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2003-05-12 by Jeff Fisher
I'm ready to pop for the Vienna Symphonic Library Orch cube...but with the Performance Cube for EXS24 just around the corner I was wondering if I should wait for this (the legato tool sounds like just the ticket). Does anybody know if owning the Performance cube would make the Orchestral cube redundant, or do the sounds complement each other? Jeff
2003-05-13 by jake_broad
Jeff, The compliment each other - The Pro Edition will make the First Edition redundant but if you buy in now you will automatically qualify as a VIP member and qualify for the discounts etc. JK --- In exs-users@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Fisher <jefisher@v...> wrote: > I'm ready to pop for the Vienna Symphonic Library Orch cube...but with > the Performance Cube for EXS24 just around the corner I was wondering > if I should wait for this (the legato tool sounds like just the > ticket). Does anybody know if owning the Performance cube would make > the Orchestral cube redundant, or do the sounds complement each other? > > Jeff
2003-05-13 by Nick Batzdorf
From: Jeff Fisher <jefisher@...> >I'm ready to pop for the Vienna Symphonic Library Orch cube...but with >the Performance Cube for EXS24 just around the corner I was wondering >if I should wait for this (the legato tool sounds like just the >ticket). Does anybody know if owning the Performance cube would make >the Orchestral cube redundant, or do the sounds complement each other? The Performance Set has additional samples - legato, octave runs, and all that. So sure the sounds complement each other. You should check out their website if you haven't done so already: http://vsl.co.at/. -- Nick Batzdorf 818/905-9101, cell 590-9101, fax 905-5434
2003-05-13 by bob_vandiver
Nick Batzdorf <recording@e...> wrote: > The Performance Set has additional samples - legato, octave runs, and > all that. So sure the sounds complement each other. > > You should check out their website if you haven't done so already: > http://vsl.co.at/. The performance set adds sounds, so in that sense they complement each other. What, however, does the Cube have that the Performance set does not have? Bob Vandiver
2003-05-13 by jeff_cardoni
You can use the Cube without the Performance Set. The cube has the standard multisamples - sustains, stacattos, pizz, etc. You can do pretty much anything with the Cube. The Performance set augments it, you get the legato instruments, and runs and repitions, which make for more realistic phrases. However, the legato tool and instruments (especially the legato woodwinds) are amazing - the way it connects the notes must be heard to be appreciated. You just play normally and it switches for you to make really fluid sounding runs. This is what sold me on VSL and I will never use standard samples after using the Performance Legatos found in the Performance Set. Hope that clears it up a bit. In a perfect world, buy both. But if you have other orchestral samples, definitely check out the Performance Set if you can only buy one. It's really revolutionary. Oh, I'm basing this on the Giga version, the EXS isn't out for a few weeks. Just for the record.....
2003-05-14 by Paul H. Smith
Here is a list of instruments in the VSL Performance Set: http://vsl.co.at/static/products/prod_com_perform_eng.htm As you can see, it looks like the Perf. Set has the full basic orchestra library itself. Others have asked if the Perf. Set is needed if one already has the Cube. But I'd like to turn it around: ... can one do a reasonably good job using JUST the Perf. Set, or are the instruments listed above only sampled for certain types of "performance elements" like runs, repetitions, etc.? In other words, if one has the Perf. Set, is the Cube also *needed* to make an orchestral performance? (Obviously, I have neither one. But I have ordered the Perf. Set already.) Thanks! - Paul
2003-05-14 by jeff_cardoni
You can't just use the Performance set by itself - you only get legato patches. Therefore, there are no sustains, Stacattos, Trills, etc., plus no percussion except for the harp glisses - basically it doesn't have the standard orchestra patches, such as Miroslav or Advanced Orchestra. You can use the Performance set to augment existing libraries, however. But if you have nothing else and just want to buy the performance set, you would be missing many crucial patches. Jeff
2003-05-15 by Jeremy Martin
(redirected from the LUG to EXS-Users)
