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Midi Clock o Timecode

Hi, i\ufffdd like to sync my XX7 with Cubase/VSTack (XX7 as Master)
anybody has suggestions about it? I tried it out with Cubase as Master, XX7 
set to external Song Start Accept, Tempo is set to match, it works, but it 
doesnt sync perfectly, there is a little offset, lets say i work with 125 
bpm XX7 runs at 124,91real tempo. I think i could manage the problem using 
Timecode instead of Clock, but i don\ufffdt know if iys possible/how to set up...

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If it's SMPTE you're speaking of I don't believe the command station support it.  You might try something like MIDI offset on the part of Cubase.
 
speaking of which, does anyone know how or if it's possible to set MIDI offset on the command station to compensate for latency of externally sequence sound mods and or samplers?
 
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--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "Turby Schmidt" <trabantmusic@h...> wrote:
> Hi, i´d like to sync my XX7 with Cubase/VSTack (XX7 as Master) ... I trie=
d it >
>out with Cubase as Master, XX7  set to external Song Start Accept, Tempo i=
s 
>set to match,

this confused me a bit - which do you want as the timing master, your XX7 o=
r 
Cubase?

if you want the tempos to match, then you need to set the XX7 base tempo to=
 
"ext" , external sync (if Cuabse is master), and configure Cuabse to send M=
IDI 
clock to the XX7. i'm not a Cubase user, so i don't know how you do that. i=
f you 
want the XX7 to be Master, then set the tempo for whatever you want and 
configure Cubase to receive MIDI clock from the XX7.

manually setting the XX7 tempo to match will result in drift, sooner or lat=
er. this 
is inevitable, no fault of the machine.

> I think i could manage the problem using 
> Timecode instead of Clock, but i don´t know if iys possible/how to set up=
...
you could use Timecode to sync instead of MIDI Clock, but you'd need a 
device to translate SMPTE into Beat Clocks, as the XX7 only receives Beat 
Clocks. these devices can be pricey, and you don't really need it. Beat Clo=
ck 
can work great.

i had timing sync problem a month or two ago, and solved it by using the 
highest quality (and most expensive) MIDI cable i could find for the XX7's =
MIDI 
In port. this was Realm's suggestion, and believe it or not, the cheapo MID=
I 
cable was causing jittery tempo sync.

the tempo offset you mentioned is a bit strange. so it doesn't fluctuate, i=
t just 
stays static at that difference? could it have to do with the frame rate Cu=
base 
is set to? most sequencers have different frame rates to choose from in 
syncing to film, and maybe that has something to do with it.

sorry to be so vague on the Cuabse stuff - i use DP (but am wanting to jump=
 
ship to Logic now!)

The problem with Cubase as slave is, that it can't use MIDI clock as sync
reference. (As stated in the manual.)
I have the same problem since I want to have my XL-7 as master and Cubase as
slave.
Any suggestions ?
Is there a way to transform MIDI clock into Timecode ?
The problem with Cubase as master is, that it would not reset the XL-7 to
the starting position after pressing the stop button 2 times, but it does
function with XL-7 as a master. Then Cubase would stop the song after one
press on the stop button of the XL-7 and on the second press, Cubase would
reset to the starting position.
 

-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: wildstar_1701 [mailto:justinsamaha@...] 
Gesendet: Freitag, 07. Mai 2004 15:14
An: xl7@yahoogroups.com
Betreff: [xl7] Re: Timecode o Midiclock



--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "Turby Schmidt" <trabantmusic@h...> wrote:
> Hi, i´d like to sync my XX7 with Cubase/VSTack (XX7 as Master) ... I trie=

d it >
>out with Cubase as Master, XX7  set to external Song Start Accept, Tempo i=

s 
>set to match,

this confused me a bit - which do you want as the timing master, your XX7 o=

r 
Cubase?

if you want the tempos to match, then you need to set the XX7 base tempo to=


"ext" , external sync (if Cuabse is master), and configure Cuabse to send M=

IDI 
clock to the XX7. i'm not a Cubase user, so i don't know how you do that. i=

f you 
want the XX7 to be Master, then set the tempo for whatever you want and 
configure Cubase to receive MIDI clock from the XX7.

manually setting the XX7 tempo to match will result in drift, sooner or lat=

er. this 
is inevitable, no fault of the machine.

