sysex editor
2009-10-12 by baronvonbovine
Does anyone have a program I can use with windows xp to edit my CZ midi info?
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sysex editor
Re: [CZsynth] sysex editor
2009-10-13 by Lee Borrell
I have a couple - not sure they are much good - I believe there is one in the files section???? --- On Mon, 12/10/09, baronvonbovine <baronvonbovine@yahoo.com> wrote:
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Date: Monday, 12 October, 2009, 8:50 PM
Does anyone have a program I can use with windows xp to edit my CZ midi info?
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2009-10-14 by billbigrig
Howdy, How about I-mac too? A editor /librarian. I'm just now starting to integrate computers in my muzik room, a CZ editor would be great! Rig --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "baronvonbovine" <baronvonbovine@...> wrote:
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Re: sysex editor
2009-10-14 by steve_the_composer
What do you want to do? If you just want to edit a sysex dump, I think you could use midi-ox. --Steve --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "baronvonbovine" <baronvonbovine@...> wrote:
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Re: [CZsynth] Re: sysex editor
2009-10-14 by Lee Borrell
In theory- you can edit a CZ file with MIDI-ox but it is perhaps not the recommended route - I can't recall if CZ's operate a checksum - but if they did it means calculating it manually - and even if they do not - then editing individual bytes is possible - but it means referring to the byte map ( I have it online but the site seems to be down for some reason) - this is why Charles and myself have been trying to find a way to do an editor. There are a couple of options - use a retro emulator such as STEEM to mimic and old machine that has an editor. Get an editor that runs on your system. Write your own editor. Obviously the preferred one is the 2nd one - unless someone has already done it- then it means learning one of the PC languages such as VB or C etc etc. I guess most musos are after a plug and play option - and exe file that allows sysx transfer and editing - to date I have not found a viable one that has not got bugs. Which is why I was planning on writing my own - I have got as far as transferring the internal memory of a DX100 to a commodore machine and breaking down the CZ sysx code to begin planning a program - either way - that is not for the PC - I believe there was a program called UNISYN which Bernard was working on -not sure where that is at. I can send anyone the programs I have which are PC-based for the CZ - I think one is DOS based - and the other runs in windows - I have not used it extensively to say if it is any good. I am pretty sure I got it from the files section of this forum. --- On Wed, 14/10/09, steve_the_composer <smw-mail@...> wrote:
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What do you want to do? If you just want to edit a sysex dump, I think you could use midi-ox. --Steve
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2009-10-14 by charlie from PARRY
i have a bunch of routines aside from what is offered here on the cz group , if you have an atari comptuer, hopefully i will have a decent librarian /editor formulated within a month or two ,, nmaybe for xmas!!!?? keep playing ya'll i'l be back some time charles
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Lee Borrell" <templarser@...> To: <CZsynth@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 5:05 AM Subject: Re: [CZsynth] Re: sysex editor In theory- you can edit a CZ file with MIDI-ox but it is perhaps not the recommended route - I can't recall if CZ's operate a checksum - but if they did it means calculating it manually - and even if they do not - then editing individual bytes is possible - but it means referring to the byte map ( I have it online but the site seems to be down for some reason) - this is why Charles and myself have been trying to find a way to do an editor. There are a couple of options - use a retro emulator such as STEEM to mimic and old machine that has an editor. Get an editor that runs on your system. Write your own editor. Obviously the preferred one is the 2nd one - unless someone has already done it- then it means learning one of the PC languages such as VB or C etc etc. I guess most musos are after a plug and play option - and exe file that allows sysx transfer and editing - to date I have not found a viable one that has not got bugs. Which is why I was planning on writing my own - I have got as far as transferring the internal memory of a DX100 to a commodore machine and breaking down the CZ sysx code to begin planning a program - either way - that is not for the PC - I believe there was a program called UNISYN which Bernard was working on -not sure where that is at. I can send anyone the programs I have which are PC-based for the CZ - I think one is DOS based - and the other runs in windows - I have not used it extensively to say if it is any good. I am pretty sure I got it from the files section of this forum. --- On Wed, 14/10/09, steve_the_composer <smw-mail@...> wrote: From: steve_the_composer <smw-mail@...> Subject: [CZsynth] Re: sysex editor To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, 14 October, 2009, 2:15 AM What do you want to do? If you just want to edit a sysex dump, I think you could use midi-ox. --Steve --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups .com, "baronvonbovine" <baronvonbovine@ ...> wrote: > > Does anyone have a program I can use with windows xp to edit my CZ midi info? > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links
Re: sysex editor
2009-10-14 by korgpolyex800
I think you should consider developing a driver for JsynthLib which is an open source project to provide librarian and patch editing functions for ANY synth that has MIDI/sysex. I designed/created/sell the hardware/software upgrade for the Korg Poly-800 (www.hawk800.com) and I now have a librarian/patch editor working for my upgrade kit based on JsynthLib. It's not quite ready for release yet so it's not posted on the web site - yet. Writing the code for the driver was hard going at first because JsynthLib is based on Java and I had not written any Java for some years. But now that I've gone through the pain of that, I am enjoying adding the editing functions to the code. All of the slider, knobs, switches, etc that you would have to create in a purpose built program are already implemented as widgets so with JsynthLib you just have to focus on the sysex code for each synth. Getting basic librarian patch save/load functions is really quite easy. I would imagine that creating a librarian for any CZ would be relatively easy and the editor wouldn't be too hard after that. Since JsynthLib is Java based, it runs on any platform. That's a very nice thing. Mike. --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, Lee Borrell <templarser@...> wrote:
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> > In theory- you can edit a CZ file with MIDI-ox but it is perhaps not the recommended route - I can't recall if CZ's operate a checksum - but if they did it means calculating it manually - and even if they do not - then editing individual bytes is possible - but it means referring to the byte map ( I have it online but the site seems to be down for some reason) - this is why Charles and myself have been trying to find a way to do an editor. > > There are a couple of options - use a retro emulator such as STEEM to mimic and old machine that has an editor. > Get an editor that runs on your system. > Write your own editor. > > Obviously the preferred one is the 2nd one - unless someone has already done it- then it means learning one of the PC languages such as VB or C etc etc. > > I guess most musos are after a plug and play option - and exe file that allows sysx transfer and editing - to date I have not found a viable one that has not got bugs. Which is why I was planning on writing my own - I have got as far as transferring the internal memory of a DX100 to a commodore machine and breaking down the CZ sysx code to begin planning a program - either way - that is not for the PC - I believe there was a program called UNISYN which Bernard was working on -not sure where that is at. > > I can send anyone the programs I have which are PC-based for the CZ - I think one is DOS based - and the other runs in windows - I have not used it extensively to say if it is any good. I am pretty sure I got it from the files section of this forum. > > --- On Wed, 14/10/09, steve_the_composer <smw-mail@...> wrote: > > > From: steve_the_composer <smw-mail@...> > Subject: [CZsynth] Re: sysex editor > To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com > Date: Wednesday, 14 October, 2009, 2:15 AM > > > > > > > What do you want to do? If you just want to edit a sysex dump, I think you could use midi-ox. --Steve > > --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups .com, "baronvonbovine" <baronvonbovine@ ...> wrote: > > > > Does anyone have a program I can use with windows xp to edit my CZ midi info? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >
Re: sysex editor
2009-10-15 by steve_the_composer
Took a quick look in the sysex manual; no checksum that I could see. (Did I missed it?) I used the equivalent of "debug" to mine the CZ-5000 seqeuncer memory dump format. Obviously it is not a very high level tool, but it really depends what someone wants to do. It was sufficient to change values, see the results, and map the dump and internal memory structure. It even yielded options that could not be entered through the CZ interface. For example, it is possible to set the number of internal voices to zero on a track-by-track basis and have the sequencer tracks play the note data out solely through the CZ-5000 midi port. If someone has the time and ability to write a fully developed CZ patch editor, I'd take some time to test it. Back to the original question: what are you wanting to do? --Steve --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, Lee Borrell <templarser@...> wrote:
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> > In theory- you can edit a CZ file with MIDI-ox but it is perhaps not the recommended route - I can't recall if CZ's operate a checksum - but if they did it means calculating it manually - and even if they do not - then editing individual bytes is possible - but it means referring to the byte map ( I have it online but the site seems to be down for some reason) - this is why Charles and myself have been trying to find a way to do an editor. >
Re: [CZsynth] Re: sysex editor
2009-10-16 by charlie from PARRY
i know there are a ton of them , you'll have to check around , atari computers had a wide range of them , its from that era 80-90's so best bet is to check the files in a ftp site or even look at dos stuff. i am in the middle of writing one for my atari , but really can't be any good for pc /macs charles ----- Original Message ----- From: "billbigrig" <billbigrig@...> To: <CZsynth@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 6:33 PM Subject: [CZsynth] Re: sysex editor > Howdy, > I'm looking for a program that will allow me to program sounds on my CZ-1 and CZ-101s a little more easily and with some graphic representation of what I am doing while I'm doing it. I realize that one cannot hear the results in real time, but with graphic representation of what I'm doing, with a little practice, I should be able to visualize the sound I am making. I'm sure there were lots of them around in the 80s. Not so sure today. > Rig > > --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "billbigrig" <billbigrig@...> wrote: > > > > Howdy, > > How about I-mac too? A editor /librarian. I'm just now starting to integrate computers in my muzik room, a CZ editor would be great! > > Rig > > > > --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "baronvonbovine" <baronvonbovine@> wrote: > > > > > > Does anyone have a program I can use with windows xp to edit my CZ midi info?
