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Internal Memory Backup Battery & EZ-CZ Cartridge

2010-11-16 by Rotundo Sealeg

Hey guys.  I bet this question has been asked before... but whenever I unplug my CZ-1000 from the wall, I run the risk of all of the internal sounds I've programmed being erased, along with the pitch wheel resetting itself to super and sub-sonic range, and the instrument tuning going off.  Is there a battery I can change somewhere in this synth?!  Does anybody know where it is?  My band is going into a series of punk rock Christmas shows this December, and I would love to not worry about showing up to the show with an empty memory bank.

Also, I have a EZ-CZ memory cartridge and it will only access two of the memory banks now.  It's like that top tiny little switch isn't doing its job.  Has this happened to anybody?  Any fixes?  

Thanks in advance!

Nate




      

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Re: Internal Memory Backup Battery & EZ-CZ Cartridge

2010-11-19 by Marc Goemans LL.M

To my best knowledge you have to either replace an internal battery (if present), or put big ones in the battery compartment.
Hope this helps

Re: Internal Memory Backup Battery & EZ-CZ Cartridge

2010-11-19 by Marc Goemans LL.M

Either the little switch is broken or part of the memory is fried, unaccessible....the latter would really suck. Btw in both cases, you probably have to solder...

Re: [CZsynth] Re: Internal Memory Backup Battery & EZ-CZ Cartridge

2010-11-19 by Paul Herbig

There is no internal battery.  You have to keep batteries in the battery
compartment to hold the patches.  It's a stupid design.

I modded my cz101 to have a single 9v instead of 6 C batteries just to hold
the patches, since I never run it off batteries anyway.
-Paul

On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 11:12 PM, Marc Goemans LL.M <
beengeleiding@...> wrote:

>
>
> To my best knowledge you have to either replace an internal battery (if
> present), or put big ones in the battery compartment.
> Hope this helps
>  
>

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Re: [CZsynth] Re: Internal Memory Backup Battery & EZ-CZ Cartridge

2010-11-19 by Jing Garcia

I did the same thing with my cz101 - a 9v battery in the compartment. it works
Sent from my Globe BlackBerry.

Jing Garcia
Tech Times Editor
The Manila Times
Speed Magazine
TV5 (T.E.N.)

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the children of cathode ray (c.1989)

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From: Paul Herbig <paulherbig@...>
Sender: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2010 00:08:07 
To: <CZsynth@yahoogroups.com>
Reply-To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [CZsynth] Re: Internal Memory Backup Battery & EZ-CZ Cartridge

There is no internal battery.  You have to keep batteries in the battery
compartment to hold the patches.  It's a stupid design.

I modded my cz101 to have a single 9v instead of 6 C batteries just to hold
the patches, since I never run it off batteries anyway.
-Paul


On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 11:12 PM, Marc Goemans LL.M <
beengeleiding@...> wrote:

>
>
> To my best knowledge you have to either replace an internal battery (if
> present), or put big ones in the battery compartment.
> Hope this helps
>  
>


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Re: Internal Memory Backup Battery & EZ-CZ Cartridge

2010-11-19 by fulfil_objective

Nate,

People have mentioned the 9V mod, but my vote is for a set of rechargeable batteries. I do that with my CZ-101. It has the advantage of keeping you on, even if you get accidentally unplugged for a second. But for this option, you would have to have a battery charger.

I believe the batteries should be D size, not C as someone else stated.


--- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, Rotundo Sealeg <rotundosealeg@...> wrote:

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>
> Hey guys. I bet this question has been asked before... but whenever I unplug my CZ-1000 from the wall, I run the risk of all of the internal sounds I've programmed being erased, along with the pitch wheel resetting itself to super and sub-sonic range, and the instrument tuning going off. Is there a battery I can change somewhere in this synth?! Does anybody know where it is? My band is going into a series of punk rock Christmas shows this December, and I would love to not worry about showing up to the show with an empty memory bank.
> 
> Also, I have a EZ-CZ memory cartridge and it will only access two of the memory banks now. It's like that top tiny little switch isn't doing its job. Has this happened to anybody? Any fixes? 
> 
> Thanks in advance!
> 
> Nate
> 
> 
> 
> 
>       
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Re: Internal Memory Backup Battery & EZ-CZ Cartridge

2010-11-21 by steve_the_composer

Just a thought:

I have not used rechargeable batteries (AA/AAA) in synth gear, however, I do have some experience with them in other things. If my experience is typical, I do not recommend rechargeable batteries for two reasosns: (1) they do not last as long as conventional batteries and (2) they discharge when not in use.

I have had batteries in an unused EZ-CZ catridge that retained their charge for well over 10 years. In my experience, the energy in rechargeable batteries dissipates within weeks or months.

Steve


--- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "fulfil_objective" <robot@...> wrote:

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>
> Nate,
> 
> People have mentioned the 9V mod, but my vote is for a set of rechargeable batteries. I do that with my CZ-101. It has the advantage of keeping you on, even if you get accidentally unplugged for a second. But for this option, you would have to have a battery charger.
> 
> I believe the batteries should be D size, not C as someone else stated.
> 
> 
> --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, Rotundo Sealeg <rotundosealeg@> wrote:
> >
> > Hey guys. I bet this question has been asked before... but whenever I unplug my CZ-1000 from the wall, I run the risk of all of the internal sounds I've programmed being erased, along with the pitch wheel resetting itself to super and sub-sonic range, and the instrument tuning going off. Is there a battery I can change somewhere in this synth?! Does anybody know where it is? My band is going into a series of punk rock Christmas shows this December, and I would love to not worry about showing up to the show with an empty memory bank.
> > 
> > Also, I have a EZ-CZ memory cartridge and it will only access two of the memory banks now. It's like that top tiny little switch isn't doing its job. Has this happened to anybody? Any fixes? 
> > 
> > Thanks in advance!
> > 
> > Nate
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >       
> > 
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>

Re: Internal Memory Backup Battery & EZ-CZ Cartridge

2010-11-22 by fulfil_objective

Hi Steve,

Feel free to not use rechargeable batteries. Everybody can do whatever they want. Personally, I don't like sending buckets of single-use batteries to the waste facility, and I do like running things off batteries sometimes.

Your concerns also don't really relate to the OP's question. He just wants to make sure he doesn't lose his patches while at a gig. That could be easily accomplished by good rechargeable batteries, the 9V mod, or a couple of sets on single-use D batteries.

As for your EZ/CZ cartridge, things like that take the barest trickle of energy to keep the RAM from losing its data. In that use scenario, an alkaline battery makes sense for the reasons you stated. An even better solution for you would be to store those sounds on your PC, and not on a cartridge. Then take those batteries out of that cartridge before storing it! If you haven't had gear ruined by being stored with the batteries in it, then you've dodged a bullet.

The chemistry of rechargeables is getting better every year, it seems to me. One of the big downsides of rechargeables is their initial cost. Good ones can seem quite expensive. You have to think of rechargeables as an investment, and even then they still seem expensive.

--- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "steve_the_composer" <smw-mail@...> wrote:

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>
> Just a thought:
> 
> I have not used rechargeable batteries (AA/AAA) in synth gear, however, I do have some experience with them in other things. If my experience is typical, I do not recommend rechargeable batteries for two reasosns: (1) they do not last as long as conventional batteries and (2) they discharge when not in use.
> 
> I have had batteries in an unused EZ-CZ catridge that retained their charge for well over 10 years. In my experience, the energy in rechargeable batteries dissipates within weeks or months.
> 
> Steve
> 
> 
> --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "fulfil_objective" <robot@> wrote:
> >
> > Nate,
> > 
> > People have mentioned the 9V mod, but my vote is for a set of rechargeable batteries. I do that with my CZ-101. It has the advantage of keeping you on, even if you get accidentally unplugged for a second. But for this option, you would have to have a battery charger.
> > 
> > I believe the batteries should be D size, not C as someone else stated.
> > 
> > 
> > --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, Rotundo Sealeg <rotundosealeg@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hey guys. I bet this question has been asked before... but whenever I unplug my CZ-1000 from the wall, I run the risk of all of the internal sounds I've programmed being erased, along with the pitch wheel resetting itself to super and sub-sonic range, and the instrument tuning going off. Is there a battery I can change somewhere in this synth?! Does anybody know where it is? My band is going into a series of punk rock Christmas shows this December, and I would love to not worry about showing up to the show with an empty memory bank.
> > > 
> > > Also, I have a EZ-CZ memory cartridge and it will only access two of the memory banks now. It's like that top tiny little switch isn't doing its job. Has this happened to anybody? Any fixes? 
> > > 
> > > Thanks in advance!
> > > 
> > > Nate
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > >       
> > > 
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> >
>

Re: [CZsynth] Re: Internal Memory Backup Battery & EZ-CZ Cartridge

2010-11-22 by charlie midi gfa

has anybody ever just thought to back up the memory onto a single diskette?

heck a single 1.44 floppy can hold about 400 tones for a cz

then you never loose them


enables user to build a library of "unique " or personal voices
and
saves the earth from useless old batteries going to the dump

i have never had  batteries in my cz
and never lost the voices in the internal memory  only
 after a month of un use that the machine dispurses of meory contents
so if u can go a month  then you can still have your patches

save money , save batteries
save time , save your nice custom voices

get a patch editor ,save tones on disk

charles



----- Original Message -----
From: "fulfil_objective" <robot@...>
To: <CZsynth@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, November 22, 2010 12:42 PM
Subject: [CZsynth] Re: Internal Memory Backup Battery & EZ-CZ Cartridge


> Hi Steve,
>
> Feel free to not use rechargeable batteries. Everybody can do whatever
they want. Personally, I don't like sending buckets of single-use batteries
to the waste facility, and I do like running things off batteries sometimes.
>
> Your concerns also don't really relate to the OP's question. He just wants
to make sure he doesn't lose his patches while at a gig. That could be
easily accomplished by good rechargeable batteries, the 9V mod, or a couple
of sets on single-use D batteries.
>
> As for your EZ/CZ cartridge, things like that take the barest trickle of
energy to keep the RAM from losing its data. In that use scenario, an
alkaline battery makes sense for the reasons you stated. An even better
solution for you would be to store those sounds on your PC, and not on a
cartridge. Then take those batteries out of that cartridge before storing
it! If you haven't had gear ruined by being stored with the batteries in it,
then you've dodged a bullet.
>
> The chemistry of rechargeables is getting better every year, it seems to
me. One of the big downsides of rechargeables is their initial cost. Good
ones can seem quite expensive. You have to think of rechargeables as an
investment, and even then they still seem expensive.
>
> --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "steve_the_composer" <smw-mail@...> wrote:
> >
> > Just a thought:
> >
> > I have not used rechargeable batteries (AA/AAA) in synth gear, however,
I do have some experience with them in other things. If my experience is
typical, I do not recommend rechargeable batteries for two reasosns: (1)
they do not last as long as conventional batteries and (2) they discharge
when not in use.
> >
> > I have had batteries in an unused EZ-CZ catridge that retained their
charge for well over 10 years. In my experience, the energy in rechargeable
batteries dissipates within weeks or months.
> >
> > Steve
> >
> >
> > --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "fulfil_objective" <robot@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Nate,
> > >
> > > People have mentioned the 9V mod, but my vote is for a set of
rechargeable batteries. I do that with my CZ-101. It has the advantage of
keeping you on, even if you get accidentally unplugged for a second. But for
this option, you would have to have a battery charger.
> > >
> > > I believe the batteries should be D size, not C as someone else
stated.
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, Rotundo Sealeg <rotundosealeg@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hey guys. I bet this question has been asked before... but whenever
I unplug my CZ-1000 from the wall, I run the risk of all of the internal
sounds I've programmed being erased, along with the pitch wheel resetting
itself to super and sub-sonic range, and the instrument tuning going off. Is
there a battery I can change somewhere in this synth?! Does anybody know
where it is? My band is going into a series of punk rock Christmas shows
this December, and I would love to not worry about showing up to the show
with an empty memory bank.
> > > >
> > > > Also, I have a EZ-CZ memory cartridge and it will only access two of
the memory banks now. It's like that top tiny little switch isn't doing its
job. Has this happened to anybody? Any fixes?

