Casio CZ/ VZ/ FZ - Pro Series

Is there a way to sync the vibrato to midi clock.  Or if not, does 
any one have a relation to the rate to vibrato #4 waveform to tempo or 
ms?  I am trying to match the cz to my drum machine and it just gets
way off.  I will most likley end up just sampling the cz but it would
be nice if I could sync the vibrato.

chuck

Since you are obviously technically inclined, would you consider
recording the signal to your PC and inspecting the waveform in the
Wavelab or something like that, then calibrating Casio units to
milliseconds? You would the do the comminity a lot fo good.


Maxim


chucklarge2000 wrote:

> 
> Is there a way to sync the vibrato to midi clock.  Or if not, does
> any one have a relation to the rate to vibrato #4 waveform to tempo or
> ms?  I am trying to match the cz to my drum machine and it just gets
> way off.  I will most likley end up just sampling the cz but it would
> be nice if I could sync the vibrato.

On Fri, Sep 20, 2002 at 07:20:05PM -0000, chucklarge2000 wrote:
> Is there a way to sync the vibrato to midi clock.  Or if not, does 
> any one have a relation to the rate to vibrato #4 waveform to tempo or 

ah yes.. the hidden arpegiator in the CZ.. I remember showing that to
some people in a school I visited in england ten or so yeares ago, they
didn't beleve it was that same old synth they had hidden in the school
music classroom..

hint.. try to use the complex wav's with long evolving dcv envelopes in
solo mode + portameno.. yumm!


> ms?  I am trying to match the cz to my drum machine and it just gets
> way off.  I will most likley end up just sampling the cz but it would
> be nice if I could sync the vibrato.


I don't think there is a way to sync it, no. even if you did know the
BPM or ms ration it would be problematic to get your drum machine to
folow that accuratly. 

 
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On Fri, Sep 20, 2002 at 03:22:18PM -0400, Maxim Potekhin wrote:


> Since you are obviously technically inclined, would you consider
> recording the signal to your PC and inspecting the waveform in the
> Wavelab or something like that, then calibrating Casio units to
> milliseconds? You would the do the comminity a lot fo good.

interesting idea. Imho it should be enough to inspect speed 1 and 100,
I'm pretty sure the curve is liniar (but I'm not next to the machine)



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Eitan Shefer wrote:
> 
> On Fri, Sep 20, 2002 at 03:22:18PM -0400, Maxim Potekhin wrote:
> 
> > Since you are obviously technically inclined, would you consider
> > recording the signal to your PC and inspecting the waveform in the
> > Wavelab or something like that, then calibrating Casio units to
> > milliseconds? You would the do the comminity a lot fo good.
> 
> interesting idea. Imho it should be enough to inspect speed 1 and 100,
> I'm pretty sure the curve is liniar (but I'm not next to the machine)


I'm sure it's not. This has been discussed. The Casio units are rather
slopes of the envelope segments, so there has to be a trigonometric
function there. Even then I don't think it'll fit. So a lookup table
would be by far the best, with 100 rows. Of course we can then
use a spline or other regression to make it reasonable..

I can host such table on the site I'm currently assembling about
nice and weird machines like CZ, VZ and TG.


Maxim

>I can host such table on the site I'm currently assembling about
>nice and weird machines like CZ, VZ and TG.

ooh lovely

hope you've got a "tips and tricks" style page.  there can never be too many 
of those....

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The Ensoniq EPS samplers had LFOs that would change rates depending on 
how many notes you were playing... so a "30" rate would be slower when 
you played more keys- Impossible to make a table with. I assume the 
Processor was being taxed- and slowed down this process when more notes 
were being played.

I hope the Casios are not like this.

On Friday, September 20, 2002, at 03:03 PM, Maxim Potekhin wrote:

> Eitan Shefer wrote:
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 20, 2002 at 03:22:18PM -0400, Maxim Potekhin wrote:
>>
>>> Since you are obviously technically inclined, would you consider
>>> recording the signal to your PC and inspecting the waveform in the
>>> Wavelab or something like that, then calibrating Casio units to
>>> milliseconds? You would the do the comminity a lot fo good.
>>
>> interesting idea. Imho it should be enough to inspect speed 1 and 100,
>> I'm pretty sure the curve is liniar (but I'm not next to the machine)
>
>
> I'm sure it's not. This has been discussed. The Casio units are rather
> slopes of the envelope segments, so there has to be a trigonometric
> function there. Even then I don't think it'll fit. So a lookup table
> would be by far the best, with 100 rows. Of course we can then
> use a spline or other regression to make it reasonable..
>
> I can host such table on the site I'm currently assembling about
> nice and weird machines like CZ, VZ and TG.
>
>
> Maxim
>

So far I haven't observed such slowdowns on any Casio
machines.

xpander wrote:

> 
> The Ensoniq EPS samplers had LFOs that would change rates depending on
> how many notes you were playing... so a "30" rate would be slower when
> you played more keys- Impossible to make a table with. I assume the
> Processor was being taxed- and slowed down this process when more notes
> were being played.

