EXS 24 Logic Sampler Users Group

I downloaded this loop some time ago. Apparently it's copyright free.
Nothing special (more to the opposite, a standard conga pattern) but fits a
lot of things and there's numerous ways to modify it. I think it's recycled
kinda ok.
http://www.saschafranck.de/congaloop.zip (around 400kb)
Unzip to your EXS's preferred drive (if you have one defined) and make sure
to unzip maintaining the directory structures.
Includes the patch, the necessary sample, an appropriate MIDI file if you
want to use it on your own stuff and an LSO where I've been fooling around
with this pattern a bit.
Fits a lot of tempi, I'd say from around 75 to 130.
Please don't wonder if Logic is telling you the LSO was created using a
newer version, it loads fine in 4.8, I've just tried.

Hope you like it a bit,
Sascha

> http://www.saschafranck.de/congaloop.zip (around 400kb)

Oops, excuse me, it's http://www.saschafranck.de/exs/congaloop.zip

Cheers,
Sascha

Dear Sascha,

Thought as long as you were up posting conga loops, you might let me ask
you a question.  My system went thru a major crash, lost my main hard
drive.  Reloaded the OS, and started reloading programs.  I am using
Logic Plat 4.81 with a MOtu 2408.  I get the motu to function and record
in it's own little platform(audio desk) but I keep getting an ASIO
driver error-2804.  SO no audio in logic.  I also tried reloading
waveburner and when I try to switch the driver to ASIO I get an error
message and it closes down.  Yes I have copied the ASIO driver in to the
Logic ASIO Driver folder.  Any ideas??

Thanks and sorry for the interruption

Gary Pozner
NYC

Sascha Franck wrote:

>
> Oops, excuse me, it's http://www.saschafranck.de/exs/congaloop.zip
>

Inspiring! Thanks.


--
Eli Krantzberg
Nightshift Orchestra / Almat Productions
http://www.nightshiftorchestra.com

> sorenrv wrote:
> 
>> Your
>> concern should be in case you release music to the general public
>> where you use sounds and/or loops that could be copyright protected.
> 
> What's that expression "possession is nine tenths of the law"? I think just
> having (and using) unpaid for commercial samples is against the spirit of
> the law (if not the moral paradigm) regardless of whether you release music
> commercially an/or make money with it or not.
> 
> A home hobbiest using an unpaid for commercial sample for pleasure is no
> less illegal than Michael Jackson using that same sample on a million seller
> hit. Morally, we can come up with all kinds of justifications, but legally,
> this part at least, seems fairly clear.

actually, as far as I know sorenv is right. I am published by EMI and I have
to clear all the samples I use on song demos with them. If I use a sample in
a song that I lifted I have to list that sample on my song form so EMI can
clear it IF IT BECOMES SOMETHING THAT IS GOING TO GET RELEASED. Do you think
they clear every sample I used? hell no, that would take too much manpower.
They only have to clear them when something's getting released. I also doubt
this applies to single shot samples, only phrases longer than 3 or 4 notes.

Here's a scenario Hypothetically: Say I want to write a song like...
"whatever" by Brittany Spears (god forbid). Someone hires me to do that.
They want the groove and vibe to be the same. I might (hypo) sample
Brittany's song, produce to it, and later take her sample out of the
production. Is that illegal? no way!!! As long as my music doesn't resemble
hers it's fine. If there were melodies copied directly it is against the
law. But using the sample to work with to get the same vibe is not illegal
because it's not being released on the final version.

I played on the Vanilla Ice album, "Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles 2". I am
not proud of this. BUT... the session was a recreation of the Sly song
"Thank you fer lettin me be mice elf". we had to copy what was on the
recording as exactly as possible. Obviously the label was too cheap to pay
Sly for the sound recording, so they hired us to record their own. I think
in this case Sly still gets songwriting credit but whoever owns the masters
can't get a sample license fee. Anyway... about %50 of the gtr sessions I
did in the early 90's went like that.... zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

So to sum up.

if you aren't releasing it on a CD, don't worry.

If you are, clear the stuff first to avoid lawsuits.

enjoy.