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> > > >
> > > > Thanks in advance!
> > > >
> > > > Nate
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>

Re: Internal Memory Backup Battery & EZ-CZ Cartridge

2010-11-23 by steve_the_composer

Thank you for giving me permission to do whatever I want. 

In this case I was offering a thought based on my experience. I did not expect it to generate controversy, but it seems I was wrong.

I would encourage you to reread the original post like I just did. While the the author mentions "going into a series of punk rock Christmas shows this December" (not "a gig"), that fact was predicated on a more generalized concern: "whenever I unplug my CZ-1000 from the wall, I run the risk of all of the internal sounds I've programmed being erased, along with the pitch wheel resetting itself to super and sub-sonic range, and the instrument tuning going off."

Since you recommended your preference ("my vote is for a set of rechargeable batteries") sharing my experience with rechargeable batteries, clearly identifying it as my experience, and clearly articulating reasons was entirely appropriate and related to the topic.


--- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "fulfil_objective" <robot@...> wrote:

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>
> Hi Steve,
> 
> Feel free to not use rechargeable batteries. Everybody can do whatever they want. Personally, I don't like sending buckets of single-use batteries to the waste facility, and I do like running things off batteries sometimes.
> 
> Your concerns also don't really relate to the OP's question. He just wants to make sure he doesn't lose his patches while at a gig. That could be easily accomplished by good rechargeable batteries, the 9V mod, or a couple of sets on single-use D batteries.
> 
> As for your EZ/CZ cartridge, things like that take the barest trickle of energy to keep the RAM from losing its data. In that use scenario, an alkaline battery makes sense for the reasons you stated. An even better solution for you would be to store those sounds on your PC, and not on a cartridge. Then take those batteries out of that cartridge before storing it! If you haven't had gear ruined by being stored with the batteries in it, then you've dodged a bullet.
> 
> The chemistry of rechargeables is getting better every year, it seems to me. One of the big downsides of rechargeables is their initial cost. Good ones can seem quite expensive. You have to think of rechargeables as an investment, and even then they still seem expensive.
> 
> --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "steve_the_composer" <smw-mail@> wrote:
> >
> > Just a thought:
> > 
> > I have not used rechargeable batteries (AA/AAA) in synth gear, however, I do have some experience with them in other things. If my experience is typical, I do not recommend rechargeable batteries for two reasons: (1) they do not last as long as conventional batteries and (2) they discharge when not in use.
> > 
> > I have had batteries in an unused EZ-CZ catridge that retained their charge for well over 10 years. In my experience, the energy in rechargeable batteries dissipates within weeks or months.
> > 
> > Steve
> > 
> > 
> > --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "fulfil_objective" <robot@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Nate,
> > > 
> > > People have mentioned the 9V mod, but my vote is for a set of rechargeable batteries. I do that with my CZ-101. It has the advantage of keeping you on, even if you get accidentally unplugged for a second. But for this option, you would have to have a battery charger.
> > > 
> > > I believe the batteries should be D size, not C as someone else stated.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, Rotundo Sealeg <rotundosealeg@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hey guys. I bet this question has been asked before... but whenever I unplug my CZ-1000 from the wall, I run the risk of all of the internal sounds I've programmed being erased, along with the pitch wheel resetting itself to super and sub-sonic range, and the instrument tuning going off. Is there a battery I can change somewhere in this synth?! Does anybody know where it is? My band is going into a series of punk rock Christmas shows this December, and I would love to not worry about showing up to the show with an empty memory bank.
> > > > 
> > > > Also, I have a EZ-CZ memory cartridge and it will only access two of the memory banks now. It's like that top tiny little switch isn't doing its job. Has this happened to anybody? Any fixes? 
> > > > 
> > > > Thanks in advance!
> > > > 
> > > > Nate
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > >       
> > > > 
> > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

Re: [CZsynth] Re: Internal Memory Backup Battery & EZ-CZ Cartridge

2010-11-23 by Paul Herbig

Better yet, save to tape.  The loading times would be slower but you could
save a lot of patches to each cassette.

-Paul


On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 5:47 PM, charlie midi gfa <charles.copp@...
> wrote:

>
>
> has anybody ever just thought to back up the memory onto a single diskette?
>
> heck a single 1.44 floppy can hold about 400 tones for a cz
>
> then you never loose them
>
> enables user to build a library of "unique " or personal voices
> and
> saves the earth from useless old batteries going to the dump
>
> i have never had batteries in my cz
> and never lost the voices in the internal memory only
> after a month of un use that the machine dispurses of meory contents
> so if u can go a month then you can still have your patches
>
> save money , save batteries
> save time , save your nice custom voices
>
> get a patch editor ,save tones on disk
>
> charles
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "fulfil_objective" <robot@... <robot%40kasploosh.com>>
> To: <CZsynth@yahoogroups.com <CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com>>
> Sent: Monday, November 22, 2010 12:42 PM
> Subject: [CZsynth] Re: Internal Memory Backup Battery & EZ-CZ Cartridge
>
> > Hi Steve,
> >
> > Feel free to not use rechargeable batteries. Everybody can do whatever
> they want. Personally, I don't like sending buckets of single-use batteries
> to the waste facility, and I do like running things off batteries
> sometimes.
> >
> > Your concerns also don't really relate to the OP's question. He just
> wants
> to make sure he doesn't lose his patches while at a gig. That could be
> easily accomplished by good rechargeable batteries, the 9V mod, or a couple
> of sets on single-use D batteries.
> >
> > As for your EZ/CZ cartridge, things like that take the barest trickle of
> energy to keep the RAM from losing its data. In that use scenario, an
> alkaline battery makes sense for the reasons you stated. An even better
> solution for you would be to store those sounds on your PC, and not on a
> cartridge. Then take those batteries out of that cartridge before storing
> it! If you haven't had gear ruined by being stored with the batteries in
> it,
> then you've dodged a bullet.
> >
> > The chemistry of rechargeables is getting better every year, it seems to
> me. One of the big downsides of rechargeables is their initial cost. Good
> ones can seem quite expensive. You have to think of rechargeables as an
> investment, and even then they still seem expensive.
> >
> > --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com <CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com>,
> "steve_the_composer" <smw-mail@...> wrote:
> > >
> > > Just a thought:
> > >
> > > I have not used rechargeable batteries (AA/AAA) in synth gear, however,
> I do have some experience with them in other things. If my experience is
> typical, I do not recommend rechargeable batteries for two reasosns: (1)
> they do not last as long as conventional batteries and (2) they discharge
> when not in use.
> > >
> > > I have had batteries in an unused EZ-CZ catridge that retained their
> charge for well over 10 years. In my experience, the energy in rechargeable
> batteries dissipates within weeks or months.
> > >
> > > Steve
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com <CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com>,
> "fulfil_objective" <robot@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Nate,
> > > >
> > > > People have mentioned the 9V mod, but my vote is for a set of
> rechargeable batteries. I do that with my CZ-101. It has the advantage of
> keeping you on, even if you get accidentally unplugged for a second. But
> for
> this option, you would have to have a battery charger.
> > > >
> > > > I believe the batteries should be D size, not C as someone else
> stated.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com <CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com>, Rotundo
> Sealeg <rotundosealeg@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Hey guys. I bet this question has been asked before... but whenever
> I unplug my CZ-1000 from the wall, I run the risk of all of the internal
> sounds I've programmed being erased, along with the pitch wheel resetting
> itself to super and sub-sonic range, and the instrument tuning going off.
> Is
> there a battery I can change somewhere in this synth?! Does anybody know
> where it is? My band is going into a series of punk rock Christmas shows
> this December, and I would love to not worry about showing up to the show
> with an empty memory bank.
> > > > >
> > > > > Also, I have a EZ-CZ memory cartridge and it will only access two
> of
> the memory banks now. It's like that top tiny little switch isn't doing its
> job. Has this happened to anybody? Any fixes?
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks in advance!
> > > > >
> > > > > Nate
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>  
>


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RE: [CZsynth] Re: Internal Memory Backup Battery & EZ-CZ Cartridge

2010-11-23 by Karl H. May

Charlie,
 
Have you got a cz101 editor/librarian that works on a Win PC and does
bulk loads and dumps? I haven't come across anything yet that I can make
work. Any assistance will be greatly appreciated. Karl 
________________________________

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From: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com [mailto:CZsynth@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of charlie midi gfa
Sent: Tuesday, 23 November 2010 9:48 AM
To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [CZsynth] Re: Internal Memory Backup Battery & EZ-CZ
Cartridge


  

has anybody ever just thought to back up the memory onto a single
diskette?

heck a single 1.44 floppy can hold about 400 tones for a cz

then you never loose them

enables user to build a library of "unique " or personal voices
and
saves the earth from useless old batteries going to the dump

i have never had batteries in my cz
and never lost the voices in the internal memory only
after a month of un use that the machine dispurses of meory contents
so if u can go a month then you can still have your patches

save money , save batteries
save time , save your nice custom voices

get a patch editor ,save tones on disk

charles

----- Original Message -----
From: "fulfil_objective" <robot@...
<mailto:robot%40kasploosh.com> >
To: <CZsynth@yahoogroups.com <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> >
Sent: Monday, November 22, 2010 12:42 PM
Subject: [CZsynth] Re: Internal Memory Backup Battery & EZ-CZ Cartridge

