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Come on you Guys
Get real. 
We are all ³lifting² every day.
I truly don¹t give a fuck about the law. You lift me, I lift you. The swings
and roundabouts keep moving very nicely.
Are you really wannabe Policemen.
You should try to enjoy your short lives
Yawn Yawn, back to the studio to lift some more 



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Just a short note to suggest that people on the 
list should not respond to this taunt, except 
privately. Or else I fear that some of us will 
leave the list from it having been taken over by a 
never-ending thread...

Lee Jones wrote:

> Come on you Guys
> Get real.
> We are all \ufffdlifting\ufffd every day.
> I truly don\ufffdt give a fuck about the law. You lift me, I lift you. The swings
> and roundabouts keep moving very nicely.
> Are you really wannabe Policemen.
> You should try to enjoy your short lives
> Yawn Yawn, back to the studio to lift some more




http://www.nedfx.com

       Ned Bouhalassa

n e d @ n e d f x . c o m

I agree wholeheartedly Ned. My original post that started this was simply a 
warning to be careful with this whole thing. Legitimate sharing can quickly 
turn into illegal sharing, and because there are a lot of people on this list 
creating music professionally, this is something you have to be very careful 
about. (particularly because it is very easy to swap EXS sounds in a forum 
like this, the likelyhood of piracy activities can easily grow out of 
innocent swapping.)

This forum turning into EXS Napster, or a never ending debate about copyright 
law would be a shame, and would drive away the more serious users here.

I have a suggestion:

How about sharing some tips on EXS patch programming tricks?

-EP

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<PersingEP@...> wrote:
> I agree wholeheartedly Ned. My original post that started this was simply
a
> warning to be careful with this whole thing. Legitimate sharing can
quickly
> turn into illegal sharing, and because there are a lot of people on this
list
> creating music professionally, this is something you have to be very
careful
> about. (particularly because it is very easy to swap EXS sounds in a forum
> like this, the likelyhood of piracy activities can easily grow out of
> innocent swapping.)

I clearly understand what you mean, but until now it allways seemed to be
that people were mature enough not letting any illegal things happening
here.
For myself, I allways am careful with the sounds I share, most of them I did
completely by my own while others were (or better: they still are) available
on some sites that I don't expect to do illegal sharing - such as
analoguesamples.com which has been an incredible source for me and the
Zoolab page. You may have noticed that I didn't even include the samples in
my patches, with some analoguesamples.com patches this unfortunately isn't
possible because many require some massive tweaking. Also, as soon as I use
them I will a) keep the original disclaimer intact and I will of course only
use those that they allow to use - which, for analoguesamples.com, is true
for all their patches.

> This forum turning into EXS Napster, or a never ending debate about
copyright
> law would be a shame, and would drive away the more serious users here.

Honestly, I don't see this to happen. And if that was the case, I wouldn't
take part in it either.

> I have a suggestion:
>
> How about sharing some tips on EXS patch programming tricks?

That's a good idea.

Regards,
Sascha

I have a nice audio sample CD with drumkits which I've converted to aif. I
was hoping I could map several kicks, snares etc to a massive kit. It
appears the simplest way to do this is to move all the sounds into one
folder and map them all chromatically using that option in the Multisample
open setting in the Group menu. Is there a way to do this with more finesse,
but without too much more labor?

What is the way to name or save the files so they are automatically mapped
to the keynote of choice if I wanted to use the Drumset option in that
Multisample dialog?  I'm using Peak for my audio editor. What is the way to
have a region correspond to a user specified keynote?

Any other tips for laying out drums, where you want one sound per keynote?

Thanks

 (75% through downloading that akai piano)


Neil Goldstein
Portland, Oregon

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  > How about sharing some tips on EXS patch programming tricks?

  That's a good idea.



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Don't use drum sample. Use chromatic import. It does exactly what you are
requesting.

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> I have a nice audio sample CD with drumkits which I've converted to aif. I
> was hoping I could map several kicks, snares etc to a massive kit. It
> appears the simplest way to do this is to move all the sounds into one
> folder and map them all chromatically using that option in the Multisample
> open setting in the Group menu. Is there a way to do this with more finesse,
> but without too much more labor?
> 
> What is the way to name or save the files so they are automatically mapped
> to the keynote of choice if I wanted to use the Drumset option in that
> Multisample dialog?  I'm using Peak for my audio editor. What is the way to
> have a region correspond to a user specified keynote?
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> Any other tips for laying out drums, where you want one sound per keynote?
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> Thanks
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> (75% through downloading that akai piano)
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> Neil Goldstein
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Well..
All I can say is that I make a living as a writer and producer, which is
increasingly difficult when there are so many people out there without
talent or a work ethic who find it easier to steal (a euphemism for lift)
other peoples creativity and effort. But I will continue to work as
originally as I can, secure in the knowledge that I can sleep at night.
I can also say that I would take a very dim view on ³lifting² of my work.
Clive Young 


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Hi 

--- In exs-users@y..., <HELP@M...> wrote:
> > It
> > appears the simplest way to do this is to move all the sounds 
into one
> > folder and map them all chromatically using that option in the 
Multisample

This is what I do though I wish I knew a better way.

I have never had any luck in using the import sample options that are 
supposed to look at the sample files "key note" or whatever it's 
called.