Teddy K

-- 
GO SEE 
http://www.teddybut.com and http://www.mp3.com/teddybut
Kumpelstiltskin Music, Inc./EMI Music Publishing
Burning Beagle Studios, Brooklyn, NY

Compelling argument, although sample vendors will no doubt disagree. You do
a good job of articulating a strong argument however. Thanks for your
perspective.

> From: Teddy Kumpel <teddybut@...>
> Reply-To: exs-users@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 21:44:29 -0500
> To: <exs-users@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: [exs] Re: New patch: Congaloop
> 
>> sorenrv wrote:
>> 
>>> Your
>>> concern should be in case you release music to the general public
>>> where you use sounds and/or loops that could be copyright protected.
>> 
>> What's that expression "possession is nine tenths of the law"? I think just
>> having (and using) unpaid for commercial samples is against the spirit of
>> the law (if not the moral paradigm) regardless of whether you release music
>> commercially an/or make money with it or not.
>> 
>> A home hobbiest using an unpaid for commercial sample for pleasure is no
>> less illegal than Michael Jackson using that same sample on a million seller
>> hit. Morally, we can come up with all kinds of justifications, but legally,
>> this part at least, seems fairly clear.
> 
> actually, as far as I know sorenv is right. I am published by EMI and I have
> to clear all the samples I use on song demos with them. If I use a sample in
> a song that I lifted I have to list that sample on my song form so EMI can
> clear it IF IT BECOMES SOMETHING THAT IS GOING TO GET RELEASED. Do you think
> they clear every sample I used? hell no, that would take too much manpower.
> They only have to clear them when something's getting released. I also doubt
> this applies to single shot samples, only phrases longer than 3 or 4 notes.
> 
> Here's a scenario Hypothetically: Say I want to write a song like...
> "whatever" by Brittany Spears (god forbid). Someone hires me to do that.
> They want the groove and vibe to be the same. I might (hypo) sample
> Brittany's song, produce to it, and later take her sample out of the
> production. Is that illegal? no way!!! As long as my music doesn't resemble
> hers it's fine. If there were melodies copied directly it is against the
> law. But using the sample to work with to get the same vibe is not illegal
> because it's not being released on the final version.
> 
> I played on the Vanilla Ice album, "Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles 2". I am
> not proud of this. BUT... the session was a recreation of the Sly song
> "Thank you fer lettin me be mice elf". we had to copy what was on the
> recording as exactly as possible. Obviously the label was too cheap to pay
> Sly for the sound recording, so they hired us to record their own. I think
> in this case Sly still gets songwriting credit but whoever owns the masters
> can't get a sample license fee. Anyway... about %50 of the gtr sessions I
> did in the early 90's went like that.... zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
> 
> So to sum up.
> 
> if you aren't releasing it on a CD, don't worry.
> 
> If you are, clear the stuff first to avoid lawsuits.
> 
> enjoy.
> 
> Teddy K
> 
> -- 
> GO SEE 
> http://www.teddybut.com and http://www.mp3.com/teddybut
> Kumpelstiltskin Music, Inc./EMI Music Publishing
> Burning Beagle Studios, Brooklyn, NY
> 
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Hmm,

Seems to me that you ("HELP" & Teddy, primarily) are speaking about apples
and oranges. AFAI understood Teddy was speaking about lifting samples (vs.
re-recording them) from published records. Therefore his conclusion that
it's OK as long as you don't publish it seems valid to me. You have, after
all, bought the original work and you are allowed to store it on other media
than the original for *personal* use. This, of course, assuming that you
*did* buy the legit piece of work in the first place ;-).

'HELP' was OTOH speaking about samples specifically made for using in
compositional work. And here, again AFAI understand, you cross IP
infringement line the minute you copy, store, or use the stuff (that you
have not bought the right to use), even it it'd be just for "personal" use.

So, two very different scenarios there, methinks.

rgds,

Bj\ufffdrn Elfstr\ufffdm

['HELP' argued:]
> Compelling argument, although sample vendors will no doubt disagree. You
do
> a good job of articulating a strong argument however. Thanks for your
> perspective.