> Hi Steve,
>
> Feel free to not use rechargeable batteries. Everybody can do whatever
they want. Personally, I don't like sending buckets of single-use
batteries
to the waste facility, and I do like running things off batteries
sometimes.
>
> Your concerns also don't really relate to the OP's question. He just
wants
to make sure he doesn't lose his patches while at a gig. That could be
easily accomplished by good rechargeable batteries, the 9V mod, or a
couple
of sets on single-use D batteries.
>
> As for your EZ/CZ cartridge, things like that take the barest trickle
of
energy to keep the RAM from losing its data. In that use scenario, an
alkaline battery makes sense for the reasons you stated. An even better
solution for you would be to store those sounds on your PC, and not on a
cartridge. Then take those batteries out of that cartridge before
storing
it! If you haven't had gear ruined by being stored with the batteries in
it,
then you've dodged a bullet.
>
> The chemistry of rechargeables is getting better every year, it seems
to
me. One of the big downsides of rechargeables is their initial cost.
Good
ones can seem quite expensive. You have to think of rechargeables as an
investment, and even then they still seem expensive.
>
> --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> ,
"steve_the_composer" <smw-mail@...> wrote:
> >
> > Just a thought:
> >
> > I have not used rechargeable batteries (AA/AAA) in synth gear,
however,
I do have some experience with them in other things. If my experience is
typical, I do not recommend rechargeable batteries for two reasosns: (1)
they do not last as long as conventional batteries and (2) they
discharge
when not in use.
> >
> > I have had batteries in an unused EZ-CZ catridge that retained their
charge for well over 10 years. In my experience, the energy in
rechargeable
batteries dissipates within weeks or months.
> >
> > Steve
> >
> >
> > --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> ,
"fulfil_objective" <robot@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Nate,
> > >
> > > People have mentioned the 9V mod, but my vote is for a set of
rechargeable batteries. I do that with my CZ-101. It has the advantage
of
keeping you on, even if you get accidentally unplugged for a second. But
for
this option, you would have to have a battery charger.
> > >
> > > I believe the batteries should be D size, not C as someone else
stated.
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com>
, Rotundo Sealeg <rotundosealeg@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hey guys. I bet this question has been asked before... but
whenever
I unplug my CZ-1000 from the wall, I run the risk of all of the internal
sounds I've programmed being erased, along with the pitch wheel
resetting
itself to super and sub-sonic range, and the instrument tuning going
off. Is
there a battery I can change somewhere in this synth?! Does anybody know
where it is? My band is going into a series of punk rock Christmas shows
this December, and I would love to not worry about showing up to the
show
with an empty memory bank.
> > > >
> > > > Also, I have a EZ-CZ memory cartridge and it will only access
two of
the memory banks now. It's like that top tiny little switch isn't doing
its
job. Has this happened to anybody? Any fixes?
> > > >
> > > > Thanks in advance!
> > > >
> > > > Nate
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>






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Re: [CZsynth] Re: Internal Memory Backup Battery & EZ-CZ Cartridge

2010-11-23 by charlie midi gfa

sorry carl i wrote one myaelf for my atari

and would u believe i  have never even used a pc sequencer??? 

all atari and cz ,,,
d110 ,
tx816,
 u20 ,
fz10m .....

just like those who came before intended 
before Windows cleaned house

charles

 
----- Original Message -----

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From: "Karl H. May" <kmay@...>
To: <CZsynth@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, November 22, 2010 5:09 PM
Subject: RE: [CZsynth] Re: Internal Memory Backup Battery & EZ-CZ Cartridge


> Charlie,
>  
> Have you got a cz101 editor/librarian that works on a Win PC and does
> bulk loads and dumps? I haven't come across anything yet that I can make
> work. Any assistance will be greatly appreciated. Karl 
> ________________________________
> 
> From: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com [mailto:CZsynth@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
> Of charlie midi gfa
> Sent: Tuesday, 23 November 2010 9:48 AM
> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] Re: Internal Memory Backup Battery & EZ-CZ
> Cartridge
> 
> 
>   
> 
> has anybody ever just thought to back up the memory onto a single
> diskette?
> 
> heck a single 1.44 floppy can hold about 400 tones for a cz
> 
> then you never loose them
> 
> enables user to build a library of "unique " or personal voices
> and
> saves the earth from useless old batteries going to the dump
> 
> i have never had batteries in my cz
> and never lost the voices in the internal memory only
> after a month of un use that the machine dispurses of meory contents
> so if u can go a month then you can still have your patches
> 
> save money , save batteries
> save time , save your nice custom voices
> 
> get a patch editor ,save tones on disk
> 
> charles
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "fulfil_objective" <robot@...
> <mailto:robot%40kasploosh.com> >
> To: <CZsynth@yahoogroups.com <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> >
> Sent: Monday, November 22, 2010 12:42 PM
> Subject: [CZsynth] Re: Internal Memory Backup Battery & EZ-CZ Cartridge
> 
> > Hi Steve,
> >
> > Feel free to not use rechargeable batteries. Everybody can do whatever
> they want. Personally, I don't like sending buckets of single-use
> batteries
> to the waste facility, and I do like running things off batteries
> sometimes.
> >
> > Your concerns also don't really relate to the OP's question. He just
> wants
> to make sure he doesn't lose his patches while at a gig. That could be
> easily accomplished by good rechargeable batteries, the 9V mod, or a
> couple
> of sets on single-use D batteries.
> >
> > As for your EZ/CZ cartridge, things like that take the barest trickle
> of
> energy to keep the RAM from losing its data. In that use scenario, an
> alkaline battery makes sense for the reasons you stated. An even better
> solution for you would be to store those sounds on your PC, and not on a
> cartridge. Then take those batteries out of that cartridge before
> storing
> it! If you haven't had gear ruined by being stored with the batteries in
> it,
> then you've dodged a bullet.
> >
> > The chemistry of rechargeables is getting better every year, it seems
> to
> me. One of the big downsides of rechargeables is their initial cost.
> Good
> ones can seem quite expensive. You have to think of rechargeables as an
> investment, and even then they still seem expensive.
> >
> > --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> ,
> "steve_the_composer" <smw-mail@...> wrote:
> > >
> > > Just a thought:
> > >
> > > I have not used rechargeable batteries (AA/AAA) in synth gear,
> however,
> I do have some experience with them in other things. If my experience is
> typical, I do not recommend rechargeable batteries for two reasosns: (1)
> they do not last as long as conventional batteries and (2) they
> discharge
> when not in use.
> > >
> > > I have had batteries in an unused EZ-CZ catridge that retained their
> charge for well over 10 years. In my experience, the energy in
> rechargeable
> batteries dissipates within weeks or months.
> > >
> > > Steve
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> ,
> "fulfil_objective" <robot@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Nate,
> > > >
> > > > People have mentioned the 9V mod, but my vote is for a set of
> rechargeable batteries. I do that with my CZ-101. It has the advantage
> of
> keeping you on, even if you get accidentally unplugged for a second. But
> for
> this option, you would have to have a battery charger.
> > > >
> > > > I believe the batteries should be D size, not C as someone else
> stated.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com>
> , Rotundo Sealeg <rotundosealeg@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Hey guys. I bet this question has been asked before... but
> whenever
> I unplug my CZ-1000 from the wall, I run the risk of all of the internal
> sounds I've programmed being erased, along with the pitch wheel
> resetting
> itself to super and sub-sonic range, and the instrument tuning going
> off. Is
> there a battery I can change somewhere in this synth?! Does anybody know
> where it is? My band is going into a series of punk rock Christmas shows
> this December, and I would love to not worry about showing up to the
> show
> with an empty memory bank.
> > > > >
> > > > > Also, I have a EZ-CZ memory cartridge and it will only access
> two of
> the memory banks now. It's like that top tiny little switch isn't doing
> its
> job. Has this happened to anybody? Any fixes?
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks in advance!
> > > > >
> > > > > Nate
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------
> 
> Yahoo! Groups Links
> 
> 
> 
>

RE: [CZsynth] Re: Internal Memory Backup Battery & EZ-CZ Cartridge

2010-11-23 by Karl H. May

Thanks Charlie. Regards, Karl May

________________________________

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From: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com [mailto:CZsynth@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of charlie midi gfa
Sent: Tuesday, 23 November 2010 2:10 PM
To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [CZsynth] Re: Internal Memory Backup Battery & EZ-CZ
Cartridge


  

sorry carl i wrote one myaelf for my atari

and would u believe i have never even used a pc sequencer??? 

all atari and cz ,,,
d110 ,
tx816,
u20 ,
fz10m .....

just like those who came before intended 
before Windows cleaned house

charles

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Karl H. May" <kmay@...
<mailto:kmay%40brayecragg.com.au> >
To: <CZsynth@yahoogroups.com <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> >
Sent: Monday, November 22, 2010 5:09 PM
Subject: RE: [CZsynth] Re: Internal Memory Backup Battery & EZ-CZ
Cartridge

> Charlie,
> 
> Have you got a cz101 editor/librarian that works on a Win PC and does
> bulk loads and dumps? I haven't come across anything yet that I can
make
> work. Any assistance will be greatly appreciated. Karl 
> ________________________________
> 
> From: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:CZsynth@yahoogroups.com <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> ] On
Behalf
> Of charlie midi gfa
> Sent: Tuesday, 23 November 2010 9:48 AM
> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> 
> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] Re: Internal Memory Backup Battery & EZ-CZ
> Cartridge
> 
> 
> 
> 
> has anybody ever just thought to back up the memory onto a single
> diskette?
> 
> heck a single 1.44 floppy can hold about 400 tones for a cz
> 
> then you never loose them
> 
> enables user to build a library of "unique " or personal voices
> and
> saves the earth from useless old batteries going to the dump
> 
> i have never had batteries in my cz
> and never lost the voices in the internal memory only
> after a month of un use that the machine dispurses of meory contents
> so if u can go a month then you can still have your patches
> 
> save money , save batteries
> save time , save your nice custom voices
> 
> get a patch editor ,save tones on disk
> 
> charles
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "fulfil_objective" <robot@...
<mailto:robot%40kasploosh.com> 
> <mailto:robot%40kasploosh.com> >
> To: <CZsynth@yahoogroups.com <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> >
> Sent: Monday, November 22, 2010 12:42 PM
> Subject: [CZsynth] Re: Internal Memory Backup Battery & EZ-CZ
Cartridge
> 
> > Hi Steve,
> >
> > Feel free to not use rechargeable batteries. Everybody can do
whatever
> they want. Personally, I don't like sending buckets of single-use
> batteries
> to the waste facility, and I do like running things off batteries
> sometimes.
> >
> > Your concerns also don't really relate to the OP's question. He just
> wants
> to make sure he doesn't lose his patches while at a gig. That could be
> easily accomplished by good rechargeable batteries, the 9V mod, or a
> couple
> of sets on single-use D batteries.
> >
> > As for your EZ/CZ cartridge, things like that take the barest
trickle
> of
> energy to keep the RAM from losing its data. In that use scenario, an
> alkaline battery makes sense for the reasons you stated. An even
better
> solution for you would be to store those sounds on your PC, and not on
a
> cartridge. Then take those batteries out of that cartridge before
> storing
> it! If you haven't had gear ruined by being stored with the batteries
in
> it,
> then you've dodged a bullet.
> >
> > The chemistry of rechargeables is getting better every year, it
seems
> to
> me. One of the big downsides of rechargeables is their initial cost.
> Good
> ones can seem quite expensive. You have to think of rechargeables as
an
> investment, and even then they still seem expensive.
> >
> > --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> ,
> "steve_the_composer" <smw-mail@...> wrote:
> > >
> > > Just a thought:
> > >
> > > I have not used rechargeable batteries (AA/AAA) in synth gear,
> however,
> I do have some experience with them in other things. If my experience
is
> typical, I do not recommend rechargeable batteries for two reasosns:
(1)
> they do not last as long as conventional batteries and (2) they
> discharge
> when not in use.
> > >
> > > I have had batteries in an unused EZ-CZ catridge that retained
their
> charge for well over 10 years. In my experience, the energy in
> rechargeable
> batteries dissipates within weeks or months.
> > >
> > > Steve
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> ,
> "fulfil_objective" <robot@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Nate,
> > > >
> > > > People have mentioned the 9V mod, but my vote is for a set of
> rechargeable batteries. I do that with my CZ-101. It has the advantage
> of
> keeping you on, even if you get accidentally unplugged for a second.
But
> for
> this option, you would have to have a battery charger.
> > > >
> > > > I believe the batteries should be D size, not C as someone else
> stated.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com>  <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com>
> , Rotundo Sealeg <rotundosealeg@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Hey guys. I bet this question has been asked before... but
> whenever
> I unplug my CZ-1000 from the wall, I run the risk of all of the
internal
> sounds I've programmed being erased, along with the pitch wheel
> resetting
> itself to super and sub-sonic range, and the instrument tuning going
> off. Is
> there a battery I can change somewhere in this synth?! Does anybody
know
> where it is? My band is going into a series of punk rock Christmas
shows
> this December, and I would love to not worry about showing up to the
> show
> with an empty memory bank.
> > > > >
> > > > > Also, I have a EZ-CZ memory cartridge and it will only access
> two of
> the memory banks now. It's like that top tiny little switch isn't
doing
> its
> job. Has this happened to anybody? Any fixes?
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks in advance!
> > > > >
> > > > > Nate
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------
> 
> Yahoo! Groups Links
> 
> 
> 
> 





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RE: [CZsynth] Re: Internal Memory Backup Battery & EZ-CZ Cartridge

2010-11-26 by Lee Borrell

I am looking for the same thing for the FZ1 - I've tried all the ones online I can find and nothing works.
 
