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Can someone explain to me the connection between Logic  and the price of
fuel..... sorry cant make the connection....

Gareth

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> >"You US dudes don't give a damn"
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> >"the average american citizen doesn't give
> >a damn"
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> First off, those are two very different statements (although both
> still sweeping generalizations).
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> >  - which again is backed up by facts, just have a look a the fuel
> >usage per person in the US, compare that to ANY other country in the world
> >and you'll know what I'm talking about.
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> Since when can you equate fuel consumption with giving a damn?  Sure,
> there are people driving inefficient cars, but there are many other
> people who, while using as little fuel as possible, simply have no
> choice but to drive long distances to get to work!  Trust me, MANY
> people would use less gas if there were some way to make that
> possible.
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Hello Gareth,

 On Saturday, March 17, 2001 at 21:14:41GMT +0200 (which was 08:14 PM where I live) you wrote:

GS> Can someone explain to me the connection between Logic  and the price of
GS> fuel..... sorry cant make the connection....

Some people like to talk nonsense while others like to make music ...
I count myself to the latter while I count the people discussing
fuelprices etc to people who simply haven't anything better to do and
to me are "just some ______(insert insult here :-) on the list"

Well I gotta get back to my music ;-)

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"Andr\ufffd Engelhardt" wrote:
> GS> Can someone explain to me the connection between Logic  and the price
of
> GS> fuel..... sorry cant make the connection....
>
> Some people like to talk nonsense while others like to make music ...
> I count myself to the latter while I count the people discussing
> fuelprices etc to people who simply haven't anything better to do and
> to me are "just some ______(insert insult here :-) on the list"

I don't know if stuff regarding our environment health is nonsense. If it is
for you, fine, but I'm a bit more sensible towards such things and I'd be
glad if more people on this planet were, as we can see it every day what
things lead to when we don't care.
It is however pretty much OT, but that's why I took this thread over to the
L-OT, which IMO actually is something people should do more often as there
has been quite some weird stuff being discussed on the LUG which I consider
being no less OT.

Sascha

Hello Sascha,

 On Sunday, March 18, 2001 at 02:25:34GMT +0100 (which was 02:25 AM where I live) you wrote:

SF> I don't know if stuff regarding our environment health is nonsense. If it is
SF> for you, fine, but I'm a bit more sensible towards such things and I'd be
SF> glad if more people on this planet were, as we can see it every day what
SF> things lead to when we don't care.

No it's not nonsense but it's so completely off-topic that the thread
shouldn't have been "born" in the first place on a pro-audio list...

IMHO

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Hi Andr\ufffd,

> No it's not nonsense but it's so completely off-topic that the thread
> shouldn't have been "born" in the first place on a pro-audio list...

I know.
But if you occasionaly read what I usually post to the LUG you will know
that it's hardly ever OT. There are just very few things that I have to get
off my chest and the recent thing is one of them.
And, you're saying it shouldn't been "born" on a pro-audio list... ahem, I
could tell you hundreds of OT threads (sometimes even more OT than this one)
that generated way more traffic then this one (I mean, there were like 5-10
posts, that's almost nothing).
Plus, at least this thread so far was a unique one ;-) - unlike the "Dongle
vs. no Dongle" or "4.7/5.0/any version when?" threads or (even worse) the
various "PC vs. Mac" (which usually results in some "Bill Gates jokes" kinda
thing) threads, which everybody seems to consider beeing on topic while
almost NEVER resulting in even the slightest bit of information. These
threads usually generate 100-500 mails and sometimes even are continued over
weeks.
So, I don't think a few slightly different OT threads (like the ones about -
IMO great tasting - belgian beer and fries), not even cluttering up your
mailbox a lot, don't exactly do any harm. Plus, I did my best not to keep
this on the LUG as fast as possible which for most OT threads hardly ever
happens (unfortunately).

Cheers,
Sascha

Hi,

I'd like to ask for an opinion to the subscribers of this list: should I
actively moderate _all_ OT threads on the LUG and move them to this list? Please
let me know. Thx.

Bye,
Joeri

Sascha Franck wrote:

> Hi André,
>
> > No it's not nonsense but it's so completely off-topic that the thread
> > shouldn't have been "born" in the first place on a pro-audio list...
>
> I know.
> But if you occasionaly read what I usually post to the LUG you will know
> that it's hardly ever OT. There are just very few things that I have to get
> off my chest and the recent thing is one of them.
> And, you're saying it shouldn't been "born" on a pro-audio list... ahem, I
> could tell you hundreds of OT threads (sometimes even more OT than this one)
> that generated way more traffic then this one (I mean, there were like 5-10
> posts, that's almost nothing).
> Plus, at least this thread so far was a unique one ;-) - unlike the "Dongle
> vs. no Dongle" or "4.7/5.0/any version when?" threads or (even worse) the
> various "PC vs. Mac" (which usually results in some "Bill Gates jokes" kinda
> thing) threads, which everybody seems to consider beeing on topic while
> almost NEVER resulting in even the slightest bit of information. These
> threads usually generate 100-500 mails and sometimes even are continued over
> weeks.
> So, I don't think a few slightly different OT threads (like the ones about -
> IMO great tasting - belgian beer and fries), not even cluttering up your
> mailbox a lot, don't exactly do any harm. Plus, I did my best not to keep
> this on the LUG as fast as possible which for most OT threads hardly ever
> happens (unfortunately).
>
> Cheers,
> Sascha
>
>
>
>
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Yes

Dave Eager

Joeri Vankeirsbilck wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I'd like to ask for an opinion to the subscribers of this list: should
> I
> actively moderate _all_ OT threads on the LUG and move them to this
> list? Please
> let me know. Thx.
>
> Bye,
> Joeri
>
> Sascha Franck wrote:
>
>

Yes.

