Casio CZ/ VZ/ FZ - Pro Series

It took me a while but i was able to imitate one of actual bali gamelan instruments and even more. I may include an mp3 examples somewhere else later on but good enough to fool anyone. Note that I was very inspired by wendy carlos's works on her gamelan. Amazing of how she did this on her synergy keyboards. I feel anyone can do the same replicas on a VZ as well but that's just me. Anyone agrees or disagrees with me let me know....

clifton

Yes, Wendy Carlos's album of Balinese music is quite beautiful. Beautiful country too :)

The VZ is certainly capable of these sounds, but unfortunately I think the user interface is too much of a hindrance to get the control one needs for this type of work.
--- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "cliffe123" <cliffe123@...> wrote:

>
> It took me a while but i was able to imitate one of actual bali gamelan instruments and even more. I may include an mp3 examples somewhere else later on but good enough to fool anyone. Note that I was very inspired by wendy carlos's works on her gamelan. Amazing of how she did this on her synergy keyboards. I feel anyone can do the same replicas on a VZ as well but that's just me. Anyone agrees or disagrees with me let me know....
> 
> clifton
>

Yeah, I think it is kind of a hinderance in the begining and im still learning myself trying to feel my way around this VZ programming obstacles. Anyway just I couldn't seem to master the technique of how wendy does hers to make them a real gamelan sounds. Anyway I think you or anybody might be interested in hearing the new mp3 VZ ethno demo at: http://www.cosmosynth.userpage.de/ Scrul down untill you see Ethno soundset for the VZ. This should be worth hearing worth hearing.



--- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "tomulcahy" <tomulcahy@...> wrote:

>
> 
> Yes, Wendy Carlos's album of Balinese music is quite beautiful. Beautiful country too :)
> 
> The VZ is certainly capable of these sounds, but unfortunately I think the user interface is too much of a hindrance to get the control one needs for this type of work.
> --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "cliffe123" <cliffe123@> wrote:
> >
> > It took me a while but i was able to imitate one of actual bali gamelan instruments and even more. I may include an mp3 examples somewhere else later on but good enough to fool anyone. Note that I was very inspired by wendy carlos's works on her gamelan. Amazing of how she did this on her synergy keyboards. I feel anyone can do the same replicas on a VZ as well but that's just me. Anyone agrees or disagrees with me let me know....
> > 
> > clifton
> >
>

Cliff and others, let me pick your brains on VZ patch editing ideas. I have recently been looking into the idea of doing long form performances and have been reeaxmining my VZ-8m patches/op-mems (from the early 1990s, I think) and tweaking them.  However, I suspect there are VZ programming ideas that others have played with (or that you might want to play with) which would lend themselves to long form perfomance.

I have in mind the following criteria):
(1) single patches [combinable into op-mem](with up to 8 VZ modules per patch) 
(2) that slowly change (such as timbre) over a long period of time and
(3) which can be altered in realtime (CCs)

Towards this end, I have tweaked some of my old patches to add CC control. For example, one patch previously used the standard mod wheel CC to take a smooth tone and morph it into a rhythmic patch (amp modulation controlling the sound). To this I added a definable CC that now varies the frequencing of the "lfo." I have done simliar things with other effects.

However, I have not yet tackled the long, sonically self-morphing, sustained type of patch. Have you? Could you? Do you have any programming ideas for this sort of thing? Also, if you have any patches that do this kind of thing, can you share them so I can take them apart to see how they are contructed? Thanks.

--Steve


--- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "cliffe123" <cliffe123@...> wrote:
>
> Yeah, I think it is kind of a hinderance in the begining and im still learning myself trying to feel my way around this VZ programming obstacles. Anyway just I couldn't seem to master the technique of how wendy does hers to make them a real gamelan sounds. Anyway I think you or anybody might be interested in hearing the new mp3 VZ ethno demo at: http://www.cosmosynth.userpage.de/ Scrul down untill you see Ethno soundset for the VZ. This should be worth hearing worth hearing.