[Teddy argued:]

> > actually, as far as I know sorenv is right. I am published by EMI and I
have
> > to clear all the samples I use on song demos with them. If I use a
sample in
> > a song that I lifted I have to list that sample on my song form so EMI
can
> > clear it IF IT BECOMES SOMETHING THAT IS GOING TO GET RELEASED. Do you
think
> > they clear every sample I used? hell no, that would take too much
manpower.
> > They only have to clear them when something's getting released. I also
doubt
> > this applies to single shot samples, only phrases longer than 3 or 4
notes.

"Bjorn Elfstrom" <bjorn@...> very eloquently wrote:

> Seems to me that you ("HELP" & Teddy, primarily) are speaking about apples
> and oranges. AFAI understood Teddy was speaking about lifting samples (vs.
> re-recording them) from published records.

I was talking about any sample you take from a record or a sample CD or
anything basically. lifting to me means taking it from a record.
 
> 'HELP' was OTOH speaking about samples specifically made for using in
> compositional work. And here, again AFAI understand, you cross IP
> infringement line the minute you copy, store, or use the stuff (that you
> have not bought the right to use), even it it'd be just for "personal" use.

what do you mean? I'm not allowed to copy my leagally bought "distorted
reality" CD (which is pretty cool by the way, Mr. Persing) to my hard drive
for use within my EXS? how unreasonable! I doubt that's illegal. if it is, I
am very surprised as the samples would not work very well in the EXS if they
lived on the CD only. very unpractical.

> 
> So, two very different scenarios there, methinks.
> 

I don't think they're different, but maybe you could clarify...

> rgds,
> 
> Björn Elfström

Teddy K

-- 
GO SEE 
http://www.teddybut.com and http://www.mp3.com/teddybut
Kumpelstiltskin Music, Inc./EMI Music Publishing
Burning Beagle Studios, Brooklyn, NY

Bj\ufffdrn returns tennis ball back to Teddy ;-)

> "Bjorn Elfstrom" <bjorn@...> very eloquently wrote:
>
> > Seems to me that you ("HELP" & Teddy, primarily) are speaking about
apples
> > and oranges. AFAI understood Teddy was speaking about lifting samples
(vs.
> > re-recording them) from published records.

[to which Teddy replied:]
> I was talking about any sample you take from a record or a sample CD or
> anything basically. lifting to me means taking it from a record.

OK, sorry, then I misunderstood you. *I*was specifically referring to
lifting, i.e. sampling off a "normal" record.

[Bj\ufffdrn's original claim:]
> > 'HELP' was OTOH speaking about samples specifically made for using in
> > compositional work. And here, again AFAI understand, you cross IP
> > infringement line the minute you copy, store, or use the stuff (that you
> > have not bought the right to use), even it it'd be just for "personal"
use.

[to which Teddy replied a bit too quickly ;-)]
> what do you mean? I'm not allowed to copy my leagally bought "distorted
> reality" CD (which is pretty cool by the way, Mr. Persing) to my hard
drive
> for use within my EXS? how unreasonable! I doubt that's illegal. if it is,
I
> am very surprised as the samples would not work very well in the EXS if
they
> lived on the CD only. very unpractical.

[and to which Bj\ufffdrn makes a small but important correction:]
sorry Teddy, I was writing this unclearly; here you missed the contents of
one small parenthesis in my reasoning above, namely "(that you have not
bought the right to use)". In other words, I meant a situation where a
person does *anything* with a sample CD that he/she didn't buy or purchase
usage rights in any other way to. I didn't certainly mean that you wouldn't
be allowed to back-up stuff that you've actually bought ;-).

[Teddy concluded that:]
> I don't think they're different, but maybe you could clarify...

do you now see what I mean, or am I still being unclear ;-)?

rgds,

Bj\ufffdrn Elfstr\ufffdm

I'm not sure how you formed this opinion, since I really haven't offered an
opinion about anything except usage of Translator for client services. I
don't understand your comparison because I am simply acknowledging that
Teddy makes a compelling argument for the use of samples without payment.
You add to this string by pointing out, you must first own the original
recording in order to use it for various types of personal use. It's an
excellent rebuttal to his argument and the kind of thought workout I enjoy
reading on this list. I like what you're saying, but I don't know how you
came to the conclusion that I'm putting forth any kind of argument about
this subject... I haven't really expressed my opinions about it. -Jer (HELP)