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Re: sysex editor
2009-10-16 by billbigrig
Howdy, I'm looking for a program that will allow me to program sounds on my CZ-1 and CZ-101s a little more easily and with some graphic representation of what I am doing while I'm doing it. I realize that one cannot hear the results in real time, but with graphic representation of what I'm doing, with a little practice, I should be able to visualize the sound I am making. I'm sure there were lots of them around in the 80s. Not so sure today. Rig --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "billbigrig" <billbigrig@...> wrote:
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> > Howdy, > How about I-mac too? A editor /librarian. I'm just now starting to integrate computers in my muzik room, a CZ editor would be great! > Rig > > --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "baronvonbovine" <baronvonbovine@> wrote: > > > > Does anyone have a program I can use with windows xp to edit my CZ midi info? > > >
Re: [CZsynth] Re: sysex editor
2009-10-16 by jammie
you can run atari programs on the pc with the st emulator i use it for turbo synth and other goodies
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From: charlie from PARRY
To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 1:56 AM
Subject: Re: [CZsynth] Re: sysex editor
i know there are a ton of them ,
you'll have to check around , atari computers had a wide range of them , its
from that era 80-90's
so best bet is to check the files in a ftp site or
even look at dos stuff.
i am in the middle of writing one for my atari , but really can't be any
good for pc /macs
charles
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From: "billbigrig" <billbigrig@...>
To: <CZsynth@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 6:33 PM
Subject: [CZsynth] Re: sysex editor
> Howdy,
> I'm looking for a program that will allow me to program sounds on my
CZ-1 and CZ-101s a little more easily and with some graphic representation
of what I am doing while I'm doing it. I realize that one cannot hear the
results in real time, but with graphic representation of what I'm doing,
with a little practice, I should be able to visualize the sound I am making.
I'm sure there were lots of them around in the 80s. Not so sure today.
> Rig
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> > How about I-mac too? A editor /librarian. I'm just now starting to
integrate computers in my muzik room, a CZ editor would be great!
> > Rig
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> > --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "baronvonbovine" <baronvonbovine@>
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2009-10-16 by Lee Borrell
That's very interesting - I must look into that - thanks. LEE --- On Wed, 14/10/09, korgpolyex800 <korgpolyex800@...> wrote:
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Subject: [CZsynth] Re: sysex editor
To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, 14 October, 2009, 19:59
I think you should consider developing a driver for JsynthLib which is an open source project to provide librarian and patch editing functions for ANY synth that has MIDI/sysex.
I designed/created/ sell the hardware/software upgrade for the Korg Poly-800 (www.hawk800. com) and I now have a librarian/patch editor working for my upgrade kit based on JsynthLib. It's not quite ready for release yet so it's not posted on the web site - yet.
Writing the code for the driver was hard going at first because JsynthLib is based on Java and I had not written any Java for some years. But now that I've gone through the pain of that, I am enjoying adding the editing functions to the code. All of the slider, knobs, switches, etc that you would have to create in a purpose built program are already implemented as widgets so with JsynthLib you just have to focus on the sysex code for each synth. Getting basic librarian patch save/load functions is really quite easy.
I would imagine that creating a librarian for any CZ would be relatively easy and the editor wouldn't be too hard after that.
Since JsynthLib is Java based, it runs on any platform. That's a very nice thing.
Mike.
--- In CZsynth@yahoogroups .com, Lee Borrell <templarser@ ...> wrote:
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> In theory- you can edit a CZ file with MIDI-ox but it is perhaps not the recommended route - I can't recall if CZ's operate a checksum - but if they did it means calculating it manually - and even if they do not - then editing individual bytes is possible - but it means referring to the byte map ( I have it online but the site seems to be down for some reason) - this is why Charles and myself have been trying to find a way to do an editor.
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> Obviously the preferred one is the 2nd one - unless someone has already done it- then it means learning one of the PC languages such as VB or C etc etc.
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> I guess most musos are after a plug and play option - and exe file that allows sysx transfer and editing - to date I have not found a viable one that has not got bugs. Which is why I was planning on writing my own - I have got as far as transferring the internal memory of a DX100 to a commodore machine and breaking down the CZ sysx code to begin planning a program - either way - that is not for the PC - I believe there was a program called UNISYN which Bernard was working on -not sure where that is at.
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2009-10-21 by Lee Borrell
Could you give me a clue as to how to use this thing? The docs say to tag a shortcut to Jsynth.jar - but no such file exists. Half the files are not registered - and I presume I need to install something else in order to run it. It is exactly because of this type of format that I do not use "open source" or what I call "comes in bits" programs. All I want is a simple EXE that runs as soon as you double click. It was due to Vbasic's capacity to create "comes in bits" programs that they failed to work when I transported them between OS or even between machines with the same platforms. I am guessing that Jsynth is incompatible with WIN98 and seeing as all my synths are tied to a 98 machine that makes things kind of awkward. Although I have a MIDI compatible XP machine - Jsynth doesn't seem to be just a matter of starting it up. Anyone who creates programs that require from me more than a double click to get it running are failing in their task to create a good program. Any clues? --- On Wed, 14/10/09, korgpolyex800 <korgpolyex800@...> wrote:
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Subject: [CZsynth] Re: sysex editor
To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, 14 October, 2009, 19:59
I think you should consider developing a driver for JsynthLib which is an open source project to provide librarian and patch editing functions for ANY synth that has MIDI/sysex.
I designed/created/ sell the hardware/software upgrade for the Korg Poly-800 (www.hawk800. com) and I now have a librarian/patch editor working for my upgrade kit based on JsynthLib. It's not quite ready for release yet so it's not posted on the web site - yet.
Writing the code for the driver was hard going at first because JsynthLib is based on Java and I had not written any Java for some years. But now that I've gone through the pain of that, I am enjoying adding the editing functions to the code. All of the slider, knobs, switches, etc that you would have to create in a purpose built program are already implemented as widgets so with JsynthLib you just have to focus on the sysex code for each synth. Getting basic librarian patch save/load functions is really quite easy.
