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Hi all,

	Does anyone else have experience with a high end crackle 
being introduced by Toast?  I've narrowed it down the the process of 
extracting a file to AIFF.  If I try that several times, sometimes I 
get a clean version.  Other times not.  Occasionally actual skips are 
introduced.

	TIA


Doug

Doug Slickon 5/1/00 2:33 AM, Doug Slick at DSlick@... wrote:

> Does anyone else have experience with a high end crackle
> being introduced by Toast?  I've narrowed it down the the process of
> extracting a file to AIFF.  If I try that several times, sometimes I
> get a clean version.  Other times not.  Occasionally actual skips are
> introduced.

It may have to do with the source CD. Does it play OK in a regular CD
player?. I have had some success restoring scratched CD's that I bought by
extracting the whole CD onto the hard drive and then burning to another CD.
But other times the scratches on the source translate to the aiff file.

>From: Paul Najar <pnajar@...>
>
>Doug Slickon 5/1/00 2:33 AM, Doug Slick at DSlick@... wrote:
>
> > Does anyone else have experience with a high end crackle
> > being introduced by Toast?
>
>It may have to do with the source CD. Does it play OK in a regular CD
>player?. I have had some success restoring scratched CD's that I bought by
>extracting the whole CD onto the hard drive and then burning to another CD.
>But other times the scratches on the source translate to the aiff file.
>
>-
	Hi Paul,

	Thanks for the response.  The original CD plays fine.  The 
distortions seem to be introduced by Toast at some point.  My general 
procedure is to drag the original files to Toast and then extract 
them to AIFF files on a dedicated partition of my drive.  I save the 
tune configuration to the drive also.  I then re-boot with a scaled 
down set of extensions, open the saved tune configuration and burn 
the CD copy.

	Sometimes I hear crackles or skips in the AIFF files playing 
from the drive.  Sometimes those files sound fine, and problems don't 
appear until I'm checking the final copy.  It's so inconsistent that 
I'm wondering if it's something weird like static build up??

	I would appreciate any thoughts you might have.







Doug

Doug Slickon 6/1/00 3:38 AM, Doug Slick at DSlick@... wrote:

> Thanks for the response.  The original CD plays fine.  The
> distortions seem to be introduced by Toast at some point.  My general
> procedure is to drag the original files to Toast and then extract
> them to AIFF files on a dedicated partition of my drive.  I save the
> tune configuration to the drive also.

What do you mean by tune configuration?

> I then re-boot with a scaled
> down set of extensions, open the saved tune configuration and burn
> the CD copy.
> 
> Sometimes I hear crackles or skips in the AIFF files playing
> from the drive.  Sometimes those files sound fine, and problems don't
> appear until I'm checking the final copy.  It's so inconsistent that
> I'm wondering if it's something weird like static build up??
> 
> I would appreciate any thoughts you might have.

Hmmm....Check adaptec's site to see weather there is an updated driver for
your particular CD Burner.

Also try using another program to rip the tracks off the source CD. Try
using Logic to do it, or if you have need for mp3 encoding, check out the
App "Sound Jam MP" from Cassady & Greene. It's only $50 us and I thourghly
recommend it. It will batch a whole CD of audio into aiff and has the very
nice feature of being internet savvy and with the click of one button it
will go online to this huge CD database and get all the track names and
automatically name all the tracks you are lifting. This takes about 5
seconds!

Anyhow, obviously don't bother till you get to the source of your problems.

Good luck...

> I save the
> > tune configuration to the drive also.
>
>What do you mean by tune configuration?

	It's called virtual image in the manual.


>
>Hmmm....Check adaptec's site to see weather there is an updated driver for
>your particular CD Burner.

	I didn't see mention of drivers for my CD-R, but I did 
download the latest version of Toast.  No change unfortunately.  I 
also tried using Toast Audio Extractor but had even worse results.


>Also try using another program to rip the tracks off the source CD. Try
>using Logic to do it

	Please pardon the stupid question, but how do I do that?  I 
have been using Logic for MIDI and scoring.  I don't see it mentioned 
in the manual.  I don't have a audio card up and running yet.  I 
suppose that's required for this?  I just put in a card but I don't 
have the software installed yet.

	Thanks.