In terms of self morphing? I think I have and one example can be found in cliffs set-1, Op Mem A-3. This is generally a two patched voice opmem. For this I used mod wheel 1 and inside of it the A ENV BIAS should be turned ON. The single patch in normal mode to work for the op mem, example MENU1, VALUE 14 of AMP SENS, and SENSITIVITY=7 for M1 or modual-1 for that particular mod wheel tweeking.

Another cool affect you can also try and this is just on the normal patch itself, patch name called HILLAGE LIKE on voice D-6 in cliffs set-2. Play any keys without taking ur fingers off or sort of glide through the keys and you'll notice that sweeping effect. (without the use of a mod wheel) Anyway study them and see what you can incorperate them with. Hope i've answered all your questions.........


--- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "steve_the_composer" <smw-mail@...> wrote:

>
> Cliff and others, let me pick your brains on VZ patch editing ideas. I have recently been looking into the idea of doing long form performances and have been reeaxmining my VZ-8m patches/op-mems (from the early 1990s, I think) and tweaking them.  However, I suspect there are VZ programming ideas that others have played with (or that you might want to play with) which would lend themselves to long form perfomance.
> 
> I have in mind the following criteria):
> (1) single patches [combinable into op-mem](with up to 8 VZ modules per patch) 
> (2) that slowly change (such as timbre) over a long period of time and
> (3) which can be altered in realtime (CCs)
> 
> Towards this end, I have tweaked some of my old patches to add CC control. For example, one patch previously used the standard mod wheel CC to take a smooth tone and morph it into a rhythmic patch (amp modulation controlling the sound). To this I added a definable CC that now varies the frequencing of the "lfo." I have done simliar things with other effects.
> 
> However, I have not yet tackled the long, sonically self-morphing, sustained type of patch. Have you? Could you? Do you have any programming ideas for this sort of thing? Also, if you have any patches that do this kind of thing, can you share them so I can take them apart to see how they are contructed? Thanks.
> 
> --Steve
> 
> 
> --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "cliffe123" <cliffe123@> wrote:
> >
> > Yeah, I think it is kind of a hinderance in the begining and im still learning myself trying to feel my way around this VZ programming obstacles. Anyway just I couldn't seem to master the technique of how wendy does hers to make them a real gamelan sounds. Anyway I think you or anybody might be interested in hearing the new mp3 VZ ethno demo at: http://www.cosmosynth.userpage.de/ Scrul down untill you see Ethno soundset for the VZ. This should be worth hearing worth hearing.
>

will any of the vz1 sys ex work over to the cz101 ????


charles



----- Original Message -----
From: "cliffe123" <cliffe123@...>
To: <CZsynth@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 5:00 PM
Subject: [CZsynth] Re: VZ1 is still impressive.


> In terms of self morphing? I think I have and one example can be found in
cliffs set-1, Op Mem A-3. This is generally a two patched voice opmem. For
this I used mod wheel 1 and inside of it the A ENV BIAS should be turned ON.
The single patch in normal mode to work for the op mem, example MENU1, VALUE
14 of AMP SENS, and SENSITIVITY=7 for M1 or modual-1 for that particular mod
wheel tweeking.
>
> Another cool affect you can also try and this is just on the normal patch
itself, patch name called HILLAGE LIKE on voice D-6 in cliffs set-2. Play
any keys without taking ur fingers off or sort of glide through the keys and
you'll notice that sweeping effect. (without the use of a mod wheel) Anyway
study them and see what you can incorperate them with. Hope i've answered
all your questions.........
>
>
> --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "steve_the_composer" <smw-mail@...> wrote:
> >
> > Cliff and others, let me pick your brains on VZ patch editing ideas. I
have recently been looking into the idea of doing long form performances and
have been reeaxmining my VZ-8m patches/op-mems (from the early 1990s, I
think) and tweaking them.  However, I suspect there are VZ programming ideas
that others have played with (or that you might want to play with) which
would lend themselves to long form perfomance.
> >
> > I have in mind the following criteria):
> > (1) single patches [combinable into op-mem](with up to 8 VZ modules per
patch)
> > (2) that slowly change (such as timbre) over a long period of time and
> > (3) which can be altered in realtime (CCs)
> >
> > Towards this end, I have tweaked some of my old patches to add CC
control. For example, one patch previously used the standard mod wheel CC to
take a smooth tone and morph it into a rhythmic patch (amp modulation
controlling the sound). To this I added a definable CC that now varies the
frequencing of the "lfo." I have done simliar things with other effects.
> >
> > However, I have not yet tackled the long, sonically self-morphing,
sustained type of patch. Have you? Could you? Do you have any programming
ideas for this sort of thing? Also, if you have any patches that do this
kind of thing, can you share them so I can take them apart to see how they
are contructed? Thanks.
> >
> > --Steve
> >
> >
> > --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "cliffe123" <cliffe123@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Yeah, I think it is kind of a hinderance in the begining and im still
learning myself trying to feel my way around this VZ programming obstacles.
Anyway just I couldn't seem to master the technique of how wendy does hers
to make them a real gamelan sounds. Anyway I think you or anybody might be
interested in hearing the new mp3 VZ ethno demo at:
http://www.cosmosynth.userpage.de/ Scrul down untill you see Ethno soundset
for the VZ. This should be worth hearing worth hearing.