I would imagine that creating a librarian for any CZ would be relatively easy and the editor wouldn't be too hard after that.
Since JsynthLib is Java based, it runs on any platform. That's a very nice thing.
Mike.
--- In CZsynth@yahoogroups .com, Lee Borrell <templarser@ ...> wrote:
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2009-10-21 by jeff bornhoeft
I haven't had any luck with Jsynth myself (and truthfully haven't spent much time at all on the problem) but believe it requires java to be installed in order to run. So, have you installed java? On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 12:40 PM, Lee Borrell <templarser@...>wrote: > > > Could you give me a clue as to how to use this thing? > > The docs say to tag a shortcut to Jsynth.jar - but no such file exists. > > Half the files are not registered - and I presume I need to install > something else in order to run it. It is exactly because of this type of > format that I do not use "open source" or what I call "comes in bits" > programs. > > All I want is a simple EXE that runs as soon as you double click. It was > due to Vbasic's capacity to create "comes in bits" programs that they > failed to work when I transported them between OS or even between machines > with the same platforms. > > I am guessing that Jsynth is incompatible with WIN98 and seeing as all my > synths are tied to a 98 machine that makes things kind of awkward. Although > I have a MIDI compatible XP machine - Jsynth doesn't seem to be just a > matter of starting it up. Anyone who creates programs that require from me > more than a double click to get it running are failing in their task to > create a good program. > > Any clues? > > --- On Wed, 14/10/09, korgpolyex800 <korgpolyex800@...<korgpolyex800%40yahoo.com>> > wrote: > > From: korgpolyex800 <korgpolyex800@... <korgpolyex800%40yahoo.com>> > Subject: [CZsynth] Re: sysex editor > To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com <CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> > Date: Wednesday, 14 October, 2009, 19:59 > > > > I think you should consider developing a driver for JsynthLib which is an > open source project to provide librarian and patch editing functions for ANY > synth that has MIDI/sysex. > > I designed/created/ sell the hardware/software upgrade for the Korg > Poly-800 (www.hawk800. com) and I now have a librarian/patch editor working > for my upgrade kit based on JsynthLib. It's not quite ready for release yet > so it's not posted on the web site - yet. > > Writing the code for the driver was hard going at first because JsynthLib > is based on Java and I had not written any Java for some years. But now that > I've gone through the pain of that, I am enjoying adding the editing > functions to the code. All of the slider, knobs, switches, etc that you > would have to create in a purpose built program are already implemented as > widgets so with JsynthLib you just have to focus on the sysex code for each > synth. Getting basic librarian patch save/load functions is really quite > easy. > > I would imagine that creating a librarian for any CZ would be relatively > easy and the editor wouldn't be too hard after that. > > Since JsynthLib is Java based, it runs on any platform. That's a very nice > thing. > > Mike. > > --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups .com, Lee Borrell <templarser@ ...> wrote: > > > > In theory- you can edit a CZ file with MIDI-ox but it is perhaps not the > recommended route - I can't recall if CZ's operate a checksum - but if they > did it means calculating it manually - and even if they do not - then > editing individual bytes is possible - but it means referring to the byte > map ( I have it online but the site seems to be down for some reason) - this > is why Charles and myself have been trying to find a way to do an editor. > > > > There are a couple of options - use a retro emulator such as STEEM to > mimic and old machine that has an editor. > > Get an editor that runs on your system. > > Write your own editor. > > > > Obviously the preferred one is the 2nd one - unless someone has already > done it- then it means learning one of the PC languages such as VB or C etc > etc. > > > > I guess most musos are after a plug and play option - and exe file that > allows sysx transfer and editing - to date I have not found a viable one > that has not got bugs. Which is why I was planning on writing my own - I > have got as far as transferring the internal memory of a DX100 to a > commodore machine and breaking down the CZ sysx code to begin planning a > program - either way - that is not for the PC - I believe there was a > program called UNISYN which Bernard was working on -not sure where that is > at. > > > > I can send anyone the programs I have which are PC-based for the CZ - I > think one is DOS based - and the other runs in windows - I have not used it > extensively to say if it is any good. I am pretty sure I got it from the > files section of this forum. > > > > --- On Wed, 14/10/09, steve_the_composer <smw-mail@.. .> wrote: > > > > > > From: steve_the_composer <smw-mail@.. .> > > Subject: [CZsynth] Re: sysex editor > > To: CZsynth@yahoogroups .com > > Date: Wednesday, 14 October, 2009, 2:15 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What do you want to do? If you just want to edit a sysex dump, I think > you could use midi-ox. --Steve > > > > --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups .com, "baronvonbovine" <baronvonbovine@ ...> > wrote: > > > > > > Does anyone have a program I can use with windows xp to edit my CZ midi > info? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [CZsynth] Re: sysex editor
2009-10-21 by jammie
jsynth is an exe file but it works under a schell program called java if you havent got java it wont work the good thing about java is thats it a visual programming language that works under any operating system theres lots of synth programs and editors made by people using the java language it will work on windows98 aswell as xp or mac or linux
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From: jeff bornhoeft
To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 7:50 PM
Subject: Re: [CZsynth] Re: sysex editor
I haven't had any luck with Jsynth myself (and truthfully haven't spent much
time at all on the problem) but believe it requires java to be installed in
order to run. So, have you installed java?
On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 12:40 PM, Lee Borrell <templarser@...>wrote:
>
>
> Could you give me a clue as to how to use this thing?
>
> The docs say to tag a shortcut to Jsynth.jar - but no such file exists.
>
> Half the files are not registered - and I presume I need to install
> something else in order to run it. It is exactly because of this type of
> format that I do not use "open source" or what I call "comes in bits"
> programs.
>
> All I want is a simple EXE that runs as soon as you double click. It was
> due to Vbasic's capacity to create "comes in bits" programs that they
> failed to work when I transported them between OS or even between machines
> with the same platforms.
>
> I am guessing that Jsynth is incompatible with WIN98 and seeing as all my
> synths are tied to a 98 machine that makes things kind of awkward. Although
> I have a MIDI compatible XP machine - Jsynth doesn't seem to be just a
> matter of starting it up. Anyone who creates programs that require from me
> more than a double click to get it running are failing in their task to
> create a good program.
>
> Any clues?
>
> --- On Wed, 14/10/09, korgpolyex800 <korgpolyex800@...<korgpolyex800%40yahoo.com>>
> wrote:
>
> From: korgpolyex800 <korgpolyex800@... <korgpolyex800%40yahoo.com>>
> Subject: [CZsynth] Re: sysex editor
> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com <CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com>
> Date: Wednesday, 14 October, 2009, 19:59
>
>
>
> I think you should consider developing a driver for JsynthLib which is an
> open source project to provide librarian and patch editing functions for ANY
> synth that has MIDI/sysex.
>
> I designed/created/ sell the hardware/software upgrade for the Korg
> Poly-800 (www.hawk800. com) and I now have a librarian/patch editor working
> for my upgrade kit based on JsynthLib. It's not quite ready for release yet
> so it's not posted on the web site - yet.
>
> Writing the code for the driver was hard going at first because JsynthLib
> is based on Java and I had not written any Java for some years. But now that
> I've gone through the pain of that, I am enjoying adding the editing
> functions to the code. All of the slider, knobs, switches, etc that you
> would have to create in a purpose built program are already implemented as
> widgets so with JsynthLib you just have to focus on the sysex code for each
> synth. Getting basic librarian patch save/load functions is really quite
> easy.
>
> I would imagine that creating a librarian for any CZ would be relatively
> easy and the editor wouldn't be too hard after that.