> From: "Bjorn Elfstrom" <bjorn@...>
> Organization: Solution 42
> Reply-To: exs-users@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 11:28:42 +0200
> To: <exs-users@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: Re: [exs] Re: New patch: Congaloop
> 
> Hmm,
> 
> Seems to me that you ("HELP" & Teddy, primarily) are speaking about apples
> and oranges. AFAI understood Teddy was speaking about lifting samples (vs.
> re-recording them) from published records. Therefore his conclusion that
> it's OK as long as you don't publish it seems valid to me. You have, after
> all, bought the original work and you are allowed to store it on other media
> than the original for *personal* use. This, of course, assuming that you
> *did* buy the legit piece of work in the first place ;-).
> 
> 'HELP' was OTOH speaking about samples specifically made for using in
> compositional work. And here, again AFAI understand, you cross IP
> infringement line the minute you copy, store, or use the stuff (that you
> have not bought the right to use), even it it'd be just for "personal" use.
> 
> So, two very different scenarios there, methinks.
> 
> rgds,
> 
> Björn Elfström
> 
> ['HELP' argued:]
>> Compelling argument, although sample vendors will no doubt disagree. You
> do
>> a good job of articulating a strong argument however. Thanks for your
>> perspective.
> 
> [Teddy argued:]
> 
>>> actually, as far as I know sorenv is right. I am published by EMI and I
> have
>>> to clear all the samples I use on song demos with them. If I use a
> sample in
>>> a song that I lifted I have to list that sample on my song form so EMI
> can
>>> clear it IF IT BECOMES SOMETHING THAT IS GOING TO GET RELEASED. Do you
> think
>>> they clear every sample I used? hell no, that would take too much
> manpower.
>>> They only have to clear them when something's getting released. I also
> doubt
>>> this applies to single shot samples, only phrases longer than 3 or 4
> notes.
> 
> 
> 
> 
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"Bjorn Elfstrom" <bjorn@...> very eloquently wrote:

> Björn returns tennis ball back to Teddy ;-)
>> 
>>> Seems to me that you ("HELP" & Teddy, primarily) are speaking about apples
>>> and oranges. AFAI understood Teddy was speaking about lifting samples (vs.
>>> re-recording them) from published records.
>>> 
> [to which Teddy replied:] I was talking about any sample you take from a
> record or a sample CD or anything basically. lifting to me means taking it
> from a record.
> 
> OK, sorry, then I misunderstood you. *I*was specifically referring to lifting,
> i.e. sampling off a "normal" record.

ok good we're talking about the same thing... just something you don't own
the rights to basically.

> 
> [Björn's original claim:] 'HELP' was OTOH speaking about samples specifically
> made for using in compositional work. And here, again AFAI understand, you
> cross IP infringement line the minute you copy, store, or use the stuff (that
> you have not bought the right to use), even it it'd be just for "personal"
> use.
> 
> [to which Teddy replied a bit too quickly ;-)] what do you mean? I'm not
> allowed to copy my leagally bought "distorted reality" CD (which is pretty
> cool by the way, Mr. Persing) to my hard drive for use within my EXS? how
> unreasonable! I doubt that's illegal. if it is, I am very surprised as the
> samples would not work very well in the EXS if they lived on the CD only. very
> unpractical.
> 
> [and to which Björn makes a small but important correction:] sorry Teddy, I
> was writing this unclearly; here you missed the contents of one small
> parenthesis in my reasoning above, namely "(that you have not bought the right
> to use)". In other words, I meant a situation where a person does *anything*
> with a sample CD that he/she didn't buy or purchase usage rights in any other
> way to. I didn't certainly mean that you wouldn't be allowed to back-up stuff
> that you've actually bought ;-).

yes... aha... you are right that would be stealing, I missed the
parentheses. Sorry I'm too quick...

Teddy K

-- GO SEE http://www.teddybut.com and http://www.mp3.com/teddybut
Kumpelstiltskin Music, Inc./EMI Music Publishing Burning Beagle Studios,
Brooklyn, NY