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ARMermelator

2004-01-28 by Pablo Bleyer Kocik

Hello.

  Some time ago I wrote about our ARMermelator board. Well, I just finished 
assembling and testing hardware version 1.2 of the core module and uploaded 
a couple of dirty scans to our web site. So if you are curious you can 
point your browser to http://www.embedded.cl/gallery/ARMermelator/ (Step-up 
regulator configuration shown, I've got the board running with a 1V input ;O)

  Does anyone know the status of the LPC22XXs with external memory controllers?

  Cheer-ios!


--                /"Scilab is french, and 'homeland security'
PabloBleyerKocik / will put spy cams in your bog, and swap your
  pbleyer        / wife for an android if you use it."
   @... / -- simon at comp.soft-sys.math.scilab

Re: ARMermelator

2004-01-28 by kendwyer

I have not heard any news on the new LPC's with external 
memory....Anyone?

If you need a low cost ARM7 with external memory controller, Oki have 
similar parts to Philips that do support external Flash, SRAM, Memory 
mapped I/O and SDRAM. These parts are in full production and cost 
around the same or less that the Philips. see okisemi.com/us

Anyone any comments on ARM inc purchasing Tricend?

--- In lpc2100@yahoogroups.com, Pablo Bleyer Kocik <pbk@e...> wrote:
> 
>   Hello.
> 
>   Some time ago I wrote about our ARMermelator board. Well, I just 
finished 
> assembling and testing hardware version 1.2 of the core module and 
uploaded 
> a couple of dirty scans to our web site. So if you are curious you 
can 
> point your browser to http://www.embedded.cl/gallery/ARMermelator/ 
(Step-up 
> regulator configuration shown, I've got the board running with a 1V 
input ;O)
> 
>   Does anyone know the status of the LPC22XXs with external memory 
controllers?
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> 
>   Cheer-ios!
> 
> 
> --                /"Scilab is french, and 'homeland security'
> PabloBleyerKocik / will put spy cams in your bog, and swap your
>   pbleyer        / wife for an android if you use it."
>    @... / -- simon at comp.soft-sys.math.scilab

Re: [lpc2100] Re: ARMermelator

2004-01-28 by Bill Knight

On Wed, 28 Jan 2004 15:41:00 -0000, kendwyer wrote:


I have not heard any news on the new LPC's with external 
memory....Anyone?

If you need a low cost ARM7 with external memory controller, Oki have 
similar parts to Philips that do support external Flash, SRAM, Memory 
mapped I/O and SDRAM. These parts are in full production and cost 
around the same or less that the Philips. see okisemi.com/us

-----------------------------------------------------------
I understand the LPC2212/2214 is due for formal announcement any time now.
It has an external memory controller in addition to the current perpherials
all housed in an LQFP-144 pckage.  Internal RAM is 16K, flash is 128/256K.

-Bill Knight
R O SoftWare

Re: ARMermelator

2004-01-29 by lpc2100_fan

Hi Bill,

I agree the Oki parts are nice BUT, it is my understanding that they
cost approx. the same amount without Flash as the LPC2104 with Flash.
Adding an external bus to the LPC2100 and staying in a similar price
range with flash is what I expect from Philips and in this case
Philips will have the small devices (microcontroller) and the devices
with the external bus. However, I do agree, the Philips portfolio
needs these additional devices to cover applications with larger
memories or memory mapped I/O. There are a couple major shows coming
uo, may be there will be announcements. First the Embedded World in
Nuremberg, then the Embedded Systems Conference in San Francisco. If
neither triggers official announcements and availability of
documentation, I will give the OKI device another close look but until
then I want to believe the rumors that the external bus devices are
due very soon.

Cheers, Bob

--- In lpc2100@yahoogroups.com, "Bill Knight" <BillK@r...> wrote:
> On Wed, 28 Jan 2004 15:41:00 -0000, kendwyer wrote:
> 
> 
> I have not heard any news on the new LPC's with external 
> memory....Anyone?
> 
> If you need a low cost ARM7 with external memory controller, Oki have 
> similar parts to Philips that do support external Flash, SRAM, Memory 
> mapped I/O and SDRAM. These parts are in full production and cost 
> around the same or less that the Philips. see okisemi.com/us
> 
> -----------------------------------------------------------
> I understand the LPC2212/2214 is due for formal announcement any
time now.
> It has an external memory controller in addition to the current
perpherials
> all housed in an LQFP-144 pckage.  Internal RAM is 16K, flash is
128/256K.
Show quoted textHide quoted text
> 
> -Bill Knight
> R O SoftWare