>
> Since JsynthLib is Java based, it runs on any platform. That's a very nice
> thing.
>
> Mike.
>
> --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups .com, Lee Borrell <templarser@ ...> wrote:
> >
> > In theory- you can edit a CZ file with MIDI-ox but it is perhaps not the
> recommended route - I can't recall if CZ's operate a checksum - but if they
> did it means calculating it manually - and even if they do not - then
> editing individual bytes is possible - but it means referring to the byte
> map ( I have it online but the site seems to be down for some reason) - this
> is why Charles and myself have been trying to find a way to do an editor.
> >
> > There are a couple of options - use a retro emulator such as STEEM to
> mimic and old machine that has an editor.
> > Get an editor that runs on your system.
> > Write your own editor.
> >
> > Obviously the preferred one is the 2nd one - unless someone has already
> done it- then it means learning one of the PC languages such as VB or C etc
> etc.
> >
> > I guess most musos are after a plug and play option - and exe file that
> allows sysx transfer and editing - to date I have not found a viable one
> that has not got bugs. Which is why I was planning on writing my own - I
> have got as far as transferring the internal memory of a DX100 to a
> commodore machine and breaking down the CZ sysx code to begin planning a
> program - either way - that is not for the PC - I believe there was a
> program called UNISYN which Bernard was working on -not sure where that is
> at.
> >
> > I can send anyone the programs I have which are PC-based for the CZ - I
> think one is DOS based - and the other runs in windows - I have not used it
> extensively to say if it is any good. I am pretty sure I got it from the
> files section of this forum.
> >
> > --- On Wed, 14/10/09, steve_the_composer <smw-mail@.. .> wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: steve_the_composer <smw-mail@.. .>
> > Subject: [CZsynth] Re: sysex editor
> > To: CZsynth@yahoogroups .com
> > Date: Wednesday, 14 October, 2009, 2:15 AM
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> >
> >
> >
> >
> > What do you want to do? If you just want to edit a sysex dump, I think
> you could use midi-ox. --Steve
> >
> > --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups .com, "baronvonbovine" <baronvonbovine@ ...>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > Does anyone have a program I can use with windows xp to edit my CZ midi
> info?
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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]Re: [CZsynth] Re: sysex editor
2009-10-21 by charlie from PARRY
hey jammie can you direct me wher eto ind a good basic -esk code of the cz editor ? charles ----- Original Message ----- From: "jammie" <jammie.emma@...> To: <CZsynth@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 12:28 PM Subject: Re: [CZsynth] Re: sysex editor > jsynth is an exe file but it works under a schell program called java if you havent got java it wont work > > the good thing about java is thats it a visual programming language that works under any operating system > > theres lots of synth programs and editors made by people using the java language it will work on windows98 aswell as xp or mac or linux > ----- Original Message ----- > From: jeff bornhoeft > To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 7:50 PM > Subject: Re: [CZsynth] Re: sysex editor > > > I haven't had any luck with Jsynth myself (and truthfully haven't spent much > time at all on the problem) but believe it requires java to be installed in > order to run. So, have you installed java? > > On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 12:40 PM, Lee Borrell <templarser@...>wrote: > > > > > > > Could you give me a clue as to how to use this thing? > > > > The docs say to tag a shortcut to Jsynth.jar - but no such file exists. > > > > Half the files are not registered - and I presume I need to install > > something else in order to run it. It is exactly because of this type of > > format that I do not use "open source" or what I call "comes in bits" > > programs. > > > > All I want is a simple EXE that runs as soon as you double click. It was > > due to Vbasic's capacity to create "comes in bits" programs that they > > failed to work when I transported them between OS or even between machines > > with the same platforms. > > > > I am guessing that Jsynth is incompatible with WIN98 and seeing as all my > > synths are tied to a 98 machine that makes things kind of awkward. Although > > I have a MIDI compatible XP machine - Jsynth doesn't seem to be just a > > matter of starting it up. Anyone who creates programs that require from me > > more than a double click to get it running are failing in their task to > > create a good program. > > > > Any clues? > > > > --- On Wed, 14/10/09, korgpolyex800 <korgpolyex800@...<korgpolyex800%40yahoo.com>> > > wrote: > > > > From: korgpolyex800 <korgpolyex800@... <korgpolyex800%40yahoo.com>> > > Subject: [CZsynth] Re: sysex editor > > To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com <CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> > > Date: Wednesday, 14 October, 2009, 19:59 > > > > > > > > I think you should consider developing a driver for JsynthLib which is an > > open source project to provide librarian and patch editing functions for ANY > > synth that has MIDI/sysex. > > > > I designed/created/ sell the hardware/software upgrade for the Korg > > Poly-800 (www.hawk800. com) and I now have a librarian/patch editor working > > for my upgrade kit based on JsynthLib. It's not quite ready for release yet > > so it's not posted on the web site - yet. > > > > Writing the code for the driver was hard going at first because JsynthLib > > is based on Java and I had not written any Java for some years. But now that > > I've gone through the pain of that, I am enjoying adding the editing > > functions to the code. All of the slider, knobs, switches, etc that you > > would have to create in a purpose built program are already implemented as > > widgets so with JsynthLib you just have to focus on the sysex code for each > > synth. Getting basic librarian patch save/load functions is really quite > > easy. > > > > I would imagine that creating a librarian for any CZ would be relatively > > easy and the editor wouldn't be too hard after that. > > > > Since JsynthLib is Java based, it runs on any platform. That's a very nice > > thing. > > > > Mike. > > > > --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups .com, Lee Borrell <templarser@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > In theory- you can edit a CZ file with MIDI-ox but it is perhaps not the > > recommended route - I can't recall if CZ's operate a checksum - but if they > > did it means calculating it manually - and even if they do not - then > > editing individual bytes is possible - but it means referring to the byte > > map ( I have it online but the site seems to be down for some reason) - this > > is why Charles and myself have been trying to find a way to do an editor. > > > > > > There are a couple of options - use a retro emulator such as STEEM to > > mimic and old machine that has an editor. > > > Get an editor that runs on your system. > > > Write your own editor. > > > > > > Obviously the preferred one is the 2nd one - unless someone has already > > done it- then it means learning one of the PC languages such as VB or C etc > > etc. > > > > > > I guess most musos are after a plug and play option - and exe file that > > allows sysx transfer and editing - to date I have not found a viable one > > that has not got bugs. Which is why I was planning on writing my own - I > > have got as far as transferring the internal memory of a DX100 to a > > commodore machine and breaking down the CZ sysx code to begin planning a > > program - either way - that is not for the PC - I believe there was a > > program called UNISYN which Bernard was working on -not sure where that is > > at. > > > > > > I can send anyone the programs I have which are PC-based for the CZ - I > > think one is DOS based - and the other runs in windows - I have not used it > > extensively to say if it is any good. I am pretty sure I got it from the > > files section of this forum. > > > > > > --- On Wed, 14/10/09, steve_the_composer <smw-mail@.. .> wrote: > > > > > > > > > From: steve_the_composer <smw-mail@.. .> > > > Subject: [CZsynth] Re: sysex editor > > > To: CZsynth@yahoogroups .com > > > Date: Wednesday, 14 October, 2009, 2:15 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What do you want to do? If you just want to edit a sysex dump, I think > > you could use midi-ox. --Steve > > > > > > --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups .com, "baronvonbovine" <baronvonbovine@ ...> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Does anyone have a program I can use with windows xp to edit my CZ midi > > info? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.422 / Virus Database: 270.14.24/2449 - Release Date: 10/20/09 18:42:00
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Re: [CZsynth] Re: sysex editor
2009-10-25 by charlie from PARRY
hi carl , i was wondering if you have those drivers and would be kind enough to send to me for midi quest , i use the atari version(of midi quest) , and you guessed it , i can't get mine to work using midi quest ,i have drivers but am missing the templates, i am in the process of writing my own cz101 editor but its for use on the atari i mailily use for midi but i wrote it using the atari emulator which runs on windows.. i know of couple good ones which work in the emulator that windows xp can power. any how look forward to hear back from you ! charles ----- Original Message -----
