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I've been noticing some interest in Logic 7 by some LUG members
recently and thought folks might find it interesting to learn that
Apple recently applied for trademark rights for the name 'ProBand' as
well as some other names for future products.  This seems like a logical
name for GarageBand's future big brother, (the former emagic Logic??).
It seems like this will probably be the case.  ... Or will there be a
third 'middle of the road' product between the two?

I guess we'll have to wait and see.  Apple has done just that with their
video editing series:

     iMovie --> Final Cut Express --> Final Cut Pro.

Hmmm...  Let's see, maybe... 

    GarageBand  -> Can'tLeaveMyDayJobBand -> ProBand

It seems like this is the way things are going. It should be business as usual (same thing 
happened with iMac G5 for the consumer, G5 tower for pros). The only down side I can see 
to this is loss of the name. It sounds silly but there is so much history in it. In all honesty, I 
wouldn't want to switch from Logic to "ProBand" (what a lame name) independant of a few 
minor advancements. Damn have I been conditioned eh. :)

Although it's hard to complain because Apple seems to have done great things with 
making their professional level products being extremely high quality. It's nice to see a 
split between consusmer and professional rather than putting out a medeocre 'prosumer' 
product to try and satisfy everyone.

Never the less, it should be interresting.

On Sep 23, 2004, at 4:39, waxenpolyester wrote:

>  "ProBand" (what a lame name)

My vote for PröBänd!!!

For more info on "rock dots", see 
http://www.ericforsmark.com/sida.asp?sida=192

per ;-)

waxenpolyester wrote:

> The only down side
> I can see 
> to this is loss of the name. It sounds silly but there is so much history in
> it. In all honesty, I
> wouldn't want to switch from Logic to "ProBand" (what a lame name)

I agree that Pro Band is a pretty lame  name, but personally, I think Logic
is even worse, almost the opposite of "creative".

What about Contra Band? OK, I admit it, now I'm being stupid.

Seriously though, I think Apple should have run a naming competition on this
list.

Andris 


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Hi all,

I am having a strange problem lately. G4 MDD twin proc 1.25GHz with 
MacOS9.2.2. At startup the screen will stay black. The computer goes 
through a fairly normal startup as far as I can tell (the lights on the 
digi interfaces stop blinking and go to their correct setting as they 
should do after a minute or so) but I can't do anything because the 
screen is black (22 cinema display). After restarting once usually the 
screen comes alive but all the maps, the trash and the controlstrip 
have changed location. They seem to think that the screen is much 
smaller and group themselves in the topleft quarter of the screen.

Any ideas what might be causing this and how I can solve it?

Thanks beforehand.

Cheers, Bob.

Bob Lowen
bob.lowen@...

On a fine day, 03-11-2004, Bob Lowen wrote:

>I am having a strange problem lately. G4 MDD twin proc 1.25GHz with
>MacOS9.2.2. At startup the screen will stay black. The computer goes
>through a fairly normal startup as far as I can tell (the lights on the
>digi interfaces stop blinking and go to their correct setting as they
>should do after a minute or so) but I can't do anything because the
>screen is black (22 cinema display). After restarting once usually the
>screen comes alive but all the maps, the trash and the controlstrip
>have changed location. They seem to think that the screen is much
>smaller and group themselves in the topleft quarter of the screen.
>
>Any ideas what might be causing this and how I can solve it?

Not sure what the specific cause of your problem is -- might be 
anything from a simple corrupted preferences file to a serious 
hardware failure.  However, I would start with the 'usual' 
troubleshoot-stuff for OS9.  That is: rebuild the desktop (restart, 
and press Command-Option just before the Finder appears), zap PRAM 
(hold Command-Option-P-R while booting the Mac).  If that doesn't 
work, trash the Finder preferences, trash the Monitors preferences. 
However, the fact that the screen stays black even during startup 
suggest some sort of hardware problem.  Bad cable, bad video card?

-- 
Hendrik Jan Veenstra   h @ k n o w a r e . n l
Omega Art: http://www.omega-art.com/

Thanks Jan. I already did what you suggested at some time and in some 
order. The second time booting also usually solves the problem, but it 
keeps coming back regularly, so I'm beginning to think a hardware 
problem, as you suggested, might be beginning to rear its ugly head.

Cheers, Bob

PS Een NL en een B die in het Engels converseren :-)

Bob Lowen
bob.lowen@...
On 04 Nov 2004, at 09:52, Hendrik Jan Veenstra wrote:

> On a fine day, 03-11-2004, Bob Lowen wrote:
>
>  >I am having a strange problem lately. G4 MDD twin proc 1.25GHz with
>  >MacOS9.2.2. At startup the screen will stay black. The computer goes
>  >through a fairly normal startup as far as I can tell (the lights on 
> the
>  >digi interfaces stop blinking and go to their correct setting as they
>  >should do after a minute or so) but I can't do anything because the
>  >screen is black (22 cinema display). After restarting once usually 
> the
>  >screen comes alive but all the maps, the trash and the controlstrip
>  >have changed location. They seem to think that the screen is much
>  >smaller and group themselves in the topleft quarter of the screen.
>  >
>  >Any ideas what might be causing this and how I can solve it?
>
>  Not sure what the specific cause of your problem is -- might be
>  anything from a simple corrupted preferences file to a serious
>  hardware failure.� However, I would start with the 'usual'
>  troubleshoot-stuff for OS9.� That is: rebuild the desktop (restart,
>  and press Command-Option just before the Finder appears), zap PRAM
>  (hold Command-Option-P-R while booting the Mac).� If that doesn't
>  work, trash the Finder preferences, trash the Monitors preferences.
>  However, the fact that the screen stays black even during startup
>  suggest some sort of hardware problem.� Bad cable, bad video card?
>
>  --
>  Hendrik Jan Veenstra�� h @ k n o w a r e . n l
>  Omega Art: http://www.omega-art.com/
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Hi Bob,

Along with a potential hardware problem,
You may also have a corrupted 9.22 system.
You might want to try reinstalling OS 9.22 from
your software restore disk. Good luck.