From: "yael" <yael@...> To: logic-users@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu May 15, 2003 5:07am Subject: Re: VSL Questions From: "jeff_cardoni" <jeff_cardoni@y...> Subject: Re: VSL Questions You can't just use the Performance set by itself - you only get legato patches. Therefore, there are no sustains, Stacattos, Trills, etc., plus no percussion except for the harp glisses - basically it doesn't have the standard orchestra patches, such as Miroslav or Advanced Orchestra. You can use the Performance set to augment existing libraries, however. But if you have nothing else and just want to buy the performance set, you would be missing many crucial patches. ****************** So, people who don't have money can create something but not so good than people who have money to buy the full version. this is the exact same "elitist" way of thinking than "musical" structures and Europeen Music School. Igor
2003-05-15 by jeff_cardoni
> ****************** > So, people who don't have money can create something but not so good than > people who have money to buy the full version. > this is the exact same "elitist" way of thinking than "musical" structures > and Europeen Music School. > > Igor That's the weakest argument I've ever heard! The Vienna people spent a fortune I'm sure producing this library - and they should just give it to you? It's not elitist - it's business. They have to sell X number of copies at X price to break even. I couldn't buy the whole set yet either, but I don't blame them for it. There are plenty of less expensive orchestral libraries that people have been creating amazing music with for years. It just cracks me up - these people tried (and succeeded)to raise the bar in orchestral sampling - which comes at a price - and you try and knock them down for not sending you a free copy...
2003-05-16 by Cyril Blanc
On 16/05/03 0:30, "jeff_cardoni" <jeff_cardoni@...> wrote: > >> > ****************** >> > So, people who don't have money can create something but not so > good than >> > people who have money to buy the full version. >> > this is the exact same "elitist" way of thinking than "musical" > structures >> > and Europeen Music School. >> > >> > Igor > > That's the weakest argument I've ever heard! The Vienna people spent > a fortune I'm sure producing this library - and they should just give > it to you? It's not elitist - it's business. They have to sell X > number of copies at X price to break even. I couldn't buy the whole > set yet either, but I don't blame them for it. There are plenty of > less expensive orchestral libraries that people have been creating > amazing music with for years. It just cracks me up - these people > tried (and succeeded)to raise the bar in orchestral sampling - which > comes at a price - and you try and knock them down for not sending > you a free copy... > I agree on what said Igor. Who can afford to pay 5 000 Euro for the whole VSL, to buy one or 2 PC with Gigasampler Big studios ! Best regards Cyril Blanc France If you want to be sure I read your answer leave my name in it ! Spam mails are directly going to trash [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2003-05-16 by Hendrik Jan Veenstra
On a fine day, 16-05-2003, Cyril Blanc wrote: >I agree on what said Igor. >Who can afford to pay 5 000 Euro for the whole VSL, to buy one or 2 PC with >Gigasampler > >Big studios ! I guess Logic Platinum then also is an elitist product, since it's so much more expensive than Silver, right? With Platinum you can do things you can't do with Silver, so to have the full benefit of the product you have to buy the most expensive version. To quote Igor: "So, people who don't have money can create something but not so good than people who have money to buy the full version." Yep, that's true for Platinum vs Silver as well... No disrespect to either you or Igor, but this line of thinking simply doesn't hold water imo. -- Hendrik Jan Veenstra <h@...> Omega Art: http://www.omega-art.com/
2003-05-16 by Nick Batzdorf
>So, people who don't have money can create something but not so good than >people who have money to buy the full version. >this is the exact same "elitist" way of thinking than "musical" structures >and Europeen Music School. > >Igor Bach didn't have the Orchestral Cube when he wrote the solo cello suites (using elitist Europeen [sic] "musical" structures). All kinds of phantom lines seem to be dancing around even though they're not being played. -- Nick Batzdorf 818/905-9101, cell 590-9101, fax 905-5434
2003-05-16 by yael