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From: "Karl H. May" <kmay@...> To: <CZsynth@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, October 25, 2009 3:34 PM Subject: RE: [CZsynth] Re: sysex editor > Hi All, > > I have been trying without success for about 12 months to get an > editor/librarian working for my CZ101 in Windows XP or 3.1. I use 3.1 > for midi sequencing on an old 486. > > I mainly want a librarian because I don't mind editing sounds on the CZ > itself. > > This is what I have found so far: > > 1. There is a freeware patch editor at ahermida@.... It is called > CZSysEditor. My recollection is that it will work under XP. > > 2. There is a freeware editor/librarian called Soundlib at > www.sonicspot.com. It looks very good, but I haven't been able to get it > to work under either XP or 3.1. If anyone gets it to work, please post > the steps they took to get it to work. > > 3. There is a file called cseo2install floating around. It is an > editor/librarian. I haven't tried it. Google it. > > 4.I have tried the sys ex librarian in the sequencer I use, Powertracks. > It will get The CZ to dump data to it, but only 7 bytes. This is an > incomplete dump. > > 5. Midi Ox may not work, because I believe it requires the synth to > initiate the dump. I believe there is no facility in the CZ to initiate > a dump. > > 6. I have tried MidiQuest versions 4,6, and 10, and none of them work > with my CZ. > > I have had dialogue with Michael Lambie at MidiQuest about it. He says > MQ seems to work with some CZ's but not others. He doesn't know why, but > wonders whether the specs were changed during the production life. He > says the CZ1 was a later synth with a more friendly sys ex > implementation. He sent me some modified drivers which I haven't tried > yet. He suspects the problem is with the delay timing, and he has sent > me some info on how to change the delay timing which I haven't tried > yet. If I get it to work, I'll post the steps. You can download a demo > of MidiQuest from their site. > > If anyone gets a librarian working for the 101 under windows please post > the steps taken. > > For Apple users, I believe Sound Diver works. > > Cheers, Karl May > > > > ________________________________ > > From: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com [mailto:CZsynth@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf > Of steve_the_composer > Sent: Thursday, 15 October 2009 12:20 PM > To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [CZsynth] Re: sysex editor > > > > > Took a quick look in the sysex manual; no checksum that I could see. > (Did I missed it?) > > I used the equivalent of "debug" to mine the CZ-5000 seqeuncer memory > dump format. Obviously it is not a very high level tool, but it really > depends what someone wants to do. It was sufficient to change values, > see the results, and map the dump and internal memory structure. It even > yielded options that could not be entered through the CZ interface. > > For example, it is possible to set the number of internal voices to zero > on a track-by-track basis and have the sequencer tracks play the note > data out solely through the CZ-5000 midi port. > > If someone has the time and ability to write a fully developed CZ patch > editor, I'd take some time to test it. > > Back to the original question: what are you wanting to do? > > --Steve > > --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> , Lee > Borrell <templarser@...> wrote: > > > > In theory- you can edit a CZ file with MIDI-ox but it is perhaps not > the recommended route - I can't recall if CZ's operate a checksum - but > if they did it means calculating it manually - and even if they do not - > then editing individual bytes is possible - but it means referring to > the byte map ( I have it online but the site seems to be down for some > reason) - this is why Charles and myself have been trying to find a way > to do an editor. > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > >
Re: [CZsynth] Re: sysex editor
2009-10-25 by charlie from PARRY
thanks!!!! i forgot to mention there are always cd's on ebay of editors and sounds for these classic synthesizers charles ----- Original Message -----
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From: "Karl H. May" <kmay@...> To: <CZsynth@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, October 25, 2009 3:53 PM Subject: RE: [CZsynth] Re: sysex editor > Hi Charles, > > I'll have a look at home tonight and get back to you tomorrow. > > Cheers, Karl > > > > ________________________________ > > From: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com [mailto:CZsynth@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf > Of charlie from PARRY > Sent: Monday, 26 October 2009 9:48 AM > To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [CZsynth] Re: sysex editor > > > > > hi carl , i was wondering if you have those drivers and would be kind > enough > to send to me for midi quest , > i use the atari version(of midi quest) , > and you guessed it , i can't get mine to work using midi quest ,i have > drivers but am missing the templates, > > i am in the process of writing my own cz101 editor but its for use on > the > atari i mailily use for midi > > but i wrote it using the atari emulator which runs on windows.. > > i know of couple good ones which work in the emulator that windows xp > can > power. > > any how look forward to hear back from you ! > > charles > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Karl H. May" <kmay@... > <mailto:kmay%40brayecragg.com.au> > > To: <CZsynth@yahoogroups.com <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> > > Sent: Sunday, October 25, 2009 3:34 PM > Subject: RE: [CZsynth] Re: sysex editor > > > Hi All, > > > > I have been trying without success for about 12 months to get an > > editor/librarian working for my CZ101 in Windows XP or 3.1. I use 3.1 > > for midi sequencing on an old 486. > > > > I mainly want a librarian because I don't mind editing sounds on the > CZ > > itself. > > > > This is what I have found so far: > > > > 1. There is a freeware patch editor at ahermida@... > <mailto:ahermida%40erols.com> . It is called > > CZSysEditor. My recollection is that it will work under XP. > > > > 2. There is a freeware editor/librarian called Soundlib at > > www.sonicspot.com. It looks very good, but I haven't been able to get > it > > to work under either XP or 3.1. If anyone gets it to work, please post > > the steps they took to get it to work. > > > > 3. There is a file called cseo2install floating around. It is an > > editor/librarian. I haven't tried it. Google it. > > > > 4.I have tried the sys ex librarian in the sequencer I use, > Powertracks. > > It will get The CZ to dump data to it, but only 7 bytes. This is an > > incomplete dump. > > > > 5. Midi Ox may not work, because I believe it requires the synth to > > initiate the dump. I believe there is no facility in the CZ to > initiate > > a dump. > > > > 6. I have tried MidiQuest versions 4,6, and 10, and none of them work > > with my CZ. > > > > I have had dialogue with Michael Lambie at MidiQuest about it. He says > > MQ seems to work with some CZ's but not others. He doesn't know why, > but > > wonders whether the specs were changed during the production life. He > > says the CZ1 was a later synth with a more friendly sys ex > > implementation. He sent me some modified drivers which I haven't tried > > yet. He suspects the problem is with the delay timing, and he has sent > > me some info on how to change the delay timing which I haven't tried > > yet. If I get it to work, I'll post the steps. You can download a demo > > of MidiQuest from their site. > > > > If anyone gets a librarian working for the 101 under windows please > post > > the steps taken. > > > > For Apple users, I believe Sound Diver works. > > > > Cheers, Karl May > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > From: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:CZsynth@yahoogroups.com <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> ] On > Behalf > > Of steve_the_composer > > Sent: Thursday, 15 October 2009 12:20 PM > > To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: [CZsynth] Re: sysex editor > > > > > > > > > > Took a quick look in the sysex manual; no checksum that I could see. > > (Did I missed it?) > > > > I used the equivalent of "debug" to mine the CZ-5000 seqeuncer memory > > dump format. Obviously it is not a very high level tool, but it really > > depends what someone wants to do. It was sufficient to change values, > > see the results, and map the dump and internal memory structure. It > even > > yielded options that could not be entered through the CZ interface. > > > > For example, it is possible to set the number of internal voices to > zero > > on a track-by-track basis and have the sequencer tracks play the note > > data out solely through the CZ-5000 midi port. > > > > If someone has the time and ability to write a fully developed CZ > patch > > editor, I'd take some time to test it. > > > > Back to the original question: what are you wanting to do? > > > > --Steve > > > > --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> , Lee > > Borrell <templarser@...> wrote: > > > > > > In theory- you can edit a CZ file with MIDI-ox but it is perhaps not > > the recommended route - I can't recall if CZ's operate a checksum - > but > > if they did it means calculating it manually - and even if they do not > - > > then editing individual bytes is possible - but it means referring to > > the byte map ( I have it online but the site seems to be down for some > > reason) - this is why Charles and myself have been trying to find a > way > > to do an editor. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > >
RE: [CZsynth] Re: sysex editor
2009-10-25 by Karl H. May
Hi All,
I have been trying without success for about 12 months to get an
editor/librarian working for my CZ101 in Windows XP or 3.1. I use 3.1
for midi sequencing on an old 486.
