Emu XL-7 & MP-7 User's Group

I have an XL rom in my MP-7. The XL-7 patterns do not recognize the 
presets. Do I just download the XL presets in the files bank to 
correct this? I assume I have to install as user, right. I am new to 
e-loader if anyone has any tips. I just did the OS2 update and 
download patterns last night. Thanks for your help.
Merry Christmas,
  Tom

I will say the PX-7 Rom seems a bit stuffed.
I would rather have had quality over quantity.
Are the others as "diverse"?

-m@

I think the PX-7 ROM actually has the least amount of samples of all 
the ROMs, I personally think the acoustic kits are great.  What 
didn't you like about it?

rEalm

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "Matt Picone" <matman@m...> wrote:

> I will say the PX-7 Rom seems a bit stuffed.
> I would rather have had quality over quantity.
> Are the others as "diverse"?
> 
> -m@

> I think the PX-7 ROM actually has the least amount of samples of all 
> the ROMs, I personally think the acoustic kits are great.  What 
> didn't you like about it?

The drums ARE good. It's the superfuous electric pianos, synths, basses,
etc. that bug me!

All in all, I am VERY happy with this purchase. I'm wondering if more
ROMS = higher satisfaction. 

-m@

> 
> All in all, I am VERY happy with this purchase. I'm wondering if 
more  ROMS = higher satisfaction. 

Depends on what you are looking for,eh? Plus how much you like to 
mess with the synthesis part. If you search the archives, there is 
lots of info on what the other roms contain, it may help you out.
Personally, I don't see how having more raw samples to work with 
could ever be a detriment.
dana

Just for comparative purposes: The Advanced Orchestra ROM lists a 
paultry 58 ROM Instruments (with two banks of presets based on those 
instruments).  I have seen no documentation on this, but I highly 
suspect (i.e., willing to bet just on the basis of my own two ears) 
that each of those 58 instruments has multiple samples.

Point 1: If I am right, the number of rom instruments does not tell 
you anything about the number of samples a rom has. (Anyone know if 
sample lists/maps are available for the roms?)

Point 2: If I am right, I suppose I could create my own orchestras by 
putting different rom instruments on different layers and zoning them 
across the playable spectrum.  I believe you (realm) has already 
described how to do this to create customized drum maps.

Point 3: I haven't compared the Advanced Orchestra ROM with other 
orchestras (roms, synths, software), but others seem to have rated 
this ROM very highly.  (That's why I got it.)

Hope this adds to the quality v. quantity discussion.

--Dr. Steve

PS: rEalm, thanks for your very kind words of a week or so ago.


--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "realm619" <erik_magrini@B...> wrote:

> I think the PX-7 ROM actually has the least amount of samples of
> all the ROMs, I personally think the acoustic kits are great.  What 
> didn't you like about it?
> 
> --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "Matt Picone" <matman@m...> wrote:
> > I will say the PX-7 Rom seems a bit stuffed.
> > I would rather have had quality over quantity.
> > Are the others as "diverse"?

> Depends on what you are looking for,eh?

Noises for exotic synthetic drums and percussion, possibly more
acoustic/electric drums etc.

> Plus how much you like to 
> mess with the synthesis part. 

I like "messing" a lot!

-m@

on 12/27/03 3:51 PM, Matt Picone wrote:

>> Depends on what you are looking for,eh?
> 
> Noises for exotic synthetic drums and percussion,
> possibly more acoustic/electric drums etc.

you have what you need already.

time to get into the synthesis engine!! =)


cheers,
aeon

Try spending all day browsing samples looking for THE one, ungh!

rEalm

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "dwoodaman" <dwoodaman@y...> wrote:

> > 
> > All in all, I am VERY happy with this purchase. I'm wondering if 
> more  ROMS = higher satisfaction. 
> 
> Depends on what you are looking for,eh? Plus how much you like to 
> mess with the synthesis part. If you search the archives, there is 
> lots of info on what the other roms contain, it may help you out.
> Personally, I don't see how having more raw samples to work with 
> could ever be a detriment.
> dana

Just moving this question back up in the list.. Also is there an easy 
way to take all of the presets from my patterns and organize and save 
them in the user banks without doing it one at a time from within the 
unit. It seems eloader should help with this, but I am not sure I 
really know how to work with it. Please read on down... thanks and 
happy new year!
--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "dj 61" <dj61@d...> wrote:
> I have an XL rom in my MP-7. The XL-7 patterns do not recognize the 
> presets. Do I just download the XL presets in the files bank to 
> correct this? I assume I have to install as user, right. I am new 
to 

> e-loader if anyone has any tips. I just did the OS2 update and 
> download patterns last night. Thanks for your help.
> Merry Christmas,
>   Tom