> I think i could manage the problem using 
> Timecode instead of Clock, but i don´t know if iys possible/how to set up=

...
you could use Timecode to sync instead of MIDI Clock, but you'd need a 
device to translate SMPTE into Beat Clocks, as the XX7 only receives Beat 
Clocks. these devices can be pricey, and you don't really need it. Beat Clo=

ck 
can work great.

i had timing sync problem a month or two ago, and solved it by using the 
highest quality (and most expensive) MIDI cable i could find for the XX7's =

MIDI 
In port. this was Realm's suggestion, and believe it or not, the cheapo MID=

I 
cable was causing jittery tempo sync.

the tempo offset you mentioned is a bit strange. so it doesn't fluctuate, i=

t just 
stays static at that difference? could it have to do with the frame rate Cu=

base 
is set to? most sequencers have different frame rates to choose from in 
syncing to film, and maybe that has something to do with it.

sorry to be so vague on the Cuabse stuff - i use DP (but am wanting to jump=


ship to Logic now!)





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a friend of mine recomended to try out console, i have a look at it and then 
tell about whats happend...


>From: "Frodo" <frodo@...>
>Reply-To: xl7@yahoogroups.com
>To: <xl7@yahoogroups.com>
>Subject: AW: [xl7] Re: Timecode o Midiclock
>Date: Sat, 8 May 2004 02:27:20 +0200
>
>The problem with Cubase as slave is, that it can't use MIDI clock as sync
>reference. (As stated in the manual.)
>I have the same problem since I want to have my XL-7 as master and Cubase 
>as
>slave.
>Any suggestions ?
>Is there a way to transform MIDI clock into Timecode ?
>The problem with Cubase as master is, that it would not reset the XL-7 to
>the starting position after pressing the stop button 2 times, but it does
>function with XL-7 as a master. Then Cubase would stop the song after one
>press on the stop button of the XL-7 and on the second press, Cubase would
>reset to the starting position.
>
>
>-----Urspr\ufffdngliche Nachricht-----
>Von: wildstar_1701 [mailto:justinsamaha@...]
>Gesendet: Freitag, 07. Mai 2004 15:14
>An: xl7@yahoogroups.com
>Betreff: [xl7] Re: Timecode o Midiclock
>
>
>
>--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "Turby Schmidt" <trabantmusic@h...> wrote:
> > Hi, i\ufffdd like to sync my XX7 with Cubase/VSTack (XX7 as Master) ... I 
>trie=
>
>d it >
> >out with Cubase as Master, XX7  set to external Song Start Accept, Tempo 
>i=
>
>s
> >set to match,
>
>this confused me a bit - which do you want as the timing master, your XX7 
>o=
>
>r
>Cubase?
>
>if you want the tempos to match, then you need to set the XX7 base tempo 
>to=
>
>
>"ext" , external sync (if Cuabse is master), and configure Cuabse to send 
>M=
>
>IDI
>clock to the XX7. i'm not a Cubase user, so i don't know how you do that. 
>i=
>
>f you
>want the XX7 to be Master, then set the tempo for whatever you want and
>configure Cubase to receive MIDI clock from the XX7.
>
>manually setting the XX7 tempo to match will result in drift, sooner or 
>lat=
>
>er. this
>is inevitable, no fault of the machine.
>
> > I think i could manage the problem using
> > Timecode instead of Clock, but i don\ufffdt know if iys possible/how to set 
>up=
>
>...
>you could use Timecode to sync instead of MIDI Clock, but you'd need a
>device to translate SMPTE into Beat Clocks, as the XX7 only receives Beat
>Clocks. these devices can be pricey, and you don't really need it. Beat 
>Clo=
>
>ck
>can work great.
>
>i had timing sync problem a month or two ago, and solved it by using the
>highest quality (and most expensive) MIDI cable i could find for the XX7's 
>=
>
>MIDI
>In port. this was Realm's suggestion, and believe it or not, the cheapo 
>MID=
>
>I
>cable was causing jittery tempo sync.
>
>the tempo offset you mentioned is a bit strange. so it doesn't fluctuate, 
>i=
>
>t just
>stays static at that difference? could it have to do with the frame rate 
>Cu=
>
>base
>is set to? most sequencers have different frame rates to choose from in
>syncing to film, and maybe that has something to do with it.
>
>sorry to be so vague on the Cuabse stuff - i use DP (but am wanting to 
>jump=
>
>
>ship to Logic now!)
>
>
>
>
>
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>this confused me a bit - which do you want as the timing master, your XX7 
>o=
>r Cubase?