I mainly want a librarian because I don't mind editing sounds on the CZ
itself.
This is what I have found so far:
1. There is a freeware patch editor at ahermida@.... It is called
CZSysEditor. My recollection is that it will work under XP.
2. There is a freeware editor/librarian called Soundlib at
www.sonicspot.com. It looks very good, but I haven't been able to get it
to work under either XP or 3.1. If anyone gets it to work, please post
the steps they took to get it to work.
3. There is a file called cseo2install floating around. It is an
editor/librarian. I haven't tried it. Google it.
4.I have tried the sys ex librarian in the sequencer I use, Powertracks.
It will get The CZ to dump data to it, but only 7 bytes. This is an
incomplete dump.
5. Midi Ox may not work, because I believe it requires the synth to
initiate the dump. I believe there is no facility in the CZ to initiate
a dump.
6. I have tried MidiQuest versions 4,6, and 10, and none of them work
with my CZ.
I have had dialogue with Michael Lambie at MidiQuest about it. He says
MQ seems to work with some CZ's but not others. He doesn't know why, but
wonders whether the specs were changed during the production life. He
says the CZ1 was a later synth with a more friendly sys ex
implementation. He sent me some modified drivers which I haven't tried
yet. He suspects the problem is with the delay timing, and he has sent
me some info on how to change the delay timing which I haven't tried
yet. If I get it to work, I'll post the steps. You can download a demo
of MidiQuest from their site.
If anyone gets a librarian working for the 101 under windows please post
the steps taken.
For Apple users, I believe Sound Diver works.
Cheers, Karl May
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From: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com [mailto:CZsynth@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of steve_the_composer Sent: Thursday, 15 October 2009 12:20 PM To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com Subject: [CZsynth] Re: sysex editor Took a quick look in the sysex manual; no checksum that I could see. (Did I missed it?) I used the equivalent of "debug" to mine the CZ-5000 seqeuncer memory dump format. Obviously it is not a very high level tool, but it really depends what someone wants to do. It was sufficient to change values, see the results, and map the dump and internal memory structure. It even yielded options that could not be entered through the CZ interface. For example, it is possible to set the number of internal voices to zero on a track-by-track basis and have the sequencer tracks play the note data out solely through the CZ-5000 midi port. If someone has the time and ability to write a fully developed CZ patch editor, I'd take some time to test it. Back to the original question: what are you wanting to do? --Steve --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> , Lee Borrell <templarser@...> wrote: > > In theory- you can edit a CZ file with MIDI-ox but it is perhaps not the recommended route - I can't recall if CZ's operate a checksum - but if they did it means calculating it manually - and even if they do not - then editing individual bytes is possible - but it means referring to the byte map ( I have it online but the site seems to be down for some reason) - this is why Charles and myself have been trying to find a way to do an editor. > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
RE: [CZsynth] Re: sysex editor
2009-10-25 by Karl H. May
Hi Charles, I'll have a look at home tonight and get back to you tomorrow. Cheers, Karl ________________________________
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From: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com [mailto:CZsynth@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of charlie from PARRY Sent: Monday, 26 October 2009 9:48 AM To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [CZsynth] Re: sysex editor hi carl , i was wondering if you have those drivers and would be kind enough to send to me for midi quest , i use the atari version(of midi quest) , and you guessed it , i can't get mine to work using midi quest ,i have drivers but am missing the templates, i am in the process of writing my own cz101 editor but its for use on the atari i mailily use for midi but i wrote it using the atari emulator which runs on windows.. i know of couple good ones which work in the emulator that windows xp can power. any how look forward to hear back from you ! charles ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karl H. May" <kmay@... <mailto:kmay%40brayecragg.com.au> > To: <CZsynth@yahoogroups.com <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Sunday, October 25, 2009 3:34 PM Subject: RE: [CZsynth] Re: sysex editor > Hi All, > > I have been trying without success for about 12 months to get an > editor/librarian working for my CZ101 in Windows XP or 3.1. I use 3.1 > for midi sequencing on an old 486. > > I mainly want a librarian because I don't mind editing sounds on the CZ > itself. > > This is what I have found so far: > > 1. There is a freeware patch editor at ahermida@... <mailto:ahermida%40erols.com> . It is called > CZSysEditor. My recollection is that it will work under XP. > > 2. There is a freeware editor/librarian called Soundlib at > www.sonicspot.com. It looks very good, but I haven't been able to get it > to work under either XP or 3.1. If anyone gets it to work, please post > the steps they took to get it to work. > > 3. There is a file called cseo2install floating around. It is an > editor/librarian. I haven't tried it. Google it. > > 4.I have tried the sys ex librarian in the sequencer I use, Powertracks. > It will get The CZ to dump data to it, but only 7 bytes. This is an > incomplete dump. > > 5. Midi Ox may not work, because I believe it requires the synth to > initiate the dump. I believe there is no facility in the CZ to initiate > a dump. > > 6. I have tried MidiQuest versions 4,6, and 10, and none of them work > with my CZ. > > I have had dialogue with Michael Lambie at MidiQuest about it. He says > MQ seems to work with some CZ's but not others. He doesn't know why, but > wonders whether the specs were changed during the production life. He > says the CZ1 was a later synth with a more friendly sys ex > implementation. He sent me some modified drivers which I haven't tried > yet. He suspects the problem is with the delay timing, and he has sent > me some info on how to change the delay timing which I haven't tried > yet. If I get it to work, I'll post the steps. You can download a demo > of MidiQuest from their site. > > If anyone gets a librarian working for the 101 under windows please post > the steps taken. > > For Apple users, I believe Sound Diver works. > > Cheers, Karl May > > > > ________________________________ > > From: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:CZsynth@yahoogroups.com <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf > Of steve_the_composer > Sent: Thursday, 15 October 2009 12:20 PM > To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: [CZsynth] Re: sysex editor > > > > > Took a quick look in the sysex manual; no checksum that I could see. > (Did I missed it?) > > I used the equivalent of "debug" to mine the CZ-5000 seqeuncer memory > dump format. Obviously it is not a very high level tool, but it really > depends what someone wants to do. It was sufficient to change values, > see the results, and map the dump and internal memory structure. It even > yielded options that could not be entered through the CZ interface. > > For example, it is possible to set the number of internal voices to zero > on a track-by-track basis and have the sequencer tracks play the note > data out solely through the CZ-5000 midi port. > > If someone has the time and ability to write a fully developed CZ patch > editor, I'd take some time to test it. > > Back to the original question: what are you wanting to do? > > --Steve > > --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> , Lee > Borrell <templarser@...> wrote: > > > > In theory- you can edit a CZ file with MIDI-ox but it is perhaps not > the recommended route - I can't recall if CZ's operate a checksum - but > if they did it means calculating it manually - and even if they do not - > then editing individual bytes is possible - but it means referring to > the byte map ( I have it online but the site seems to be down for some > reason) - this is why Charles and myself have been trying to find a way > to do an editor. > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [CZsynth] Re: sysex editor
2009-10-26 by Lee Borrell
I noted that it needed JAVA - but presumed JAVA had to be already installed on XP in order to run WIn applets online. As for win98 that all my sound stuff is on - I rather to do hold out much hope. --- On Wed, 21/10/09, jeff bornhoeft <jbornhoeft@...> wrote:
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From: jeff bornhoeft <jbornhoeft@...>
Subject: Re: [CZsynth] Re: sysex editor
To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, 21 October, 2009, 19:50
I haven't had any luck with Jsynth myself (and truthfully haven't spent much
time at all on the problem) but believe it requires java to be installed in
order to run. So, have you installed java?