I believe I am using MIDI-ox for CZ transfers- this requires two instances of MIDI-ox-  one set to send SYSx and one to receive.
The details of how to do this are at :
http://templarseries.atspace.com/cz.html under "defeating handshaking".
 Set the DEVICES on MIDIox to reflect which data is incoming/outgoing.
 
The codes to send from the SEND screen are there - and the LOAD screen should be set to "get manual dump". The SEND screen prompts the CZ to give up data - which is picked up at the manual dump screen -it can then be saved to PC.
 
If only I could do the same thing with the FZ1!!!
 
LEE

--- On Tue, 23/11/10, Karl H. May <kmay@...> wrote:

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From: Karl H. May <kmay@...>
Subject: RE: [CZsynth] Re: Internal Memory Backup Battery & EZ-CZ Cartridge
To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, 23 November, 2010, 1:09


  



Charlie,

Have you got a cz101 editor/librarian that works on a Win PC and does
bulk loads and dumps? I haven't come across anything yet that I can make
work. Any assistance will be greatly appreciated. Karl 
________________________________

From: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com [mailto:CZsynth@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of charlie midi gfa
Sent: Tuesday, 23 November 2010 9:48 AM
To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [CZsynth] Re: Internal Memory Backup Battery & EZ-CZ
Cartridge

has anybody ever just thought to back up the memory onto a single
diskette?

heck a single 1.44 floppy can hold about 400 tones for a cz

then you never loose them

enables user to build a library of "unique " or personal voices
and
saves the earth from useless old batteries going to the dump

i have never had batteries in my cz
and never lost the voices in the internal memory only
after a month of un use that the machine dispurses of meory contents
so if u can go a month then you can still have your patches

save money , save batteries
save time , save your nice custom voices

get a patch editor ,save tones on disk

charles

----- Original Message -----
From: "fulfil_objective" <robot@...
<mailto:robot%40kasploosh.com> >
To: <CZsynth@yahoogroups.com <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> >
Sent: Monday, November 22, 2010 12:42 PM
Subject: [CZsynth] Re: Internal Memory Backup Battery & EZ-CZ Cartridge

> Hi Steve,
>
> Feel free to not use rechargeable batteries. Everybody can do whatever
they want. Personally, I don't like sending buckets of single-use
batteries
to the waste facility, and I do like running things off batteries
sometimes.
>
> Your concerns also don't really relate to the OP's question. He just
wants
to make sure he doesn't lose his patches while at a gig. That could be
easily accomplished by good rechargeable batteries, the 9V mod, or a
couple
of sets on single-use D batteries.
>
> As for your EZ/CZ cartridge, things like that take the barest trickle
of
energy to keep the RAM from losing its data. In that use scenario, an
alkaline battery makes sense for the reasons you stated. An even better
solution for you would be to store those sounds on your PC, and not on a
cartridge. Then take those batteries out of that cartridge before
storing
it! If you haven't had gear ruined by being stored with the batteries in
it,
then you've dodged a bullet.
>
> The chemistry of rechargeables is getting better every year, it seems
to
me. One of the big downsides of rechargeables is their initial cost.
Good
ones can seem quite expensive. You have to think of rechargeables as an
investment, and even then they still seem expensive.
>
> --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> ,
"steve_the_composer" <smw-mail@...> wrote:
> >
> > Just a thought:
> >
> > I have not used rechargeable batteries (AA/AAA) in synth gear,
however,
I do have some experience with them in other things. If my experience is
typical, I do not recommend rechargeable batteries for two reasosns: (1)
they do not last as long as conventional batteries and (2) they
discharge
when not in use.
> >
> > I have had batteries in an unused EZ-CZ catridge that retained their
charge for well over 10 years. In my experience, the energy in
rechargeable
batteries dissipates within weeks or months.
> >
> > Steve
> >
> >
> > --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> ,
"fulfil_objective" <robot@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Nate,
> > >
> > > People have mentioned the 9V mod, but my vote is for a set of
rechargeable batteries. I do that with my CZ-101. It has the advantage
of
keeping you on, even if you get accidentally unplugged for a second. But
for
this option, you would have to have a battery charger.
> > >
> > > I believe the batteries should be D size, not C as someone else
stated.
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com>
, Rotundo Sealeg <rotundosealeg@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hey guys. I bet this question has been asked before... but
whenever
I unplug my CZ-1000 from the wall, I run the risk of all of the internal
sounds I've programmed being erased, along with the pitch wheel
resetting
itself to super and sub-sonic range, and the instrument tuning going
off. Is
there a battery I can change somewhere in this synth?! Does anybody know
where it is? My band is going into a series of punk rock Christmas shows
this December, and I would love to not worry about showing up to the
show
with an empty memory bank.
> > > >
> > > > Also, I have a EZ-CZ memory cartridge and it will only access
two of
the memory banks now. It's like that top tiny little switch isn't doing
its
job. Has this happened to anybody? Any fixes?
> > > >
> > > > Thanks in advance!
> > > >
> > > > Nate
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>

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Re: [CZsynth] Re: Internal Memory Backup Battery & EZ-CZ Cartridge

2010-11-26 by charlie midi gfa

lee do you need a pc fz1 transfer tool?
not mac just pc ?

i use one
i forgot how much your site is based upon synthesizers , its good , i like
the website you made

waait until you see my next programming project

waaiiittt !

charles

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Lee Borrell" <templarser@...>
To: <CZsynth@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, November 26, 2010 10:40 AM
Subject: RE: [CZsynth] Re: Internal Memory Backup Battery & EZ-CZ Cartridge


I am looking for the same thing for the FZ1 - I've tried all the ones online
I can find and nothing works.

I believe I am using MIDI-ox for CZ transfers- this requires two instances
of MIDI-ox- one set to send SYSx and one to receive.
The details of how to do this are at :
http://templarseries.atspace.com/cz.html under "defeating handshaking".
Set the DEVICES on MIDIox to reflect which data is incoming/outgoing.

The codes to send from the SEND screen are there - and the LOAD screen
should be set to "get manual dump". The SEND screen prompts the CZ to give
up data - which is picked up at the manual dump screen -it can then be saved
to PC.

If only I could do the same thing with the FZ1!!!

LEE

--- On Tue, 23/11/10, Karl H. May <kmay@...> wrote:


From: Karl H. May <kmay@...>
Subject: RE: [CZsynth] Re: Internal Memory Backup Battery & EZ-CZ Cartridge
To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, 23 November, 2010, 1:09






Charlie,

Have you got a cz101 editor/librarian that works on a Win PC and does
bulk loads and dumps? I haven't come across anything yet that I can make
work. Any assistance will be greatly appreciated. Karl
________________________________

From: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com [mailto:CZsynth@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of charlie midi gfa
Sent: Tuesday, 23 November 2010 9:48 AM
To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [CZsynth] Re: Internal Memory Backup Battery & EZ-CZ
Cartridge

has anybody ever just thought to back up the memory onto a single
diskette?

heck a single 1.44 floppy can hold about 400 tones for a cz

then you never loose them

enables user to build a library of "unique " or personal voices
and
saves the earth from useless old batteries going to the dump

i have never had batteries in my cz
and never lost the voices in the internal memory only
after a month of un use that the machine dispurses of meory contents
so if u can go a month then you can still have your patches

save money , save batteries
save time , save your nice custom voices

get a patch editor ,save tones on disk

charles

----- Original Message -----
From: "fulfil_objective" <robot@...
<mailto:robot%40kasploosh.com> >
To: <CZsynth@yahoogroups.com <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> >
Sent: Monday, November 22, 2010 12:42 PM
Subject: [CZsynth] Re: Internal Memory Backup Battery & EZ-CZ Cartridge

> Hi Steve,
>
> Feel free to not use rechargeable batteries. Everybody can do whatever
they want. Personally, I don't like sending buckets of single-use
batteries
to the waste facility, and I do like running things off batteries
sometimes.
>
> Your concerns also don't really relate to the OP's question. He just
wants
to make sure he doesn't lose his patches while at a gig. That could be
easily accomplished by good rechargeable batteries, the 9V mod, or a
couple
of sets on single-use D batteries.
>
> As for your EZ/CZ cartridge, things like that take the barest trickle
of
energy to keep the RAM from losing its data. In that use scenario, an
alkaline battery makes sense for the reasons you stated. An even better
solution for you would be to store those sounds on your PC, and not on a
cartridge. Then take those batteries out of that cartridge before
storing
it! If you haven't had gear ruined by being stored with the batteries in
it,
then you've dodged a bullet.
>
> The chemistry of rechargeables is getting better every year, it seems
to
me. One of the big downsides of rechargeables is their initial cost.
Good
ones can seem quite expensive. You have to think of rechargeables as an
investment, and even then they still seem expensive.
>
> --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> ,
"steve_the_composer" <smw-mail@...> wrote:
> >
> > Just a thought:
> >
> > I have not used rechargeable batteries (AA/AAA) in synth gear,
however,
I do have some experience with them in other things. If my experience is
typical, I do not recommend rechargeable batteries for two reasosns: (1)
they do not last as long as conventional batteries and (2) they
discharge
when not in use.
> >
> > I have had batteries in an unused EZ-CZ catridge that retained their
charge for well over 10 years. In my experience, the energy in
rechargeable
batteries dissipates within weeks or months.
> >
> > Steve
> >
> >
> > --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> ,
"fulfil_objective" <robot@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Nate,
> > >
> > > People have mentioned the 9V mod, but my vote is for a set of
rechargeable batteries. I do that with my CZ-101. It has the advantage
of
keeping you on, even if you get accidentally unplugged for a second. But
for
this option, you would have to have a battery charger.
> > >
> > > I believe the batteries should be D size, not C as someone else
stated.
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com>
, Rotundo Sealeg <rotundosealeg@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hey guys. I bet this question has been asked before... but
whenever
I unplug my CZ-1000 from the wall, I run the risk of all of the internal
sounds I've programmed being erased, along with the pitch wheel
resetting
itself to super and sub-sonic range, and the instrument tuning going
off. Is
there a battery I can change somewhere in this synth?! Does anybody know
where it is? My band is going into a series of punk rock Christmas shows
this December, and I would love to not worry about showing up to the
show
with an empty memory bank.
> > > >
> > > > Also, I have a EZ-CZ memory cartridge and it will only access
two of
the memory banks now. It's like that top tiny little switch isn't doing
its
job. Has this happened to anybody? Any fixes?
> > > >
> > > > Thanks in advance!
> > > >
> > > > Nate
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
>
>
>
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RE: [CZsynth] Re: Internal Memory Backup Battery & EZ-CZ Cartridge

2010-11-28 by Karl H. May

Thanks Lee.
 