What I do is this:
1) Move all samples to one folder
2) Find out in which order you want the samples on your keyboard
3) Click on each file so it moves from the upper window (unselected) 
to the lower (selected) in the order you wish the keyboard layout to 
be, selecting the sample you want to map to the HIGHEST note first 
and moving down
4) Check the order in the lower window
5) Import using the option that puts each sample on one key starting 
from C0.

I also use this method for chromatic multisamples, always selecting 
each file individually starting with the highest note. Remember that 
you, with one key command, can move all zones afterwards with their 
key notes. I think it was Sascha Franck who told this on the list and 
it really is a time saver.

I hope this makes some kind of sense, I'm at work now and wish I had 
the Logic screen in front of me while writing.

Kind regards,

Soren Riis-Vestergaard

sorenrv wrote:
> I have never had any luck in using the import sample options that are
> supposed to look at the sample files "key note" or whatever it's
> called.

Actually, it's all a matter of a) which preference you are using in the EXS
preferences and b) if there is some info embedded in the actual sample.
As you might know, wavefiles (and for that matter, AIFF and SD2 files too)
can contain certain "invisible" data, such as looppoints, copyright info and
also root keys. It seems to me that usually when you "create" a wavefile,
none of these is added. You will need a sampleeditor (well, maybe some
resource editor such as ResEdit would do that too) to add all that
additional info. It further seems to me (at least that's what I know from
WaveLab) that as soon as you add looppoint information some rootnote
information is added as well.

Now, in the EXS preferences you will find some options and actually they are
pretty much sufficient in handling such things.
Here's 3 little simple waveforms for you to demonstrate what the EXS will
do, actually they are all the same but contain different info:
http://www.saschafranck.de/exs/Sinewaves.zip (just 11kb)
- Sine_NoInfo.wav: As the name says, it contains no info at all. The EXS
will allways load it with C3 as the rootkey, regardless of which settings
you've choosen
- Sine_SomeInfo.wav: Contains loop and rootkey information. With any of the
"file" options choosen in the EXS preferences, it will automatically load
the file with the root key A0 (which is what is included in the file). With
"filename only" set in the preferences it will load it with C3 as the root
key.
- SineC2.wav: Actually this is a "fake name" as the file contains A0 rootkey
information. Now, when you set the EXS to either "filename/file" or
"filename only", the sample will automatically be mapped to C2 as its root
key, regardless of its fileinfo. When selecting "file/filename" or "filename
only" however, it will be mapped to A0 as a rootkey, regardless of its name

Now, when dealing with drumsamples and automappings, it's at least
questionable if any of the preferences will help you. Most drumsamples
simply don't contain any root info (ones you got from an audio CD can't even
contain any info at all) and well, usually it's not that much more efficient
if you had to rename the file to make use of the EXS's "filename" options,
especially as almost allways you have to tweak the zones further in the EXS
anyways.
IMO the EXS really needs some more or less huge improvements in this area.
Actually if it's supposed to compete with the others, the editor would need
a completely new design. If you ever worked with HALion (which I also own)
you will know what drag and drop means when dealing with your own patches.
Oh well, and a MIDI learn feature would be kickass too. Unfortunately, apart
from the streaming option, there's no EXS improvement at all in LA5. Well,
you can define a MIDI command now to step up/down through your patches, not
bad but only a minor thing if you ask me.

Anyways, this is why I never use any of the automapping options unless I am
just dealing with a bunch of unsorted samples where I might not care on
which key they actually are. Apart from that it seems that the automapping
feature sometimes is doing stupid things. Just try with the samples
mentioned above and choose "Auto Map" when being asked. You will find
yourself ending up with erratic zones, the results somewhat differing,
depending on the preference you've yhoosen, but you allways will find two
zones which aren't mapped all over the range but are splitted at *some*
point. One time this is Bb1, another time it's F#2... maximum bugginess as
it makes no sense at all.

However, what I choose to load and map drumsamples is doing it the hard way,
read: manually. I'm allways setting up a single key zone first, then load a
sample, then set proper attributes (one shot), then copy  and finally move
the zone using the "Shift zones L/R incl. key" keycommands. Attention,
there's a bug in copying zones: Once you press Ctrl+C and Ctrl+C, the copied
zone will stay selected in the display below the keyboard, also your "shift"
KCs will work for that zone, but the zone info box will NOT be activated at
the same time, so to actually load a new sample you will have to deselect
and select it again before loading a new sample.
Oh yes... there's quite some bugs in the EXS editor...

Regards,
Sascha

Hi Sascha

--- In exs-users@y..., "Sascha Franck" <saschafranck@s...> wrote:
> Now, in the EXS preferences you will find some options and actually 
they are
> pretty much sufficient in handling such things.
> etc.

Again you have taught me new stuff and thanx once again. What a huge 
and informative post indeed. I am going to test the files you kindly 
provided when at home in front of Logic.

Still, after reading your post I feel pretty sure that the method I 
described for "batch loading" samples from a multisample is faster 
than your manual method. So I am going to stick with that for now. 
What has really made my method work great is the tip you provided to 
move one or several keyzones with a key command. That way I get all 
the samples spread over the keyboard in the correct order using "my" 
import method and then move them to their final resting places 
using "your" key command. That's not so bad, actually.

Kind regards,

Soren Riis-Vestergaard