EXS 24 Logic Sampler Users Group

No problem Henk,

I never found the solution and the guru's on the EXS list never picked 
up the issue.  It just doesn't seem to work.  I'm going to post this 
and see if we get any interest...I have several instruments that make 
use of release samples..it certainly adds realism..

Julie

On Friday, April 11, 2003, at 01:25  PM, nethag1967 wrote:

> Hi Julie,
>
> I know it's a bit forward to mail you personally but it concerns
> quite an old thread on the Exs group.
>
> It's about the release keys: I have the same problem and was
> wondering if you have fixed it yet? I'm still trying to fix it
> because I desperately need the sound to change after the key's
> released. But all samples play at the keydown. Even the groups I
> trigger on key release.
>
> If you can help I'd be much obliged, if not I will inform you
> when/if I solved the puzzle.
>
> Thanks for your time,
>
> Henk
>
>
>

I guess something could be done using the logic modules in the 
environment. I guess the "transformer" should be able to do the 
trick. With this module you can transform note-on to note-off and 
vice versa. By routing it between your MIDI-input and your 
audio-instrument it should do the trick.. I guess!

Hope this helps. Greets, Daan



>No problem Henk,
>
>I never found the solution and the guru's on the EXS list never picked
>up the issue.  It just doesn't seem to work.  I'm going to post this
>and see if we get any interest...I have several instruments that make
>use of release samples..it certainly adds realism..
>
>Julie
>
>
>On Friday, April 11, 2003, at 01:25  PM, nethag1967 wrote:
>
>>  Hi Julie,
>>
>>  I know it's a bit forward to mail you personally but it concerns
>>  quite an old thread on the Exs group.
>>
>>  It's about the release keys: I have the same problem and was
>>  wondering if you have fixed it yet? I'm still trying to fix it
>>  because I desperately need the sound to change after the key's
>>  released. But all samples play at the keydown. Even the groups I
>>  trigger on key release.
>>
>>  If you can help I'd be much obliged, if not I will inform you
>>  when/if I solved the puzzle.
>>
>>  Thanks for your time,
>>
>>  Henk
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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On a fine day, 12-04-2003, Daniel wrote:

>  >I never found the solution and the guru's on the EXS list never picked
>>up the issue.  It just doesn't seem to work.  I'm going to post this
>>and see if we get any interest...I have several instruments that make
>  >use of release samples..it certainly adds realism..
>
>I guess something could be done using the logic modules in the
>environment. I guess the "transformer" should be able to do the
>trick. With this module you can transform note-on to note-off and
>vice versa. By routing it between your MIDI-input and your
>audio-instrument it should do the trick.. I guess!

You're implying that the trigger on release in the EXS doesn't work? 
Weird...  I never tried it, but would suspect to have heard more 
complaints if this is true.  I'm way too busy right now to look into 
it, but maybe someone else knows more about it?  Any takers?

And yes, you could indeed use the environment to transform note-ons 
into note-offs.  Fairly simple in fact, although I wouldn't resort to 
such a workaround unless I was 100% sure that it's needed.

I'd be curious to hear from others who've worked with release samples...

-- 
Hendrik Jan Veenstra  <h@...>
Omega Art: http://www.omega-art.com/

Thanks for the reply Hendrick,

I've tried everything I could think of.   I can trigger a sample with 
note on but when I set the same sample to trigger with note 
off...nothing....I asked about this @ 2 months ago on the list...no 
takers.  I get the impression that no one has tried it.  Surprising 
considering that Sam Horns has instruments that make use of release 
samples...I know there are quite a few people on the list using them.  
It is hard to imagine that is really doesn't work...I keep thinking I'm 
missing something.

Julie



On Saturday, April 12, 2003, at 12:58  PM, Hendrik Jan Veenstra wrote:

> On a fine day, 12-04-2003, Daniel wrote:
>
> >  >I never found the solution and the guru's on the EXS list never 
> picked
> >>up the issue.  It just doesn't seem to work.  I'm going to post this
> >>and see if we get any interest...I have several instruments that make
> >  >use of release samples..it certainly adds realism..
> >
> >I guess something could be done using the logic modules in the
> >environment. I guess the "transformer" should be able to do the
> >trick. With this module you can transform note-on to note-off and
> >vice versa. By routing it between your MIDI-input and your
> >audio-instrument it should do the trick.. I guess!
>
> You're implying that the trigger on release in the EXS doesn't work?
> Weird...  I never tried it, but would suspect to have heard more
> complaints if this is true.  I'm way too busy right now to look into
> it, but maybe someone else knows more about it?  Any takers?
>
> And yes, you could indeed use the environment to transform note-ons
> into note-offs.  Fairly simple in fact, although I wouldn't resort to
> such a workaround unless I was 100% sure that it's needed.
>
> I'd be curious to hear from others who've worked with release 
> samples...
>
> --
> Hendrik Jan Veenstra  <h@...>
> Omega Art: http://www.omega-art.com/
>
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Hi all,
I found something interesting:
We must insert a "DECAY" to have the release trigger ON !
On the same line than "release Trigger" you have to insert some decay ( 200
or more....) whatever the "ms" is "on" or not !

it works good here but don't forget to SAVE and Reload the EXS Instrument
( boring !!)

Igor

On a fine day, 12-04-2003, Julie Larson wrote:

>Thanks for the reply Hendrick,
>
>I've tried everything I could think of.   I can trigger a sample with
>note on but when I set the same sample to trigger with note
>off...nothing....I asked about this @ 2 months ago on the list...no
>takers.  I get the impression that no one has tried it.  Surprising
>considering that Sam Horns has instruments that make use of release
>samples...I know there are quite a few people on the list using them. 
>It is hard to imagine that is really doesn't work...I keep thinking I'm
>missing something.

I just saw Igor's reply, saying that you need to set Decay to >0 for 
the release triggers to work.  Makes sense, if you think about it 
(although I would have expected it to be Release instead of Decay... 
oh well...).  Does that indeed solve the problem? (still no time to 
try it out myself...)

-- 
Hendrik Jan Veenstra  <h@...>
Omega Art: http://www.omega-art.com/

Hey thanks Igor,
I haven't had a chance to try this...it has been a crazy week...that's 
a good thing...but I'll try it this weekend.  Thanks so for your help.

Julie



On Sunday, April 13, 2003, at 03:58  AM, yael wrote:

> Hi all,
> I found something interesting:
> We must insert a "DECAY" to have the release trigger ON !
> On the same line than "release Trigger" you have to insert some decay 
> ( 200
> or more....) whatever the "ms" is "on" or not !
>
> it works good here but don't forget to SAVE and Reload the EXS 
> Instrument
> ( boring !!)
>
> Igor
>
>
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>
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