If I can get Midi Ox to work I i will put up a detailed step by step
guide.
 
Regards, Karl May
________________________________

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From: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com [mailto:CZsynth@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Lee Borrell
Sent: Saturday, 27 November 2010 5:40 AM
To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [CZsynth] Re: Internal Memory Backup Battery & EZ-CZ
Cartridge


  

I am looking for the same thing for the FZ1 - I've tried all the ones
online I can find and nothing works.
 
I believe I am using MIDI-ox for CZ transfers- this requires two
instances of MIDI-ox-  one set to send SYSx and one to receive.
The details of how to do this are at :
http://templarseries.atspace.com/cz.html under "defeating handshaking".
 Set the DEVICES on MIDIox to reflect which data is incoming/outgoing.
 
The codes to send from the SEND screen are there - and the LOAD screen
should be set to "get manual dump". The SEND screen prompts the CZ to
give up data - which is picked up at the manual dump screen -it can then
be saved to PC.
 
If only I could do the same thing with the FZ1!!!
 
LEE

--- On Tue, 23/11/10, Karl H. May <kmay@...
<mailto:kmay%40brayecragg.com.au> > wrote:

From: Karl H. May <kmay@...
<mailto:kmay%40brayecragg.com.au> >
Subject: RE: [CZsynth] Re: Internal Memory Backup Battery & EZ-CZ
Cartridge
To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> 
Date: Tuesday, 23 November, 2010, 1:09

  

Charlie,

Have you got a cz101 editor/librarian that works on a Win PC and does
bulk loads and dumps? I haven't come across anything yet that I can make
work. Any assistance will be greatly appreciated. Karl 
________________________________

From: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:CZsynth@yahoogroups.com <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> ] On
Behalf
Of charlie midi gfa
Sent: Tuesday, 23 November 2010 9:48 AM
To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> 
Subject: Re: [CZsynth] Re: Internal Memory Backup Battery & EZ-CZ
Cartridge

has anybody ever just thought to back up the memory onto a single
diskette?

heck a single 1.44 floppy can hold about 400 tones for a cz

then you never loose them

enables user to build a library of "unique " or personal voices
and
saves the earth from useless old batteries going to the dump

i have never had batteries in my cz
and never lost the voices in the internal memory only
after a month of un use that the machine dispurses of meory contents
so if u can go a month then you can still have your patches

save money , save batteries
save time , save your nice custom voices

get a patch editor ,save tones on disk

charles

----- Original Message -----
From: "fulfil_objective" <robot@...
<mailto:robot%40kasploosh.com> 
<mailto:robot%40kasploosh.com> >
To: <CZsynth@yahoogroups.com <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> >
Sent: Monday, November 22, 2010 12:42 PM
Subject: [CZsynth] Re: Internal Memory Backup Battery & EZ-CZ Cartridge

> Hi Steve,
>
> Feel free to not use rechargeable batteries. Everybody can do whatever
they want. Personally, I don't like sending buckets of single-use
batteries
to the waste facility, and I do like running things off batteries
sometimes.
>
> Your concerns also don't really relate to the OP's question. He just
wants
to make sure he doesn't lose his patches while at a gig. That could be
easily accomplished by good rechargeable batteries, the 9V mod, or a
couple
of sets on single-use D batteries.
>
> As for your EZ/CZ cartridge, things like that take the barest trickle
of
energy to keep the RAM from losing its data. In that use scenario, an
alkaline battery makes sense for the reasons you stated. An even better
solution for you would be to store those sounds on your PC, and not on a
cartridge. Then take those batteries out of that cartridge before
storing
it! If you haven't had gear ruined by being stored with the batteries in
it,
then you've dodged a bullet.
>
> The chemistry of rechargeables is getting better every year, it seems
to
me. One of the big downsides of rechargeables is their initial cost.
Good
ones can seem quite expensive. You have to think of rechargeables as an
investment, and even then they still seem expensive.
>
> --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> ,
"steve_the_composer" <smw-mail@...> wrote:
> >
> > Just a thought:
> >
> > I have not used rechargeable batteries (AA/AAA) in synth gear,
however,
I do have some experience with them in other things. If my experience is
typical, I do not recommend rechargeable batteries for two reasosns: (1)
they do not last as long as conventional batteries and (2) they
discharge
when not in use.
> >
> > I have had batteries in an unused EZ-CZ catridge that retained their
charge for well over 10 years. In my experience, the energy in
rechargeable
batteries dissipates within weeks or months.
> >
> > Steve
> >
> >
> > --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> ,
"fulfil_objective" <robot@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Nate,
> > >
> > > People have mentioned the 9V mod, but my vote is for a set of
rechargeable batteries. I do that with my CZ-101. It has the advantage
of
keeping you on, even if you get accidentally unplugged for a second. But
for
this option, you would have to have a battery charger.
> > >
> > > I believe the batteries should be D size, not C as someone else
stated.
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com>
, Rotundo Sealeg <rotundosealeg@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hey guys. I bet this question has been asked before... but
whenever
I unplug my CZ-1000 from the wall, I run the risk of all of the internal
sounds I've programmed being erased, along with the pitch wheel
resetting
itself to super and sub-sonic range, and the instrument tuning going
off. Is
there a battery I can change somewhere in this synth?! Does anybody know
where it is? My band is going into a series of punk rock Christmas shows
this December, and I would love to not worry about showing up to the
show
with an empty memory bank.
> > > >
> > > > Also, I have a EZ-CZ memory cartridge and it will only access
two of
the memory banks now. It's like that top tiny little switch isn't doing
its
job. Has this happened to anybody? Any fixes?
> > > >
> > > > Thanks in advance!
> > > >
> > > > Nate
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
>
>
>
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>
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>
>
>
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Re: [CZsynth] Re: Internal Memory Backup Battery & EZ-CZ Cartridge

2010-11-29 by Lee Borrell

Yes - I had considered writing something for the Commodore since I now have a disk system - but the handshaking of blocks seems intimidating - I managed to get one file to the PC using one of the programs online - but I have since been unable to redo this - I am not sure what I did to get it to work - none of the programs seem to be easy to use. The FZ seems to have the most complex SYSx setup that I have seen - even worse than the CZ - it's own internal drive is not THAT reliable - I have on watch a CD and data transer cable for the hi speed link on ebay- but I'd prefer to get it to work with the MIDI connection.

--- On Fri, 26/11/10, charlie midi gfa <charles.copp@...> wrote:

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From: charlie midi gfa <charles.copp@...>
Subject: Re: [CZsynth] Re: Internal Memory Backup Battery & EZ-CZ Cartridge
To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, 26 November, 2010, 19:08


  



lee do you need a pc fz1 transfer tool?
not mac just pc ?

i use one
i forgot how much your site is based upon synthesizers , its good , i like
the website you made

waait until you see my next programming project

waaiiittt !

charles

----- Original Message -----
From: "Lee Borrell" <templarser@...>
To: <CZsynth@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, November 26, 2010 10:40 AM
Subject: RE: [CZsynth] Re: Internal Memory Backup Battery & EZ-CZ Cartridge

I am looking for the same thing for the FZ1 - I've tried all the ones online
I can find and nothing works.

I believe I am using MIDI-ox for CZ transfers- this requires two instances
of MIDI-ox- one set to send SYSx and one to receive.
The details of how to do this are at :
http://templarseries.atspace.com/cz.html under "defeating handshaking".
Set the DEVICES on MIDIox to reflect which data is incoming/outgoing.

The codes to send from the SEND screen are there - and the LOAD screen
should be set to "get manual dump". The SEND screen prompts the CZ to give
up data - which is picked up at the manual dump screen -it can then be saved
to PC.

If only I could do the same thing with the FZ1!!!

LEE

--- On Tue, 23/11/10, Karl H. May <kmay@...> wrote:

From: Karl H. May <kmay@brayecragg.com.au>
Subject: RE: [CZsynth] Re: Internal Memory Backup Battery & EZ-CZ Cartridge
To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, 23 November, 2010, 1:09

Charlie,

Have you got a cz101 editor/librarian that works on a Win PC and does
bulk loads and dumps? I haven't come across anything yet that I can make
work. Any assistance will be greatly appreciated. Karl
________________________________

From: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com [mailto:CZsynth@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of charlie midi gfa
Sent: Tuesday, 23 November 2010 9:48 AM
To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [CZsynth] Re: Internal Memory Backup Battery & EZ-CZ
Cartridge

has anybody ever just thought to back up the memory onto a single
diskette?

heck a single 1.44 floppy can hold about 400 tones for a cz

then you never loose them

enables user to build a library of "unique " or personal voices
and
saves the earth from useless old batteries going to the dump

i have never had batteries in my cz
and never lost the voices in the internal memory only
after a month of un use that the machine dispurses of meory contents
so if u can go a month then you can still have your patches

save money , save batteries
save time , save your nice custom voices

get a patch editor ,save tones on disk

charles

----- Original Message -----
From: "fulfil_objective" <robot@...
<mailto:robot%40kasploosh.com> >
To: <CZsynth@yahoogroups.com <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> >
Sent: Monday, November 22, 2010 12:42 PM
Subject: [CZsynth] Re: Internal Memory Backup Battery & EZ-CZ Cartridge

> Hi Steve,
>
> Feel free to not use rechargeable batteries. Everybody can do whatever
they want. Personally, I don't like sending buckets of single-use
batteries
to the waste facility, and I do like running things off batteries
sometimes.
>
> Your concerns also don't really relate to the OP's question. He just
wants
to make sure he doesn't lose his patches while at a gig. That could be
easily accomplished by good rechargeable batteries, the 9V mod, or a
couple
of sets on single-use D batteries.
>
> As for your EZ/CZ cartridge, things like that take the barest trickle
of
energy to keep the RAM from losing its data. In that use scenario, an
alkaline battery makes sense for the reasons you stated. An even better
solution for you would be to store those sounds on your PC, and not on a
cartridge. Then take those batteries out of that cartridge before
storing
it! If you haven't had gear ruined by being stored with the batteries in
it,
then you've dodged a bullet.
>
> The chemistry of rechargeables is getting better every year, it seems
to
me. One of the big downsides of rechargeables is their initial cost.
Good
ones can seem quite expensive. You have to think of rechargeables as an
investment, and even then they still seem expensive.
>
> --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> ,
"steve_the_composer" <smw-mail@...> wrote:
> >
> > Just a thought:
> >
> > I have not used rechargeable batteries (AA/AAA) in synth gear,
however,
I do have some experience with them in other things. If my experience is
typical, I do not recommend rechargeable batteries for two reasosns: (1)
they do not last as long as conventional batteries and (2) they
discharge
when not in use.
> >
> > I have had batteries in an unused EZ-CZ catridge that retained their
charge for well over 10 years. In my experience, the energy in
rechargeable
batteries dissipates within weeks or months.
> >
> > Steve
> >
> >
> > --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> ,
"fulfil_objective" <robot@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Nate,
> > >
> > > People have mentioned the 9V mod, but my vote is for a set of
rechargeable batteries. I do that with my CZ-101. It has the advantage
of
keeping you on, even if you get accidentally unplugged for a second. But
for
this option, you would have to have a battery charger.
> > >
> > > I believe the batteries should be D size, not C as someone else
stated.
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com>
, Rotundo Sealeg <rotundosealeg@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hey guys. I bet this question has been asked before... but
whenever
I unplug my CZ-1000 from the wall, I run the risk of all of the internal
sounds I've programmed being erased, along with the pitch wheel
resetting
itself to super and sub-sonic range, and the instrument tuning going
off. Is
there a battery I can change somewhere in this synth?! Does anybody know
where it is? My band is going into a series of punk rock Christmas shows
this December, and I would love to not worry about showing up to the
show
with an empty memory bank.
> > > >
> > > > Also, I have a EZ-CZ memory cartridge and it will only access
two of
the memory banks now. It's like that top tiny little switch isn't doing
its
job. Has this happened to anybody? Any fixes?
> > > >
> > > > Thanks in advance!
> > > >
> > > > Nate
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
>
>
>
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>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>