Scott Nordlund wrote:
> 
> >I can host such table on the site I'm currently assembling about
> >nice and weird machines like CZ, VZ and TG.
> 
> ooh lovely
> 
> hope you've got a "tips and tricks" style page.  there can never be too many

Yeh, basically I just wrote an extended review of VZ-8m, and stayed
up last night programming a couple of patches from scratch. I'm
very impressed. So the idea is to have a few custom patches (as
opposed to the boring factory patches) and short soudnclips of
those. Once I'm up and running, I'll accept submissions should
people want to have their patches posted.

It turned out finding your way through the menus is very easy...
But predicting the result of editing a particular parameter is
not. I expected this. It's great to know that these synths have
the sound as fresh, cutting and original as anything out there
in the market.


Maxim

I've been try to refrain from jumping in on these good conversations because
I'm real busy here at work but I have to say that I've seen it on the VZ's.
You can hear it If you hit them with a bunch of CC data, this happens even
if the CC data is on a different MIDI channel than the one that the VZ is
currently assigned to.  OK there's my $.02, carry on gentlemen......

 

Jon

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So far I haven't observed such slowdowns on any Casio
machines.

 
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>The Ensoniq EPS samplers had LFOs that would change rates depending on
>how many notes you were playing... so a "30" rate would be slower when
>you played more keys- Impossible to make a table with. I assume the
>Processor was being taxed- and slowed down this process when more notes
>were being played.

Really?  I've got an EPS and I never noticed it on mine.....maybe it has to 
do with the OS version

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"Furman, Jon W." wrote:
> 
> I've been try to refrain from jumping in on these good conversations because
> I'm real busy here at work but I have to say that I've seen it on the VZ's.
> You can hear it If you hit them with a bunch of CC data, this happens even
> if the CC data is on a different MIDI channel than the one that the VZ is
> currently assigned to.  OK there's my $.02, carry on gentlemen......


Jon, thanks for your $.02 in hard currency. I think most synths would
hickup when bombraded with a massive CC stream. The worst I had
was the old release of the OS on my Prophet 600 -- modulation wheel
CC woudl really kill the guy. I replaced the chip since.

I'll try to be frugal when applying CC to my VZ.

Thanks for the info.


maxim

really and truly.

I used the LFO as a cheap Delay (LFO>>AMP)  ...makes it quite 
noticeable- easier to hear than a subtle vibrato.

synths have lots of interesting hidden "features"- some infamous 
favorites.....

the "extra" waveforms from an ESQ1 or CZ-1
"pong" game on a K2000

On Friday, September 20, 2002, at 03:28 PM, Scott Nordlund wrote:

>> The Ensoniq EPS samplers had LFOs that would change rates depending on
>> how many notes you were playing... so a "30" rate would be slower when
>> you played more keys- Impossible to make a table with. I assume the
>> Processor was being taxed- and slowed down this process when more notes
>> were being played.
>
> Really?  I've got an EPS and I never noticed it on mine.....maybe it 
> has to
> do with the OS version
>

xpander wrote:
>
> the "extra" waveforms from an ESQ1 or CZ-1
> "pong" game on a K2000

Do you know how to access the pong? Coincidentally,
I'm taking a shipment of a K2000R tonight and would
like to try it out. Maybe I'll just relegate it to this
purpose. I love pong.


As an aside note, I got some really weird sounds out of
my Chroma Polaris when applying a lot of expression
pedal CC to it (it's only Intel 80186 and coudln't cope).
In fact, I made a track out of it which I will post
on mp3.com some time.


Maxim

That's cool - Never heard that about the Polaris (only played one of 
those once my entire life)
I love anything with with a ring modulator

oh yeah, pongy...

press MASTER

press UTILITY (menu button)

hit the 5th menu button from the left (has nothing high-lit above it)

press SETUP

....ahh  70's video game on a 90's synth

On Friday, September 20, 2002, at 03:57 PM, Maxim Potekhin wrote:

> xpander wrote:
>>
>> the "extra" waveforms from an ESQ1 or CZ-1
>> "pong" game on a K2000
>
> Do you know how to access the pong? Coincidentally,
> I'm taking a shipment of a K2000R tonight and would
> like to try it out. Maybe I'll just relegate it to this
> purpose. I love pong.
>
>
> As an aside note, I got some really weird sounds out of
> my Chroma Polaris when applying a lot of expression
> pedal CC to it (it's only Intel 80186 and coudln't cope).
> In fact, I made a track out of it which I will post
> on mp3.com some time.
>
>
> Maxim
>

>As an aside note, I got some really weird sounds out of
>my Chroma Polaris when applying a lot of expression
>pedal CC to it (it's only Intel 80186 and coudln't cope).
>In fact, I made a track out of it which I will post
>on mp3.com some time.

I managed to freak out my DW-8000 once by sending it random sysex data.  It 
sets the parameters beyond their intended values, mostly not doing anything 
special, except for tuning which can result in very drastic transpositions 
and weird tunings, and the delay, which spits out all manner of crazy 
insanity death noise.

It's great making synths do what they're not supposed to.

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