Re: [gsp-2101] amp and CAB comparison continued.....
2007-08-03 by Glenjamin
Hey Hari, I never tried the valvestate. I did compare the Marshall 9200 to the ADAB200S and the ADA had a truly uncolored mix with fantastic harmonics.The 9200's harmonics sounded brittle and some what harsh. The lovley Marshalls scoop can be achieved with the ADA if you use the master EQ on the 2101. If your a die hard tube fan get a shock mount rack. The main reason I prefer the ADAB200S is it is unbreakable, 16 LBS, self adjusting Ohms, great tone and around $80 used. I play out 2-4 times a month and my back knows the difference. NOTE: The first ADAB200S I got for $150 and the second for $80. eBay vs. Craigs list??? As for speaker cabs, I am down to four cabs. For band one I leave my 1960A in the truck. For band B I leave a (dare I say it) Behringer BG412F in there truck. Believe it or not for $200 the NEW BG412F had 4 Jensen 100W speakers and a thick multiply wood construction and stereo/mono switch. The wheels suck big time. But for something to smash up on the road that sounds better than my 1960A it was a deal. The BG412F cab has a easy mid section to give it a smooth scooped tone. It moves air very well like the vintage 30's. The most popular 412 would be the greenback setup$$$
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----- Original Message ----
From: Hari Floura <scorpio65@yahoo.com>
To: gsp-2101@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, August 2, 2007 1:04:11 PM
Subject: Re: [gsp-2101] amp comparison continued.....
So if I have you right, the ADA has all the plus points of the Marshall (other then the scoop) and none of the negatives (?). Still, have to admit weight is not an issue for me as my rig never moves from the room it occupies (I just a boy with his toys! ). Did you ever have a chance to compare it with a Marshall valvestate amp? Also what about speakers cabs? I am planning on building a 4x12 stereo cab to replace the 1x12's I am using presently. I picked up 2 more celestions and now just need to find some time to spend in the wood shop (after I finish the home
improvement project I promised to the better half !)
Hari
----- Original Message ----
From: Glenjamin <rhythmposse@ yahoo.com>
To: gsp-2101@yahoogroup s.com
Sent: Thursday, August 2, 2007 11:44:28 AM
Subject: Re: [gsp-2101] amp comparison continued... ..
Mullards are keepers! I did numerous switches with JJ, Fender/Sovtek, Mesa, Marshall, Groove ax7, Phillips and RFT. The RFT's were by far the best in offering a NON-INSECT attracting overtone with killer gain. Almost fizzless with SUPER low microphonics. Another anti feedback device. :-)
The power amp issue with bass etc. Let me state I started with a Mosvalve. Not to bad. Next the Carvin T100 tube. A little better but it went in the shop to often and only 50 watts a side in stereo I could not keep up with the drummer from hell who used tree trunks as sticks. Next came the Marshall 9100. Still 50 a side but added the cool SCOOP switch for superior bottom end. In the shop 2 times in 2 years. Next the Marshall 9200. Now at 100Watts per side and it went in the shop for problems two times same right channel. One was at a gig I had to run mono from the
surviving side. While it was in the shop I picked up a used 100 watts per side ADAB200S off eBay for $80 and it was 16 LBS compaired to the 80LBS plus the Marshall was. It had better volume, harmonics and again was ONLY 16 LBS. When I picked up my rack with one hand, the Marshall went up on eBay. In defence of the Marshall 9200, if you like Doom metal you cant beat the scoop switch. Oh did I mention the ADA has no heat!
----- Original Message ----
From: Hari Floura <scorpio65@yahoo. com>
To: gsp-2101@yahoogroup s.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 1, 2007 9:02:34 PM
Subject: Re: [gsp-2101] amp comparison continued... ..
Bob - The Marshall had Mullard tubes in it, I just got various new tubes today and once I have had a chance to play with them I'll post my findings!
Jorma - I have a Marshall Valvestate 8080 at the moment going into 2 1x12 cabs with celestions in them. I'm trying to get a 50/50 peavy on e-bay if I can, your comments have further convinced me that a valve power amp is the way to go!
Hari
----- Original Message ----
From: J spazi <jspazi@yahoo. com>
To: gsp-2101@yahoogroup s.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 1, 2007 7:59:35 PM
Subject: Re: [gsp-2101] amp comparison continued... ..
Ill chime in since I love tubes. Ive used almost every readily available tube in my amps and have settled on the TAD ( 9th Gen Chinese) for the 2101. Great gain, not too fizzy ( i think the fiz is intrinsic to the unit ) with the TAD's you can dial most of it out with the EQ.
For my "B" Rig,I use a Mesa Boogie 50/50 with my 2101 and its a killer with a v30 loaded stereo cab. The Diff between Solid State and Tube power amps regarding bass response is unbelievable and in favor of the tube power. If you get a chance try a tube power amp. 6l6'S or EL34's
-Jorma
Bob Snelgrove <bob@mysystem. com> wrote:
What tubes were in the Marshall?
bob
----- Original Message -----
From: Hari Floura
To: gsp-2101@yahoogroup s.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2007 11:55 AM
Subject: Re: [gsp-2101] amp comparison continued... ..
