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Re: [gsp-2101] Re: My New 2101 PS

Re: [gsp-2101] Re: My New 2101 PS

2004-04-16 by Duane Urban

The battery is in there for a stable voltage to run the system clock which consists of a quartz crystal and associated circutry. Plus it supplies voltage to any volitile memory there may be in there (e.g. your user settings). If the battery dies you no longer have a stable system clock so naturally the programming will go to crap since it relies on counting ticks so to speak from the clock.
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Sent: Friday, April 16, 2004 4:21 PM
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Dude I'm telling you it's more than likely the freaking battery. The same one your PC has. You know that button battery about the size of a quarter? They are less than two bucks. Replace the battery and do a factory reset. At the worst you'll be out $1.50. I can guarentee you that any 2101 that you get will need a new battery by now even if it sat in the original box opened, unless it has been changed in the last couple years. A lithium battery has a shelf life of around 10 years...do the math.
Duane
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Sent: Friday, April 16, 2004 3:56 PM
Subject: Re: [gsp-2101] Re: My New 2101

Hi,

I've been reading your gsp2101 saga from the sidelines. If I may offer you
some advice - if a master reset didn't do the trick, I would stop right
there, contact the seller, let him know he sent you a malfunctioning
machine, and arrange for a refund. While it's true you -might- find the
cause of the problem by opening up the unit and poking around, it's also
true that you may ruin your chances of ever getting your money back if you
-don't- find the problem. If I were the seller and found out you had opened
the unit, I would not give you your money back.

There are lots of good and reasonably priced 2101s on the used market.
Don't settle for junk.

Anyway, my $.02 from having been in your shoes once and learning the hard
way. Best of luck.

-Bob


At 03:11 PM 4/16/2004, you wrote:
>All,
>You folks are awesome coming to the rescue so quick. I will do the
>following today when I get home. First off buy a new lithium battery
>and change that. Next will attempt to reseat the EProms or at least
>make sure they are well seated. I will try to do a Master Reset? is
>that different from the Button 1 power on deal? or through the
>utility function? I will then read the instructions of the midi
>wizard software that Graham will send me, get the appropriate
>cables, etc. email the dump and cross my fingers. Anything else I'm
>leaving out?
>
>Thank you all so very much for all the help!!! I really want to keep
>;this unit because I got such a great deal on it. And besides it
>sounds so much better than a POD Pro.
>
>Kevin
>
>--- In gsp-2101@yahoogroups.com, JoJo Bahogats
>wrote:
> > it sounds like the other owner pulled the 2nd ppc out
> > and didn't do a master reset.
> >
> > try that.
> >
> >
> > --- telecasterkid wrote:
> > > Hello all,
> > > I just bought a 2101 off Ebay and received it
> > > yesterday. The packing
> > > job wasn't the best but adequate I assume. Forgive
> > > me if am asking a
> > > retorical question here but I have searched all 428
> > > messages looking
> > > for an answer to my issue before I posted.....So
> > > here goes. It is
> > > circa '95 that has been upgraded to Artist 3.00 a
> > > software, single
> > > PPC. When I turn it on it goes through the startup
> > > procedure and
> > > then sometimes loads to program 1, other times P80
> > > (flashes), 240
> > > and so on. If it does happen to laod to program 1 as
> > > soon as I grab
> > > the dial and turn it to ascend to 2,3 and so on it
> > > does this
> > > computer code thing, says "I need a PPC" on P3 and
> > > then proceeds to
> > > reboot? If I do a factory reset all is well until I
> > > change
> > > parameters on any program then as soon as I shut it
> > > off and turn
> > > back on again the same routine starts all over
> > > again. This is
> > > actually my second 2101, I stupidly sold off my
> > > first one for a POD
> > > Pro....Yea I know what the hell was I thinking!!!
> > >
> > > If any if you folks could offer some advice as to
> > > where to proceed
> > > from here I would greatly appreciate it. I haven't
> > > let the seller
> > > know as of yet because I wanted advice first and
> > > then I would
> > > proceed with either him or UPS for damage to the
> > > unit....
> > >
> > > Thanks in advance,
> > > Sincerely,
> > > Kevin Schertell
> > >
> > > You can reach me at the following:
> > > telecasterkid@y...
> > > kevin.schertell@m...
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
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Re: [gsp-2101] Re: My New 2101 PS

2004-04-16 by Bob Stephenson

At 04:36 PM 4/16/2004, you wrote:
>The battery is in there for a stable voltage to run the system clock which 
>consists of a quartz crystal and associated circutry.  Plus it supplies 
>voltage to any volitile memory there may be in there (e.g. your user 
>settings).  If the battery dies you no longer have a stable system clock 
>so naturally the programming will go to crap since it relies on counting 
>ticks so to speak from the clock.

The battery doesn't have anything to do with the system clock. All the 
battery does is retain the user settings when the unit is powered off.  In 
fact, you can remove the battery completely and the gsp will still work 
just fine. The cpu clock is run from the power supply.

-B

Re: [gsp-2101] Re: My New 2101 PS

2004-04-16 by Duane Urban

Yeah right - you must have a magical 2101 then because mine went crazy when the battery died and was totally unusable. It worked fine after the battery was changed although the user settings where gone.
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At 04:36 PM 4/16/2004, you wrote:
>The battery is in there for a stable voltage to run the system clock which
>consists of a quartz crystal and associated circutry. Plus it supplies
>voltage to any volitile memory there may be in there (e.g. your user
>settings). If the battery dies you no longer have a stable system clock
>so naturally the programming will go to crap since it relies on counting
>ticks so to speak from the clock.

