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Hi all,

I recently discovered the editing program that lets you create new 
algorythems graphicly, on the pc, them dump them to the 2101.  This 
is great.  The algorythem creation ability was one of the reasons I 
wanted a 2101 in the 1st place, but then found it very dificult to 
do with the limited display on the unit.  

The 2101Edit program runs OK on my XP SP1 machine, but when I dump 
to my 2101, the unit doesn't make the changes I send.  The furthest 
I get, is where it will ask me to store the preset which was being 
displayed at the time of the dump.  I alsways end up back where I 
started - nowhere, and then usually the 2101 edit program locks up.  

I have tried tweaking the settings, like delaying the button push 
time by setting the paramiter in the 2101 edit program to the max of 
4000ms.  

Has anyone had success with this program?  Any tips?

Regards,
Jeff B.

Do you have version 3.00.00 or 3.00.00a software?

-----Original Message-----
From: Jeff [mailto:jeffb300z@...] 
Sent: Sunday, October 24, 2004 11:06 AM
To: gsp-2101@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [gsp-2101] 2101Edit Program
 

Hi all,

I recently discovered the editing program that lets you create new 
algorythems graphicly, on the pc, them dump them to the 2101.  This 
is great.  The algorythem creation ability was one of the reasons I 
wanted a 2101 in the 1st place, but then found it very dificult to 
do with the limited display on the unit.  

The 2101Edit program runs OK on my XP SP1 machine, but when I dump 
to my 2101, the unit doesn't make the changes I send.  The furthest 
I get, is where it will ask me to store the preset which was being 
displayed at the time of the dump.  I alsways end up back where I 
started - nowhere, and then usually the 2101 edit program locks up.  

I have tried tweaking the settings, like delaying the button push 
time by setting the paramiter in the 2101 edit program to the max of 
4000ms.  

Has anyone had success with this program?  Any tips?

Regards,
Jeff B.







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That would be 3.00.00 a 
--- MM <strategy400@...> wrote:

> Do you have version 3.00.00 or 3.00.00a software?
>  
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jeff [mailto:jeffb300z@...] 
> Sent: Sunday, October 24, 2004 11:06 AM
> To: gsp-2101@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [gsp-2101] 2101Edit Program
>  
> 
> Hi all, a  a I recently discovered the editing
program that lets
> you create new 
> algorythems graphicly, on the pc, them dump them to
> the 2101.  This 
> is great.  The algorythem creation ability was one
> of the reasons I 
> wanted a 2101 in the 1st place, but then found it
> very dificult to 
> do with the limited display on the unit.  
> 
> The 2101Edit program runs OK on my XP SP1 machine,
> but when I dump 
> to my 2101, the unit doesn't make the changes I
> send.  The furthest 
> I get, is where it will ask me to store the preset
> which was being 
> displayed at the time of the dump.  I alsways end up
> back where I 
> started - nowhere, and then usually the 2101 edit
> program locks up.  
> 
> I have tried tweaking the settings, like delaying
> the button push 
> time by setting the paramiter in the 2101 edit
> program to the max of 
> 4000ms.  
> 
> Has anyone had success with this program?  Any tips?
> 
> Regards,
> Jeff B.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Hey,
 
Everyone should email digitech and tell them to bring back the 2101.
Can't hurt. Here's the url:
 
http://www.digitech.com/contact.htm

-----Original Message-----
From: Graham Pearson [mailto:gpearson@...] 
Sent: Sunday, October 24, 2004 7:16 PM
To: gsp-2101@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [gsp-2101] 2101Edit Program
 
Hi Jeff:
 
Martin Ecker wrote 2101Edit (version 1.1) back in 1999, when Windows 98
ruled.  Unfortunately, his program does not operate reliably under more
recent versions of Windows.  Although you must have version 3.00 EPROMs
to use 2101Edit, this does not guarantee its successful execution.
 
Because DigiTech did not release the specifications for the System
Exclusive message used to transfer algorithms between the 2101 and a
computer, Martin cleverly resorted to a "button-pressing" scheme.  When
you finish building an algorithm using 2101Edit, Martin's program sends
a sequence of System Exclusive messages that simulate button presses.
When receiving these messages, the 2101 thinks you are manually entering
a new algorithm using it's front panel.
 