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Re: [CZsynth] Re: Internal Memory Backup Battery & EZ-CZ Cartridge

2010-11-29 by charlie midi gfa

without the handshaking  and the moveing of blocks it be an ease to program
memory is stored in block form
and handshaking is a communication protocol

i got mine to work a couple times to but never repeativily

but i will admit the fz has one of  the most unique sys ex i've seen
difficult and demanding

was there two forms of it ??????
was there ,one way communication , and handshaking?
or is this only offered in other devices?

charles

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Lee Borrell" <templarser@...>
To: <CZsynth@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, November 29, 2010 12:23 AM
Subject: Re: [CZsynth] Re: Internal Memory Backup Battery & EZ-CZ Cartridge


Yes - I had considered writing something for the Commodore since I now have
a disk system - but the handshaking of blocks seems intimidating - I managed
to get one file to the PC using one of the programs online - but I have
since been unable to redo this - I am not sure what I did to get it to
work - none of the programs seem to be easy to use. The FZ seems to have the
most complex SYSx setup that I have seen - even worse than the CZ - it's own
internal drive is not THAT reliable - I have on watch a CD and data transer
cable for the hi speed link on ebay- but I'd prefer to get it to work with
the MIDI connection.

--- On Fri, 26/11/10, charlie midi gfa <charles.copp@...> wrote:


From: charlie midi gfa <charles.copp@...>
Subject: Re: [CZsynth] Re: Internal Memory Backup Battery & EZ-CZ Cartridge
To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, 26 November, 2010, 19:08






lee do you need a pc fz1 transfer tool?
not mac just pc ?

i use one
i forgot how much your site is based upon synthesizers , its good , i like
the website you made

waait until you see my next programming project

waaiiittt !

charles

----- Original Message -----
From: "Lee Borrell" <templarser@...>
To: <CZsynth@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, November 26, 2010 10:40 AM
Subject: RE: [CZsynth] Re: Internal Memory Backup Battery & EZ-CZ Cartridge

I am looking for the same thing for the FZ1 - I've tried all the ones online
I can find and nothing works.

I believe I am using MIDI-ox for CZ transfers- this requires two instances
of MIDI-ox- one set to send SYSx and one to receive.
The details of how to do this are at :
http://templarseries.atspace.com/cz.html under "defeating handshaking".
Set the DEVICES on MIDIox to reflect which data is incoming/outgoing.

The codes to send from the SEND screen are there - and the LOAD screen
should be set to "get manual dump". The SEND screen prompts the CZ to give
up data - which is picked up at the manual dump screen -it can then be saved
to PC.

If only I could do the same thing with the FZ1!!!

LEE

--- On Tue, 23/11/10, Karl H. May <kmay@...> wrote:

From: Karl H. May <kmay@...>
Subject: RE: [CZsynth] Re: Internal Memory Backup Battery & EZ-CZ Cartridge
To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, 23 November, 2010, 1:09

Charlie,

Have you got a cz101 editor/librarian that works on a Win PC and does
bulk loads and dumps? I haven't come across anything yet that I can make
work. Any assistance will be greatly appreciated. Karl
________________________________

From: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com [mailto:CZsynth@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of charlie midi gfa
Sent: Tuesday, 23 November 2010 9:48 AM
To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [CZsynth] Re: Internal Memory Backup Battery & EZ-CZ
Cartridge

has anybody ever just thought to back up the memory onto a single
diskette?

heck a single 1.44 floppy can hold about 400 tones for a cz

then you never loose them

enables user to build a library of "unique " or personal voices
and
saves the earth from useless old batteries going to the dump

i have never had batteries in my cz
and never lost the voices in the internal memory only
after a month of un use that the machine dispurses of meory contents
so if u can go a month then you can still have your patches

save money , save batteries
save time , save your nice custom voices

get a patch editor ,save tones on disk

charles

----- Original Message -----
From: "fulfil_objective" <robot@...
<mailto:robot%40kasploosh.com> >
To: <CZsynth@yahoogroups.com <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> >
Sent: Monday, November 22, 2010 12:42 PM
Subject: [CZsynth] Re: Internal Memory Backup Battery & EZ-CZ Cartridge

> Hi Steve,
>
> Feel free to not use rechargeable batteries. Everybody can do whatever
they want. Personally, I don't like sending buckets of single-use
batteries
to the waste facility, and I do like running things off batteries
sometimes.
>
> Your concerns also don't really relate to the OP's question. He just
wants
to make sure he doesn't lose his patches while at a gig. That could be
easily accomplished by good rechargeable batteries, the 9V mod, or a
couple
of sets on single-use D batteries.
>
> As for your EZ/CZ cartridge, things like that take the barest trickle
of
energy to keep the RAM from losing its data. In that use scenario, an
alkaline battery makes sense for the reasons you stated. An even better
solution for you would be to store those sounds on your PC, and not on a
cartridge. Then take those batteries out of that cartridge before
storing
it! If you haven't had gear ruined by being stored with the batteries in
it,
then you've dodged a bullet.
>
> The chemistry of rechargeables is getting better every year, it seems
to
me. One of the big downsides of rechargeables is their initial cost.
Good
ones can seem quite expensive. You have to think of rechargeables as an
investment, and even then they still seem expensive.
>
> --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> ,
"steve_the_composer" <smw-mail@...> wrote:
> >
> > Just a thought:
> >
> > I have not used rechargeable batteries (AA/AAA) in synth gear,
however,
I do have some experience with them in other things. If my experience is
typical, I do not recommend rechargeable batteries for two reasosns: (1)
they do not last as long as conventional batteries and (2) they
discharge
when not in use.
> >
> > I have had batteries in an unused EZ-CZ catridge that retained their
charge for well over 10 years. In my experience, the energy in
rechargeable
batteries dissipates within weeks or months.
> >
> > Steve
> >
> >
> > --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> ,
"fulfil_objective" <robot@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Nate,
> > >
> > > People have mentioned the 9V mod, but my vote is for a set of
rechargeable batteries. I do that with my CZ-101. It has the advantage
of
keeping you on, even if you get accidentally unplugged for a second. But
for
this option, you would have to have a battery charger.
> > >
> > > I believe the batteries should be D size, not C as someone else
stated.
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com>
, Rotundo Sealeg <rotundosealeg@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hey guys. I bet this question has been asked before... but
whenever
I unplug my CZ-1000 from the wall, I run the risk of all of the internal
sounds I've programmed being erased, along with the pitch wheel
resetting
itself to super and sub-sonic range, and the instrument tuning going
off. Is
there a battery I can change somewhere in this synth?! Does anybody know
where it is? My band is going into a series of punk rock Christmas shows
this December, and I would love to not worry about showing up to the
show
with an empty memory bank.
> > > >
> > > > Also, I have a EZ-CZ memory cartridge and it will only access
two of
the memory banks now. It's like that top tiny little switch isn't doing
its
job. Has this happened to anybody? Any fixes?
> > > >
> > > > Thanks in advance!
> > > >
> > > > Nate
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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> > > >
> > >
> >
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Re: [CZsynth] Re: Internal Memory Backup Battery & EZ-CZ Cartridge

2010-12-01 by Lee Borrell

I do not know about two forms - although I have read on one of the FZ sites that there seemed to be more than one version of the OS so you maybe correct.
 
I have the info that bypasses the CZ handshaking - I had imagined that there was something similar for the FZ - but the handshaking of blocks seems to make that nigh impossible.

--- On Mon, 29/11/10, charlie midi gfa <charles.copp@...> wrote:

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From: charlie midi gfa <charles.copp@...>
Subject: Re: [CZsynth] Re: Internal Memory Backup Battery & EZ-CZ Cartridge
To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, 29 November, 2010, 13:03


  




without the handshaking and the moveing of blocks it be an ease to program
memory is stored in block form
and handshaking is a communication protocol

i got mine to work a couple times to but never repeativily

but i will admit the fz has one of the most unique sys ex i've seen
difficult and demanding

was there two forms of it ??????
was there ,one way communication , and handshaking?
or is this only offered in other devices?

charles

----- Original Message -----
From: "Lee Borrell" <templarser@...>
To: <CZsynth@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, November 29, 2010 12:23 AM
Subject: Re: [CZsynth] Re: Internal Memory Backup Battery & EZ-CZ Cartridge

Yes - I had considered writing something for the Commodore since I now have
a disk system - but the handshaking of blocks seems intimidating - I managed
to get one file to the PC using one of the programs online - but I have
since been unable to redo this - I am not sure what I did to get it to
work - none of the programs seem to be easy to use. The FZ seems to have the
most complex SYSx setup that I have seen - even worse than the CZ - it's own
internal drive is not THAT reliable - I have on watch a CD and data transer
cable for the hi speed link on ebay- but I'd prefer to get it to work with
the MIDI connection.

--- On Fri, 26/11/10, charlie midi gfa <charles.copp@...> wrote:

From: charlie midi gfa <charles.copp@...>
Subject: Re: [CZsynth] Re: Internal Memory Backup Battery & EZ-CZ Cartridge
To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, 26 November, 2010, 19:08

lee do you need a pc fz1 transfer tool?
not mac just pc ?

i use one
i forgot how much your site is based upon synthesizers , its good , i like
the website you made

waait until you see my next programming project

waaiiittt !

charles

----- Original Message -----
From: "Lee Borrell" <templarser@...>
To: <CZsynth@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, November 26, 2010 10:40 AM
Subject: RE: [CZsynth] Re: Internal Memory Backup Battery & EZ-CZ Cartridge

I am looking for the same thing for the FZ1 - I've tried all the ones online
I can find and nothing works.

I believe I am using MIDI-ox for CZ transfers- this requires two instances
of MIDI-ox- one set to send SYSx and one to receive.
The details of how to do this are at :
http://templarseries.atspace.com/cz.html under "defeating handshaking".
Set the DEVICES on MIDIox to reflect which data is incoming/outgoing.

The codes to send from the SEND screen are there - and the LOAD screen
should be set to "get manual dump". The SEND screen prompts the CZ to give
up data - which is picked up at the manual dump screen -it can then be saved
to PC.

If only I could do the same thing with the FZ1!!!