Re: [lpc2100] Re: ARMermelator

2004-01-29 by Ben Dooks

... We have used the Oki ML674001s with external SST flash, as well as SDRAM (32Mb). We are intending to use the ML675001s as they have a higher clock rating

Re: [lpc2100] Re: ARMermelator

2004-01-29 by Bill Knight

On Thu, 29 Jan 2004 01:40:54 -0000, lpc2100_fan wrote:

Hi Bill,

I agree the Oki parts are nice BUT, it is my understanding that they
cost approx. the same amount without Flash as the LPC2104 with Flash.
Adding an external bus to the LPC2100 and staying in a similar price
range with flash is what I expect from Philips and in this case
Philips will have the small devices (microcontroller) and the devices
with the external bus. However, I do agree, the Philips portfolio
needs these additional devices to cover applications with larger
memories or memory mapped I/O. There are a couple major shows coming
uo, may be there will be announcements. First the Embedded World in
Nuremberg, then the Embedded Systems Conference in San Francisco. If
neither triggers official announcements and availability of
documentation, I will give the OKI device another close look but until
then I want to believe the rumors that the external bus devices are
due very soon.

Cheers, Bob

--- In lpc2100@yahoogroups.com, "Bill Knight" <BillK@r...> wrote:
> I understand the LPC2212/2214 is due for formal announcement any
time now.
> It has an external memory controller in addition to the current
perpherials
> all housed in an LQFP-144 pckage.  Internal RAM is 16K, flash is
128/256K.

========================================================================
My response became merged with the comments about the Oki parts.  I was
commenting on the to-be-announced Philips ARM with external address & data
bus.  Anyway two additional comments for now.
1) The Oki parts look nice for ARM7 projects like uClinux because of their
SDRAM controller, (and relatively low cost).  In my mind, their one significant
drawback is the somewhat slow clock speeds.  I understand thay operate in the
25MHz range.  The new NetSilicon part looks prettry nice along that line.
SDRAM controller, internal ethernet, less than $20USD in low volume & less than
$10 in moderate volumes.  However, docs, availablility, and support could be issues
for both vendors.
2) I talked with my Philips guy yesterday and he assured me there was no problem
in letting the group know that the LPC2212 & LPC2214 are real and will be formally
announced soon.  I have a pre-release of the user guide (sorry, don't think I can share
yet), and have silicon samples in hand.  I also have an eval board in fab which should
be back by the end of next week.  Once I get the bugs out, I plan to make it available.
The eval board has:
1) LPC2214 (external busses plus same perpherials as the LPC2114)
2) 256K of 32-bit SRAM (capable of 1MB)
3) DB9 serial port connectors, 1 for host, 1 for MODEM
4) 20-pin JTAG connector
5) external, battery backed RTC (i2c)
6) CompactFlash connector - memory mode & i/o mode capable
7) CS8900 10BaseT ethernet controller
8) expansion connector with power & unused LPC signals for future piggyback board
9) fits into a 5"x5" PacTec box
10) PB switches for RESET & BOOT LOAD
Because of the complexity of the design and working on it is not my pay-the-bills
job, I'm not real sure when I will be able to turn the board loose in the world.
Hopefully soon.

Regards
-Bill Knight
R O SoftWare

Re: ARMermelator

2004-01-29 by Peter

> 
> Anyone any comments on ARM inc purchasing Tricend?
> 

It is an interesting development... when I mentioned in '96 that the 
number of off-the-shelf microcontrollers available could be counted 
on the fingers of one foot (ok, there were a few), I was told ARM 
doesn't design complete microcontrollers for licensing because 
that's where semiconductor partners add in their value - with their 
own peripheral sets targeted at the markets they are strong in.

Of course, ARM's design consulting group has always put together 
complete solutions that are available off the shelf, working with 
semiconductor partners, for example the ARM7100 used in Psion 5, 
StrongARM 1100, and ARM7500.

The Triscend deal does seem to up the ante however, bringing in 
microcontroller-specific architects. I wonder how it will sit with 
SP's like Philips and Oki who have their own general-purpose 
microcontrollers?

I noticed that the CEO of Triscend is Reynette Au, who I presume is 
the same Reynette Au who was marketing director of ARM a couple of 
years back. Coincidence? You be the judge ;)

Peter.

Re: ARMermelator

2004-01-29 by kendwyer

Hi Bill,
Can you tell me any more on the new LPC devices, do they support 
SDRAM? Does the external memory use their "cache"?

Further clarfication on OKI..... The 674K series are rated at 33MHz 
and the 675K at 60MHz, both families have internal flash options as 
well as other perihperals....
On support I think Oki can give good support to customers, they 
provide full documentation and a range of sample code for their 
MCU's. Also support for many compiler/debugger options, eg 
ADS,RealView, GHS, Ashling, Nohau and GNU.....