The main problem with this approach is that the 2101 needs varying
"breathing" times between consecutive button presses.  If you're not
careful, it hasn't finished processing the last button press before
another one comes down the MIDI cable and so the 2101 ignores it.  This
means that any subsequent button presses are out of sequence and the
whole algorithm building procedure is jeopardized.  You've tried long
times (500 ms or more) between consecutive button presses, but I see
this didn't help.
 
Another problem is that sometimes the 2101 interprets a single System
Exclusive "button press" message as two button presses, and so again
you're out of sequence.
 
We know of these problems because we tried to replicate Martin's scheme
in our 2101 interface for our MIDIWizard software.  The feature was not
sufficiently reliable that we wanted to release it.  I hope this
explanation is not too long-winded for you.  I just wanted you to know
that its not exactly Martin's fault that his 2101Edit program is
unreliable.
 
Keep in touch,
Graham Pearson
 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jeff [mailto:jeffb300z@...] 
> Sent: Sunday, October 24, 2004 11:06 AM
> To: gsp-2101@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [gsp-2101] 2101Edit Program
>  
> 
> Hi all, a  a I recently discovered the editing program that lets you
create new algorythems graphicly, on the pc, them dump them to the 2101.
This is great.  The algorythem creation ability was one of the reasons I
wanted a 2101 in the 1st place, but then found it very dificult to do
with the limited display on the unit.  
> 
> The 2101Edit program runs OK on my XP SP1 machine, but when I dump to
my 2101, the unit doesn't make the changes I
> send.  The furthest I get, is where it will ask me to store the preset
which was being displayed at the time of the dump.  I alsways end up
back where I started - nowhere, and then usually the 2101 edit program
locks up.  
> 
> I have tried tweaking the settings, like delaying the button push time
by setting the paramiter in the 2101 edit
> program to the max of 4000ms.  
> 
> Has anyone had success with this program?  Any tips?
> 
> Regards,
> Jeff B.




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Yeah I did lets get it going.
--- Graham Pearson <gpearson@...> wrote:

> Mark:
> 
> From DigiTech's point of view, the problem with the
> GSP-2101 is that its got too long a shelf life. 
> Here we are still raving about a piece of gear
> that's ten years old and no company's been able to
> come up with anything better.
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: MM 
>   To: gsp-2101@yahoogroups.com 
>   Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 1:40 AM
>   Subject: [gsp-2101] email digitech
> 
> 
>   Hey,
> 
>    
> 
>   Everyone should email digitech and tell them to
> bring back the 2101. Can't hurt. Here's the url:
> 
>    
> 
>   http://www.digitech.com/contact.htm
> 



		
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Well didgitech should release that scheme so we can
create a software that lets us graphicaly create an
algorythim.  but i think digitech wants us to get rid
of our 2101s.  But there is no chance in hell.
--- Graham Pearson <gpearson@...> wrote:

> Hi Jeff:
> 
> Martin Ecker wrote 2101Edit (version 1.1) back in
> 1999, when Windows 98 ruled.  Unfortunately, his
> program does not operate reliably under more recent
> versions of Windows.  Although you must have version
> 3.00 EPROMs to use 2101Edit, this does not guarantee
> its successful execution.
> 
> Because DigiTech did not release the specifications
> for the System Exclusive message used to transfer
> algorithms between the 2101 and a computer, Martin
> cleverly resorted to a "button-pressing" scheme. 
> When you finish building an algorithm using
> 2101Edit, Martin's program sends a sequence of
> System Exclusive messages that simulate button
> presses.  When receiving these messages, the 2101
> thinks you are manually entering a new algorithm
> using it's front panel.
> 
> The main problem with this approach is that the 2101
> needs varying "breathing" times between consecutive
> button presses.  If you're not careful, it hasn't
> finished processing the last button press before
> another one comes down the MIDI cable and so the
> 2101 ignores it.  This means that any subsequent
> button presses are out of sequence and the whole
> algorithm building procedure is jeopardized.  You've
> tried long times (500 ms or more) between
> consecutive button presses, but I see this didn't
> help.
> 
> Another problem is that sometimes the 2101
> interprets a single System Exclusive "button press"
> message as two button presses, and so again you're
> out of sequence.
> 
> We know of these problems because we tried to
> replicate Martin's scheme in our 2101 interface for
> our MIDIWizard software.  The feature was not
> sufficiently reliable that we wanted to release it. 
> I hope this explanation is not too long-winded for
> you.  I just wanted you to know that its not exactly
> Martin's fault that his 2101Edit program is
> unreliable.
> 
> Keep in touch,
> Graham Pearson
> 
>   > -----Original Message-----
>   > From: Jeff [mailto:jeffb300z@...] 
>   > Sent: Sunday, October 24, 2004 11:06 AM
>   > To: gsp-2101@yahoogroups.com
>   > Subject: [gsp-2101] 2101Edit Program
>   >  
>   > 
>   > Hi all, a  a I recently discovered the editing
> program that lets you create new algorythems
> graphicly, on the pc, them dump them to the 2101. 
> This is great.  The algorythem creation ability was
> one of the reasons I wanted a 2101 in the 1st place,
> but then found it very dificult to do with the
> limited display on the unit.  
>   > 
>   > The 2101Edit program runs OK on my XP SP1
> machine, but when I dump to my 2101, the unit
> doesn't make the changes I
>   > send.  The furthest I get, is where it will ask
> me to store the preset which was being displayed at
> the time of the dump.  I alsways end up back where I
> started - nowhere, and then usually the 2101 edit
> program locks up.  
>   > 
>   > I have tried tweaking the settings, like
> delaying the button push time by setting the
> paramiter in the 2101 edit
>   > program to the max of 4000ms.  
>   > 
>   > Has anyone had success with this program?  Any
> tips?
>   > 
>   > Regards,
>   > Jeff B.



		
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Thanks for the reply.  

Yes, I realize it is not the author's fault my set-up
isn't working.  I am hoping someone found a work
around.  It is my guess that CPU speed could be the
reason it fails to function.

Jeff
--- Graham Pearson <gpearson@...> wrote:

> Hi Jeff:
> 
> Martin Ecker wrote 2101Edit (version 1.1) back in
> 1999, when Windows 98 ruled.  Unfortunately, his
> program does not operate reliably under more recent
> versions of Windows.  Although you must have version
> 3.00 EPROMs to use 2101Edit, this does not guarantee
> its successful execution.
> 
> Because DigiTech did not release the specifications
> for the System Exclusive message used to transfer
> algorithms between the 2101 and a computer, Martin
> cleverly resorted to a "button-pressing" scheme. 
> When you finish building an algorithm using
> 2101Edit, Martin's program sends a sequence of
> System Exclusive messages that simulate button
> presses.  When receiving these messages, the 2101
> thinks you are manually entering a new algorithm
> using it's front panel.
> 
> The main problem with this approach is that the 2101
> needs varying "breathing" times between consecutive
> button presses.  If you're not careful, it hasn't
> finished processing the last button press before
> another one comes down the MIDI cable and so the
> 2101 ignores it.  This means that any subsequent
> button presses are out of sequence and the whole
> algorithm building procedure is jeopardized.  You've
> tried long times (500 ms or more) between
> consecutive button presses, but I see this didn't
> help.
> 
> Another problem is that sometimes the 2101
> interprets a single System Exclusive "button press"
> message as two button presses, and so again you're
> out of sequence.
> 
> We know of these problems because we tried to
> replicate Martin's scheme in our 2101 interface for
> our MIDIWizard software.  The feature was not
> sufficiently reliable that we wanted to release it. 
> I hope this explanation is not too long-winded for
> you.  I just wanted you to know that its not exactly
> Martin's fault that his 2101Edit program is
> unreliable.
> 
> Keep in touch,
> Graham Pearson
> 
>   > -----Original Message-----
>   > From: Jeff [mailto:jeffb300z@...] 
>   > Sent: Sunday, October 24, 2004 11:06 AM
>   > To: gsp-2101@yahoogroups.com
>   > Subject: [gsp-2101] 2101Edit Program
>   >  
>   > 
>   > Hi all, a  a I recently discovered the editing
> program that lets you create new algorythems
> graphicly, on the pc, them dump them to the 2101. 
> This is great.  The algorythem creation ability was
> one of the reasons I wanted a 2101 in the 1st place,
> but then found it very dificult to do with the
> limited display on the unit.  
>   > 
>   > The 2101Edit program runs OK on my XP SP1
> machine, but when I dump to my 2101, the unit
> doesn't make the changes I
>   > send.  The furthest I get, is where it will ask
> me to store the preset which was being displayed at
> the time of the dump.  I alsways end up back where I
> started - nowhere, and then usually the 2101 edit
> program locks up.  
>   > 
>   > I have tried tweaking the settings, like
> delaying the button push time by setting the
> paramiter in the 2101 edit
>   > program to the max of 4000ms.  
>   > 
>   > Has anyone had success with this program?  Any
> tips?
>   > 
>   > Regards,
>   > Jeff B.



