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Out of Program Mamory message.

2016-09-05 by terrell5843@...

Hello group.
I’ve recently started using my 2101 again and have been editing some of the patches. It has been working fine and I've been editing away for the past few weeks. But tonight when trying to save some edit changes, I’ve started getting “Out of Program Mamory” message on the display and it won't let me save any changes. I’m not creating any huge or elaborate patches, and I’m mostly just editing the EQ and changing the name of the patch. So is there a "fix" for this? Can memory be added, or should I just do a factory reset and start from scratch? Any help will be greatly appreciated.

Thanks in advance!!

Re: [gsp-2101] Out of Program Mamory message.

2016-09-05 by Graham Pearson

Hello Terrell:

Unfortunately, there's no way to add extra "Program Memory" to a GSP-2101.  Even if you install the optional PPC-210 card, this does not add Program Memory.

After performing a factory reset, I went through each of the user programs 1 through 100 and simply changed the External FX Loop setting from its default (Bypass) to No Sum.  After applying this simple change to about 70 of my user programs, I ran out of Program Memory.  So it doesn't take much to run out of Program Memory.

However, you shouldn't need to perform a factory reset to recover from this problem.  Of the user programs you have edited, decide which of those you can afford to restore to their factory defaults and copy the corresponding factory program back to its user location.  For example, if you can live without your edited program 32, copy factory program 132 back to user program 32.  Very soon, you'll recover sufficient Program Memory that you can start editing your user programs again.

Hope this helps.
Graham

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  From: terrell5843@... [gsp-2101] 
  To: gsp-2101@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, September 04, 2016 8:50 PM
  Subject: [gsp-2101] Out of Program Mamory message.

  Hello group.
  I’ve recently started using my 2101 again and have been editing some of the patches. It has been working fine and I've been editing away for the past few weeks. But tonight when trying to save some edit changes, I’ve started getting “Out of Program Mamory” message on the display and it won't let me save any changes. I’m not creating any huge or elaborate patches, and I’m mostly just editing the EQ and changing the name of the patch. So is there a "fix" for this? Can memory be added, or should I just do a factory reset and start from scratch? Any help will be greatly appreciated. 

  Thanks in advance!!

Re: Out of Program Mamory message.

2016-09-05 by me@...

Below is a copy of one of MIDIWizard's Help Topics that addresses the "Out of Program Memory" message.

Error Message: Out Of Program Memory

If you create a lot of user programs, your GSP-2101 will eventually display the "Out of Program Memory" message when you attempt to store a new user program.

The first solution to this problem is to reset some of your user programs back to their factory program equivalents. Do this using the following process:

Make a list of those user programs in the range 001 through 100 you can live without
For each of these user programs, dial up the corresponding factory program
For example, dial up factory program 143 for user program 043
Press the GSP-2101's Store button twice to copy the factory program to the corresponding user program

The above process releases some program memory. After restoring some user programs to their factory program equivalents, you should be able to continue creating new user programs.

If the above process releases insufficient memory for all the programs you wish to create, then you'll need to follow a more radical process:

Make a list of those user programs in the range 001 through 100 you can't live without
Perform a System Backup
Use the System Backup file created in step 2 to Create a Set of User Program Files.
Perform a Factory Reset
Use the User Programs you created in step 3 to restore the programs you can't live without using the Program Restore feature

Re: [gsp-2101] Re: Out of Program Mamory message.

2016-09-05 by terrellium

OK GREAT!!! And not a moment to soon as I was JUST about to do a factory reset!!!

Thanks so much for the great information. Very helpful and I’ve very glad to be apart of this forum!!