LEE

--- On Tue, 23/11/10, Karl H. May <kmay@...> wrote:

From: Karl H. May <kmay@brayecragg.com.au>
Subject: RE: [CZsynth] Re: Internal Memory Backup Battery & EZ-CZ Cartridge
To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, 23 November, 2010, 1:09

Charlie,

Have you got a cz101 editor/librarian that works on a Win PC and does
bulk loads and dumps? I haven't come across anything yet that I can make
work. Any assistance will be greatly appreciated. Karl
________________________________

From: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com [mailto:CZsynth@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of charlie midi gfa
Sent: Tuesday, 23 November 2010 9:48 AM
To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [CZsynth] Re: Internal Memory Backup Battery & EZ-CZ
Cartridge

has anybody ever just thought to back up the memory onto a single
diskette?

heck a single 1.44 floppy can hold about 400 tones for a cz

then you never loose them

enables user to build a library of "unique " or personal voices
and
saves the earth from useless old batteries going to the dump

i have never had batteries in my cz
and never lost the voices in the internal memory only
after a month of un use that the machine dispurses of meory contents
so if u can go a month then you can still have your patches

save money , save batteries
save time , save your nice custom voices

get a patch editor ,save tones on disk

charles

----- Original Message -----
From: "fulfil_objective" <robot@...
<mailto:robot%40kasploosh.com> >
To: <CZsynth@yahoogroups.com <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> >
Sent: Monday, November 22, 2010 12:42 PM
Subject: [CZsynth] Re: Internal Memory Backup Battery & EZ-CZ Cartridge

> Hi Steve,
>
> Feel free to not use rechargeable batteries. Everybody can do whatever
they want. Personally, I don't like sending buckets of single-use
batteries
to the waste facility, and I do like running things off batteries
sometimes.
>
> Your concerns also don't really relate to the OP's question. He just
wants
to make sure he doesn't lose his patches while at a gig. That could be
easily accomplished by good rechargeable batteries, the 9V mod, or a
couple
of sets on single-use D batteries.
>
> As for your EZ/CZ cartridge, things like that take the barest trickle
of
energy to keep the RAM from losing its data. In that use scenario, an
alkaline battery makes sense for the reasons you stated. An even better
solution for you would be to store those sounds on your PC, and not on a
cartridge. Then take those batteries out of that cartridge before
storing
it! If you haven't had gear ruined by being stored with the batteries in
it,
then you've dodged a bullet.
>
> The chemistry of rechargeables is getting better every year, it seems
to
me. One of the big downsides of rechargeables is their initial cost.
Good
ones can seem quite expensive. You have to think of rechargeables as an
investment, and even then they still seem expensive.
>
> --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> ,
"steve_the_composer" <smw-mail@...> wrote:
> >
> > Just a thought:
> >
> > I have not used rechargeable batteries (AA/AAA) in synth gear,
however,
I do have some experience with them in other things. If my experience is
typical, I do not recommend rechargeable batteries for two reasosns: (1)
they do not last as long as conventional batteries and (2) they
discharge
when not in use.
> >
> > I have had batteries in an unused EZ-CZ catridge that retained their
charge for well over 10 years. In my experience, the energy in
rechargeable
batteries dissipates within weeks or months.
> >
> > Steve
> >
> >
> > --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> ,
"fulfil_objective" <robot@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Nate,
> > >
> > > People have mentioned the 9V mod, but my vote is for a set of
rechargeable batteries. I do that with my CZ-101. It has the advantage
of
keeping you on, even if you get accidentally unplugged for a second. But
for
this option, you would have to have a battery charger.
> > >
> > > I believe the batteries should be D size, not C as someone else
stated.
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com>
, Rotundo Sealeg <rotundosealeg@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hey guys. I bet this question has been asked before... but
whenever
I unplug my CZ-1000 from the wall, I run the risk of all of the internal
sounds I've programmed being erased, along with the pitch wheel
resetting
itself to super and sub-sonic range, and the instrument tuning going
off. Is
there a battery I can change somewhere in this synth?! Does anybody know
where it is? My band is going into a series of punk rock Christmas shows
this December, and I would love to not worry about showing up to the
show
with an empty memory bank.
> > > >
> > > > Also, I have a EZ-CZ memory cartridge and it will only access
two of
the memory banks now. It's like that top tiny little switch isn't doing
its
job. Has this happened to anybody? Any fixes?
> > > >
> > > > Thanks in advance!
> > > >
> > > > Nate
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
>
>
>
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>
>
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Re: [CZsynth] Re: Internal Memory Backup Battery & EZ-CZ Cartridge

2010-12-01 by charlie midi gfa

i think they both still send handskaing data , its just bypassed and ignored
kinda like
a one sided telephone call
computer             person
hello
iwant data
request send
recive data

event ho the person side of things can respond the computer has bypassed
acknowledging it

but have been know to be wrong , i remmeber picking up data in the buffer
before most of the sys ex


how does the pc install a larger midi buffer lee , did you figure that out,
i remember you mentioned that last year sometime
 how big is a pc midi buffer?

atari only for me.

charles

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Lee Borrell" <templarser@...>
To: <CZsynth@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 2010 11:30 PM
Subject: Re: [CZsynth] Re: Internal Memory Backup Battery & EZ-CZ Cartridge


I do not know about two forms - although I have read on one of the FZ sites
that there seemed to be more than one version of the OS so you maybe
correct.

I have the info that bypasses the CZ handshaking - I had imagined that there
was something similar for the FZ - but the handshaking of blocks seems to
make that nigh impossible.

--- On Mon, 29/11/10, charlie midi gfa <charles.copp@...> wrote:


From: charlie midi gfa <charles.copp@...>
Subject: Re: [CZsynth] Re: Internal Memory Backup Battery & EZ-CZ Cartridge
To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, 29 November, 2010, 13:03







without the handshaking and the moveing of blocks it be an ease to program
memory is stored in block form
and handshaking is a communication protocol

i got mine to work a couple times to but never repeativily

but i will admit the fz has one of the most unique sys ex i've seen
difficult and demanding

was there two forms of it ??????
was there ,one way communication , and handshaking?
or is this only offered in other devices?

charles

----- Original Message -----
From: "Lee Borrell" <templarser@...>
To: <CZsynth@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, November 29, 2010 12:23 AM
Subject: Re: [CZsynth] Re: Internal Memory Backup Battery & EZ-CZ Cartridge

Yes - I had considered writing something for the Commodore since I now have
a disk system - but the handshaking of blocks seems intimidating - I managed
to get one file to the PC using one of the programs online - but I have
since been unable to redo this - I am not sure what I did to get it to
work - none of the programs seem to be easy to use. The FZ seems to have the
most complex SYSx setup that I have seen - even worse than the CZ - it's own
internal drive is not THAT reliable - I have on watch a CD and data transer
cable for the hi speed link on ebay- but I'd prefer to get it to work with
the MIDI connection.

--- On Fri, 26/11/10, charlie midi gfa <charles.copp@...> wrote:

From: charlie midi gfa <charles.copp@...>
Subject: Re: [CZsynth] Re: Internal Memory Backup Battery & EZ-CZ Cartridge
To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, 26 November, 2010, 19:08

lee do you need a pc fz1 transfer tool?
not mac just pc ?

i use one
i forgot how much your site is based upon synthesizers , its good , i like
the website you made

waait until you see my next programming project

waaiiittt !

charles

----- Original Message -----
From: "Lee Borrell" <templarser@...>
To: <CZsynth@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, November 26, 2010 10:40 AM
Subject: RE: [CZsynth] Re: Internal Memory Backup Battery & EZ-CZ Cartridge

I am looking for the same thing for the FZ1 - I've tried all the ones online
I can find and nothing works.

I believe I am using MIDI-ox for CZ transfers- this requires two instances
of MIDI-ox- one set to send SYSx and one to receive.
The details of how to do this are at :
http://templarseries.atspace.com/cz.html under "defeating handshaking".
Set the DEVICES on MIDIox to reflect which data is incoming/outgoing.

The codes to send from the SEND screen are there - and the LOAD screen
should be set to "get manual dump". The SEND screen prompts the CZ to give
up data - which is picked up at the manual dump screen -it can then be saved
to PC.

If only I could do the same thing with the FZ1!!!

LEE

--- On Tue, 23/11/10, Karl H. May <kmay@...> wrote:

From: Karl H. May <kmay@...>
Subject: RE: [CZsynth] Re: Internal Memory Backup Battery & EZ-CZ Cartridge
To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, 23 November, 2010, 1:09

Charlie,

Have you got a cz101 editor/librarian that works on a Win PC and does
bulk loads and dumps? I haven't come across anything yet that I can make
work. Any assistance will be greatly appreciated. Karl
________________________________

From: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com [mailto:CZsynth@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of charlie midi gfa
Sent: Tuesday, 23 November 2010 9:48 AM
To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [CZsynth] Re: Internal Memory Backup Battery & EZ-CZ
Cartridge

has anybody ever just thought to back up the memory onto a single
diskette?

heck a single 1.44 floppy can hold about 400 tones for a cz

then you never loose them

enables user to build a library of "unique " or personal voices
and
saves the earth from useless old batteries going to the dump

i have never had batteries in my cz
and never lost the voices in the internal memory only
after a month of un use that the machine dispurses of meory contents
so if u can go a month then you can still have your patches

save money , save batteries
save time , save your nice custom voices

get a patch editor ,save tones on disk

charles

----- Original Message -----
From: "fulfil_objective" <robot@...
<mailto:robot%40kasploosh.com> >
To: <CZsynth@yahoogroups.com <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> >
Sent: Monday, November 22, 2010 12:42 PM
Subject: [CZsynth] Re: Internal Memory Backup Battery & EZ-CZ Cartridge

> Hi Steve,
>
> Feel free to not use rechargeable batteries. Everybody can do whatever
they want. Personally, I don't like sending buckets of single-use
batteries
to the waste facility, and I do like running things off batteries
sometimes.
>
> Your concerns also don't really relate to the OP's question. He just
wants
to make sure he doesn't lose his patches while at a gig. That could be
easily accomplished by good rechargeable batteries, the 9V mod, or a
couple
of sets on single-use D batteries.
>
> As for your EZ/CZ cartridge, things like that take the barest trickle
of
energy to keep the RAM from losing its data. In that use scenario, an
alkaline battery makes sense for the reasons you stated. An even better
solution for you would be to store those sounds on your PC, and not on a
cartridge. Then take those batteries out of that cartridge before
storing
it! If you haven't had gear ruined by being stored with the batteries in
it,
then you've dodged a bullet.
>
> The chemistry of rechargeables is getting better every year, it seems
to
me. One of the big downsides of rechargeables is their initial cost.
Good
ones can seem quite expensive. You have to think of rechargeables as an
investment, and even then they still seem expensive.
>
> --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> ,
"steve_the_composer" <smw-mail@...> wrote:
> >
> > Just a thought:
> >
> > I have not used rechargeable batteries (AA/AAA) in synth gear,
however,
I do have some experience with them in other things. If my experience is
typical, I do not recommend rechargeable batteries for two reasosns: (1)
they do not last as long as conventional batteries and (2) they
discharge
when not in use.
> >
> > I have had batteries in an unused EZ-CZ catridge that retained their
charge for well over 10 years. In my experience, the energy in
rechargeable
batteries dissipates within weeks or months.
> >
> > Steve
> >
> >
> > --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> ,
"fulfil_objective" <robot@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Nate,
> > >
> > > People have mentioned the 9V mod, but my vote is for a set of
rechargeable batteries. I do that with my CZ-101. It has the advantage
of
keeping you on, even if you get accidentally unplugged for a second. But
for
this option, you would have to have a battery charger.
> > >
> > > I believe the batteries should be D size, not C as someone else
stated.
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com>
, Rotundo Sealeg <rotundosealeg@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hey guys. I bet this question has been asked before... but
whenever
I unplug my CZ-1000 from the wall, I run the risk of all of the internal
sounds I've programmed being erased, along with the pitch wheel
resetting
itself to super and sub-sonic range, and the instrument tuning going
off. Is
there a battery I can change somewhere in this synth?! Does anybody know
where it is? My band is going into a series of punk rock Christmas shows
this December, and I would love to not worry about showing up to the
show
with an empty memory bank.
> > > >
> > > > Also, I have a EZ-CZ memory cartridge and it will only access
two of
the memory banks now. It's like that top tiny little switch isn't doing
its
job. Has this happened to anybody? Any fixes?
> > > >
> > > > Thanks in advance!
> > > >
> > > > Nate
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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Re: [CZsynth] Re: Internal Memory Backup Battery & EZ-CZ Cartridge

2010-12-04 by Rotundo Sealeg

Thanks for the suggestions, everybody.  That seems like a crazy waste to keep all of those batteries in there just to hold the sounds!  Especially with the CZ1000, which takes D cell.  And since mine was bought without a battery compartment door...