xx7 as master, i get allready told that that isnt possible


>i had timing sync problem a month or two ago, and solved it by using the
>highest quality (and most expensive) MIDI cable i could find for the XX7's 
>=
>MIDI
>In port. this was Realm's suggestion, and believe it or not, the cheapo 
>MID=
>I
>cable was causing jittery tempo sync.

opa, i have a look on it

>
>the tempo offset you mentioned is a bit strange. so it doesn't fluctuate, 
>i=
>t just
>stays static at that difference? could it have to do with the frame rate 
>Cu=
>base
>is set to?

i guess 30 or 25, where should it be set to?

most sequencers have different frame rates to choose from in
>syncing to film, and maybe that has something to do with it.

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That's an option in the SX preferences too, you can change what Cubase 
does when you hit stop...

rEalm




The problem with Cubase as master is, that it would not reset the XL-7 to
the starting position after pressing the stop button 2 times, but it does
function with XL-7 as a master. Then Cubase would stop the song after one
press on the stop button of the XL-7 and on the second press, Cubase would
reset to the starting position.
 

-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: wildstar_1701 [mailto:justinsamaha@...m] 
Gesendet: Freitag, 07. Mai 2004 15:14
An: xl7@yahoogroups.com
Betreff: [xl7] Re: Timecode o Midiclock



--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "Turby Schmidt" <trabantmusic@h...> wrote:
> Hi, i´d like to sync my XX7 with Cubase/VSTack (XX7 as Master) ... I 
trie=

d it >
>out with Cubase as Master, XX7  set to external Song Start Accept, Tempo 
i=

s 
>set to match,

this confused me a bit - which do you want as the timing master, your XX7 
o=

r 
Cubase?

if you want the tempos to match, then you need to set the XX7 base tempo 
to=


"ext" , external sync (if Cuabse is master), and configure Cuabse to send 
M=

IDI 
clock to the XX7. i'm not a Cubase user, so i don't know how you do that. 
i=

f you 
want the XX7 to be Master, then set the tempo for whatever you want and 
configure Cubase to receive MIDI clock from the XX7.

manually setting the XX7 tempo to match will result in drift, sooner or 
lat=

er. this 
is inevitable, no fault of the machine.

> I think i could manage the problem using 
> Timecode instead of Clock, but i don´t know if iys possible/how to set 
up=

...
you could use Timecode to sync instead of MIDI Clock, but you'd need a 
device to translate SMPTE into Beat Clocks, as the XX7 only receives Beat 
Clocks. these devices can be pricey, and you don't really need it. Beat 
Clo=

ck 
can work great.

i had timing sync problem a month or two ago, and solved it by using the 
highest quality (and most expensive) MIDI cable i could find for the XX7's 
=

MIDI 
In port. this was Realm's suggestion, and believe it or not, the cheapo 
MID=

I 
cable was causing jittery tempo sync.

the tempo offset you mentioned is a bit strange. so it doesn't fluctuate, 
i=

t just 
stays static at that difference? could it have to do with the frame rate 
Cu=

base 
is set to? most sequencers have different frame rates to choose from in 
syncing to film, and maybe that has something to do with it.

sorry to be so vague on the Cuabse stuff - i use DP (but am wanting to 
jump=


ship to Logic now!)