		
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Lucky us!  They still command a fair price on e-bay.

A young friend of mine saw and heard my gsp2101 and
now he owns one as well.  Not sure, but I think he
paid $400 for the GSP 2101 with a One Controller foot
peddle.

Do any of you have experience with the gsp 2120?  Was
it any good?

Jeff




--- Graham Pearson <gpearson@...> wrote:

> Mark:
> 
> From DigiTech's point of view, the problem with the
> GSP-2101 is that its got too long a shelf life. 
> Here we are still raving about a piece of gear
> that's ten years old and no company's been able to
> come up with anything better.
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: MM 
>   To: gsp-2101@yahoogroups.com 
>   Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 1:40 AM
>   Subject: [gsp-2101] email digitech
> 
> 
>   Hey,
> 
>    
> 
>   Everyone should email digitech and tell them to
> bring back the 2101. Can't hurt. Here's the url:
> 
>    
> 
>   http://www.digitech.com/contact.htm
> 



		
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I think the 2101 is good but surely with the new
technology out there the gnx3 must be better?

What does the harmonizer sound like on the gnx stuff?

The 2101 is decent but i am looking for something a
little better in the tracking department.

Lee

--- Graham Pearson <gpearson@...> wrote:

> Mark:
> 
> From DigiTech's point of view, the problem with the
> GSP-2101 is that its got too long a shelf life. 
> Here we are still raving about a piece of gear
> that's ten years old and no company's been able to
> come up with anything better.
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: MM 
>   To: gsp-2101@yahoogroups.com 
>   Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 1:40 AM
>   Subject: [gsp-2101] email digitech
> 
> 
>   Hey,
> 
>    
> 
>   Everyone should email digitech and tell them to
> bring back the 2101. Can't hurt. Here's the url:
> 
>    
> 
>   http://www.digitech.com/contact.htm
> 



		
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I used to have a 2120. realy enjoyed it and got some great sounds from it. I liked the front panel better then the 2101, easier to access the parameters. would buy it again if I had the money. it lacks a headphone connection though.

"Jeff B." <jeffb300z@...> wrote:Lucky us!  They still command a fair price on e-bay.

A young friend of mine saw and heard my gsp2101 and
now he owns one as well.  Not sure, but I think he
paid $400 for the GSP 2101 with a One Controller foot
peddle.

Do any of you have experience with the gsp 2120?  Was
it any good?

Jeff




--- Graham Pearson <gpearson@...> wrote:

> Mark:
> 
> From DigiTech's point of view, the problem with the
> GSP-2101 is that its got too long a shelf life. 
> Here we are still raving about a piece of gear
> that's ten years old and no company's been able to
> come up with anything better.
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: MM 
>   To: gsp-2101@yahoogroups.com 
>   Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 1:40 AM
>   Subject: [gsp-2101] email digitech
> 
> 
>   Hey,
> 
>    
> 
>   Everyone should email digitech and tell them to
> bring back the 2101. Can't hurt. Here's the url:
> 
>    
> 
>   http://www.digitech.com/contact.htm
> 



            
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I tried the 2120 and thought it sounded very over-processed and digitized.
I immediately sold it and went back to my 2101.