The battery doesn't have anything to do with the system clock. All the
battery does is retain the user settings when the unit is powered off. In
fact, you can remove the battery completely and the gsp will still work
just fine. The cpu clock is run from the power supply.

-B




Re: My New 2101 PS

2004-04-17 by telecasterkid

ALL,
First off it was not my intention to pull any fast ones on the 
seller or dupe him, I just thought if you folks on the forum could 
possibly diagnose the problem since most of you guys are long time 
users then in my case if it was a $3.00 dollar battery I would take 
it on the chin and replace it. 

If it looked like a bad processor and/or eproms then it was 
definitely going back to the seller for a refund. That's all I had 
in mind. As I said in the original post the packing job was adequate 
at best with the unit in a box with those styrofoam peanuts and 
that's it.

**HERE's the latest:
I bought a new battery and replaced it and made sure the eproms were 
well seated and so far so good. Factory reset worked!!! Turned off 
and back on!!! A So La Mio!!! I haven't dove head first into 
Graham's midi wizard as of yet (but I will) so it looks like all is 
well for now. 

So I wanted to thank everyone that helped out with all the advice 
and things to try. (so damn fast, WOW!!!) I really, really 
appreciate it. If this thing holds then the next thing will be to 
load the midi program and then on to the fun stuff of bugging the 
shit out of all of you guys for some of those killer patches which I 
know you all have sitting on for years!!! 

Thanks again,
(Reformed 2101 user once again)
Kevin Schertell
 


--- In gsp-2101@yahoogroups.com, "Duane Urban" <starwaycorp@c...> 
wrote:
> Yeah right - you must have a magical 2101 then because mine went 
crazy when the battery died and was totally unusable.  It worked 
fine after the battery was changed although the user settings where 
gone.  
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: Bob Stephenson 
>   To: gsp-2101@yahoogroups.com 
>   Sent: Friday, April 16, 2004 7:14 PM
>   Subject: Re: [gsp-2101] Re: My New 2101 PS
> 
> 
>   At 04:36 PM 4/16/2004, you wrote:
>   >The battery is in there for a stable voltage to run the system 
clock which 
>   >consists of a quartz crystal and associated circutry.  Plus it 
supplies 
>   >voltage to any volitile memory there may be in there (e.g. your 
user 
>   >settings).  If the battery dies you no longer have a stable 
system clock 
>   >so naturally the programming will go to crap since it relies on 
counting 
>   >ticks so to speak from the clock.
> 
>   The battery doesn't have anything to do with the system clock. 
All the 
>   battery does is retain the user settings when the unit is 
powered off.  In 
>   fact, you can remove the battery completely and the gsp will 
still work 
>   just fine. The cpu clock is run from the power supply.
> 
>   -B
> 
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Re: [gsp-2101] Re: My New 2101 PS

2004-04-17 by Bob Stephenson

At 07:50 PM 4/16/2004, you wrote:
>Yeah right - you must have a magical 2101 then because mine went crazy 
>when the battery died and was totally unusable.

Yes, that must be it. Magic. Forget the possibility that perhaps different 
revisions/configurations may react differently to a dead/dying battery. You 
probably won't believe this either, but my 2101 is running without the 
battery as I type this (yes, I checked before responding, and was prepared 
to eat crow if I was mistaken). Early production unit, revision A0 
mainboard, sdisc 2 on the board, sdisc 1 on the ppc, 20mhz mod, 3.00.00 
artist firmware.

>   It worked fine after the battery was changed although the user settings 
> where gone.

It looks like a new battery may have solved telecasterkid's problem as 
well. It still doesn't run the clock though :)

-B

Re: [gsp-2101] Re: My New 2101 PS

2004-04-17 by Bob Stephenson

At 10:30 PM 4/16/2004, you wrote:
>ALL,
>First off it was not my intention to pull any fast ones on the
>seller or dupe him,

Apologies if it sounded like that's what I was insinuating - it wasn't. I 
didn't want to see -you- get burned if it turned out to be more than just a 
simple fix. Anyway, I'm glad it worked out.

-B

Re: [gsp-2101] Re: My New 2101 PS

2004-04-17 by Graham Pearson

Now, now, there seems to be some interpersonal ranking going on in the
GSP-2101 camp.
Remember, we're all in the same family.
Love you all, guys.  Keep on rockin' and keep on using the best piece of
gear ever invented.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bob Stephenson" <tmx_ampworks@...>
To: <gsp-2101@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, April 16, 2004 11:36 PM
Subject: Re: [gsp-2101] Re: My New 2101 PS


> At 07:50 PM 4/16/2004, you wrote:
> >Yeah right - you must have a magical 2101 then because mine went crazy
> >when the battery died and was totally unusable.
>
> Yes, that must be it. Magic. Forget the possibility that perhaps different
> revisions/configurations may react differently to a dead/dying battery.
You
> probably won't believe this either, but my 2101 is running without the
> battery as I type this (yes, I checked before responding, and was prepared
> to eat crow if I was mistaken). Early production unit, revision A0
> mainboard, sdisc 2 on the board, sdisc 1 on the ppc, 20mhz mod, 3.00.00
> artist firmware.
>
> >   It worked fine after the battery was changed although the user
settings
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> > where gone.
>
> It looks like a new battery may have solved telecasterkid's problem as
> well. It still doesn't run the clock though :)
>
> -B

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