I sure would prefer it be exs though...
> 
> Darcy
> 
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I have been told by french support that exs will do streaming too with logic
audio 5.

> >
>I have been told by french support that exs will do streaming too with logic
>audio 5.


I'm glad to hear that. Streaming is certainly a big step in the right 
direction. But it's not only about streaming for me, there are also some 
other very important things. Being able to read the giga library, which 
means also the ability to build patches with switchable layers for 
different articulations.

But oddly enough, the biggest one for me is the simplest: I need to be able 
to control the amplitude of the sound without using midi volume!  Without 
this the software is essentially useless for me, and anyone else wanting to 
do any sort of detailed orchestral simulations.

Darcy




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Here, here! I've always been disappointed with MIDI volume automation. Does
HALion do what you are requesting? If not all, which elements does it do
well, that you discussed?

> From: Darcy Phillips <darclist@...>
> Reply-To: exs-users@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 15:26:41 -0700
> To: exs-users@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [exs] new exs with \logic 5?
> 
> 
>>> 
>> I have been told by french support that exs will do streaming too with logic
>> audio 5.
> 
> 
> I'm glad to hear that. Streaming is certainly a big step in the right
> direction. But it's not only about streaming for me, there are also some
> other very important things. Being able to read the giga library, which
> means also the ability to build patches with switchable layers for
> different articulations.
> 
> But oddly enough, the biggest one for me is the simplest: I need to be able
> to control the amplitude of the sound without using midi volume!  Without
> this the software is essentially useless for me, and anyone else wanting to
> do any sort of detailed orchestral simulations.
> 
> Darcy
> 
> 
> 
> 
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At 07:23 PM 1/28/02 -0500, you wrote:
>Here, here! I've always been disappointed with MIDI volume automation.
Glad there's someone out there!
I'm actually not talking about midi volume. In fact, what I'm after is a 
way to control amplitude that is NOT midi volume. Midi volume is for 
setting the level of an instrument in a mix, not for expressive modulation 
of amplitude as in, for example, a string section playing with a loud 
attack, quickly decrescendoing, then slowly increasing back to the original 
level. After I've recorded this "performance" I then would like the option 
of changing the level of this instrument in the mix, using midi volume.

>  Does
>HALion do what you are requesting? If not all, which elements does it do
>well, that you discussed?
It seems to me that Halion is set up for this. On the modulation page, "Amp 
amount" is listed as one of the destination parameters.

All I'm talking about is the equivalent of "expression", cc #11, in the 
general midi spec. It's not a useless parameter, in fact, it's the most 
important parameter for musical expression! Much more musically basic than 
controlling filter cutoff, which everyone seems to fall all over themselves 
to offer.
Am I the only one who cares about this?

Also, from reading the manual, Halion seems very well set up to have 
multiple keymaps per program, accessible in many sophisticated ways, 
including gigasampler's midi note method.
This strikes me as essential for dealing with the massive number of choices 
available these days for samples. Violins, for example. There are many 
different articulations possible, and the more I can have at my fingertips, 
the better I'm going to sound, and the easier it's going to be to make the 
music. Having to have a different instance of the sampler for each sound is 
just too clunky.

If these features aren't forthcoming in exs24, I want to know as soon as 
possible, so I can get on with deciding on other platforms. I sure don't 
want to build an entire PC just to get these features....

When will we get more detail on the new features in v.5 ?

> > From: Darcy Phillips <darclist@...>
> > Reply-To: exs-users@yahoogroups.com
> > Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 15:26:41 -0700
> > To: exs-users@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [exs] new exs with \logic 5?
> >
> >
> >>>
> >> I have been told by french support that exs will do streaming too with 
> logic
> >> audio 5.
> >
> >
> > I'm glad to hear that. Streaming is certainly a big step in the right
> > direction. But it's not only about streaming for me, there are also some
> > other very important things. Being able to read the giga library, which
> > means also the ability to build patches with switchable layers for
> > different articulations.
> >
> > But oddly enough, the biggest one for me is the simplest: I need to be able
> > to control the amplitude of the sound without using midi volume!  Without
> > this the software is essentially useless for me, and anyone else wanting to
> > do any sort of detailed orchestral simulations.
> >
> > Darcy
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Dary, I understood you from the start. I would very much like to see the
same features. I second the motion.

