Casio CZ/ VZ/ FZ - Pro Series

Hi, I have a Behringer BCR2000 controller and I want to control my VZ10M parameters live. Does anyone have a sysex command list for the VZ, or know where I can get this?

Cheers, Graham

I think that there was mentioned in the veezee page guestbook that it 
has rather difficult sysex implementation.. and i have not seen too much 
profiles for VZ's for controllers. I had Peavey PC1600X and now 
Bitstream 3X and neither had VZ profile.
There's software editors which might help if you try to use BCR's MIDI 
learn function.

-Sorry, not too much help here..

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The VZ has more you can control than the CZ. I have the VZ-8m. I think I have some sample patches [not op-mems] in the CZ-VZ Files overflow group.

I have the VZ-8m Sysex Manual and the VZ-8M Operation Manual. Are there some specific things you are wanting to do with the controller?

On the VZ-8m you can use aftertouch [aftertouch], mod wheel [CC4], def control [assignable as CC 12-31], foot vr [CC4], and foot switch [CC64 for sustain or sostenuto].

With all except foot switch, via on/off switches in the Effects section, you can route those to Vibrato Depth, Vibrato Rate, Pitch, Portamento Time, Tremelo Depth, Temolo Rate, and Amp Evnelop Bias. You can also set the Sensitivity for each type of control.

The VZ-8m lets me assign controllers in the pan module, but I am not sure if the other VZs have Pan.  

If your controller sends sysex commands you have a number of things you can do (other than sending and requesting voice data). On the VZ-8m these include:

Master Tune
F0 44 03 00 7N 40 00 aa bb F7
where aa = polarity (0 = +, 1 = -)
and bb = data (0x00 - 0x40)

Key Transpose
F0 44 03 00 7N 40 01 aa bb F7
where aa = polarity
and bb = data (0 -> 6 [up], 5 [down])

Mode Change-1 [Normal, Combi, Multi Ch, Ope-Mem Mode]
F0 44 03 00 7N 50 aa F7
where aa = mode 
(0 = normal, 1 = combi, 2 = op-men, 3 -> 5 = multi-channel) 

Mode Change-2 [Keyboard, Guitar, Wind Mode - 8m only]
F0 44 03 02 7N 50 aa F7
where aa = mode
(0 = keyboard, 1 = guitar, 2 = wind)

Shift Change (including Card Bank Change)
F0 44 03 00 7N 51 aa F7
where aa = shift change
(00 - 1F = card bank, 20 - 3F = PST bank,
40 - 5F = INT bank, 60 - 7F = no define)*
*This is from the sysex manual, however, my handwritten notes clarify:
20 = PST 1, 21 = PST2; 40 = INT

CZ Bend Range
F0 44 00 00 7N 40 aa F7
where aa is the bend range in semitones from 0x00 -> 0x30

In case itself helpful to understand what you can do with the controllers, here's the patch data bit structure for the controllers. (There are 4: aftertouch, def wheel 1, def wheel 2, foot vr.

bit 0 = vibrato depth (0:off, 1:on)
bit 1 = vibrato rate (0:off, 1:on)
bit 2 = pitch + (0:off, 1:on)
bit 3 = pitch - (0:off, 1:on)
bit 4 = portamento time (0:off, 1:on)
bit 5 = tremolo depth (0:off, 1:on)
bit 6 = tremolo rate (0:off, 1:on)
bit 7 = amp envelop bias (0:off, 1:on)
---------------------------------------
bits 8 -> 14 = sensitivity (0x00 -> 0x63)
bit 15 = sensitivity (0:+, 1:-)

Hope this helps.

--Steve





--- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "gmeredith1" <gmeredith1@...> wrote:

>
> Hi, I have a Behringer BCR2000 controller and I want to control my VZ10M parameters live. Does anyone have a sysex command list for the VZ, or know where I can get this?
> 
> Cheers, Graham
>

Thanks for info Steve.

I have Waveidea Bitstream 3X which is sysex controller and id like to 
create profile for VZ-8M for it.
Even small one would make huge difference when creating new sounds. 
Especially im after envelope parameters because setting different envs 
for every operator is one the key functions of iPD i believe.

Could you help with that and send some more sysex strings? Creating 
profile for controller would help others too. I have allready made and 
shared profiles for MKS50 and TX81Z. Even if Waveidea advertises that 
BS3X has 13000 presets there is currently just a couple for whole 
instruments, those 13000 were single parameter strings counted together 
so that it seemed bigger number...
Anyhow, there was no even single parameter for casios.

