Dave Smith Instruments SYNTHESIZERS

> http://bleepin.com

nice site and tunes  :)

cheers Tony

On May 16, 2005, at 6:18 PM, Julian wrote:

>
>  On Mon, 16 May 2005 05:57:51 -0000, "Dave Bryce" 
> <musicdave9@...>
>  said:
>
>  > So, I'd love to get some feedback on this - is it cool?  Not so 
> cool?
>
>  It's cool to make shirts and stuff for people to wear, particularly if
>  you have dave smith's approval.
>
>  Without approval, I'd say it's definately NOT cool for you to be 
> making
>  a profit off it.
>
>  No approval, and not making a profit? well, It's neither here or there
>  from where I'm sitting. DS may disagreee.
>
>  The thing is, this is dave's business name and trademarks you are 
> using.
>  It's another person's intellectual property. how would you feel if you
>  had a band that was popular enough to sell t-shirts on the net, and
>  someone else opened a cafepress site using your bandname and 
> song/album
>  titles, and images? then to top it off, sent you an email asking to
>  advertise their site on your web page?
>
>  > Any feedback (positive or negative) is appreciated...
>  >
>  intellectual property issues aside, I wouldn't wear one.... but that's
>  more from a not liking plain old logo-shirts or photo shirts kinda
>  thing.
>
>  I wear lots of t-shirts but I like very minimal, clean line art 
> graphics
>  kinda stuff...  if anything, I'd wear a shirt with the evolver signal
>  flow diagram (or part therof, cause the whole thing is a bit too
>  complex) and maybe DSI/evolver (front panel logo font!) in really 
> small
>  text out of the way of the image, if I absolutely had to...
>
>  oh. and I don't wear white t-shirts. ever. they stain too easy, and 
> they
>  look like arse anyway. light colours are a possibility, depending on 
> how
>  well they're done. heavy colours are best. How about something in a 
> nice
>  solid DSI evolver blue?
>
>
>
>  julian
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Hi, guys - 

Someone from another forum turned me on to a web site called CafePress.com that lets 
you make up your own swag, so I threw together a few DSI things - shirts, mugs, 
hats...you get the idea...

Actually, I did it for myself more than anything else - I wanted the baseball shirt and the 
sleeveless tee... ;^)

So, I'd love to get some feedback on this - is it cool?  Not so cool?  Should I ask Dave to 
post a link to it on the DSI web site?  Anything I can do to improve it?  Or should I just 
delete the site?

It's at http://www.cafepress.com/davesmith

Any feedback (positive or negative) is appreciated...

Thanks!

dB
DSI

"Dave Bryce" <musicdave9@...> writes:
> So, I'd love to get some feedback on this - is it cool?  Not so cool?
> Should I ask Dave to post a link to it on the DSI web site?  Anything
> I can do to improve it?  Or should I just delete the site?

The idea is definitely cool; synth geeks seem to be suckers for this sort
of thing in general (I am, certainly).

[** Warning: kibitzing follows! **]

As for the specific designs, I think the colors are nice (too many black
t-shirts around these days), but the images of the Evolver and PEK seem
a bit too, um, "concrete" is the only word that comes to mind -- I'd
feel slightly odd wearing those.  I think more abstract/graphic designs
work better for t-shirts; I guess for many synths this is the a company
logo or something (OK, that's the DS-signature, but it seems a bit on
the low-key side).

Some ideas:

  * The word "Evolver" in the wacky font which is on the E's front panel.
    It's proportioned nicely for the front of a t-shirt too, and would look
    good against a light background color.  I'd buy one of these ... :-)

  * The somewhat abstract photo of the Evolver which is the main image on
    the DSI website front-page (you know, it's tilted at a 45deg angle,
    closely cropped, with a red-orange background).

[As for a link on the DSI website, why not?  Whether or not people wanna
buy the stuff or not, I don't see why anyone would be turned off by the
possibility...]

Thanks,

-Miles
-- 
`Life is a boundless sea of bitterness'

On Mon, 16 May 2005 05:57:51 -0000, "Dave Bryce" <musicdave9@...>
said:

> So, I'd love to get some feedback on this - is it cool?  Not so cool? 

It's cool to make shirts and stuff for people to wear, particularly if
you have dave smith's approval.

Without approval, I'd say it's definately NOT cool for you to be making
a profit off it.