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> On Sep 4, 2016, at 10:36 PM, me@... [gsp-2101] <gsp-2101@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
> 
> Below is a copy of one of MIDIWizard's Help Topics that addresses the "Out of Program Memory" message.
> 
> 
>  <>Error Message: Out Of Program Memory
> 
> If you create a lot of user programs, your GSP-2101 will eventually display the "Out of Program Memory" message when you attempt to store a new user program.
> 
> 
> The first solution to this problem is to reset some of your user programs back to their factory program equivalents. Do this using the following process:
> 
> Make a list of those user programs in the range 001 through 100 you can live without
> 
> For each of these user programs, dial up the corresponding factory program
> 
> For example, dial up factory program 143 for user program 043
> 
> Press the GSP-2101's Store button twice to copy the factory program to the corresponding user program
> 
> The above process releases some program memory. After restoring some user programs to their factory program equivalents, you should be able to continue creating new user programs.
> 
> If the above process releases insufficient memory for all the programs you wish to create, then you'll need to follow a more radical process:
> 
> Make a list of those user programs in the range 001 through 100 you can't live without
> 
> Perform a System Backup
> 
> Use the System Backup file created in step 2 to Create a Set of User Program Files.
> 
> Perform a Factory Reset
> 
> Use the User Programs you created in step 3 to restore the programs you can't live without using the Program Restore feature
> 
> 
>

Re: [gsp-2101] Re: Out of Program Mamory message.

2016-09-05 by Chris Sherwood

Great advise, but I would just like to add that if you can store your patches on a computer and sent them back and forth via SysEx dumps, then you don't have to lose a single program. It just means that you can't have them all loaded onto the GSP all at the same time.

You can group them into to banks of patches that you would use together. For recording projects, you could store a bank of user patches for each project. If you're in a cover band, you can load a bank of patches you need for a gig, but then overwrite them with another bank when you get back home and need to get back using and creating patches for other purposes.

Of course, having the ability to transfer user patches back and forth from a computer also means you can try patches from other people.

Chris

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On Sun, Sep 4, 2016 at 8:48 PM, terrellium terrellium@... [gsp-2101] <gsp-2101@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

OK GREAT!!! And not a moment to soon as I was JUST about to do a factory reset!!!

Thanks so much for the great information. Very helpful and I’ve very glad to be apart of this forum!!
On Sep 4, 2016, at 10:36 PM, me@... [gsp-2101] <gsp-2101@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Below is a copy of one of MIDIWizard's Help Topics that addresses the "Out of Program Memory" message.

Error Message: Out Of Program Memory
If you create a lot of user programs, your GSP-2101 will eventually display the "Out of Program Memory" message when you attempt to store a new user program.

The first solution to this problem is to reset some of your user programs back to their factory program equivalents. Do this using the following process:
Make a list of those user programs in the range 001 through 100 you can live without

For each of these user programs, dial up the corresponding factory program

For example, dial up factory program 143 for user program 043

Press the GSP-2101's Store button twice to copy the factory program to the corresponding user program

The above process releases some program memory. After restoring some user programs to their factory program equivalents, you should be able to continue creating new user programs.
If the above process releases insufficient memory for all the programs you wish to create, then you'll need to follow a more radical process:
Make a list of those user programs in the range 001 through 100 you can't live without

Perform a System Backup

Use the System Backup file created in step 2 to Create a Set of User Program Files.

Perform a Factory Reset

Use the User Programs you created in step 3 to restore the programs you can't live without using the Program Restore feature

Re: [gsp-2101] Re: Out of Program Mamory message.

2016-09-05 by Terrell

Thanks Chris, that’s some good advise as well. I’ve had this unit for some years, but I’m just now getting deeper into the nuts and bolts of it. I just figured out how to use my Line 6 M19 to change patches via MIDI, so SysEx dumps will be the next level. But I definitely need to learn how to do that kind of stuff, and being able to download and share patches will be a great option to have. 

Thanks again!!
Terrell.