Publishing SYSEX string list in group files section or some common 
webpage like vintage synth explorer would make big favour to whole synth 
user community!

Vintagesynth allready have SYSEX info for few items, as example:
http://www.vintagesynth.com/roland/sysex.php#ajuno


.j

The alpha juno link was helpful because it shows the kind of thing you are looking for. Unfortunately with both Casio CZs and VZs, we do not hace access to edit individual sound parameters through sysex commands. I am sure there are a lot of us Casio owners that wish we could!!

The only way I can think of to get this is if someone (or a group of people) finds a way to create an alternate VZ Operating System. I believe there are people here that might know how to do that (if it can be done), but I am not sure anyone would have the time for such a massive project.

I know I saw one of the VZ sysex manuals on line somewhere. It was snapshots of individual pages, not a pdf. Try the following places: rhe files section here, the files section in the CZ-VZ overflow group, Steve and Sally's VZ site.

The Waveidea Bitstream 3X sounds like a very handy controller. If the manual is online, could you put up the link? I'd love to take a look at it.

--Steve


--- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "Dr°3°Tri" <dr.3.tri@...> wrote:

>
> Thanks for info Steve.
> 
> I have Waveidea Bitstream 3X which is sysex controller and id like to 
> create profile for VZ-8M for it.
> Even small one would make huge difference when creating new sounds. 
> Especially im after envelope parameters because setting different envs 
> for every operator is one the key functions of iPD i believe.
> 
> Could you help with that and send some more sysex strings? Creating 
> profile for controller would help others too. I have allready made and 
> shared profiles for MKS50 and TX81Z. Even if Waveidea advertises that 
> BS3X has 13000 presets there is currently just a couple for whole 
> instruments, those 13000 were single parameter strings counted together 
> so that it seemed bigger number...
> Anyhow, there was no even single parameter for casios.
> 
> Publishing SYSEX string list in group files section or some common 
> webpage like vintage synth explorer would make big favour to whole synth 
> user community!
> 
> Vintagesynth allready have SYSEX info for few items, as example:
> http://www.vintagesynth.com/roland/sysex.php#ajuno
> 
> 
> .j
>

Hi Steve, Thanks for the info about the VZ. I'm trying to control the individual voice parameters of the VZ with sysex strings, not so much the things you mentioned with CC's. I just found the sysex chart - it's already here on this site! It's in the VZ Docs folder in the FILES section, in individual GIF pages. Also, Fran just sent me the PDF version of the document and I've just uploaded it into that same folder. So we now have it in both formats.

It seems as though the VZ has a sysex command for just about every parameter, starting on p9 of the document. Things like waveform, attack, decay envelope, osc volume levels etc. are what I'm hoping to control, and it seems that the commands are there to do it.

Now I just gotta sit down and figure it out...

Cheers, graham



--- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "steve_the_composer" <smw-mail@...> wrote:

>
> The alpha juno link was helpful because it shows the kind of thing you are looking for. Unfortunately with both Casio CZs and VZs, we do not hace access to edit individual sound parameters through sysex commands. I am sure there are a lot of us Casio owners that wish we could!!
> 
> The only way I can think of to get this is if someone (or a group of people) finds a way to create an alternate VZ Operating System. I believe there are people here that might know how to do that (if it can be done), but I am not sure anyone would have the time for such a massive project.
> 
> I know I saw one of the VZ sysex manuals on line somewhere. It was snapshots of individual pages, not a pdf. Try the following places: rhe files section here, the files section in the CZ-VZ overflow group, Steve and Sally's VZ site.
> 
> The Waveidea Bitstream 3X sounds like a very handy controller. If the manual is online, could you put up the link? I'd love to take a look at it.
> 
> --Steve
> 
> 
> --- In CZsynth@...m, "Dr°3°Tri" <dr.3.tri@> wrote:
> >
> > Thanks for info Steve.
> > 
> > I have Waveidea Bitstream 3X which is sysex controller and id like to 
> > create profile for VZ-8M for it.
> > Even small one would make huge difference when creating new sounds. 
> > Especially im after envelope parameters because setting different envs 
> > for every operator is one the key functions of iPD i believe.
> > 
> > Could you help with that and send some more sysex strings? Creating 
> > profile for controller would help others too. I have allready made and 
> > shared profiles for MKS50 and TX81Z. Even if Waveidea advertises that 
> > BS3X has 13000 presets there is currently just a couple for whole 
> > instruments, those 13000 were single parameter strings counted together 
> > so that it seemed bigger number...
> > Anyhow, there was no even single parameter for casios.
> > 
> > Publishing SYSEX string list in group files section or some common 
> > webpage like vintage synth explorer would make big favour to whole synth 
> > user community!
> > 
> > Vintagesynth allready have SYSEX info for few items, as example:
> > http://www.vintagesynth.com/roland/sysex.php#ajuno
> > 
> > 
> > .j
> >
>

--- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "gmeredith1" <gmeredith1@...> wrote:
>
> It seems as though the VZ has a sysex command for just about every parameter, starting on p9 of the document. Things like waveform, attack, decay envelope, osc volume levels etc. are what I'm hoping to control, and it seems that the commands are there to do it.
>

What you're looking at in that document is the data format for bulk dumps.  You can only change an individual parameter via bulk dump of all parameters, so a fader/knob box won't work.

Hi

If you use a Mac with OS X, try Sounddiver from Apple / Emagic. It's found at

http://download.info.apple.com/Apple_Support_Area/emagic/Legacy_SW/OS X SW/

I guess, there is an VZ-Adaption, where you could probabely read out  
the SysEx Strings.

Cheers

Chris

Hi,

i installed MIDI monitor + MIDI Yoke and checked with MOTU Unisyn MIDI 
editor which have VZ-8M profile, which kind of results i get from SYSEX 
output.
I changed single parameter which is marked in the picture:
http://a.33e.biz/ofiles/VZ-8M_SYSEX-test.png

And result seems to be equivalent to what was said in veezee guestbook, 
editor sends lots of data with every parameter change, not just that one 
parameter.


    "I know I saw one of the VZ sysex manuals on line somewhere. It was
    snapshots of individual pages, not a pdf. Try the following places:
    rhe files section here, the files section in the CZ-VZ overflow
    group, Steve and Sally's VZ site."

Yeah, they were here: 
http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/CZsynth/files/VZ%20-%20DOCs/sysex_format/


    "The Waveidea Bitstream 3X sounds like a very handy controller. If
    the manual is online, could you put up the link? I'd love to take a
    look at it."


I think BS3X is the rolls royce of MIDI controllers! It makes possible 
to assing it's own LFO to what ever parameter, like OP frequency at FM 
synths etc.. motion sampler and arpeggiator are nice too. =)

http://www.waveidea.com/en/products/bitstream_3x/
http://www.waveidea.com/en/products/bitstream_3x/presets_list.php




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----------------------------------------------------
Name: Steve (EZVZ Webmaster)
Email: steve @sallyandsteve dot com
Wednesday 2nd February 2005 10:19 am U.K. Time

Neither the VZ1 nor the VZ8 accept single parameter changes via Sysex. 
They do accept single patch changes, but you have to send the whole 
tone/op and if you do that the synth will stop sounding, so you cannot 
change patches dynamically.

The sysex implementation is documented and it was supplied with the 
machines when new, but if you don't have it I'm afraid I don't know of 
anyone who has scanned it in yet, for either the VZ1 or the VZ8. If you 
do find it, be aware that I know of several errors in the VZ1 chart 
(some subtle ones and a major fundamental one), which have been 
discussed on this chat page in the distant past if you look in the 
archive, so it's possible the VZ8 chart may be wrong too.

If anyone HAS scanned in their sysex implementation manual I'd be happy 
to host it on this site.
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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Well, that's a real bummer. No chance of doing real time control then. Hmmph.

Cheers, Graham

--- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "Dr°3°Tri" <dr.3.tri@...> wrote:

>
> Hi,
> 
> i installed MIDI monitor + MIDI Yoke and checked with MOTU Unisyn MIDI 
> editor which have VZ-8M profile, which kind of results i get from SYSEX 
> output.
> I changed single parameter which is marked in the picture:
> http://a.33e.biz/ofiles/VZ-8M_SYSEX-test.png
> 
> And result seems to be equivalent to what was said in veezee guestbook, 
> editor sends lots of data with every parameter change, not just that one 
> parameter.
> 
> 
>     "I know I saw one of the VZ sysex manuals on line somewhere. It was
>     snapshots of individual pages, not a pdf. Try the following places:
>     rhe files section here, the files section in the CZ-VZ overflow
>     group, Steve and Sally's VZ site."
> 
> Yeah, they were here: 
> http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/CZsynth/files/VZ%20-%20DOCs/sysex_format/
> 
> 
>     "The Waveidea Bitstream 3X sounds like a very handy controller. If
>     the manual is online, could you put up the link? I'd love to take a
>     look at it."
> 
> 
> I think BS3X is the rolls royce of MIDI controllers! It makes possible 
> to assing it's own LFO to what ever parameter, like OP frequency at FM 
> synths etc.. motion sampler and arpeggiator are nice too. =)
> 
> http://www.waveidea.com/en/products/bitstream_3x/
> http://www.waveidea.com/en/products/bitstream_3x/presets_list.php
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> http://www.chatpage.co.uk/easyveezee/archive.html
> ----------------------------------------------------
> Name: Steve (EZVZ Webmaster)
> Email: steve @sallyandsteve dot com
> Wednesday 2nd February 2005 10:19 am U.K. Time
> 
> Neither the VZ1 nor the VZ8 accept single parameter changes via Sysex. 
> They do accept single patch changes, but you have to send the whole 
> tone/op and if you do that the synth will stop sounding, so you cannot 
> change patches dynamically.
> 
> The sysex implementation is documented and it was supplied with the 
> machines when new, but if you don't have it I'm afraid I don't know of 
> anyone who has scanned it in yet, for either the VZ1 or the VZ8. If you 
> do find it, be aware that I know of several errors in the VZ1 chart 
> (some subtle ones and a major fundamental one), which have been 
> discussed on this chat page in the distant past if you look in the 
> archive, so it's possible the VZ8 chart may be wrong too.
> 
> If anyone HAS scanned in their sysex implementation manual I'd be happy 
> to host it on this site.
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

It's possible to assign some of the parameter to the 
wheels/aftertouch/foot controler, it's not meant to program the synth 
but to control the sound. Amp Env Bias is the parameter to look for, 
when one is after extreme timbre changes, since properly used it can 
be the equivalent to a filter parameter.

On 28 Jul 2009 at 1:43, gmeredith1 wrote:

> Well, that's a real bummer. No chance of doing real time control
> then. Hmmph.
> 
> Cheers, Graham
> 
> --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "Dr°3°Tri" <dr.3.tri@...> wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> > 
> > i installed MIDI monitor + MIDI Yoke and checked with MOTU Unisyn
> MIDI 
> > editor which have VZ-8M profile, which kind of results i get from
> SYSEX 
> > output.
> > I changed single parameter which is marked in the picture:
> > http://a.33e.biz/ofiles/VZ-8M_SYSEX-test.png
> > 
> > And result seems to be equivalent to what was said in veezee
> guestbook, 
> > editor sends lots of data with every parameter change, not just
> that one 
> > parameter.
> > 
> > 
> >     "I know I saw one of the VZ sysex manuals on line somewhere.
> It was
> >     snapshots of individual pages, not a pdf. Try the following
> places:
> >     rhe files section here, the files section in the CZ-VZ
> overflow
> >     group, Steve and Sally's VZ site."
> > 
> > Yeah, they were here: 
> >
> http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/CZsynth/files/VZ%20-%20DOCs/sys
> ex_format/
> > 
> > 
> >     "The Waveidea Bitstream 3X sounds like a very handy
> controller. If
> >     the manual is online, could you put up the link? I'd love to
> take a
> >     look at it."
> > 
> > 
> > I think BS3X is the rolls royce of MIDI controllers! It makes
> possible 
> > to assing it's own LFO to what ever parameter, like OP frequency
> at FM 
> > synths etc.. motion sampler and arpeggiator are nice too. =)
> > 
> > http://www.waveidea.com/en/products/bitstream_3x/
> >
> http://www.waveidea.com/en/products/bitstream_3x/presets_list.php
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >
> --------------------------------------------------------------------
> ----------------------------------------------------
> > http://www.chatpage.co.uk/easyveezee/archive.html
> > ----------------------------------------------------
> > Name: Steve (EZVZ Webmaster)
> > Email: steve @sallyandsteve dot com
> > Wednesday 2nd February 2005 10:19 am U.K. Time
> > 
> > Neither the VZ1 nor the VZ8 accept single parameter changes via
> Sysex. 
> > They do accept single patch changes, but you have to send the
> whole 
> > tone/op and if you do that the synth will stop sounding, so you
> cannot 
> > change patches dynamically.
> > 
> > The sysex implementation is documented and it was supplied with
> the 
> > machines when new, but if you don't have it I'm afraid I don't
> know of 
> > anyone who has scanned it in yet, for either the VZ1 or the VZ8.
> If you 
> > do find it, be aware that I know of several errors in the VZ1
> chart 
> > (some subtle ones and a major fundamental one), which have been 
> > discussed on this chat page in the distant past if you look in the
> > archive, so it's possible the VZ8 chart may be wrong too.
> > 
> > If anyone HAS scanned in their sysex implementation manual I'd be
> happy 
> > to host it on this site.
> >
> --------------------------------------------------------------------
> ----------------------------------------------------
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------
> 
> Yahoo! Groups Links
> 
> 
> 
> 


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Unfortunately I was hoping to use it to make programming new sounds quick and easy, rather than performance oriented filter control etc. Anything is better than nothing though, I guess.