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feels like the only order that the XX7 accepts from Cubase is start/stop, 
once that XX7 runs it feels like the clocks of XX7 and Cubase run on their 
own, there is no exact sync, could that be like this?

>From: erik_magrini@...

>
>That's an option in the SX preferences too, you can change what Cubase
>does when you hit stop...
>
>rEalm
>
>
>
>
>The problem with Cubase as master is, that it would not reset the XL-7 to
>the starting position after pressing the stop button 2 times, but it does
>function with XL-7 as a master. Then Cubase would stop the song after one
>press on the stop button of the XL-7 and on the second press, Cubase would
>reset to the starting position.
>
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Cubase has had some issues with the stability of it's midi clock since SX 
came out.  Do a search on the Steinberg.net site for "emulated midi ports" 
and you'll find a whole bunch of information that might help you out here.

rEalm





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05/10/2004 10:40 AM
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feels like the only order that the XX7 accepts from Cubase is start/stop, 
once that XX7 runs it feels like the clocks of XX7 and Cubase run on their 

own, there is no exact sync, could that be like this?

>From: erik_magrini@...

>
>That's an option in the SX preferences too, you can change what Cubase
>does when you hit stop...
>
>rEalm
>
>
>
>
>The problem with Cubase as master is, that it would not reset the XL-7 to
>the starting position after pressing the stop button 2 times, but it does
>function with XL-7 as a master. Then Cubase would stop the song after one
>press on the stop button of the XL-7 and on the second press, Cubase 
would
>reset to the starting position.
>
>

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Oh ... good =)

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Von: erik_magrini@Baxter.com [mailto:erik_magrini@...] 
Gesendet: Montag, 10. Mai 2004 15:06
An: xl7@yahoogroups.com
Betreff: Re: AW: [xl7] Re: Timecode o Midiclock


That's an option in the SX preferences too, you can change what Cubase 
does when you hit stop...

rEalm




The problem with Cubase as master is, that it would not reset the XL-7 to
the starting position after pressing the stop button 2 times, but it does
function with XL-7 as a master. Then Cubase would stop the song after one
press on the stop button of the XL-7 and on the second press, Cubase would
reset to the starting position.


-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: wildstar_1701 [mailto:justinsamaha@yahoo.com] 
Gesendet: Freitag, 07. Mai 2004 15:14
An: xl7@yahoogroups.com
Betreff: [xl7] Re: Timecode o Midiclock



--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "Turby Schmidt" <trabantmusic@h...> wrote:
> Hi, i´d like to sync my XX7 with Cubase/VSTack (XX7 as Master) ... I 
trie=

d it >
>out with Cubase as Master, XX7  set to external Song Start Accept, Tempo 
i=

s 
>set to match,

this confused me a bit - which do you want as the timing master, your XX7 
o=

r 
Cubase?

if you want the tempos to match, then you need to set the XX7 base tempo 
to=


"ext" , external sync (if Cuabse is master), and configure Cuabse to send 
M=

IDI 
clock to the XX7. i'm not a Cubase user, so i don't know how you do that. 
i=

f you 
want the XX7 to be Master, then set the tempo for whatever you want and 
configure Cubase to receive MIDI clock from the XX7.

manually setting the XX7 tempo to match will result in drift, sooner or 
lat=

er. this 
is inevitable, no fault of the machine.