Hello Tom
We had this issue here a few months ago and all the talk of MSB´s and 
LSB´s really confused me.(Enter rEalm/Steve the composer).
As far as I understand its nothing to do with E-Loader.
Personally, I would import the midifile into an external (soft)
sequencer (I use cubase) then copy all the parts into a new 
arrangement - thus shedding it of its sysex info. Then export the 
midifile (to your PC desktop for example) then, using E-Loader, drag 
it into your command station slot. Now you can assign the presets of 
your ROM and then save the pattern.
I hope this workaround works for you.
good luck
:paul



--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "dj 61" <dj61@d...> wrote:
> Just moving this question back up in the list.. Also is there an 
easy 
> way to take all of the presets from my patterns and organize and 
save 
> them in the user banks without doing it one at a time from within 
the 
> unit. It seems eloader should help with this, but I am not sure I 
> really know how to work with it. Please read on down... thanks and 
> happy new year!
> --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "dj 61" <dj61@d...> wrote:
> > I have an XL rom in my MP-7. The XL-7 patterns do not recognize 
the 

> > presets. Do I just download the XL presets in the files bank to 
> > correct this? I assume I have to install as user, right. I am new 
> to 
> > e-loader if anyone has any tips. I just did the OS2 update and 
> > download patterns last night. Thanks for your help.
> > Merry Christmas,
> >   Tom

Thanks Paul,
 While I have cubase, I have not really used it for anything other 
than simple .wav mixdowns. Can you give me more specific instructions 
as to how to use cubase to load the preset banks into my **7? Also I 
see 5 banks of XL-7 presets in the files section, does the xl-7 
really ship with 5 banks? I thought the roms only held 3 factory 
banks.
   61

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "phest2k" <tuttle@l...> wrote:
> Hello Tom
> We had this issue here a few months ago and all the talk of MSB´s 
and 
> LSB´s really confused me.(Enter rEalm/Steve the composer).
> As far as I understand its nothing to do with E-Loader.
> Personally, I would import the midifile into an external (soft)
> sequencer (I use cubase) then copy all the parts into a new 
> arrangement - thus shedding it of its sysex info. Then export the 
> midifile (to your PC desktop for example) then, using E-Loader, 
drag 
> it into your command station slot. Now you can assign the presets 
of 
> your ROM and then save the pattern.
> I hope this workaround works for you.
> good luck
> :paul
> 
> 
> 
> --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "dj 61" <dj61@d...> wrote:
> > Just moving this question back up in the list.. Also is there an 
> easy 
> > way to take all of the presets from my patterns and organize and 
> save 
> > them in the user banks without doing it one at a time from within 
> the 
> > unit. It seems eloader should help with this, but I am not sure I 
> > really know how to work with it. Please read on down... thanks 
and 
> > happy new year!
> > --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "dj 61" <dj61@d...> wrote:
> > > I have an XL rom in my MP-7. The XL-7 patterns do not recognize 
> the 
> > > presets. Do I just download the XL presets in the files bank to 
> > > correct this? I assume I have to install as user, right. I am 
new 

> > to 
> > > e-loader if anyone has any tips. I just did the OS2 update and 
> > > download patterns last night. Thanks for your help.
> > > Merry Christmas,
> > >   Tom

61,
Be carefull here. I may have misunderstood your origional question:
 "I have an XL rom in my MP-7. The XL-7 patterns do not recognize 
the presets. Do I just download the XL presets in the files bank to 
correct this?"
I dug around in the archive and found the the thread on this issue - 
and I think rEalm summed it up really well .So I´ve cut and pasted a 
few relevant points he made because i´m not having muck luck 
hyperlinking previous mails:

""""*Ok,  the only things that can be backed up via E-loader are
your Patterns and Songs. That means that your Preset, Multi Setups, 
Arps,
and all other settings must be backed up via sysex dumps to an 
external
sequencer. Luckily, most midi sequencers will accept Sysex dumps, so 
this
isn't too much of a hassle. Some important things to check before you
start:

1. Obviously, you need to make sure your sequencer of choice will 
actually
support MIDI Sysex Dumps. Most of the major sequencers do (Logic, SX,
Sonar, Pro Tools, etc), and plenty of budget sequencers do as well.

2. Make sure that the sequencer isn't set to filter out sysex data by
default. Most sequencers are set to ignore sysex commands when you 
first
get them, so you will need to go into the MIDI Preferences (or 
wherever
it's located) and set the software to accept these messages. Look in 
your
respective manuals for more details.

3. Make sure you have turn off MIDI Thru in th esequencer as well, no 
need
to send the XX-7's the same data they are currently sending! If you're
lucky, the XL-7 will only lock up on you, if not... well I suppose it 
is
possible to lose some Presets.

Ok, now that you've check all the of the sequencer, we're ready to 
begin.
The first thing to so is to create a new song in your sequencer, and 
then
create a few MIDI tracks in that song. Make sure you assign the 
correct
MIDI In port on each track, it should (obviously) be the one connected 
to
the MIDI out of the XX-7.