I'm thinking about trying the new Behringer V-Amp Pro.  It looks like a cool
little rackmount unit and for $169, you almost can't go wrong.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jeff B. [mailto:jeffb300z@...]
Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 11:10 AM
To: gsp-2101@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [gsp-2101] email digitech


Lucky us!  They still command a fair price on e-bay.

A young friend of mine saw and heard my gsp2101 and
now he owns one as well.  Not sure, but I think he
paid $400 for the GSP 2101 with a One Controller foot
peddle.

Do any of you have experience with the gsp 2120?  Was
it any good?

Jeff




--- Graham Pearson <gpearson@...> wrote:

> Mark:
>
> From DigiTech's point of view, the problem with the
> GSP-2101 is that its got too long a shelf life.
> Here we are still raving about a piece of gear
> that's ten years old and no company's been able to
> come up with anything better.
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: MM
>   To: gsp-2101@yahoogroups.com
>   Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 1:40 AM
>   Subject: [gsp-2101] email digitech
>
>
>   Hey,
>
>
>
>   Everyone should email digitech and tell them to
> bring back the 2101. Can't hurt. Here's the url:
>
>
>
>   http://www.digitech.com/contact.htm
>




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--- In gsp-2101@yahoogroups.com, Aaron Miller <aaronmiller81@y...> 
wrote:
> I think the 2101 is good but surely with the new
> technology out there the gnx3 must be better?
> 
> What does the harmonizer sound like on the gnx stuff?
> 
I have to tell you all I have owned a 2101 ver 1 since '91, which I 
only recently updated to ver 3. I will never part with it, as it is 
amazing sounding in my studio, but sometimes you do not want to have 
to move a big rack. I needed something smaller & easier to set up 
quickly to use in a church worship band. I wanted options to go 
direct or use an amp, & I wanted amp & cab modeling and software for 
sound editing. I bought a GNX2 in 2000. It is a sort of swiss army 
knife in that it does many things well.
But it is all digital, and as such does not sound as smooth and 
sweet as the 2101. You can edit the sweetness in-to some extent.
It is best used with a small tube amp.
The GNX2 has amp & cab modeling, great efx, a basic preset drumbox,
pedalboard & processor/editor in one small unit, simple OS, fine 
free software editor, patch sharing via internet. It's all good.
But for tone alone, and powerful efx, the 2101 is KING in the studio.
I've been using the GNX2 a lot for different gigs for 4 years live & 
I love it a lot.
Recently I bought a Vox Tonelab SE pedalboard (with a tube in it!), 
and it is very cool, kinda different, more tubey sounding & very 
easy to program 'cause it has knobs and more analog style controls.
They all (2101, GNX2, Tonelab)work great, but sound different, and 
have unique tricks each will do.
The 2101 kinda pre-dates modeling and software editing. It came 
before Roland VG's and Line6 POD's which really started the modeling 
thing, and software editing and internet patch sharing.
But for sound it is awesome!!!!

In my opinion, it has an easier interface, but doesn't sound nearly as good
as the 2101, and it's not quite as flexible.

Blessings,

Brian

----- Original Message ----- 

From: "Jeff B." <jeffb300z@...>
To: <gsp-2101@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 10:09 AM
Subject: Re: [gsp-2101] email digitech


>
> Lucky us!  They still command a fair price on e-bay.
>
> A young friend of mine saw and heard my gsp2101 and
> now he owns one as well.  Not sure, but I think he
> paid $400 for the GSP 2101 with a One Controller foot
> peddle.
>
> Do any of you have experience with the gsp 2120?  Was
> it any good?
>
> Jeff
>
>
>
>
> --- Graham Pearson <gpearson@...> wrote:
>
> > Mark:
> >
> > From DigiTech's point of view, the problem with the
> > GSP-2101 is that its got too long a shelf life.
> > Here we are still raving about a piece of gear
> > that's ten years old and no company's been able to
> > come up with anything better.
> >   ----- Original Message ----- 
> >   From: MM
> >   To: gsp-2101@yahoogroups.com
> >   Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 1:40 AM
> >   Subject: [gsp-2101] email digitech
> >
> >
> >   Hey,
> >
> >
> >
> >   Everyone should email digitech and tell them to
> > bring back the 2101. Can't hurt. Here's the url:
> >
> >
> >
> >   http://www.digitech.com/contact.htm
> >
>
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I bought the Tonelab SE, and after a couple of weeks of use, I sent it right
back to Musicians Friend.  It was really easy to use, but the tone was way
too thin.  Tone wise, I haven't been able to find anything that will take
the place of my 2101 as of yet.  It would be nice to have something lighter
than my rack for those times on the church platform, but I haven't been able
to turn my ears off as of yet.  My tone is part of my playing, and if I'm
not satisfied with it, I feel out of balance.

