Re: [motm] Using a Lag an an Envelope Follower -- Not Quite
2000-07-21 by Doug Pearson
... I guess this is the part where I speak up and add that I m one of the few people in the world who *really, really* likes the external signal processor on
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Re: [motm] Using a Lag an an Envelope Follower -- Not Quite
2000-07-21 by jwbarlow@aol.com
... Thanks Ken for this more accurate (and detailed) explanation! ... I like these basic controls here Ken, but one reason why I keep harping on certain
Re: [motm] Mixer thoughts
2000-07-20 by jhaible
My two cents: Make it switchable. DC (and precision audio ) path is around a low offset voltage opamp that s fairly good for audio range as well (i.e. an
RE: [motm] MOTM-ing the perfect 909 kick
2000-07-20 by David Bivins
You don t really need much--a couple of self-oscillating filters and EGs will work pretty well, or a couple of oscillators and EGs. Basically you want to sweep
RE: [motm] "micro-hocketing" and MOTM-700
2000-07-20 by David Bivins
Well, that s why I made up the term micro-hocketing because I really do want to do it by note, not phrase. I don t have a word for it. So because Bradley
RE: [motm] MOTM-ing the perfect 909 kick
2000-07-20 by improv@peak.org
Thanks, I ll give this a shot! ... ____________________________________________ Dave Trenkel : improv@peak.org Minus Web Site: http://listen.to/minusmusic
Re: [motm] "micro-hocketing" and MOTM-700
2000-07-20 by improv@peak.org
It seems like you could do something similar with a like,16 channel VC-switch: it d have 1 CV input and 16 outputs, and a gate input that on each step of the
"micro-hocketing" and MOTM-700
2000-07-20 by David Bivins
So get a bunch of MOTM-700s and a CV sequencer (sequencer with voltage output). Run the sequence into the first 700, set the threshold in the middle so you re
RE: [motm] "micro-hocketing" and MOTM-700
2000-07-20 by Dave Bradley
Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain! Moe
MOTM-ing the perfect 909 kick
2000-07-20 by improv@peak.org
So here s a thought experiment for all you. Given a relatively complex MOTM system (all modules present, duplicates of a few), how would you go about
RE: [motm] "micro-hocketing" and MOTM-700
2000-07-20 by Dave Bradley
Hmmm. What you really want is to control the timbre by phrase, not by individual note. You need to run a separate synchronized sequencer to control the
Thanks
2000-07-20 by Steve Maietta
thanks for the module suggestions guys.. The situation is more complex now because I just finished my minimodular and now have many new (basic) modules to
Using a Lag an an Envelope Follower -- Not Quite
2000-07-20 by Tkacs, Ken
Yes, that s right-the first stage is usually a full-wave rectifier. This makes the negative phase of the input signal positive and fills in the holes
Re: [motm] Re: lag as EF
2000-07-20 by jwbarlow@aol.com
... When I have run my preamped guitar through a lag processor the output is filtered with like a simple 1 pole LPF. I believe an envelope follower has (at
Re: [motm] Re: lag as EF
2000-07-20 by alt-mode
I think it would be an AR triggered from the input but it would not produce a contour comparable to the input. Many envelope followers generate an output
RE: lag as EF
2000-07-20 by Tkacs, Ken
A lag integrator *is* a component of an Envelope Follower, but traditionally an Envelope Follower has a trigger detector circuit as well, and some fine tuning
Re: [motm] Re: lag as EF
2000-07-20 by elhardt@aol.com
... I thought somebody else would chime in before I got back to this. I would assume if you run a guitar or mic or any other audio source into the lag
great chat lately
2000-07-20 by revtor@aol.com
Imagine! seven new modules in the next year or so!!!!!!!! that would make the total # of available modules. . 18 i think? 18 available different modules
Re: [motm] accurate DC and AC in one package
2000-07-20 by J. Larry Hendry
Tony (and all), I built Tony s mixer with the plain old TL072s and was quite pleased with the results. I was especially happy with the way reversing was
Re: [motm] accurate DC and AC in one package
2000-07-19 by J. Larry Hendry
... I agree gentlemen. Usefulness and do you need this or that? should be the basis for design anyhow. But, I thought the discussion about how one might
Re: [motm] accurate DC and AC in one package
2000-07-19 by Paul Schreiber
... This is exactly where I ll probably compromise. The modules that really are looking for accurate DC *already* have a 3-in mixer. The question the begs
Re: [motm] Mixer thoughts
2000-07-19 by Paul Schreiber
... The VCO input mixer is a slow LT1013. We really want low drift here! The FM-ing using audio is inherently band-limited because we are using mainly sine
Re: [motm] accurate DC and AC in one package
2000-07-19 by alt-mode
I second this approach. I d rather have a good audio mixer that does DC than a hugely accurate DC mixer or a very expensive mixer that does both. The voltage
RE: [motm] Mixer thoughts
2000-07-19 by Tkacs, Ken
Or an AC/DC switch as on the router? ... From: J. Larry Hendry [mailto:jlarryh@iquest.net] Sent: Tuesday, 18 July, 2000 8:23 PM To: motm@egroups.com Subject:
Re: [motm] Mixer thoughts
2000-07-19 by davevosh@aol.com
In a message dated 00-07-18 11:21:37 EDT, you write:
Re: [motm] accurate DC and AC in one package
2000-07-19 by Tony Allgood
Op-amps for mixers... OK I specify the TL072 in my multimix. Its OK for audio, and less than perfect for CV. But still usable in most if not all situations. I
Re: lag as EF
2000-07-19 by perpetual
... enh? do enlighten... alex perpetual@uswest.net dickey
Re: [motm] VCDO?