No approval, and not making a profit? well, It's neither here or there
from where I'm sitting. DS may disagreee.

The thing is, this is dave's business name and trademarks you are using.
It's another person's intellectual property. how would you feel if you
had a band that was popular enough to sell t-shirts on the net, and
someone else opened a cafepress site using your bandname and song/album
titles, and images? then to top it off, sent you an email asking to
advertise their site on your web page?

> Any feedback (positive or negative) is appreciated...
> 
intellectual property issues aside, I wouldn't wear one.... but that's
more from a not liking plain old logo-shirts or photo shirts kinda
thing.

I wear lots of t-shirts but I like very minimal, clean line art graphics
kinda stuff...  if anything, I'd wear a shirt with the evolver signal
flow diagram (or part therof, cause the whole thing is a bit too
complex) and maybe DSI/evolver (front panel logo font!) in really small
text out of the way of the image, if I absolutely had to... 

oh. and I don't wear white t-shirts. ever. they stain too easy, and they
look like arse anyway. light colours are a possibility, depending on how
well they're done. heavy colours are best. How about something in a nice
solid DSI evolver blue?



julian
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--- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com, "Julian" <jujulilianan@w...> wrote:

> It's cool to make shirts and stuff for people to wear, particularly if
> you have dave smith's approval.
> 
> Without approval, I'd say it's definately NOT cool for you to be making
> a profit off it

Actually, I'm just playing with the idea right now; however, the way I set the account up, 
the profits would go to Dave, not to me.

dB
DSI

Good practice for thinking about the possibilities, but not cool. Miss 
Fashion Authority speaks!

Cheap manufacture, and white isn't classy.

CafePress is great for personal projects. My friend Packrat (Keyboard's 
latest cartoon acquisition) did up a page of Packrat stuff, and I bought a 
long-sleeved shirt and a mousepad.  Light-colored graphics such as cartoons look fine 
on white, but the shirt faded and got kinda perpetually-wrinkly on the first 
wash.

Dark colored graphics just look like an unrelated blob printed on white. DSI 
swag deserves way better than the CafePress operation.

I'd like to see dark blue with a white design--maybe the PolyEvo logo and/or 
Dave's signature and maybe a row of silhouetted white keys. Hear-hear for the 
warning that simplicity is best.

Dave, I'd hold off and do it up right, or not at all.

I had great luck having my own "vanity" shirts made here:

http://www.designashirt.com

It cured my swag-lust for anyone else's logo-wear, but I'd still go for an 
Evolver shirt, for sure! You can order multiple colors and sizes in the same 
product, and supply your own art work. The shirts are good quality and there's a 
big color range in the men's t-shirts. They have a very helpful gal you can 
talk to on the phone.

You can get a couple of dozen shirts for about $200 in a bunch of colors. 
Mine used two colors of text plus a bit of art work. You could test the market 
this way.

Gimme a shout for free critiques!  :-)


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--- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com, cikira@c... wrote:
 
> Dave, I'd hold off and do it up right, or not at all.
> 
> I had great luck having my own "vanity" shirts made here:
> 
> http://www.designashirt.com
> 
> It cured my swag-lust for anyone else's logo-wear, but I'd still go for an 
> Evolver shirt, for sure! You can order multiple colors and sizes in the same 
> product, and supply your own art work. The shirts are good quality and there's a 
> big color range in the men's t-shirts. They have a very helpful gal you can 
> talk to on the phone.
> 
> You can get a couple of dozen shirts for about $200 in a bunch of colors. 
> Mine used two colors of text plus a bit of art work. You could test the market 
> this way.

Cool.  I'll check it out...

Thanks, Amanda!

dB

I'm going to have to counter the Cafe Press recommendation.  I don't 
think they do t-shirts well at ALL.  Their other merchandise is fine, 
but the t-shirts I did in the past faded substantially after a single 
washing.  They may have changed their shirt printing methodology, but I 
wouldn't risk it.

I have been working on t-shirts for some projects I am promoting, and 
VGKids (who I am not affiliated with in any way) did a great job - 
http://www.vgkids.com - and were reasonably priced.

As for a design, I would suggest something like:

FRONT:
[Pic of evolver front panel]
caption: I EVOLVE

BACK:
Signal path and/or circuit diagram
DSI logo/name
URL