> amazing music with for years. It just cracks me up - these people > tried (and succeeded)to raise the bar in orchestral sampling - which > comes at a price - and you try and knock them down for not sending > you a free copy... Cyril said: I agree on what said Igor. Who can afford to pay 5 000 Euro for the whole VSL, to buy one or 2 PC with Gigasampler ************* the price is not my concern, it can be 5$ and 10$... my concern and my reflexion are about the fact that there is one price for people and a price for other people, that's all ! it is not a judgement, they can do what they want, even sell the library at 50.000$ if they want ! VSL is a good library, that's not the problem. igor
2003-05-16 by Gilles Ruppert
On 16/5/03 16:52, "yael" <yael@...> wrote: > > ************* > the price is not my concern, it can be 5$ and 10$... > my concern and my reflexion are about the fact that there is one price for > people and a price for other people, that's all ! What do you mean?!? AFAIK the price is the same for everybody. If you refer to the VIP price: you should see that as an offer for people who supported the VSL from the start, before it was completely finished (i.e. Pro version). If you mean the cube & the performance set: they are both different products: you can also work with the cube alone, BUT if you want to take advantage of their special legato sets, etc, you have to pay some extra money. Would you prefer just having the option of buying the cube & performance set together?!? I¹m sorry if I understood you wrong, in either way, I don¹t want to offend, I just try to understand the reasoning behind your argument! Cheers, Gilles [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2003-05-16 by teddybut
> ****************** > So, people who don't have money can create something but not so good than > people who have money to buy the full version. > this is the exact same "elitist" way of thinking than "musical" structures > and Europeen Music School. > > Igor Is it worth $5000 to you and you don't have the money? or do you think it's over priced? I don't anything about it, I'm just asking cause some people gave you shit for your complaint. teddybut
2003-05-19 by Cyril Blanc
On 16/05/03 19:51, "teddybut" <teddybut@...> wrote: >> > ****************** >> > So, people who don't have money can create something but not so good than >> > people who have money to buy the full version. >> > this is the exact same "elitist" way of thinking than "musical" structures >> > and Europeen Music School. >> > >> > Igor > > Is it worth $5000 to you and you don't have the money? > or do you think it's over priced? > I don't anything about it, I'm just asking cause some people gave you shit > for your complaint. > > teddybut > The problem is that you need a big MAC with 2 ot 4 GB of Memory ! Or some Gigastudioed PC¹s (1 Or 2) That makes the addition heavy, and there are no guarantee from VSL to be able to support x instruments on what so ever MAC ! Best regards Cyril Blanc France If you want to be sure I read your answer leave my name in it ! Spam mails are directly going to trash [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2003-05-19 by Jeff PARENT
> The problem is that you need a big MAC with 2 ot 4 GB of Memory ! Or some > Gigastudioed PC¹s (1 Or 2) > That makes the addition heavy, and there are no guarantee from VSL to be > able to support x instruments on what so ever MAC ! > > Best regards > > Cyril Blanc > France > > If you want to be sure I read your answer leave my name in it ! > Spam mails are directly going to trash Bonjour, hello How many Sample cell cards did we need to use Vitous's library ? How much the library ? How much each card ? VSL perhaps is not made for actual machines so let's wait. Do you think they have started this library's development (when ?) in front of today's limitations ? Can you imagine a (only) 1000 Euros/Dollars complete library obsolet next year ? Don't you prefer a library you'll keep for years ? We can compare with sound FX library before Direct to Disk. Today, what would you do with FX limited to 1 Mo to fit Floppies limitations ? I think like having a great room for recording musicians but too small to record everybody at the same time. I think like having great microphones but not enough to record everybody at the same time. Actually, I discover the EXS demo's instruments and I think that I can have a better Tuba than before, even If I can't have the whole B&W section. I know it's a butcher, this tuba player, but he's studying :=) You also have the solution of using Virtuoso and a little of VSL like having Vitous and add some "real"... Sorry for my Frenchy english... And really, VSL is not an expensive thing... I can imagine the price if Digidesign had developped it... IMHO