> From: Darcy Phillips <darclist@...>
> Reply-To: exs-users@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 22:05:01 -0700
> To: exs-users@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [exs] new exs with \logic 5?
> 
> At 07:23 PM 1/28/02 -0500, you wrote:
>> Here, here! I've always been disappointed with MIDI volume automation.
> Glad there's someone out there!
> I'm actually not talking about midi volume. In fact, what I'm after is a
> way to control amplitude that is NOT midi volume. Midi volume is for
> setting the level of an instrument in a mix, not for expressive modulation
> of amplitude as in, for example, a string section playing with a loud
> attack, quickly decrescendoing, then slowly increasing back to the original
> level. After I've recorded this "performance" I then would like the option
> of changing the level of this instrument in the mix, using midi volume.
> 
>> Does
>> HALion do what you are requesting? If not all, which elements does it do
>> well, that you discussed?
> It seems to me that Halion is set up for this. On the modulation page, "Amp
> amount" is listed as one of the destination parameters.
> 
> All I'm talking about is the equivalent of "expression", cc #11, in the
> general midi spec. It's not a useless parameter, in fact, it's the most
> important parameter for musical expression! Much more musically basic than
> controlling filter cutoff, which everyone seems to fall all over themselves
> to offer.
> Am I the only one who cares about this?
> 
> Also, from reading the manual, Halion seems very well set up to have
> multiple keymaps per program, accessible in many sophisticated ways,
> including gigasampler's midi note method.
> This strikes me as essential for dealing with the massive number of choices
> available these days for samples. Violins, for example. There are many
> different articulations possible, and the more I can have at my fingertips,
> the better I'm going to sound, and the easier it's going to be to make the
> music. Having to have a different instance of the sampler for each sound is
> just too clunky.
> 
> If these features aren't forthcoming in exs24, I want to know as soon as
> possible, so I can get on with deciding on other platforms. I sure don't
> want to build an entire PC just to get these features....
> 
> When will we get more detail on the new features in v.5 ?
> 
>>> From: Darcy Phillips <darclist@...>
>>> Reply-To: exs-users@yahoogroups.com
>>> Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 15:26:41 -0700
>>> To: exs-users@yahoogroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: [exs] new exs with \logic 5?
>>> 
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>> I have been told by french support that exs will do streaming too with
>> logic
>>>> audio 5.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I'm glad to hear that. Streaming is certainly a big step in the right
>>> direction. But it's not only about streaming for me, there are also some
>>> other very important things. Being able to read the giga library, which
>>> means also the ability to build patches with switchable layers for
>>> different articulations.
>>> 
>>> But oddly enough, the biggest one for me is the simplest: I need to be able
>>> to control the amplitude of the sound without using midi volume!  Without
>>> this the software is essentially useless for me, and anyone else wanting to
>>> do any sort of detailed orchestral simulations.
>>> 
>>> Darcy
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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t 12:35 AM 1/29/02 -0500, you wrote:
>Dary, I understood you from the start. I would very much like to see the
>same features. I second the motion.
Well, thanks for the opportunity to vent then, and for the vote of support. 
I hope you don't mind being quoted anonymously on the logic list, I wanted 
to share my venting over there too.

Darcy


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From: Darcy Phillips <darclist@...>
Reply-To: exs-users@yahoogroups.com
Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 22:05:01 -0700
To: exs-users@yahoogroups.com

Subject: Re: [exs] new exs with \logic 5?


At 07:23 PM 1/28/02 -0500, you wrote:
All I'm talking about is the equivalent of "expression", cc #11, in the
general midi spec. It's not a useless parameter, in fact, it's the most
important parameter for musical expression! Much more musically basic than
controlling filter cutoff, which everyone seems to fall all over themselves
to offer.
      Am I the only one who cares about this?

I'm also waiting for this upgrade. As you say, it's an extremely important
parameter.

Also, why are non-standard controllers used for basic operations, like
cutoff for example? I know it's esentially a plugin so the controller
numbers are set in a special way, but it's an instrument and should be
controlled like one, no?
-- 
Rob



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Hi

> All I'm talking about is the equivalent of "expression", cc #11, in 
the
> general midi spec. 
>       Am I the only one who cares about this?

I do think a lot more would care if they took more interest in 
detailed shaping of musical phrases and dynamics. From reading 
different interviews I gather that most people who really use cc #ll 
are doing a lot of music simulating real instruments. The importance 
CC #11 has to you probably goes to show that you are very focused on 
the musical phrasing of each instrument. It's obvious that this is 
not where most music makers use their energy. At the same time I 
think that a lot (myself included) aren't smarter than using the 
general volume cc where expression would have been a better choise.

Kind regards,

Soren