2000-07-19 by Hugo Haesaert
Hi All ! Good idea, but some extra features would be nice : once one has a pic (or other avr :) ) on board, it should nt be too difficult to have a sound
Re: [motm] accurate DC and AC in one package
2000-07-19 by John E Blacet
Surprised no one has brought up lin versus log pots! I used linear pots in the MX2040, but used a resistor trick to flatten the curve a bit around
Re: [motm] accurate DC and AC in one package
2000-07-19 by Cary Roberts
The easiest thing to do is to take Blacet s mixer and put it behind a MOTM panel. Larry Hendry did an amazing job with his. Maybe I m the only oddball on the
Re: [motm] Mixer thoughts
2000-07-19 by elhardt@aol.com
... before saying they don t need both AC and DC in the same mixer. Say you want to mix an EG s output with an LFO or OSC before sending it to a filter or
Re: [motm] accurate DC and AC in one package
2000-07-19 by J. Larry Hendry
... From: Cary Roberts Maybe I m missing something here, but do you need more than one opamp for gain make-up? I thought the goal was
Re: [motm] Re: stinking guitar players
2000-07-19 by elhardt@aol.com
... envelope followers are good for more than just guitar and are the number one desired module on my list right now.
Re: [motm] accurate DC and AC in one package
2000-07-19 by Cary Roberts
... Maybe I m missing something here, but do you need more than one opamp for gain make-up? I thought the goal was the less the better. Personally I d like to
accurate DC and AC in one package
2000-07-19 by J. Larry Hendry
OK, here are some other thoughts for a mixer that could offer the best of audio mixing coupled with some accurate DC mixing too. Feel free to criticize,
Re: [motm] Re: stinking guitar players
2000-07-19 by J. Larry Hendry
... You will notice that both Moe and I have cuught on to your little tricks and are far too advanced in our Stoogeism to fall for such a lame excuse for bait.
Re: RE: [motm] Mixer thoughts
2000-07-19 by jwbarlow@aol.com
... You have a great point Cary! But I wonder if a compromise could be made such that a mixer designed for DC (or more precisely CV and modulation) would
Re: [motm] Re: stinking guitar players
2000-07-19 by jwbarlow@aol.com
... Envelope Followers are great for a lot of things and are definitely a must for any good modular! I m really looking forward to the MOTM module. I think it
Re: stinking guitar players
2000-07-19 by perpetual
... while i can t deny the historical patterns implicit in this argument, envelope followers are good for more than just guitar and are the number one desired
RE: [motm] Mixer thoughts
2000-07-19 by Cary Roberts
... People need to think about the possible applications of mixers before saying they don t need both AC and DC in the same mixer. Say you want to mix an EG s
RE: [motm] Mixer thoughts
2000-07-19 by Paul Wagorn
how about an ac mixer with 1 seperate dc offset channel? that should do for almost any application, because most modules already have a dc input..allowing you
Re: [motm] MOTM heresy here!
2000-07-19 by J. Larry Hendry
I have built one of these and I must compliment Tony on the performance for part count ratio. This is a neat little mixer for not too many parts. And, Dave
RE: [motm] Mixer thoughts
2000-07-19 by Brousseau, Paul E (Paul)
Nah, gimme one that does both. That would, if I understand correctly, be able to handle DC-offsets to AC signals without cause for alarm. Or, would you be
Re: [motm] Mixer thoughts
2000-07-19 by J. Larry Hendry
Paul S wrote: So, I have toyed with at least 4 different ways to go, including a 100% discrete cascode JFET design. But what I ll have to do is just bite the
Re: [motm] VCDO?
2000-07-18 by The Old Crow
... Outfit the module with a flashrom that can store several, then use a MIDI sysex interface on the panel to upload a wavetable. ... Yah, pretty easy to do,
RE: [motm] Mixer thoughts
2000-07-18 by Dave Bradley
... This is probably wildly impractical, but would it be possible to split out the dc component of the signal, amplify the ac component with the killer audio
Mixer thoughts
2000-07-18 by Paul Schreiber
The reason a mixer is taking so long is the quest for the perfect op-amp. This is an op amp this is suitable for both audio mixing AND DC (control voltages).
RE: [motm] MOTM heresy here!
2000-07-18 by Dave Bradley
If you re gonna build your own mixer, easiest thing is to buy 1 or 2 of Tony Allgood s mixer pcbs, buy a few parts and stick it behind a MOTM panel. It uses a
MOTM heresy here!
2000-07-18 by LD
This is heresy to suggest..But since many MOTMERS seem to be in dire need of a full featured mixer here is my suggestion...Barry Klein has plans for such a
RE: VCDO?
2000-07-18 by John Speth
Here s my 2 cents.... I like the VCDO idea. But I d rather not be slaved to a write once (for all practical purposes) wave library. How about, instead of