EXS 24 Logic Sampler Users Group

Thanks Colin for that info!

So, maybe it's a little early for this kind of thread but... why would an 
owner of EXS24 spend 230 bucks on Kontakt? After taking a good look at the 
specs, the only big deal I can think of is the variety of filters. Time and 
pitch shifting is ok, but I won't hold my breath regarding the quality of 
the process. The enveloppes? The effects (oh god, we have enough already 
outside of the Kontakt box, dontcha think?)? The fact that it's modular?

Just wondering out loud.

Ned



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       Ned Bouhalassa

n e d @ n e d f x . c o m

>
>but... why would an
>owner of EXS24 spend 230 bucks on Kontakt?

if the quality of the filters are approaching that offered by something like 
the EMU E64 series Samplers then it's worth it, I still use the EMU for 
making certain sounds fit in a mix even now although it's a very ungainly 
way of working compared to the EXS.

what we really need is a range of decent filters on the EXS surely it's not 
too difficult for emagic now? maybe they could cannibalise some of the code 
from the ES2? [hasn't that got sophisticated filters?]  I know the EXS is 
supposed to be a kind of workhorse sampler but we could really do with some 
different filters.

pete diggs

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Gee Ned....aren't you excited about reconverting all your sounds to a new 
format?

That way you could be using the latest tools that do the same things as you 
already have. If you don't have the latest stuff, then what will the 
neighbors think?

Or are you one of those weirdos that thinks that he should concentrate on 
making music?

:-)

Seriously though, Kontakt is neat...but primarily as a sound design/mangling 
tool. The time-streching stuff is just like in Reactor...pretty edgy and 
warped sounding....great for weird granular electro stuff, not so good for 
straight applications. I prefer the elegance of the EXS for straight ahead 
sampling and library management. It's really the best IMO of all the samplers 
at getting the balance right between power and ease of use.

Long live the EXS!!

Love live Kontakt!!

More great tools for the whole family.

Best,

EP

In a message dated 9/17/02 9:44:55 AM, ned@... writes:

>So, maybe it's a little early for this kind of thread but... why would
>an 
>owner of EXS24 spend 230 bucks on Kontakt? After taking a good look at
>the 
>specs, the only big deal I can think of is the variety of filters. Time
>and 
>pitch shifting is ok, but I won't hold my breath regarding the quality
>of 
>the process. The enveloppes? The effects (oh god, we have enough already
>
>outside of the Kontakt box, dontcha think?)? The fact that it's modular?
>
>Just wondering out loud.

I imagine we'll see a very groovy update to the EXS in the future. Emagic 
doesn't want to relinquish the sampler coolness factor to another German 
company...they're too competitive for that!

And like you said...they've already got some terrific in-house filter 
algorithms.....

I think it's just a matter of time....

I agree that it's better to wait, than to learn an entirely new system, that 
is in its 1.00 state. EXS is pretty mature and happening now.

Course if you're a tweaker nut like me.....you'll be all over it!

-EP
 
In a message dated 9/17/02 11:27:14 AM, itsthenoise@... writes:

>what we really need is a range of decent filters on the EXS surely it's
>not 
>too difficult for emagic now? maybe they could cannibalise some of the
>code 
>from the ES2? [hasn't that got sophisticated filters?]  I know the EXS
>is 
>supposed to be a kind of workhorse sampler but we could really do with
>some 
>different filters.

Hi

There are 2 major differences.
Kontakt is not a logic only product, so you can use it within other 
programs. 
Kontakt will work stand alone.

I have ordered my PC crossgrade, mainly because I will not be taking 
the Apple crossgrade path. Maybe in a few years time when I need a new 
notebook I will reconsider logic and apple again.

regards
LjGarrett

----- Original Message -----
From: Ned Bouhalassa <ned@...>
Date: Wednesday, September 18, 2002 2:43 am

Subject: Re: [exs] Kontakt for Mac

> Thanks Colin for that info!
> 
> So, maybe it's a little early for this kind of thread but... why 
> would an 
> owner of EXS24 spend 230 bucks on Kontakt? After taking a good 
> look at the 
> specs, the only big deal I can think of is the variety of filters. 
> Time and 
> pitch shifting is ok, but I won't hold my breath regarding the 
> quality of 
> the process. The enveloppes? The effects (oh god, we have enough 
> already 
> outside of the Kontakt box, dontcha think?)? The fact that it's 
> modular?
> Just wondering out loud.
> 
> Ned
> 
> 
> 
> http://www.nedfx.com
> 
>       Ned Bouhalassa
> 
> n e d @ n e d f x . c o m
> 
> 
> 
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--- In exs-users@y..., Ned Bouhalassa <ned@n...> wrote:
> Thanks Colin for that info!
> 
> So, maybe it's a little early for this kind of thread but... why 
would an 
> owner of EXS24 spend 230 bucks on Kontakt? 


Hy,
I think EXS and Kontakt are very complementary (I hope such a word 
exist ;o)   )  and I am enjoying to have both...

Kontakt is very good to expand your creativity with samples, to let 
you try things it would be a pain in the ass to do with EXS.

One example:
A great thing about Kontakt is its ability to make quick program for 
just one song.  
For instance, you are on a song and you think that you should add a 
weird sax effect (why not? ;o)  )  
You open an instance of kontakt, you listen to some sax samples, you 
drag'n'drop 3 samples in the mapping editor, in one mouse movement, 
you just create a program with 3 samples on three zone of your choice 
(the mapping editor is such great in kontakt, I wish the exs had the 
same).
You could tweak the sound with the effect of kontakt, etc.
But one of the most great thing is that you do not have to save your 
program, you leave it in your song, you save your song, and when you 
will load your song another time... bingo, all is here!!
It is perfect for experimentation...