> I think i could manage the problem using 
> Timecode instead of Clock, but i don´t know if iys possible/how to set 
up=

...
you could use Timecode to sync instead of MIDI Clock, but you'd need a 
device to translate SMPTE into Beat Clocks, as the XX7 only receives Beat 
Clocks. these devices can be pricey, and you don't really need it. Beat 
Clo=

ck 
can work great.

i had timing sync problem a month or two ago, and solved it by using the 
highest quality (and most expensive) MIDI cable i could find for the XX7's 
=

MIDI 
In port. this was Realm's suggestion, and believe it or not, the cheapo 
MID=

I 
cable was causing jittery tempo sync.

the tempo offset you mentioned is a bit strange. so it doesn't fluctuate, 
i=

t just 
stays static at that difference? could it have to do with the frame rate 
Cu=

base 
is set to? most sequencers have different frame rates to choose from in 
syncing to film, and maybe that has something to do with it.

sorry to be so vague on the Cuabse stuff - i use DP (but am wanting to 
jump=


ship to Logic now!)





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i found the information at steinbergs, thanx...
gonna tell you if i have sucsess or not >?/.


>
>Oh ... good =)
>
>-----Urspr\ufffdngliche Nachricht-----
>Von: erik_magrini@... [mailto:erik_magrini@...]
>Gesendet: Montag, 10. Mai 2004 15:06
>An: xl7@yahoogroups.com
>Betreff: Re: AW: [xl7] Re: Timecode o Midiclock
>
>
>That's an option in the SX preferences too, you can change what Cubase
>does when you hit stop...
>
>rEalm
>
>
>
>
>The problem with Cubase as master is, that it would not reset the XL-7 to
>the starting position after pressing the stop button 2 times, but it does
>function with XL-7 as a master. Then Cubase would stop the song after one
>press on the stop button of the XL-7 and on the second press, Cubase would
>reset to the starting position.
>
>
>-----Urspr\ufffdngliche Nachricht-----
>Von: wildstar_1701 [mailto:justinsamaha@...]
>Gesendet: Freitag, 07. Mai 2004 15:14
>An: xl7@yahoogroups.com
>Betreff: [xl7] Re: Timecode o Midiclock
>
>
>
>--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "Turby Schmidt" <trabantmusic@h...> wrote:
> > Hi, i\ufffdd like to sync my XX7 with Cubase/VSTack (XX7 as Master) ... I
>trie=
>
>d it >
> >out with Cubase as Master, XX7  set to external Song Start Accept, Tempo
>i=
>
>s
> >set to match,
>
>this confused me a bit - which do you want as the timing master, your XX7
>o=
>
>r
>Cubase?
>
>if you want the tempos to match, then you need to set the XX7 base tempo
>to=
>
>
>"ext" , external sync (if Cuabse is master), and configure Cuabse to send
>M=
>
>IDI
>clock to the XX7. i'm not a Cubase user, so i don't know how you do that.
>i=
>
>f you
>want the XX7 to be Master, then set the tempo for whatever you want and
>configure Cubase to receive MIDI clock from the XX7.
>
>manually setting the XX7 tempo to match will result in drift, sooner or
>lat=
>
>er. this
>is inevitable, no fault of the machine.
>
> > I think i could manage the problem using
> > Timecode instead of Clock, but i don\ufffdt know if iys possible/how to set
>up=
>
>...
>you could use Timecode to sync instead of MIDI Clock, but you'd need a
>device to translate SMPTE into Beat Clocks, as the XX7 only receives Beat
>Clocks. these devices can be pricey, and you don't really need it. Beat
>Clo=
>
>ck
>can work great.
>
>i had timing sync problem a month or two ago, and solved it by using the
>highest quality (and most expensive) MIDI cable i could find for the XX7's
>=
>
>MIDI
>In port. this was Realm's suggestion, and believe it or not, the cheapo
>MID=
>
>I
>cable was causing jittery tempo sync.
>
>the tempo offset you mentioned is a bit strange. so it doesn't fluctuate,
>i=
>
>t just
>stays static at that difference? could it have to do with the frame rate
>Cu=
>
>base
>is set to? most sequencers have different frame rates to choose from in
>syncing to film, and maybe that has something to do with it.
>
>sorry to be so vague on the Cuabse stuff - i use DP (but am wanting to
>jump=
>
>
>ship to Logic now!)
>
>
>
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