On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 12:40 PM, Lee Borrell <templarser@yahoo. co.uk>wrote:
>
>
> Could you give me a clue as to how to use this thing?
>
> The docs say to tag a shortcut to Jsynth.jar - but no such file exists.
>
> Half the files are not registered - and I presume I need to install
> something else in order to run it. It is exactly because of this type of
> format that I do not use "open source" or what I call "comes in bits"
> programs.
>
> All I want is a simple EXE that runs as soon as you double click. It was
> due to Vbasic's capacity to create "comes in bits" programs that they
> failed to work when I transported them between OS or even between machines
> with the same platforms.
>
> I am guessing that Jsynth is incompatible with WIN98 and seeing as all my
> synths are tied to a 98 machine that makes things kind of awkward. Although
> I have a MIDI compatible XP machine - Jsynth doesn't seem to be just a
> matter of starting it up. Anyone who creates programs that require from me
> more than a double click to get it running are failing in their task to
> create a good program.
>
> Any clues?
>
> --- On Wed, 14/10/09, korgpolyex800 <korgpolyex800@ yahoo.com<korgpolyex800% 40yahoo.com> >
> wrote:
>
> From: korgpolyex800 <korgpolyex800@ yahoo.com <korgpolyex800% 40yahoo.com> >
> Subject: [CZsynth] Re: sysex editor
> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups .com <CZsynth%40yahoogro ups.com>
> Date: Wednesday, 14 October, 2009, 19:59
>
>
>
> I think you should consider developing a driver for JsynthLib which is an
> open source project to provide librarian and patch editing functions for ANY
> synth that has MIDI/sysex.
>
> I designed/created/ sell the hardware/software upgrade for the Korg
> Poly-800 (www.hawk800. com) and I now have a librarian/patch editor working
> for my upgrade kit based on JsynthLib. It's not quite ready for release yet
> so it's not posted on the web site - yet.
>
> Writing the code for the driver was hard going at first because JsynthLib
> is based on Java and I had not written any Java for some years. But now that
> I've gone through the pain of that, I am enjoying adding the editing
> functions to the code. All of the slider, knobs, switches, etc that you
> would have to create in a purpose built program are already implemented as
> widgets so with JsynthLib you just have to focus on the sysex code for each
> synth. Getting basic librarian patch save/load functions is really quite
> easy.
>
> I would imagine that creating a librarian for any CZ would be relatively
> easy and the editor wouldn't be too hard after that.
>
> Since JsynthLib is Java based, it runs on any platform. That's a very nice
> thing.
>
> Mike.
>
> --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups .com, Lee Borrell <templarser@ ...> wrote:
> >
> > In theory- you can edit a CZ file with MIDI-ox but it is perhaps not the
> recommended route - I can't recall if CZ's operate a checksum - but if they
> did it means calculating it manually - and even if they do not - then
> editing individual bytes is possible - but it means referring to the byte
> map ( I have it online but the site seems to be down for some reason) - this
> is why Charles and myself have been trying to find a way to do an editor.
> >
> > There are a couple of options - use a retro emulator such as STEEM to
> mimic and old machine that has an editor.
> > Get an editor that runs on your system.
> > Write your own editor.
> >
> > Obviously the preferred one is the 2nd one - unless someone has already
> done it- then it means learning one of the PC languages such as VB or C etc
> etc.
> >
> > I guess most musos are after a plug and play option - and exe file that
> allows sysx transfer and editing - to date I have not found a viable one
> that has not got bugs. Which is why I was planning on writing my own - I
> have got as far as transferring the internal memory of a DX100 to a
> commodore machine and breaking down the CZ sysx code to begin planning a
> program - either way - that is not for the PC - I believe there was a
> program called UNISYN which Bernard was working on -not sure where that is
> at.
> >
> > I can send anyone the programs I have which are PC-based for the CZ - I
> think one is DOS based - and the other runs in windows - I have not used it
> extensively to say if it is any good. I am pretty sure I got it from the
> files section of this forum.
> >
> > --- On Wed, 14/10/09, steve_the_composer <smw-mail@.. .> wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: steve_the_composer <smw-mail@.. .>
> > Subject: [CZsynth] Re: sysex editor
> > To: CZsynth@yahoogroups .com
> > Date: Wednesday, 14 October, 2009, 2:15 AM
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > What do you want to do? If you just want to edit a sysex dump, I think
> you could use midi-ox. --Steve
> >
> > --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups .com, "baronvonbovine" <baronvonbovine@ ...>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > Does anyone have a program I can use with windows xp to edit my CZ midi
> info?
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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]Re: [CZsynth] Re: sysex editor
2009-10-26 by Lee Borrell
In the download from the site - I could not find an EXE. --- On Wed, 21/10/09, jammie <jammie.emma@...> wrote:
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From: jammie <jammie.emma@...>
Subject: Re: [CZsynth] Re: sysex editor
To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, 21 October, 2009, 20:28
jsynth is an exe file but it works under a schell program called java if you havent got java it wont work
the good thing about java is thats it a visual programming language that works under any operating system
theres lots of synth programs and editors made by people using the java language it will work on windows98 aswell as xp or mac or linux
----- Original Message -----
From: jeff bornhoeft
To: CZsynth@yahoogroups .com
Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 7:50 PM
Subject: Re: [CZsynth] Re: sysex editor
I haven't had any luck with Jsynth myself (and truthfully haven't spent much
time at all on the problem) but believe it requires java to be installed in
order to run. So, have you installed java?
On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 12:40 PM, Lee Borrell <templarser@yahoo. co.uk>wrote:
>
>
> Could you give me a clue as to how to use this thing?
>
> The docs say to tag a shortcut to Jsynth.jar - but no such file exists.
>
> Half the files are not registered - and I presume I need to install
> something else in order to run it. It is exactly because of this type of
> format that I do not use "open source" or what I call "comes in bits"
> programs.
>
> All I want is a simple EXE that runs as soon as you double click. It was
> due to Vbasic's capacity to create "comes in bits" programs that they
> failed to work when I transported them between OS or even between machines
> with the same platforms.
>
> I am guessing that Jsynth is incompatible with WIN98 and seeing as all my
> synths are tied to a 98 machine that makes things kind of awkward. Although
> I have a MIDI compatible XP machine - Jsynth doesn't seem to be just a
> matter of starting it up. Anyone who creates programs that require from me
> more than a double click to get it running are failing in their task to
> create a good program.
>
> Any clues?
>
> --- On Wed, 14/10/09, korgpolyex800 <korgpolyex800@ yahoo.com<korgpolyex800% 40yahoo.com> >
> wrote:
>
> From: korgpolyex800 <korgpolyex800@ yahoo.com <korgpolyex800% 40yahoo.com> >
> Subject: [CZsynth] Re: sysex editor
> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups .com <CZsynth%40yahoogro ups.com>
> Date: Wednesday, 14 October, 2009, 19:59
>
>
>
> I think you should consider developing a driver for JsynthLib which is an
> open source project to provide librarian and patch editing functions for ANY
> synth that has MIDI/sysex.
