EXS 24 Logic Sampler Users Group

Does anyone know how to do what I'd the EXS24mkII to do?

I want to have a sampled Violins patch consisting of:

PP, MF, and FF long samples, that are velocity switched and velocity 
crossfaded.

AND, 

I want it to when I apply MOD WHEEL (CTRL#1), the whole keyboard 
switches to:

Tremelo Violins. PP, MF, FF, that are also velocity switched and velocity 
crossfaded.

I would even settle for all of the above without Velocity crossfading. Does 
anyone have an idea how to do this?

I have a feeling it'll have something to do with Zones, Groups, and Sample 
Select.

Thanks,
Evan Evans
Film Composer

On a fine day, 29-04-2003, Evan Evans wrote:

>Does anyone know how to do what I'd the EXS24mkII to do?
>
>I want to have a sampled Violins patch consisting of:
>
>PP, MF, and FF long samples, that are velocity switched and velocity
>crossfaded.
>
>AND,
>
>I want it to when I apply MOD WHEEL (CTRL#1), the whole keyboard
>switches to:
>
>Tremelo Violins. PP, MF, FF, that are also velocity switched and velocity
>crossfaded.
>
>I would even settle for all of the above without Velocity crossfading. Does
>anyone have an idea how to do this?
>
>I have a feeling it'll have something to do with Zones, Groups, and Sample
>Select.

Correct feeling :-).  Set up 6 groups.  Let's suppose groups 1,2,3 
are pp, mf and ff long samples, and groups 4,5,6 are tremolo pp, mf 
and ff respectively.

In group 1, set 'Select range' to 1-40, in group 2 set this to 41-80 
and in group 3 it's 81-127.  Do the exact same for groups 4-6.  This 
will give you velocity crossfading between dynamics.
Then in groups 1,2 3, in the first 'Select by' slot, pick 'Ctrl' and 
'1', and in the 'Ctrl Range' slots enter 0-63.
In groups 4,5,6, also set 'Select by' to Ctrl 1, and set the 'Ctrl 
Range' to 64-127.

Save the instrument, close the Instrument editor, and in the EXS 
interface dial in a non-zero value in the 'Amount' field (left side 
of the window, right above the 1st modulation matrix thingy).  This 
value determines the amount of crossfading.

Now finally deal with the first modulation matrix slot.  Make sure 
Dest is set to Sample Select, 'via' is empty, and Src is velocity.

Now when the modwheel is between 0 and 63, you'll be playing the 
velocity xfaded long samples, and with modwheel between 64 and 127, 
you'll play the velocity xfaded tremolo.

I don't know how well this will sound though.  In my experience, 
velocity xfading natural instruments tends to give a kind of 
"doubled" effect in the xfade region, instead of the intended gradual 
fade.  And note that the above setup does _not_ provide an xfade 
between regular and tremolo samples.  It's unfortunately not possible 
to have 2 different kinds of crossfades happen simultaneously.  Would 
be possible with some basic environment patching, but that's a 
different story....

-- 
Hendrik Jan Veenstra  <h@...>
Omega Art: http://www.omega-art.com/

Well my friend, this sounds like the way to do it. I guess I was getting too 
caught up in having velocity be my sample select and instead the EXS24 
natively has it's own parameter for velocity switching and I should have 
focused the solution in using the sample select switching with Controller#1. 
Thanks so much for this. And, actually when using sections, I a can make 
some pretty convincing Xfaded velocity zones, but not for solo instruments. 
The doubling effect works well if the the two samples are well tuned to each 
other and you use DB type crossfading (parobolic curve) as opposed to equal 
gain.

One more follow up question...

Using this technique could I set up lot's of different controllers to switch on and 
off different sample groups? What would be an efficient way to say, create a 
Violin Section consisting of 4 possibles:

Long
Tremelo
Pizzicato
Marcato

Each crossfaded via velocity in 3 velocities of PP, MF, and FF ?

Thank you very much for your thorough response. I am a film composer and 
deadlines are important. Your helpful answer will save me a lot of time. I am 
indebted to your wisdom.

Evan Evans

On a fine day, 29-04-2003, Evan Evans wrote:

>And, actually when using sections, I a can make
>some pretty convincing Xfaded velocity zones, but not for solo instruments.