Most of the settings that can be sent as Sysex are in the MIDI menu, 
on
the page called "Send MIDI Sysex Data". Once you get to that page, you
can cursor to the lower line, and select the following type fo data to
send:

- Current Multisetup.
- Program/Preset Map.
- Tuning Tables.
- Multimode Map.
- User Bank 0, 1, 2, or 3 Presets.
- Current Preset.

The only setting not sent from this page, is the the User Arps, which 
can
be accessed in the Arp menu.

Once you decide what setting you want to transfer, start recording on 
the
external sequecner, then press Enter on the XX-7. Wait until it's 
done,
and you're all set! If you get an error message during the transfer, 
you
might want to try raising the Sysex Packet Delay in the MIDI Menu.
Personally, I can use mine set to 25ms with no problems (recording 
into
Cubase SX), though you may need to use a higher value in order to get 
it
to work properly.

Restoring Sysex back ups is even easier, just play back the data on 
the
MID track into the XX-7, and it'll automatically overwrite whatever is
stored in the appropriate place. Easy! If you need more information,
check pages 168-169 in the XX-7 manual (revision G).

rEalm""""***

;phest:
I dont know which version of cubase you have.
To begin with I would recommend cubasis. V.Simple -and encompases all 
midi needs.
Remember, the sysex file you downloaded is a midi file (seen as .mid 
data on your pc) and these are imported into a new cubase SONG(.sng) 
or ARRANGEMENT(.arr)so you can direct them to the appropriate place.If 
you just click on it it will probably open in winamp or somthing and 
could start screwing your pc midi settings up. When imported you will 
see the midi PART(.prt) in your arrangement.
A rough generalisation is to imagine (and i think all ex-atari cubase 
users would agree) that arrangements (in cubase) are like patterns(in 
your xl7) and parts(in cubase) are like tracks(in your xl7).
With the advent of audio-cubase is now obviously much more than this. 
Hope you get some thing out of all this.
good luck
if any one managed to make it this far ;)
:P

phest2k wrote:

> Be carefull here. I may have misunderstood your origional question:
> "I have an XL rom in my MP-7. The XL-7 patterns do not recognize
> the presets. Do I just download the XL presets in the files bank to
> correct this?"

the patters work with the XL-7 ROM, but that is not the same thing as the
XL-1 ROM (same samples, different presets). not entirely sure if one can get
the XL-7 patterns to work with XL-7 presets loaded into the user area - i
think the patterns look for the ROM presets that just aren't there.

as to recording Sys-Ex dumps in a MIDI sequencer - why bother? if you are
Macintosh enabled, get a Sys-Ex dump utility:

SysEx 4.5.2 for Mac OS 9.x and earlier:
http://www.versiontracker.com/dyn/moreinfo/macos/16125

SysEx Librarian 1.0.4 for Mac OS X:
http://www.versiontracker.com/dyn/moreinfo/macosx/13726

VersionTracker doesn't find anything for Windows, but there are some:

MIDI-OX is fairly capable:  http://www.midiox.com/

and Send-SX which JUST does this stuff:  http://www.bome.com/midi/sendsx/

i haven't used either of these but the sites look promising.

the chief advantage of dedicated System Exclusive tools, in my mind, is that
most sequencer apps complicate the simple "send this file to the synth"
operation. these little apps JUST send system exclusive to the synth and
receive messages from the synth - no complicated tweaking tempo and starting
at the beginning of the dump etc. i dunno, maybe that's really easy, but i'm
soft of lazy when it comes to sys-ex stuff. :D

-- 
Bruddah Max
Lord of the Dance

Thanks for the tip!
I´ll check those apps out, even though I haven´t  really experienced 
any trouble with sysex and cubase myself.

"i dunno, maybe that's really easy, but i'm
soft of lazy when it comes to sys-ex stuff"

I agree,with sysex its better not thinking about whats going on 
between the machines too much (technophiles groan).

Anyway, I´d still recommend using a simple soft sequencer whilst 
learning the capabilities of eloader/midifiles.