> >
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>

Nope CZ and VZ series aren't compatible...

On 22 Oct 2009 at 17:28, charlie from PARRY wrote:

> will any of the vz1 sys ex work over to the cz101 ????
> 
> 
> charles
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "cliffe123" <cliffe123@...>
> To: <CZsynth@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 5:00 PM
> Subject: [CZsynth] Re: VZ1 is still impressive.
> 
> 
> > In terms of self morphing? I think I have and one example can be
> found in
> cliffs set-1, Op Mem A-3. This is generally a two patched voice
> opmem. For
> this I used mod wheel 1 and inside of it the A ENV BIAS should be
> turned ON.
> The single patch in normal mode to work for the op mem, example
> MENU1, VALUE
> 14 of AMP SENS, and SENSITIVITY=7 for M1 or modual-1 for that
> particular mod
> wheel tweeking.
> >
> > Another cool affect you can also try and this is just on the
> normal patch
> itself, patch name called HILLAGE LIKE on voice D-6 in cliffs set-2.
> Play
> any keys without taking ur fingers off or sort of glide through the
> keys and
> you'll notice that sweeping effect. (without the use of a mod wheel)
> Anyway
> study them and see what you can incorperate them with. Hope i've
> answered
> all your questions.........
> >
> >
> > --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "steve_the_composer"
> <smw-mail@...> wrote:
> > >
> > > Cliff and others, let me pick your brains on VZ patch editing
> ideas. I
> have recently been looking into the idea of doing long form
> performances and
> have been reeaxmining my VZ-8m patches/op-mems (from the early
> 1990s, I
> think) and tweaking them.  However, I suspect there are VZ
> programming ideas
> that others have played with (or that you might want to play with)
> which
> would lend themselves to long form perfomance.
> > >
> > > I have in mind the following criteria):
> > > (1) single patches [combinable into op-mem](with up to 8 VZ
> modules per
> patch)
> > > (2) that slowly change (such as timbre) over a long period of
> time and
> > > (3) which can be altered in realtime (CCs)
> > >
> > > Towards this end, I have tweaked some of my old patches to add
> CC
> control. For example, one patch previously used the standard mod
> wheel CC to
> take a smooth tone and morph it into a rhythmic patch (amp
> modulation
> controlling the sound). To this I added a definable CC that now
> varies the
> frequencing of the "lfo." I have done simliar things with other
> effects.
> > >
> > > However, I have not yet tackled the long, sonically
> self-morphing,
> sustained type of patch. Have you? Could you? Do you have any
> programming
> ideas for this sort of thing? Also, if you have any patches that do
> this
> kind of thing, can you share them so I can take them apart to see
> how they
> are contructed? Thanks.
> > >
> > > --Steve
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "cliffe123" <cliffe123@>
> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Yeah, I think it is kind of a hinderance in the begining and
> im still
> learning myself trying to feel my way around this VZ programming
> obstacles.
> Anyway just I couldn't seem to master the technique of how wendy
> does hers
> to make them a real gamelan sounds. Anyway I think you or anybody
> might be
> interested in hearing the new mp3 VZ ethno demo at:
> http://www.cosmosynth.userpage.de/ Scrul down untill you see Ethno
> soundset
> for the VZ. This should be worth hearing worth hearing.
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
> 
> 
> 
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> 
> Yahoo! Groups Links
> 
> 
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> 