Doug

Doug Slickon 8/1/00 5:09 PM, Doug Slick at DSlick@... wrote:

> Please pardon the stupid question, but how do I do that?  I have been using
> Logic for MIDI and scoring.  I don't see it mentioned in the manual.  I don't
> have a audio card up and running yet.  I suppose that's required for this?  I
> just put in a card but I don't have the software installed yet.

OK. Use the Open movie command. Navigate to the audio CD. Select which track
you want. select a save destination but before you save click the options
button in the dialog window and make sure it's set to 16 bit, 44.1K. Save
the movie. When its done a fake movie window will be displayed. Close this
window. Go to the audio window and select "ADD audiofile". Navigate to the
file you just saved and add it to the audio list.

You're done...

BTW, you must have quicktime installed to do this.

>Doug Slickon 8/1/00 5:09 PM, Doug Slick at DSlick@... wrote:
>
> > Please pardon the stupid question, but how do I do that?  I have been using
> > Logic for MIDI and scoring.  I don't see it mentioned in the manual.
>
OK. Use the Open movie command.  <snip>

	Hi Paul,
	I've been trying various methods of ripping the tracks from 
my source CDs.  All methods (Logic included) introduced nasty sounds 
occasionally.  I found that rebooting worked most times.  Sometimes 
changing to the CD-R drive to read the source CD worked.  I feel like 
I'm chasing gremlins here.  No real culprit to point the finger at, 
but a work around none the less.  I have been told that burning audio 
CDs was tricky...

	Thanks for your help.  It's great to know about another 
capability of LA.  I did find it in the manual once I knew to look at 
the Quicktime functions.  It's been mentioned on LUG recently as well.

L8R






Doug

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Hi,


>         I've been trying various methods of ripping the tracks from
> my source CDs.  All methods (Logic included) introduced nasty sounds
> occasionally.  I found that rebooting worked most times.

Sounds like a SCSI problem to me. Check termination and ID's!

Ciao,
Joeri
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Thanks Joeri.  I checked out ID's & termination.  All seem OK.

	My latest tip from a user is that the problem may be in the 
CD ROM drive that I'm using for the source CDs.  BTW, I've tried a 
variety of source CDs with the same results.  I have used my CD-R 
drive to play the source CDs with mixed results in the past, but it 
seems to be less of a problem than the CD ROM.  I'm just going to 
keep gathering notes about the problem as I go on with work. 
Eventually I'll run into some cause or another.

	Thanks for your response.


>From: Joeri Vankeirsbilck <joeri@...>
>
>Hi,
>
>
> >         I've been trying various methods of ripping the tracks from
> > my source CDs.  All methods (Logic included) introduced nasty sounds
> > occasionally.  I found that rebooting worked most times.
>
>Sounds like a SCSI problem to me. Check termination and ID's!
>
>Ciao,
>Joeri
>--

Doug

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Doug Slickon 23/1/00 2:43 PM, Doug Slick at DSlick@... wrote:

> My latest tip from a user is that the problem may be in the
> CD ROM drive that I'm using for the source CDs.  BTW, I've tried a
> variety of source CDs with the same results.  I have used my CD-R
> drive to play the source CDs with mixed results in the past, but it
> seems to be less of a problem than the CD ROM.  I'm just going to
> keep gathering notes about the problem as I go on with work.
> Eventually I'll run into some cause or another.

This is interesting. Have you tried using your CD-R drive to extract the
audio onto the HD and then burn it back to the same drive? This would clear
that question up regarding you CD-ROM drive.....

>From: Paul Najar <pnajar@...>
>
>Doug Slickon 23/1/00 2:43 PM, Doug Slick at DSlick@... wrote:
>
> > My latest tip from a user is that the problem may be in the
> > CD ROM drive that I'm using for the source CDs. <snip>



>This is interesting. Have you tried using your CD-R drive to extract the
>audio onto the HD and then burn it back to the same drive? This would clear
>that question up regarding you CD-ROM drive.....
>
>

	I do seem to be getting more consistent results by using the 
CD-R drive for extraction and burning.  I tried this approach earlier 
and had the crackle appear so I eliminated the drive as a source of 
the problem.  Revisiting the issue seems to have been successful for 
now.  I have no other problems with the CD ROM drive.  I'll keep the 
CDs burning...

	Thanks for all your help.



 

Doug

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