Ah, yes, you're right of course -- I *was* thinking of solo 
instruments indeed and not of ensembles...

>One more follow up question...
>
>Using this technique could I set up lot's of different controllers 
>to switch on and off different sample groups? What would be an 
>efficient way to say, create a Violin Section consisting of 4 
>possibles:
>
>Long
>Tremelo
>Pizzicato
>Marcato
>
>Each crossfaded via velocity in 3 velocities of PP, MF, and FF ?

Not sure if I completely get what you want, but it seems you could 
use the 'Select by' parameter in each group.  Set e.g. group 1 to 
Select by Ctrl 1, range 64-127, set group 2 to Select by Ctrl 2, 
range 64-127, etc.

Now sending a Ctrl 1 message >63 will switch on group 1 (or 3 
velocity faded groups if you want).  Sending a Ctrl 2 >63 will switch 
on group 2, etc. This way different controllers switch on different 
groups.
Now just have each controller switch on *3* groups simultaneously, 
the 3 groups being the 3 dynamic levels of one instrument.  3 such 
groups have their 'Select range' parameters set to 0-40, 41-80 and 
81-127 to provide crossfading within the 3 groups, while the 'select 
by' parameter determines if the groups are switched on _at all_.

This is exactly identical to what I posted yesterday, except that you 
use the 'Select by' with different controllers for different 
instruments.

Is this clear or not?  I just got out of bed, so my mind isn't fully 
up to speed yet :-).

>Your helpful answer will save me a lot of time. I am indebted to your wisdom.

Hey, there's a difference between knowledge and wisdom, okay? :-) 
I'm glad to have been of help though...  And just let me know if the 
above isn't clear or mis-interprets your question.


-- 
Hendrik Jan Veenstra  <h@...>
Omega Art: http://www.omega-art.com/

When I try to Convert a Recycle file (.rx2) with the EXS24 now, I get the error
message "Couldn't load the REX shared Library. The file may be corrupt. Please
re-install REX, then try again"

Anybody have a clue? Because I sure don't!

G4 867
10.2.0
(LAP 6.1, 6 and 5.5 - tried all 3)
 


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--- Patrick Hall <pbone3b@...> wrote:
> When I try to Convert a Recycle file (.rx2) with the EXS24 now, I get the
> error message "Couldn't load the REX shared Library. The file may be corrupt.
> Please re-install REX, then try again"
> 
> Anybody have a clue? Because I sure don't!
> 
> G4 867
> 10.2.0
> (LAP 6.1, 6 and 5.5 - tried all 3)

--- Patrick Hall <pbone3b@...> wrote:
> When I try to Convert a Recycle file (.rx2) with the EXS24 now, I get the
> error message "Couldn't load the REX shared Library. The file may be corrupt.
> Please re-install REX, then try again"
> 
> Anybody have a clue? Because I sure don't!
> 
> G4 867
> 10.2.0
> (LAP 6.1, 6 and 5.5 - tried all 3)

Found it! 
Mad props to the "Props" 

http://www.propellerheads.se/support/reason/techfaq.html#mac_logic61

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>When I try to Convert a Recycle file (.rx2) with the EXS24 now, I 
>get the error
>message "Couldn't load the REX shared Library. The file may be corrupt. Please
>re-install REX, then try again"
>
>Anybody have a clue? Because I sure don't!
>
>G4 867
>10.2.0
>(LAP 6.1, 6 and 5.5 - tried all 3)

Hi Patrick,

I have a file called <REX shared Library> in */Library/Application Support/

Should I send you a copy? (216k)

Regards - Colin

--- Colin Shapiro <musos@...> wrote:
> Hi Patrick,
> 
> I have a file called <REX shared Library> in */Library/Application Support/
> 
> Should I send you a copy? (216k)
> 
> Regards - Colin

Sorry, my previous post was a little unclear. I'm home sick today and I tried
respoded to myself... Doh

But I found it on the propellerheads site:
http://www.propellerheads.se/support/reason/techfaq.html#mac_logic61






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and sound comes out the other end and 
disrupts the cosmos."

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