I suppose I could use the BCR to change a parameter by changing it and then do an "all" dump, in the way the VZ expects, and resend every time I tweak a control  - not exactly real-time, but maybe better than menu diving.

Cheers, Graham



--- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "Summa" <flotorian@...> wrote:

>
> It's possible to assign some of the parameter to the 
> wheels/aftertouch/foot controler, it's not meant to program the synth 
> but to control the sound. Amp Env Bias is the parameter to look for, 
> when one is after extreme timbre changes, since properly used it can 
> be the equivalent to a filter parameter.
> 
> On 28 Jul 2009 at 1:43, gmeredith1 wrote:
> 
> > Well, that's a real bummer. No chance of doing real time control
> > then. Hmmph.
> > 
> > Cheers, Graham
> > 
> > --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "Dr°3°Tri" <dr.3.tri@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi,
> > > 
> > > i installed MIDI monitor + MIDI Yoke and checked with MOTU Unisyn
> > MIDI 
> > > editor which have VZ-8M profile, which kind of results i get from
> > SYSEX 
> > > output.
> > > I changed single parameter which is marked in the picture:
> > > http://a.33e.biz/ofiles/VZ-8M_SYSEX-test.png
> > > 
> > > And result seems to be equivalent to what was said in veezee
> > guestbook, 
> > > editor sends lots of data with every parameter change, not just
> > that one 
> > > parameter.
> > > 
> > > 
> > >     "I know I saw one of the VZ sysex manuals on line somewhere.
> > It was
> > >     snapshots of individual pages, not a pdf. Try the following
> > places:
> > >     rhe files section here, the files section in the CZ-VZ
> > overflow
> > >     group, Steve and Sally's VZ site."
> > > 
> > > Yeah, they were here: 
> > >
> > http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/CZsynth/files/VZ%20-%20DOCs/sys
> > ex_format/
> > > 
> > > 
> > >     "The Waveidea Bitstream 3X sounds like a very handy
> > controller. If
> > >     the manual is online, could you put up the link? I'd love to
> > take a
> > >     look at it."
> > > 
> > > 
> > > I think BS3X is the rolls royce of MIDI controllers! It makes
> > possible 
> > > to assing it's own LFO to what ever parameter, like OP frequency
> > at FM 
> > > synths etc.. motion sampler and arpeggiator are nice too. =)
> > > 
> > > http://www.waveidea.com/en/products/bitstream_3x/
> > >
> > http://www.waveidea.com/en/products/bitstream_3x/presets_list.php
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > >
> > --------------------------------------------------------------------
> > ----------------------------------------------------
> > > http://www.chatpage.co.uk/easyveezee/archive.html
> > > ----------------------------------------------------
> > > Name: Steve (EZVZ Webmaster)
> > > Email: steve @sallyandsteve dot com
> > > Wednesday 2nd February 2005 10:19 am U.K. Time
> > > 
> > > Neither the VZ1 nor the VZ8 accept single parameter changes via
> > Sysex. 
> > > They do accept single patch changes, but you have to send the
> > whole 
> > > tone/op and if you do that the synth will stop sounding, so you
> > cannot 
> > > change patches dynamically.
> > > 
> > > The sysex implementation is documented and it was supplied with
> > the 
> > > machines when new, but if you don't have it I'm afraid I don't
> > know of 
> > > anyone who has scanned it in yet, for either the VZ1 or the VZ8.
> > If you 
> > > do find it, be aware that I know of several errors in the VZ1
> > chart 
> > > (some subtle ones and a major fundamental one), which have been 
> > > discussed on this chat page in the distant past if you look in the
> > > archive, so it's possible the VZ8 chart may be wrong too.
> > > 
> > > If anyone HAS scanned in their sysex implementation manual I'd be
> > happy 
> > > to host it on this site.
> > >
> > --------------------------------------------------------------------
> > ----------------------------------------------------
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > ------------------------------------
> > 
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
> -- 
> 
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