Kevin Grady
Allmuzic 24-7
Producer, Composer, Sound Designer, Audio Editor, 
Apple Certified Logic Pro Trainer/Technician
Email: allmuzic247@...

on 11/4/04 3:46 AM, Bob Lowen at rlow@... wrote:

> 
> Thanks Jan. I already did what you suggested at some time and in some
> order. The second time booting also usually solves the problem, but it
> keeps coming back regularly, so I'm beginning to think a hardware
> problem, as you suggested, might be beginning to rear its ugly head.
> 
> Cheers, Bob
> 
> PS Een NL en een B die in het Engels converseren :-)
> 
> Bob Lowen
> bob.lowen@...

if you've got dual boot w/both os's on the same disk (partitions don't fix)
then osx will, WILL write a huge swap file overwriting your os9 stuff if you
start running low on gigs free on the drive. The only solution long term is
to have the dual boot on totally seperate drives. If you can salvage your
stuff cool, i used techtool pro to do but that only worked for so long, hear
disk warrior is better, don't know for sure, do know it neither will fix
this long term if you're dual boot on one drive. In any case apple no longer
tests for os9 at least not in a dual boot on the same drive config and there
aren't really any clear warnings (there might be but i didn't see them) lost
data on boot and external firewires as a result.

hope this helps,
glenn

Thanks Kevin,

If I have to I guess I'll have to, but I would like to postpone that as 
long as possible. I never managed to get OS9 installed on this machine 
myself and had my dealer do it for me. Actually I didn't even get an 
OS9 restore disk with this machine when I bought it. It just came 
installed with OSX. I'd hate to have to take it back to my dealer with 
authorizations on the disk.

Cheers, Bob.

Bob Lowen
bob.lowen@...
On 04 Nov 2004, at 15:20, thebestest4me@... wrote:

>
>  Hi Bob,
>
>  Along with a potential hardware problem,
>  You may also have a corrupted 9.22 system.
>  You might want to try reinstalling OS 9.22 from
>  your software restore disk. Good luck.
>
>  Kevin Grady
>  Allmuzic 24-7
>  Producer, Composer, Sound Designer, Audio Editor,
>  Apple Certified Logic Pro Trainer/Technician
>  Email: allmuzic247@...
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Thanks Glenn,

I don't have a dual boot. It is supposed to be just MacOS9.2.2 and 
that, apart from some lost OSX files, is all I can see on it as far as 
system goes. Actually I didn't install it myself, I asked my dealer to 
install it that way because I couldn't manage getting a clean OS9 
installation on this machine (the last one to have the ability to have 
just OS9 on it but it came with only OSX installed). I never touched 
those OSX files and left well alone since I never had any problems with 
them.

Bob Lowen
bob.lowen@...
On 04 Nov 2004, at 22:07, glenn wrote:

>
>
>
>  on 11/4/04 3:46 AM, Bob Lowen at rlow@... wrote:
>
>  >
>  > Thanks Jan. I already did what you suggested at some time and in 
> some
>  > order. The second time booting also usually solves the problem, but 
> it
>  > keeps coming back regularly, so I'm beginning to think a hardware
>  > problem, as you suggested, might be beginning to rear its ugly head.
>  >
>  > Cheers, Bob
>  >
>  > PS Een NL en een B die in het Engels converseren :-)
>  >
>  > Bob Lowen
>  > bob.lowen@...
>
>  if you've got dual boot w/both os's on the same disk (partitions 
> don't fix)
>  then osx will, WILL write a huge swap file overwriting your os9 stuff 
> if you
>  start running low on gigs free on the drive. The only solution long 
> term is
>  to have the dual boot on totally seperate drives. If you can salvage 
> your
>  stuff cool, i used techtool pro to do but that only worked for so 
> long, hear
>  disk warrior is better, don't know for sure, do know it neither will 
> fix
>  this long term if you're dual boot on one drive. In any case apple no 
> longer
>  tests for os9 at least not in a dual boot on the same drive config 
> and there
>  aren't really any clear warnings (there might be but i didn't see 
> them) lost
>  data on boot and external firewires as a result.
>
>  hope this helps,
>  glenn
>
>
>
>
>
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>I am having a strange problem lately. G4 MDD twin proc 1.25GHz with
  >MacOS9.2.2. At startup the screen will stay black. The computer goes
  >through a fairly normal startup as far as I can tell (the lights on 
the
  >digi interfaces stop blinking and go to their correct setting as they
  >should do after a minute or so) but I can't do anything because the
  >screen is black (22 cinema display). After restarting once usually the
  >screen comes alive but all the maps, the trash and the controlstrip
  >have changed location. They seem to think that the screen is much
  >smaller and group themselves in the topleft quarter of the screen.
  >
  >Any ideas what might be causing this and how I can solve it?


Re the above problem. I believe to have found what caused it. I have 4 
external firewire drives. All LaCie, with two of an older type (which 
easily got corrupted by the way) and which you have to switch on 
manually (the newer ones switch on and off together with the mac). I 
used to switch the older drives on before the computer. That seems to 
have been the problem. Now I switch them on after the computer has gone 
through the complete startup. I have not had anymore problems for 10 
days. I guess (and hope) that was it.

Cheers, Bob

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