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Thanks, Cliff. I will take a listen to those. After my post, I played around some more with one of my old patches that I had tweaked recently. Not having created new sounds for the VZ in decades, it was like re-teaching my self the voice architechture.

I "discovered" that envelopes do not have to end at zero. (I probably knew that years ago.) This is useful for creating an infinite sustain.

I have also started to get some effects by having slow rising envelopes as modulators (via internal and external phase).

Perhaps when I get a few, I will uploaded a bank-in-progress in the files board.  Again, thanks for your reply on this thread--which I have renamed VZ programming: long-form patches.

--Steve

--- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "cliffe123" <cliffe123@...> wrote:

>
> In terms of self morphing? I think I have and one example can be found in cliffs set-1, Op Mem A-3. This is generally a two patched voice opmem. For this I used mod wheel 1 and inside of it the A ENV BIAS should be turned ON. The single patch in normal mode to work for the op mem, example MENU1, VALUE 14 of AMP SENS, and SENSITIVITY=7 for M1 or modual-1 for that particular mod wheel tweeking.
> 
> Another cool affect you can also try and this is just on the normal patch itself, patch name called HILLAGE LIKE on voice D-6 in cliffs set-2. Play any keys without taking ur fingers off or sort of glide through the keys and you'll notice that sweeping effect. (without the use of a mod wheel) Anyway study them and see what you can incorperate them with. Hope i've answered all your questions.........

I have recreated some CZ patches (my own) on the VZ by hand. A few years ago, we discussed a project to map CZ voice architechture to the VZ voice architechture. If that could be done, it might be possible to write a program to automate the conversion process. Personally, I'd rather spend time creating new patches to take advantage of the VZ.

As for converting VZ patches to work on the CZ, I think that would be impossible for at least 90% of available VZ patches, either by sysex or by hand (or perhaps should I say "by ear).

--Steve

--- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "Summa" <flotorian@...> wrote:

>
> Nope CZ and VZ series aren't compatible...
> 
> On 22 Oct 2009 at 17:28, charlie from PARRY wrote:
> 
> > will any of the vz1 sys ex work over to the cz101 ????
> > 
> > 
> > charles
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "cliffe123" <cliffe123@...>
> > To: <CZsynth@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 5:00 PM
> > Subject: [CZsynth] Re: VZ1 is still impressive.
> > 
> > 
> > > In terms of self morphing? I think I have and one example can be
> > found in
> > cliffs set-1, Op Mem A-3. This is generally a two patched voice
> > opmem. For
> > this I used mod wheel 1 and inside of it the A ENV BIAS should be
> > turned ON.
> > The single patch in normal mode to work for the op mem, example
> > MENU1, VALUE
> > 14 of AMP SENS, and SENSITIVITY=7 for M1 or modual-1 for that
> > particular mod
> > wheel tweeking.
> > >
> > > Another cool affect you can also try and this is just on the
> > normal patch
> > itself, patch name called HILLAGE LIKE on voice D-6 in cliffs set-2.
> > Play
> > any keys without taking ur fingers off or sort of glide through the
> > keys and
> > you'll notice that sweeping effect. (without the use of a mod wheel)
> > Anyway
> > study them and see what you can incorperate them with. Hope i've
> > answered
> > all your questions.........
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "steve_the_composer"
> > <smw-mail@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Cliff and others, let me pick your brains on VZ patch editing
> > ideas. I
> > have recently been looking into the idea of doing long form
> > performances and
> > have been reeaxmining my VZ-8m patches/op-mems (from the early
> > 1990s, I
> > think) and tweaking them.  However, I suspect there are VZ
> > programming ideas
> > that others have played with (or that you might want to play with)
> > which
> > would lend themselves to long form perfomance.
> > > >
> > > > I have in mind the following criteria):
> > > > (1) single patches [combinable into op-mem](with up to 8 VZ
> > modules per
> > patch)
> > > > (2) that slowly change (such as timbre) over a long period of
> > time and
> > > > (3) which can be altered in realtime (CCs)
> > > >
> > > > Towards this end, I have tweaked some of my old patches to add
> > CC
> > control. For example, one patch previously used the standard mod
> > wheel CC to
> > take a smooth tone and morph it into a rhythmic patch (amp
> > modulation
> > controlling the sound). To this I added a definable CC that now
> > varies the
> > frequencing of the "lfo." I have done simliar things with other
> > effects.
> > > >
> > > > However, I have not yet tackled the long, sonically
> > self-morphing,
> > sustained type of patch. Have you? Could you? Do you have any
> > programming
> > ideas for this sort of thing? Also, if you have any patches that do
> > this
> > kind of thing, can you share them so I can take them apart to see
> > how they
> > are contructed? Thanks.
> > > >
> > > > --Steve
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "cliffe123" <cliffe123@>
> > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Yeah, I think it is kind of a hinderance in the begining and
> > im still
> > learning myself trying to feel my way around this VZ programming
> > obstacles.
> > Anyway just I couldn't seem to master the technique of how wendy
> > does hers
> > to make them a real gamelan sounds. Anyway I think you or anybody
> > might be
> > interested in hearing the new mp3 VZ ethno demo at:
> > http://www.cosmosynth.userpage.de/ Scrul down untill you see Ethno
> > soundset
> > for the VZ. This should be worth hearing worth hearing.
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------------------------------
> > >
> > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > 
> > 
> > 
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> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> 
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Your so welcome Steve, Well i'll tell you VZ's are sush a wonderful synths in their own ways. Ways that I could not fully describe of how good they sound coz im just scratching the surface but although it took me a great deal of time. You here of soft synths like Alchemy, Spectrasonics Omnisphere, or NI's FM8 maybe all superior to the vz in some extent but in soundwise? Im still stiking with my VZ. So much potential and so much you can do with this beast but maybe programing it would be something to get use too for others.

--- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "steve_the_composer" <smw-mail@...> wrote:

>
> Thanks, Cliff. I will take a listen to those. After my post, I played around some more with one of my old patches that I had tweaked recently. Not having created new sounds for the VZ in decades, it was like re-teaching my self the voice architechture.
> 
> I "discovered" that envelopes do not have to end at zero. (I probably knew that years ago.) This is useful for creating an infinite sustain.
> 
> I have also started to get some effects by having slow rising envelopes as modulators (via internal and external phase).
> 
> Perhaps when I get a few, I will uploaded a bank-in-progress in the files board.  Again, thanks for your reply on this thread--which I have renamed VZ programming: long-form patches.
> 
> --Steve
> 
> --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "cliffe123" <cliffe123@> wrote:
> >
> > In terms of self morphing? I think I have and one example can be found in cliffs set-1, Op Mem A-3. This is generally a two patched voice opmem. For this I used mod wheel 1 and inside of it the A ENV BIAS should be turned ON. The single patch in normal mode to work for the op mem, example MENU1, VALUE 14 of AMP SENS, and SENSITIVITY=7 for M1 or modual-1 for that particular mod wheel tweeking.
> > 
> > Another cool affect you can also try and this is just on the normal patch itself, patch name called HILLAGE LIKE on voice D-6 in cliffs set-2. Play any keys without taking ur fingers off or sort of glide through the keys and you'll notice that sweeping effect. (without the use of a mod wheel) Anyway study them and see what you can incorperate them with. Hope i've answered all your questions.........
>