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> Von: Joeri Vankeirsbilck <joeri@belway.com>
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> 
> Hi,
> 
> I'd like to ask for an opinion to the subscribers of this list: should I
> actively moderate _all_ OT threads on the LUG and move them to this list?
> Please
> let me know. Thx.
> 
> Bye,
> Joeri
> 
> Sascha Franck wrote:
> 
>> Hi André,
>> 
>>> No it's not nonsense but it's so completely off-topic that the thread
>>> shouldn't have been "born" in the first place on a pro-audio list...
>> 
>> I know.
>> But if you occasionaly read what I usually post to the LUG you will know
>> that it's hardly ever OT. There are just very few things that I have to get
>> off my chest and the recent thing is one of them.
>> And, you're saying it shouldn't been "born" on a pro-audio list... ahem, I
>> could tell you hundreds of OT threads (sometimes even more OT than this one)
>> that generated way more traffic then this one (I mean, there were like 5-10
>> posts, that's almost nothing).
>> Plus, at least this thread so far was a unique one ;-) - unlike the "Dongle
>> vs. no Dongle" or "4.7/5.0/any version when?" threads or (even worse) the
>> various "PC vs. Mac" (which usually results in some "Bill Gates jokes" kinda
>> thing) threads, which everybody seems to consider beeing on topic while
>> almost NEVER resulting in even the slightest bit of information. These
>> threads usually generate 100-500 mails and sometimes even are continued over
>> weeks.
>> So, I don't think a few slightly different OT threads (like the ones about -
>> IMO great tasting - belgian beer and fries), not even cluttering up your
>> mailbox a lot, don't exactly do any harm. Plus, I did my best not to keep
>> this on the LUG as fast as possible which for most OT threads hardly ever
>> happens (unfortunately).
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Sascha
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Joeri Vankeirsbilck wrote:
> I'd like to ask for an opinion to the subscribers of this list: should I
> actively moderate _all_ OT threads on the LUG and move them to this list?
Please
> let me know. Thx.

For me the problems in terms of useless list traffic aren't exactly caused
by OT threads but by threads like this:

- "Should I buy a Mac or PC for Logic?" thread (which I would defenitley
consider to be on topic) => Usually results in an endless (and stupid) "Mac
vs. PC" flame war.

- "4.7 features/5.0" threads (not OT,not necessarily senseless either
because some people also offer wise insights about eventual to-be-integrated
features)  => Usually ends in bashing Emagic because not keeping their ETAs.

- "Dongle problems/EXS/ES1 authorisation" threads (again not OT at all
because the person might have serious problems that could be solved) =>
Usually results in accusing Emagic as well, for using such a "lame"
protection scheme, etc. => Usually results in another thread about using
cracked versions because there are no dongle/authorisation problems with
cracks => Usually results in another thread about moral integrity and stuff
like that...<sigh>

Hard to sort these things out I think.

Of course there are lotsa OT threads that could be taken over to the L-OT
way earlier too (just as the "Beetle/Fuel" thread) and this certainly
happens not often enough, but I don't think that these are the threads
actually causing the most senseless traffic.

Regards,
Sascha

Hi Sascha,

Your observations are indeed correct. The "problem" threads are mostly on topic
ones. I'm not sure how to resolve this. I'll try to find some solutions.

As for the OT threads: each time an OT thread has started, I'll suggest to take
it to the OT list and I'll post the subscription and post info of the OT list,
so it's easier for people to subscribe. I hope this has some effect.

Bye,
Joeri

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Thoughts from the mind of Joeri Vankeirsbilck, 18-03-2001:

>I'd like to ask for an opinion to the subscribers of this list: should I
>actively moderate _all_ OT threads on the LUG and move them to this 
>list? Please
>let me know. Thx.

Yes, if that would be possible...  I know this probably means a lot 
more effort (and thus time) on your side, so I don't know how 
feasible it is, but personally I have the feeling that the LUG 
becomes rather unreadable at the moment.

Then there's also the problem that Sascha notes -- that many 
completely crappy threads are, strictly speaking, ON topic, like all 
the "when will 4.7 be there" posts and such.  Maybe it's true that 
these threads waste even more bandwidth than the truly OT ones.  I 
wouldn't know how to deal with this either...

Personally I still believe that forcing every LUGger to subscribe to 
the OT list would be the best solution...


cheers,
HJ
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> Hi Sascha,
> 
> Your observations are indeed correct. The "problem" threads are mostly on
> topic
> ones. I'm not sure how to resolve this. I'll try to find some solutions.
> 
> As for the OT threads: each time an OT thread has started, I'll suggest to
> take
> it to the OT list and I'll post the subscription and post info of the OT list,
> so it's easier for people to subscribe. I hope this has some effect.
> 
> Bye,
> Joeri
> 
> --
> Joeri Vankeirsbilck
> joeri@...
> 
> Belway Productions      -     http://www.belway.com
> List-admin   Logic-users/SoundD*ver-users/Logic-TDM
> 
> 
> 
> 
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