Blessings,

Brian

----- Original Message ----- 

From: "Gerry ODowd" <gerryodowd@...>
To: <gsp-2101@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 12:35 AM
Subject: [gsp-2101] Re: email digitech


>
>
> --- In gsp-2101@yahoogroups.com, Aaron Miller <aaronmiller81@y...>
> wrote:
> > I think the 2101 is good but surely with the new
> > technology out there the gnx3 must be better?
> >
> > What does the harmonizer sound like on the gnx stuff?
> >
> I have to tell you all I have owned a 2101 ver 1 since '91, which I
> only recently updated to ver 3. I will never part with it, as it is
> amazing sounding in my studio, but sometimes you do not want to have
> to move a big rack. I needed something smaller & easier to set up
> quickly to use in a church worship band. I wanted options to go
> direct or use an amp, & I wanted amp & cab modeling and software for
> sound editing. I bought a GNX2 in 2000. It is a sort of swiss army
> knife in that it does many things well.
> But it is all digital, and as such does not sound as smooth and
> sweet as the 2101. You can edit the sweetness in-to some extent.
> It is best used with a small tube amp.
> The GNX2 has amp & cab modeling, great efx, a basic preset drumbox,
> pedalboard & processor/editor in one small unit, simple OS, fine
> free software editor, patch sharing via internet. It's all good.
> But for tone alone, and powerful efx, the 2101 is KING in the studio.
> I've been using the GNX2 a lot for different gigs for 4 years live &
> I love it a lot.
> Recently I bought a Vox Tonelab SE pedalboard (with a tube in it!),
> and it is very cool, kinda different, more tubey sounding & very
> easy to program 'cause it has knobs and more analog style controls.
> They all (2101, GNX2, Tonelab)work great, but sound different, and
> have unique tricks each will do.
> The 2101 kinda pre-dates modeling and software editing. It came
> before Roland VG's and Line6 POD's which really started the modeling
> thing, and software editing and internet patch sharing.
> But for sound it is awesome!!!!
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
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>
>
>
>
>
>

So you use the pre amp section of the 2101?

I bypass my preamp and use only the effects which are
digital on the gsp-2101

Lee

--- Gerry ODowd <gerryodowd@...> wrote:

> 
> --- In gsp-2101@yahoogroups.com, Aaron Miller
> <aaronmiller81@y...> 
> wrote:
> > I think the 2101 is good but surely with the new
> > technology out there the gnx3 must be better?
> > 
> > What does the harmonizer sound like on the gnx
> stuff?
> > 
> I have to tell you all I have owned a 2101 ver 1
> since '91, which I 
> only recently updated to ver 3. I will never part
> with it, as it is 
> amazing sounding in my studio, but sometimes you do
> not want to have 
> to move a big rack. I needed something smaller &
> easier to set up 
> quickly to use in a church worship band. I wanted
> options to go 
> direct or use an amp, & I wanted amp & cab modeling
> and software for 
> sound editing. I bought a GNX2 in 2000. It is a sort
> of swiss army 
> knife in that it does many things well.
> But it is all digital, and as such does not sound as
> smooth and 
> sweet as the 2101. You can edit the sweetness in-to
> some extent.
> It is best used with a small tube amp.
> The GNX2 has amp & cab modeling, great efx, a basic
> preset drumbox,
> pedalboard & processor/editor in one small unit,
> simple OS, fine 
> free software editor, patch sharing via internet.
> It's all good.
> But for tone alone, and powerful efx, the 2101 is
> KING in the studio.
> I've been using the GNX2 a lot for different gigs
> for 4 years live & 
> I love it a lot.
> Recently I bought a Vox Tonelab SE pedalboard (with
> a tube in it!), 
> and it is very cool, kinda different, more tubey
> sounding & very 
> easy to program 'cause it has knobs and more analog
> style controls.
> They all (2101, GNX2, Tonelab)work great, but sound
> different, and 
> have unique tricks each will do.
> The 2101 kinda pre-dates modeling and software
> editing. It came 
> before Roland VG's and Line6 POD's which really
> started the modeling 
> thing, and software editing and internet patch
> sharing.
> But for sound it is awesome!!!!
> 
> 
> 
> 