There is no cure for the midi-life crisis but the xx7 eases the pain.
;P


 


 In xl7@yahoogroups.com, Bruddah Max <bruddahmax@c...> wrote:
> phest2k wrote:
> 
> > Be carefull here. I may have misunderstood your origional 
question:
> > "I have an XL rom in my MP-7. The XL-7 patterns do not recognize
> > the presets. Do I just download the XL presets in the files bank 
to
> > correct this?"
> 
> the patters work with the XL-7 ROM, but that is not the same thing 
as the
> XL-1 ROM (same samples, different presets). not entirely sure if one 
can get
> the XL-7 patterns to work with XL-7 presets loaded into the user 
area - i
> think the patterns look for the ROM presets that just aren't there.
> 
> as to recording Sys-Ex dumps in a MIDI sequencer - why bother? if 
you are
> Macintosh enabled, get a Sys-Ex dump utility:
> 
> SysEx 4.5.2 for Mac OS 9.x and earlier:
> http://www.versiontracker.com/dyn/moreinfo/macos/16125
> 
> SysEx Librarian 1.0.4 for Mac OS X:
> http://www.versiontracker.com/dyn/moreinfo/macosx/13726
> 
> VersionTracker doesn't find anything for Windows, but there are 
some:
> 
> MIDI-OX is fairly capable:  http://www.midiox.com/
> 
> and Send-SX which JUST does this stuff:  http://www.bome.
com/midi/sendsx/
> 
> i haven't used either of these but the sites look promising.
> 
> the chief advantage of dedicated System Exclusive tools, in my mind, 
is that
> most sequencer apps complicate the simple "send this file to the 
synth"
> operation. these little apps JUST send system exclusive to the synth 
and
> receive messages from the synth - no complicated tweaking tempo and 
starting
> at the beginning of the dump etc. i dunno, maybe that's really easy, 
but i'm

> soft of lazy when it comes to sys-ex stuff. :D
> 
> -- 
> Bruddah Max
> Lord of the Dance

Thanks, I need to get back into the manual and learn all about sysex.
  Tom

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "phest2k" <tuttle@l...> wrote:
> Thanks for the tip!
> I´ll check those apps out, even though I haven´t  really 
experienced 
> any trouble with sysex and cubase myself.
> 
> "i dunno, maybe that's really easy, but i'm
> soft of lazy when it comes to sys-ex stuff"
> 
> I agree,with sysex its better not thinking about whats going on 
> between the machines too much (technophiles groan).
> 
> Anyway, I´d still recommend using a simple soft sequencer whilst 
> learning the capabilities of eloader/midifiles.
> 
> There is no cure for the midi-life crisis but the xx7 eases the 
pain.
> ;P
> 
> 
>  
> 
> 
>  In xl7@yahoogroups.com, Bruddah Max <bruddahmax@c...> wrote:
> > phest2k wrote:
> > 
> > > Be carefull here. I may have misunderstood your origional 
> question:
> > > "I have an XL rom in my MP-7. The XL-7 patterns do not recognize
> > > the presets. Do I just download the XL presets in the files 
bank 
> to
> > > correct this?"
> > 
> > the patters work with the XL-7 ROM, but that is not the same 
thing 
> as the
> > XL-1 ROM (same samples, different presets). not entirely sure if 
one 
> can get
> > the XL-7 patterns to work with XL-7 presets loaded into the user 
> area - i
> > think the patterns look for the ROM presets that just aren't 
there.
> > 
> > as to recording Sys-Ex dumps in a MIDI sequencer - why bother? if 
> you are
> > Macintosh enabled, get a Sys-Ex dump utility:
> > 
> > SysEx 4.5.2 for Mac OS 9.x and earlier:
> > http://www.versiontracker.com/dyn/moreinfo/macos/16125
> > 
> > SysEx Librarian 1.0.4 for Mac OS X:
> > http://www.versiontracker.com/dyn/moreinfo/macosx/13726
> > 
> > VersionTracker doesn't find anything for Windows, but there are 
> some:
> > 
> > MIDI-OX is fairly capable:  http://www.midiox.com/
> > 
> > and Send-SX which JUST does this stuff:  http://www.bome.
> com/midi/sendsx/
> > 
> > i haven't used either of these but the sites look promising.
> > 
> > the chief advantage of dedicated System Exclusive tools, in my 
mind, 
> is that
> > most sequencer apps complicate the simple "send this file to the 
> synth"
> > operation. these little apps JUST send system exclusive to the 
synth 
> and
> > receive messages from the synth - no complicated tweaking tempo 
and 
> starting
> > at the beginning of the dump etc. i dunno, maybe that's really 
easy, 

> but i'm
> > soft of lazy when it comes to sys-ex stuff. :D
> > 
> > -- 
> > Bruddah Max
> > Lord of the Dance

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "dj 61" <dj61@d...> wrote:
> Thanks, I need to get back into the manual and learn all about 
sysex.
>   Tom

I recommend sysex, esp for solutions to tasks that cannot be found 
with more user friendly man-machine interfaces.  So far as I know the 
most recent E-Mu Sysex Manual is version 2.2.  There are a number of 
sysex made simple guides out there.  I got my start around 1985 with 
my first Casio synth.  Casio's Guidebook for MIDI (Nov. 1985) has a 
very easy-to-get-into introduction to MIDI, including sysex.  I saw 
it on the internet once; you may want to search for it.  I'd put 
together a tutorial, but I've got bills to pay.