Ken


--- In lpc2100@yahoogroups.com, "Bill Knight" <BillK@r...> wrote:
> On Thu, 29 Jan 2004 01:40:54 -0000, lpc2100_fan wrote:
> 
> Hi Bill,
> 
> I agree the Oki parts are nice BUT, it is my understanding that they
> cost approx. the same amount without Flash as the LPC2104 with 
Flash.
> Adding an external bus to the LPC2100 and staying in a similar price
> range with flash is what I expect from Philips and in this case
> Philips will have the small devices (microcontroller) and the 
devices
> with the external bus. However, I do agree, the Philips portfolio
> needs these additional devices to cover applications with larger
> memories or memory mapped I/O. There are a couple major shows coming
> uo, may be there will be announcements. First the Embedded World in
> Nuremberg, then the Embedded Systems Conference in San Francisco. If
> neither triggers official announcements and availability of
> documentation, I will give the OKI device another close look but 
until
> then I want to believe the rumors that the external bus devices are
> due very soon.
> 
> Cheers, Bob
> 
> --- In lpc2100@yahoogroups.com, "Bill Knight" <BillK@r...> wrote:
> > I understand the LPC2212/2214 is due for formal announcement any
> time now.
> > It has an external memory controller in addition to the current
> perpherials
> > all housed in an LQFP-144 pckage.  Internal RAM is 16K, flash is
> 128/256K.
> 
> 
======================================================================
==
> My response became merged with the comments about the Oki parts.  I 
was
> commenting on the to-be-announced Philips ARM with external address 
& data
> bus.  Anyway two additional comments for now.
> 1) The Oki parts look nice for ARM7 projects like uClinux because 
of their
> SDRAM controller, (and relatively low cost).  In my mind, their one 
significant
> drawback is the somewhat slow clock speeds.  I understand thay 
operate in the
> 25MHz range.  The new NetSilicon part looks prettry nice along that 
line.
> SDRAM controller, internal ethernet, less than $20USD in low volume 
& less than
> $10 in moderate volumes.  However, docs, availablility, and support 
could be issues
> for both vendors.
> 2) I talked with my Philips guy yesterday and he assured me there 
was no problem
> in letting the group know that the LPC2212 & LPC2214 are real and 
will be formally
> announced soon.  I have a pre-release of the user guide (sorry, 
don't think I can share
> yet), and have silicon samples in hand.  I also have an eval board 
in fab which should
> be back by the end of next week.  Once I get the bugs out, I plan 
to make it available.
> The eval board has:
> 1) LPC2214 (external busses plus same perpherials as the LPC2114)
> 2) 256K of 32-bit SRAM (capable of 1MB)
> 3) DB9 serial port connectors, 1 for host, 1 for MODEM
> 4) 20-pin JTAG connector
> 5) external, battery backed RTC (i2c)
> 6) CompactFlash connector - memory mode & i/o mode capable
> 7) CS8900 10BaseT ethernet controller
> 8) expansion connector with power & unused LPC signals for future 
piggyback board
> 9) fits into a 5"x5" PacTec box
> 10) PB switches for RESET & BOOT LOAD
> Because of the complexity of the design and working on it is not my 
pay-the-bills
> job, I'm not real sure when I will be able to turn the board loose 
in the world.
Show quoted textHide quoted text
> Hopefully soon.
> 
> Regards
> -Bill Knight
> R O SoftWare

Re: [lpc2100] Re: ARMermelator

2004-01-29 by Bill Knight

On Thu, 29 Jan 2004 15:17:02 -0000, kendwyer wrote:

Hi Bill,
Can you tell me any more on the new LPC devices, do they support 
SDRAM? Does the external memory use their "cache"?

Further clarfication on OKI..... The 674K series are rated at 33MHz 
and the 675K at 60MHz, both families have internal flash options as 
well as other perihperals....
On support I think Oki can give good support to customers, they 
provide full documentation and a range of sample code for their 
MCU's. Also support for many compiler/debugger options, eg 
ADS,RealView, GHS, Ashling, Nohau and GNU.....

====================================================================
The external memory controller is for SRAM, ROM, FLASH, & Burst ROM.
It does not do SDRAM (or DRAM).  The address and data busses can be
up to 32-bits wide.  When not being used as part of a bus, the pins
are available as GPIO plus sume of the internal peripherals.  It does
not use the cache.  WAIT states are programmable up to 32. There is NO
'WAIT' line.

-Bill

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