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> On Sep 5, 2016, at 10:20 AM, Chris Sherwood chrisshe@... [gsp-2101] <gsp-2101@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> Great advise, but I would just like to add that if you can store your patches on a computer and sent them back and forth via SysEx dumps, then you don't have to lose a single program. It just means that you can't have them all loaded onto the GSP all at the same time. 
> 
> You can group them into to banks of patches that you would use together. For recording projects, you could store a bank of user patches for each project. If you're in a cover band, you can load a bank of patches you need for a gig, but then overwrite them with another bank when you get back home and need to get back using and creating patches for other purposes.
> 
> Of course, having the ability to transfer user patches back and forth from a computer also means you can try patches from other people.
> 
> Chris
> 
> 
> On Sun, Sep 4, 2016 at 8:48 PM, terrellium terrellium@comcast.net <mailto:terrellium@...> [gsp-2101] <gsp-2101@yahoogroups.com <mailto:gsp-2101@yahoogroups.com>> wrote:
> 
> 
> OK GREAT!!! And not a moment to soon as I was JUST about to do a factory reset!!!
> 
> Thanks so much for the great information. Very helpful and I’ve very glad to be apart of this forum!!
>> On Sep 4, 2016, at 10:36 PM, me@... <mailto:me@...> [gsp-2101] <gsp-2101@yahoogroups.com <mailto:gsp-2101@yahoogroups.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Below is a copy of one of MIDIWizard's Help Topics that addresses the "Out of Program Memory" message.
>> 
>> 
>>  <>Error Message: Out Of Program Memory
>> 
>> If you create a lot of user programs, your GSP-2101 will eventually display the "Out of Program Memory" message when you attempt to store a new user program.
>> 
>> 
>> The first solution to this problem is to reset some of your user programs back to their factory program equivalents. Do this using the following process:
>> 
>> Make a list of those user programs in the range 001 through 100 you can live without
>> 
>> For each of these user programs, dial up the corresponding factory program
>> 
>> For example, dial up factory program 143 for user program 043
>> 
>> Press the GSP-2101's Store button twice to copy the factory program to the corresponding user program
>> 
>> The above process releases some program memory. After restoring some user programs to their factory program equivalents, you should be able to continue creating new user programs.
>> 
>> If the above process releases insufficient memory for all the programs you wish to create, then you'll need to follow a more radical process:
>> 
>> Make a list of those user programs in the range 001 through 100 you can't live without
>> 
>> Perform a System Backup
>> 
>> Use the System Backup file created in step 2 to Create a Set of User Program Files.
>> 
>> Perform a Factory Reset
>> 
>> Use the User Programs you created in step 3 to restore the programs you can't live without using the Program Restore feature
>> 
>> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>

Re: Out of Program Mamory message.

2016-09-07 by keenears@...

Wow, I wasn`t even aware there could such a problem. Thanks for warning me, Graham and Terrell!
While having a system backup is a must, I`ve found its useful to make separate program dumps by sending
such SysEx to the device and saving what it replies back with Bome SendSX

SYS_HEAD (bytes separated with spaces) for 2101 is: F0 00 00 10 01 41
so it will look like F0 00 00 10 01 41 01 00 01 F7 for program 1

---
REQUEST ONE PROGRAM (01h)
SYS_HEAD, 01(h), yy, zz, F7(h)
When yy = 00(h), then zz = Program numbers 1 through 128 (00-7Fh)
When yy = 01(h), then zz = Program numbers 129 through 256 (00-7Fh)
When a Request One Program procedure is received, the DigiTech device will respond
with a Receive One Program procedure.
---

Then you can save whats were in the Midi In to the file and send it back to out when you need to recover that.
If you look what in this file, it should accord to this SysEx template:
==
RECEIVE ONE PROGRAM (42h)
SYS_HEAD 42(h), yy, zz, dd(1st)1 dd(1st)2, ... dd(nth)1, dd(nth)2, F7(h)
When yy = 00(h), then zz = Program numbers 1 through 128 (00-7Fh)
When yy = 01(h), then zz = Program numbers 129 through 256 (00-7Fh)
dd(n)1 0000000v(b) where v is bit 7 of the nth byte of the received program.
dd(n)2 0vvvvvvv(b) where v is bits 6 through 0 of the nth byte of the received program.
The Receive One Program procedure is used to load a program into the DigiTech
device. The number of program bytes to be received (n) is different for each program. If
the Digitech device is sent a Receive One Program procedure where the program
number is not a valid RAM destination, it will be ignored.
==

Please be careful with restoring location number and keep backups. Good luck!

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