Just to add my two cents! I recently considered supplementing/ replacing the pre-amp stage of my 2101 with a ADA MP1 Classic ( since I was not entirely happy with the tone. That is I could not get some of the sounds I get out of my Marshall 9001 pre-amp (non midi) from the 2101. Luckily before I committed to the ADA, I figured it was worth playing around with the valve tubes, so I replaced the ones in the 2101 (Groove tubes matched pair) with the ones in the Marshall and (BINGO!) there was the tone I was after! Since then I have been replicating the sounds I get from the Marshall on the 2101 with great success. The only one I am having trouble with is one where I have used the 9001 eq stage to boost the bottom end for a really heavily distorted crunch metal rhythm, so far I have not managed to get that really dark bottom, end fuzzy bass
out of the 2101 (Sounds a bit to bright and clean!). Still I'm waiting for a selection of new tubes I ordered to arrive so I can play around some more and I am reasonably confident I will get what I need out of the 2101 without having to add to my rig! At that stage Marshall 9001 will end up on e-bay! So the moral of the story is, it's there if you have the patience to work with the 2101!
BTW has anybody any info on the 'Blue Dream Mods' that Dieter mentions on his website?
Hari
----- Original Message ----
From: Glenjamin <rhythmposse@ yahoo.com>
To: gsp-2101@yahoogroup s.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 1, 2007 11:19:12 AM
Subject: Re: [gsp-2101] amp comparison continued... ..
Hey Jim,
I have no feedback at painful volumes. If I loosen up the gate I can have controlled feedback. Note I use a EMG81. Try setting your gate at ATTACK 0, RELEASE 0, ATTENUATION 66, DELAY TIME 0. Play with the ATTENUATION for your pickups to work best.
Now for Gary,
You added a external15band DOD EQ? I must ask why you didn't add a 15 band EQ to your algorithm?
Hey Bob,
My bass player let me jam through a VooDoo valve. It had that Paul Gilbert high end twag to it. I'm looking more for a Dann Huff type lead tone and Tora Tora (Walkin Shoes) insane crunch rhythm. I must say I still don't know how Nuno got the ADA MP1 and a Boss pedal to get that Pornograffitti tone??? I bought all that shit , Bill Lawrance XL pickup, pedal, ADA and NO LUCK. I'm sure some one will say its Nuno's hands but I beg to differ. Listen
to Three Sides to every Story when he switched to Soldano amps. I didn't like the tone near as much. I can get damn close on the 2101. That's way the 2101 still rules in my book.
----- Original Message ----
From: jim morrison <spaceace60@yahoo. com>
To: gsp-2101@yahoogroup s.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2007 12:48:08 PM
Subject: Re: [gsp-2101] amp comparison continued... ..
i had a triaxis and a boogie 2/90? and i thought it sucked! (sorry boogie diehards)and im a major boogie fan(especially the rectifiers!) best combo i've tried so far is a 2101 and a marshall 9200 tried 2101 with carvin t100 and wasn't as good but usable lol! only major complaint i have on 2101 is uncontroled feedback(unless your 300ft away from amp) on distortion presets noise gate has to be set to high to eliminate problem then it doesn't allow me to have enough sustain or cuts notes/chords off to soon!
Glenjamin <rhythmposse@ yahoo.com> wrote:
While we are bashing gear....... I just picked up a Marshall JMP-1 and a Vox Valvetronix 100 watt head to goof with in the studio. The vox was beyond loud and had very usable sounds strikingly close to what amps it simulates. Plus it has a power attinuator to get that cranked sound at lower volumes. The VOX was $310 used and kicked the JMP's butt! The JMP-1 did have one creamy lead tone where the tube distortion was smooth and shredable. How ever when I plugged back into the 2101 I put the JMP-1 on eBay. Next I need to try the Piranha and Triaxis. Nothing I prefer better than the 2101 so far..... Anyone have the new 1101? I would imagine Harmon would go cookie cutter over tone any day $$$.
Amps I have tried so far.....
Bogner Excstasy
Useful (not worth $3900)
Peavey Rockmaster Metal!!!
Hughes & Kettner JCM800 again
Boogie Studio, Rectofier Good one trick pony
Marshall JCM800 and JMP-1 Useful
Randall RG75 Suprising depth
ADA MP-1
Useful
Sansamp GT2 Sterile
Digitech RP 6,7,12,20 and 2101's 2101 tops my list
Boss GT8 good all in one runner up
Fender Twin and Princton classic clean
VOX AD100VTH All your favorite amps strikingly simulated.
VHT Pittbull
Hot rodded JCM with better EQ
J-Station Shrill but useful
----- Original Message ----
From: belphedeus <belphedeus@yahoo. com>
To: gsp-2101@yahoogroup s.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 11:00:33 AM
Subject: [gsp-2101] Re: 2101 and 2112 in comparison
LOL!!What i meant was it delivers.... . :)
--- In gsp-2101@yahoogroup s.com, "Bob Snelgrove" <bob@...> wrote:
>
> Bites means good? :)
>
> Used to mean bad :)
>
>
> bob
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: belphedeus
> To: gsp-2101@yahoogroup s.com
> Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 7:37 AM
> Subject: [gsp-2101] Re: 2101 and 2112 in comparison
>
>
> Well i have never tried the other RP models but RP 12 really
> bites....the analog dist is amazing.Easy to program if you ever
> meddle with the 2101.The only downside is that the algorithms are
> fixed.
>
> --- In gsp-2101@yahoogroup s.com,
"Bob Snelgrove" <bob@> wrote:
> >
> > Is the RP-12 the best of the RP's? I'd like to have a good all
in
> one floor pedal.
> >
> >
> > bob
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: dunkin_donut3
> > To: gsp-2101@yahoogroup s.com
> > Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2007 10:04 PM
> > Subject: [gsp-2101] Re: 2101 and 2112 in comparison
> >
> >
> > I too own a RP12. What a fantastic pedal. I also own 4 2101's.
I
> > have no reason to change. Yes, a few of the effects aren't as
> good as
> > others... but with the RP12 and a 2101 in my arsenal I'm more
> than
> > happy.
> >
>
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