--- On Fri, 11/19/10, Paul Herbig <paulherbig@...> wrote:

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From: Paul Herbig <paulherbig@...>
Subject: Re: [CZsynth] Re: Internal Memory Backup Battery & EZ-CZ Cartridge
To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, November 19, 2010, 12:08 AM


  



There is no internal battery. You have to keep batteries in the battery
compartment to hold the patches. It's a stupid design.

I modded my cz101 to have a single 9v instead of 6 C batteries just to hold
the patches, since I never run it off batteries anyway.
-Paul

On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 11:12 PM, Marc Goemans LL.M <
beengeleiding@...> wrote:

>
>
> To my best knowledge you have to either replace an internal battery (if
> present), or put big ones in the battery compartment.
> Hope this helps
> 
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Re: [CZsynth] Re: Internal Memory Backup Battery & EZ-CZ Cartridge

2010-12-05 by Lee Borrell

I cannot tell you about ATARI - I know with MIDI-oc/PC I had to increase the size of the buffers for sampler type keyboards and those with larger SYSx dumps - Yamaha DJX and Casio CTK - in MIDI ox this is under OPTIONS,configure buffers - I suspect with 8bit machines it is a matter of processor speed - since if you have the amount of memory available for the dump - as long as your machine code program can handle the data rate of MIDI (32Kbaud) then all should be well - unless you have done any on the hood processing that adds machine cycles then the processor should cope with downloading SYSx- this is another reason why I prefer 8Bit machines - its up to ME to control the code - not some other programmer who may or may not have done a good job - as with all the FZ progs - I cannot get one to work- dumps from that may take up quite a bit of RAM - not sure my 8bit machines are up to it - but since the blocks are handshook - I doubt a "one sided telephone
 call" would work - having said that - I have the "one sided telephone call" codes for CZ which do work - but they do not handshake blocks.
If only everything was as simple as DX100 - send the code from the front panel - receive it at the computer! I suspect it will be a cold day in hell before FX dumps are on my PC/computers.

--- On Wed, 1/12/10, charlie midi gfa <charles.copp@sympatico.ca> wrote:

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From: charlie midi gfa <charles.copp@...>
Subject: Re: [CZsynth] Re: Internal Memory Backup Battery & EZ-CZ Cartridge
To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, 1 December, 2010, 14:41


  



i think they both still send handskaing data , its just bypassed and ignored
kinda like
a one sided telephone call
computer person
hello
iwant data
request send
recive data

event ho the person side of things can respond the computer has bypassed
acknowledging it

but have been know to be wrong , i remmeber picking up data in the buffer
before most of the sys ex

how does the pc install a larger midi buffer lee , did you figure that out,
i remember you mentioned that last year sometime
how big is a pc midi buffer?

atari only for me.

charles

----- Original Message -----
From: "Lee Borrell" <templarser@...>
To: <CZsynth@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 2010 11:30 PM
Subject: Re: [CZsynth] Re: Internal Memory Backup Battery & EZ-CZ Cartridge

I do not know about two forms - although I have read on one of the FZ sites
that there seemed to be more than one version of the OS so you maybe
correct.

I have the info that bypasses the CZ handshaking - I had imagined that there
was something similar for the FZ - but the handshaking of blocks seems to
make that nigh impossible.

--- On Mon, 29/11/10, charlie midi gfa <charles.copp@...> wrote:

From: charlie midi gfa <charles.copp@...>
Subject: Re: [CZsynth] Re: Internal Memory Backup Battery & EZ-CZ Cartridge
To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, 29 November, 2010, 13:03

without the handshaking and the moveing of blocks it be an ease to program
memory is stored in block form
and handshaking is a communication protocol

i got mine to work a couple times to but never repeativily

but i will admit the fz has one of the most unique sys ex i've seen
difficult and demanding

was there two forms of it ??????
was there ,one way communication , and handshaking?
or is this only offered in other devices?

charles

----- Original Message -----
From: "Lee Borrell" <templarser@...>
To: <CZsynth@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, November 29, 2010 12:23 AM
Subject: Re: [CZsynth] Re: Internal Memory Backup Battery & EZ-CZ Cartridge

Yes - I had considered writing something for the Commodore since I now have
a disk system - but the handshaking of blocks seems intimidating - I managed
to get one file to the PC using one of the programs online - but I have
since been unable to redo this - I am not sure what I did to get it to
work - none of the programs seem to be easy to use. The FZ seems to have the
most complex SYSx setup that I have seen - even worse than the CZ - it's own
internal drive is not THAT reliable - I have on watch a CD and data transer
cable for the hi speed link on ebay- but I'd prefer to get it to work with
the MIDI connection.

--- On Fri, 26/11/10, charlie midi gfa <charles.copp@...> wrote:

From: charlie midi gfa <charles.copp@...>
Subject: Re: [CZsynth] Re: Internal Memory Backup Battery & EZ-CZ Cartridge
To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, 26 November, 2010, 19:08

lee do you need a pc fz1 transfer tool?
not mac just pc ?

i use one
i forgot how much your site is based upon synthesizers , its good , i like
the website you made

waait until you see my next programming project

waaiiittt !

charles

----- Original Message -----
From: "Lee Borrell" <templarser@...>
To: <CZsynth@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, November 26, 2010 10:40 AM
Subject: RE: [CZsynth] Re: Internal Memory Backup Battery & EZ-CZ Cartridge

I am looking for the same thing for the FZ1 - I've tried all the ones online
I can find and nothing works.

I believe I am using MIDI-ox for CZ transfers- this requires two instances
of MIDI-ox- one set to send SYSx and one to receive.
The details of how to do this are at :
http://templarseries.atspace.com/cz.html under "defeating handshaking".
Set the DEVICES on MIDIox to reflect which data is incoming/outgoing.

The codes to send from the SEND screen are there - and the LOAD screen
should be set to "get manual dump". The SEND screen prompts the CZ to give
up data - which is picked up at the manual dump screen -it can then be saved
to PC.

If only I could do the same thing with the FZ1!!!

LEE

--- On Tue, 23/11/10, Karl H. May <kmay@...> wrote:

From: Karl H. May <kmay@brayecragg.com.au>
Subject: RE: [CZsynth] Re: Internal Memory Backup Battery & EZ-CZ Cartridge
To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, 23 November, 2010, 1:09

Charlie,

Have you got a cz101 editor/librarian that works on a Win PC and does
bulk loads and dumps? I haven't come across anything yet that I can make
work. Any assistance will be greatly appreciated. Karl
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From: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com [mailto:CZsynth@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of charlie midi gfa
Sent: Tuesday, 23 November 2010 9:48 AM
To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [CZsynth] Re: Internal Memory Backup Battery & EZ-CZ
Cartridge

has anybody ever just thought to back up the memory onto a single
diskette?

heck a single 1.44 floppy can hold about 400 tones for a cz

then you never loose them

enables user to build a library of "unique " or personal voices
and
saves the earth from useless old batteries going to the dump

i have never had batteries in my cz
and never lost the voices in the internal memory only
after a month of un use that the machine dispurses of meory contents
so if u can go a month then you can still have your patches

save money , save batteries
save time , save your nice custom voices

get a patch editor ,save tones on disk

charles

----- Original Message -----
From: "fulfil_objective" <robot@...
<mailto:robot%40kasploosh.com> >
To: <CZsynth@yahoogroups.com <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> >
Sent: Monday, November 22, 2010 12:42 PM
Subject: [CZsynth] Re: Internal Memory Backup Battery & EZ-CZ Cartridge

> Hi Steve,
>
> Feel free to not use rechargeable batteries. Everybody can do whatever
they want. Personally, I don't like sending buckets of single-use
batteries
to the waste facility, and I do like running things off batteries
sometimes.
>
> Your concerns also don't really relate to the OP's question. He just
wants
to make sure he doesn't lose his patches while at a gig. That could be
easily accomplished by good rechargeable batteries, the 9V mod, or a
couple
of sets on single-use D batteries.
>
> As for your EZ/CZ cartridge, things like that take the barest trickle
of
energy to keep the RAM from losing its data. In that use scenario, an
alkaline battery makes sense for the reasons you stated. An even better
solution for you would be to store those sounds on your PC, and not on a
cartridge. Then take those batteries out of that cartridge before
storing
it! If you haven't had gear ruined by being stored with the batteries in
it,
then you've dodged a bullet.
>
> The chemistry of rechargeables is getting better every year, it seems
to
me. One of the big downsides of rechargeables is their initial cost.
Good
ones can seem quite expensive. You have to think of rechargeables as an
investment, and even then they still seem expensive.
>
> --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> ,
"steve_the_composer" <smw-mail@...> wrote:
> >
> > Just a thought:
> >
> > I have not used rechargeable batteries (AA/AAA) in synth gear,
however,
I do have some experience with them in other things. If my experience is
typical, I do not recommend rechargeable batteries for two reasosns: (1)
they do not last as long as conventional batteries and (2) they
discharge
when not in use.
> >
> > I have had batteries in an unused EZ-CZ catridge that retained their
charge for well over 10 years. In my experience, the energy in
rechargeable
batteries dissipates within weeks or months.
> >
> > Steve
> >
> >
> > --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> ,
"fulfil_objective" <robot@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Nate,
> > >
> > > People have mentioned the 9V mod, but my vote is for a set of
rechargeable batteries. I do that with my CZ-101. It has the advantage
of
keeping you on, even if you get accidentally unplugged for a second. But
for
this option, you would have to have a battery charger.
> > >
> > > I believe the batteries should be D size, not C as someone else
stated.
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com>
, Rotundo Sealeg <rotundosealeg@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hey guys. I bet this question has been asked before... but
whenever
I unplug my CZ-1000 from the wall, I run the risk of all of the internal
sounds I've programmed being erased, along with the pitch wheel
resetting
itself to super and sub-sonic range, and the instrument tuning going
off. Is
there a battery I can change somewhere in this synth?! Does anybody know
where it is? My band is going into a series of punk rock Christmas shows
this December, and I would love to not worry about showing up to the
show
with an empty memory bank.
> > > >
> > > > Also, I have a EZ-CZ memory cartridge and it will only access
two of
the memory banks now. It's like that top tiny little switch isn't doing
its
job. Has this happened to anybody? Any fixes?
> > > >
> > > > Thanks in advance!
> > > >
> > > > Nate
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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> > > >
> > >
> >
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