	
		
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--- In gsp-2101@yahoogroups.com, "Brian Hansen" <bchansen@s...> 
wrote:
> I bought the Tonelab SE, and after a couple of weeks of use, I 
sent it right
> back to Musicians Friend.  It was really easy to use, but the tone 
was way
> too thin.  Tone wise, I haven't been able to find anything that 
will take
> the place of my 2101 as of yet.  

Brian,
You are absolutely dead on- that the tone on the Tonelab SE is 
bright & thin, more than I expected, much thinner than you get from 
the 2101.
I took a while for me to  use it live because of that.
But I guess I've learned over 30+ years of working in bands and EQ-
ing the guitar in mixes, (I'm 48 and been making money playing gigs 
& recording since I was 15), is that you need more treble to cut 
through other instruments in a mix than you would think, listening 
to just guitar in your practice room. We guitarists tend to want to 
create big, fat, warm, bassy, and heavily distorted tones (got 
RECTO?).
When, in the harsh reality of bands & mixes, we mostly need less 
bass and less dirt than we would like. (YMMV, of course). I took 
some treble off the settings on the Tonelab SE, and started gigging 
with it. Nice thing about that board is, your amp settings are 
always live on your knobs, so on the gig or in the band practice 
room, you can easily tweak the tones mid-song and when you're happy, 
just press write and it's saved that way. 
The Tonelab is great for classic rock, vintage style effects, nice 
Vox wah, tremolos, etc.
It breathes Aerosmith, Lynyrd Skynyrd, AC/DC, Hendrix, Beatles & 
Stones, Pink Floyd. I wouldn't push the Recto style tones on it, 
they're not that great. If you want that, spend the money on a Mesa 
Recto for the real thing. Modelers are all lacking something on that 
sound.
Again the 2101 is still tone KING in my studio.
Gerry O'Dowd

Hi Gerry,

Even with the treble turned all-the-way down, and the bass and mids
all-the-way up, the unit was just way too bright and thin.  I had read some
where that there was some possible quality control issues, so maybe I just
got one of the bad ones off of the line or something.  For ease of use, it
was great, but that's about it.

Blessings,

Brian

> Brian,
> You are absolutely dead on- that the tone on the Tonelab SE is
> bright & thin, more than I expected, much thinner than you get from
> the 2101.
> I took a while for me to  use it live because of that.
> But I guess I've learned over 30+ years of working in bands and EQ-
> ing the guitar in mixes, (I'm 48 and been making money playing gigs
> & recording since I was 15), is that you need more treble to cut
> through other instruments in a mix than you would think, listening
> to just guitar in your practice room. We guitarists tend to want to
> create big, fat, warm, bassy, and heavily distorted tones (got
> RECTO?).
> When, in the harsh reality of bands & mixes, we mostly need less
> bass and less dirt than we would like. (YMMV, of course). I took
> some treble off the settings on the Tonelab SE, and started gigging
> with it. Nice thing about that board is, your amp settings are
> always live on your knobs, so on the gig or in the band practice
> room, you can easily tweak the tones mid-song and when you're happy,
> just press write and it's saved that way.
> The Tonelab is great for classic rock, vintage style effects, nice
> Vox wah, tremolos, etc.
> It breathes Aerosmith, Lynyrd Skynyrd, AC/DC, Hendrix, Beatles &
> Stones, Pink Floyd. I wouldn't push the Recto style tones on it,
> they're not that great. If you want that, spend the money on a Mesa
> Recto for the real thing. Modelers are all lacking something on that
> sound.
> Again the 2101 is still tone KING in my studio.
> Gerry O'Dowd
>
>
>
>
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>
>
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