>
> I designed/created/ sell the hardware/software upgrade for the Korg
> Poly-800 (www.hawk800. com) and I now have a librarian/patch editor working
> for my upgrade kit based on JsynthLib. It's not quite ready for release yet
> so it's not posted on the web site - yet.
>
> Writing the code for the driver was hard going at first because JsynthLib
> is based on Java and I had not written any Java for some years. But now that
> I've gone through the pain of that, I am enjoying adding the editing
> functions to the code. All of the slider, knobs, switches, etc that you
> would have to create in a purpose built program are already implemented as
> widgets so with JsynthLib you just have to focus on the sysex code for each
> synth. Getting basic librarian patch save/load functions is really quite
> easy.
>
> I would imagine that creating a librarian for any CZ would be relatively
> easy and the editor wouldn't be too hard after that.
>
> Since JsynthLib is Java based, it runs on any platform. That's a very nice
> thing.
>
> Mike.
>
> --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups .com, Lee Borrell <templarser@ ...> wrote:
> >
> > In theory- you can edit a CZ file with MIDI-ox but it is perhaps not the
> recommended route - I can't recall if CZ's operate a checksum - but if they
> did it means calculating it manually - and even if they do not - then
> editing individual bytes is possible - but it means referring to the byte
> map ( I have it online but the site seems to be down for some reason) - this
> is why Charles and myself have been trying to find a way to do an editor.
> >
> > There are a couple of options - use a retro emulator such as STEEM to
> mimic and old machine that has an editor.
> > Get an editor that runs on your system.
> > Write your own editor.
> >
> > Obviously the preferred one is the 2nd one - unless someone has already
> done it- then it means learning one of the PC languages such as VB or C etc
> etc.
> >
> > I guess most musos are after a plug and play option - and exe file that
> allows sysx transfer and editing - to date I have not found a viable one
> that has not got bugs. Which is why I was planning on writing my own - I
> have got as far as transferring the internal memory of a DX100 to a
> commodore machine and breaking down the CZ sysx code to begin planning a
> program - either way - that is not for the PC - I believe there was a
> program called UNISYN which Bernard was working on -not sure where that is
> at.
> >
> > I can send anyone the programs I have which are PC-based for the CZ - I
> think one is DOS based - and the other runs in windows - I have not used it
> extensively to say if it is any good. I am pretty sure I got it from the
> files section of this forum.
> >
> > --- On Wed, 14/10/09, steve_the_composer <smw-mail@.. .> wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: steve_the_composer <smw-mail@.. .>
> > Subject: [CZsynth] Re: sysex editor
> > To: CZsynth@yahoogroups .com
> > Date: Wednesday, 14 October, 2009, 2:15 AM
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > What do you want to do? If you just want to edit a sysex dump, I think
> you could use midi-ox. --Steve
> >
> > --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups .com, "baronvonbovine" <baronvonbovine@ ...>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > Does anyone have a program I can use with windows xp to edit my CZ midi
> info?
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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]RE: [CZsynth] Re: sysex editor
2009-10-26 by Lee Borrell
Karl, About point 5 - MIDI ox and the post which suggested a manual dump as needed with Jsynth. I use MIDI ox to dump files on the CZ1000/101 - MIDI ox is quite capable of doing it- however it is not a simple matter of using ONE instance of MIDIox. This is how I did it: Open one instance of MIDI ox and set it's device controls so that it is only operating with MIDI OUT and does not have control of MIDI IN. Open a second instance of MIDIox and set it so that it has only control of MIDI IN. Set the instance of the program that has control of MIDI IN to catch a manual MIDI dump on SYSx. Use the instance that has control of MIDI OUT,to send the dump request from the SYSx screen. ( I have the actual bytes if anyone needs them). You should find that once the MIDI OUT midiox has sent the bytes for the dump request - the MIDI IN instance of midiox receives the manual dump as if it had been initiated from the CZ. I suspect a similar system could be used to prompt the CZ to send sysx to Jsynth or any other librarian. MIDIox is an incredibly useful program - and starts first time without any other components being needed! --- On Sun, 25/10/09, Karl H. May <kmay@...> wrote:
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From: Karl H. May <kmay@....au>
Subject: RE: [CZsynth] Re: sysex editor
To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, 25 October, 2009, 23:34
Hi All,
I have been trying without success for about 12 months to get an
editor/librarian working for my CZ101 in Windows XP or 3.1. I use 3.1
for midi sequencing on an old 486.
I mainly want a librarian because I don't mind editing sounds on the CZ
itself.
This is what I have found so far:
1. There is a freeware patch editor at ahermida@erols. com. It is called
CZSysEditor. My recollection is that it will work under XP.
2. There is a freeware editor/librarian called Soundlib at
www.sonicspot. com. It looks very good, but I haven't been able to get it
to work under either XP or 3.1. If anyone gets it to work, please post
the steps they took to get it to work.
3. There is a file called cseo2install floating around. It is an
editor/librarian. I haven't tried it. Google it.
4.I have tried the sys ex librarian in the sequencer I use, Powertracks.
It will get The CZ to dump data to it, but only 7 bytes. This is an
incomplete dump.
5. Midi Ox may not work, because I believe it requires the synth to
initiate the dump. I believe there is no facility in the CZ to initiate
a dump.
6. I have tried MidiQuest versions 4,6, and 10, and none of them work
with my CZ.
I have had dialogue with Michael Lambie at MidiQuest about it. He says
MQ seems to work with some CZ's but not others. He doesn't know why, but
wonders whether the specs were changed during the production life. He
says the CZ1 was a later synth with a more friendly sys ex
implementation. He sent me some modified drivers which I haven't tried
yet. He suspects the problem is with the delay timing, and he has sent
me some info on how to change the delay timing which I haven't tried
yet. If I get it to work, I'll post the steps. You can download a demo
of MidiQuest from their site.
If anyone gets a librarian working for the 101 under windows please post
the steps taken.
For Apple users, I believe Sound Diver works.
Cheers, Karl May
____________ _________ _________ __
From: CZsynth@yahoogroups .com [mailto:CZsynth@yahoogroups .com] On Behalf
Of steve_the_composer
Sent: Thursday, 15 October 2009 12:20 PM
To: CZsynth@yahoogroups .com
Subject: [CZsynth] Re: sysex editor
Took a quick look in the sysex manual; no checksum that I could see.
(Did I missed it?)
I used the equivalent of "debug" to mine the CZ-5000 seqeuncer memory
dump format. Obviously it is not a very high level tool, but it really
depends what someone wants to do. It was sufficient to change values,
see the results, and map the dump and internal memory structure. It even
yielded options that could not be entered through the CZ interface.
For example, it is possible to set the number of internal voices to zero
on a track-by-track basis and have the sequencer tracks play the note
data out solely through the CZ-5000 midi port.
If someone has the time and ability to write a fully developed CZ patch
editor, I'd take some time to test it.
Back to the original question: what are you wanting to do?
--Steve
--- In CZsynth@yahoogroups .com <mailto:CZsynth% 40yahoogroups. com> , Lee
Borrell <templarser@ ...> wrote:
>
> In theory- you can edit a CZ file with MIDI-ox but it is perhaps not
the recommended route - I can't recall if CZ's operate a checksum - but
if they did it means calculating it manually - and even if they do not -
then editing individual bytes is possible - but it means referring to
the byte map ( I have it online but the site seems to be down for some
reason) - this is why Charles and myself have been trying to find a way
to do an editor.
>
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