Dave Smith Instruments SYNTHESIZERS

Hello everyone,

I haven't still bought the Evolver, I'm between it and Waldorf Micro 
Q. Micro Q sounds a bit digital, but still good (been listening to 
Manuel Schleis patches). I know Evolver can sound both analog and 
digital, and thus has a lot of potential for different sounds. But so 
far all the Evolver sound demos I've heard have been electro'ish 
beeps, fxs, or nasty distortion sounds (some nice basses though). But 
as I'm sure this synth has potential for trance sounds also, I would 
love to hear demos. Anyone can help me?

Think 'smooth' 'thick' and or 'lush'.... perhaps 'sweet' in a way.
Think of a long evolving pad, or (especially) a sound that could play
a melodic arpeggio for a couple of minutes without sounding harsh or
boring. Also trance sounds must usually play well alongside a couple
of other synth sounds in the mix.

In comparison, synth sounds in electro are often more 'harsh' 'punchy'
'bassy' 'riffy' 'squelchy' or used as 'stabs'.

Not a trance expert,
Graeme



--- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com, James Elliott <johans121@...> wrote:
>
> What exactly is a "trance" sound as opposed to electro? I'm not
trying to berate, I just want an understanding so I will be better
equiped to answer your question.
> 
> -Jim
> 
> jarmo06 <firewalk@...> wrote:    Hello everyone,
>  
>  I haven't still bought the Evolver, I'm between it and Waldorf Micro 
>  Q. Micro Q sounds a bit digital, but still good (been listening to 
>  Manuel Schleis patches). I know Evolver can sound both analog and 
>  digital, and thus has a lot of potential for different sounds. But so 
>  far all the Evolver sound demos I've heard have been electro'ish 
>  beeps, fxs, or nasty distortion sounds (some nice basses though). But 
>  as I'm sure this synth has potential for trance sounds also, I would 
>  love to hear demos. Anyone can help me?
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Hi

I know Jim etc have said 'Yes' and whilst this is correct, I would not say it is a perfect match; certainly not for all the classic arpeggiated string/lead sounds.  This is particularly true if you are considering one of the mono Evolvers.

I think your average Trance track relys on lots of poly and lots of super saw type waves.  A very obvious and common choice is the Access Virus.

Having said all of this, the fact that the Evolver synths are not obvious first choices will give your tracks an edge over the competition.

Let us know if you have more questions or if you make a decision..

Paul
London
www.punkdisco.co.uk

Thanks to all that have replied!

Yes, Graemes comparison between trance/electro sounds was quite 
accurate. I am considering the mono Evolver, with it you're of course 
more limited than with Poly. But it still has 4 oscillators and the 
digital ones aren't limited to standard waveforms. To answer Jims 
questions, I'm willing to program a sound as long as it takes to get 
it where I want it ;) If you would be kind enough to make a demo for 
me (others can participate too!), to get a better idea of trance 
sounds in general you could listen to this soundset for Waldorf 
MicroQ, made by Manuel Schleis:

http://www.soundwizard.de/Sounds/www.vengeance-sound.de%20-%20Q%
20Trilogy%20vol%201%20-%20Q-MicroQ%20Soundset%20by%20Manuel%20Schleis.
mp3

I'm especially interested in plucked kind of sounds (which I believe 
the analog filter can do nicely).

This must be the most intelligent/even-handed discussion of trance vs.
electro vs. analog vs. digital vs. virus etc that I've ever seen on
the net. Usually such threads turn to sh*** within 2 or 3 posts. <grin>


--- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com, "punkdISCO" <forums@...> wrote:
>
> Hi
> 
> I know Jim etc have said 'Yes' and whilst this is correct, I would
not say it is a perfect match; certainly not for all the classic
arpeggiated string/lead sounds.  This is particularly true if you are
considering one of the mono Evolvers.
> 
> I think your average Trance track relys on lots of poly and lots of
super saw type waves.  A very obvious and common choice is the Access
Virus.
> 
> Having said all of this, the fact that the Evolver synths are not
obvious first choices will give your tracks an edge over the competition.

> 
> Let us know if you have more questions or if you make a decision..
> 
> Paul
> London
> www.punkdisco.co.uk
>

> This must be the most intelligent/even-handed discussion of trance vs.
> electro vs. analog vs. digital vs. virus etc that I've ever seen on
> the net. Usually such threads turn to sh*** within 2 or 3 posts. <grin>

Thats because there is almost no point in mentioning the fact that Trance
sucks anymore as it is now so widely accepted.  Indeed, if you look up
'sucks' in a dictionary it simply states: see 'Trance'..

Only joking of course..  As we all know, every genre has it's gems.  Sure,
slightly more illusive within Trance but the gems are there..

:-)

Paul
London
www.punkdisco.co.uk

--- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com, RWKJ@... wrote:
>
> Hi,
> If the micro sounds too digital and you had a chance to check out 
the  
> evolver as well. That ought to say something.

No, I haven't had the pleasure of checking them out. Otherwise I 
probably wouldn't be asking for certain kind of sound clips, which was 
the reason I joined this group. If I end up buying the Evolver, I'll 
contribute with patches and help others when I can. But as I don't 
have the change to tweak Evolvers knobs, I would appreciate someone 
doing it for me.

The MicroQ sounds a bit too much like a softsynth (which it basically 
is). I would like something analog to bring texture to my sounds. For 
the price of Evolver, there isn't anything (even nearly) as versatile 
with analog oscillators.

Hi,
Regarding your post. I own the Polyevolver keyboard not the rackmount  
evolver. I'd be glad upload some samples using the PEK. Same voice architecture  
except 3 additional voices plus more knobs and a board. dedicated knobs and  keys 
make a difference for me. It would be best for a member with an evolver to  
upload some clips as per your request. If no one uploads a clip, I'll provide  
some. Not much of a home recordist so, without getting too technical let me 
know  what you want hear and I'll put some patches together in an attempt to 
answer  your questions.
Bob
_RWKJ@..._ (mailto:RWKJ@...)

--- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com, RWKJ@... wrote:
>
Not much of a home recordist so, without getting too technical 
let me 
> know  what you want hear and I'll put some patches together in an 
attempt to 
> answer  your questions.
> Bob

Well, I would like to hear some "lush" pads (warm, evolving, JD800 
style) and thick, rich plucked sounds. And though I'm not much into 
supersaw anymore, I would still like to hear if Evolver is cabable of 
doing it.

There's some sound examples (too much supersaws though):

http://www.soundwizard.de/Sounds/www.vengeance-sound.de%20-%20Q%
20Trilogy%20vol%202%20-%20Q-MicroQ%20Soundset%20by%20Manuel%20Schleis.
mp3

Hi,
 
You got it chief ! I'd check out your link but, its midnight my time. On it  
though.
Bob.

> Well, I would like to hear some "lush" pads (warm, evolving, JD800 
> style) and thick, rich plucked sounds. And though I'm not much into 
> supersaw anymore, I would still like to hear if Evolver is cabable of 
> doing it.

My humble Evo Pad offerings are here:

http://www.carbon111.com/evolver.html

I think they're "lush"...  :D

Best, James

Well, I would like to hear some lush pads (warm, evolving, JD800 style) and thick, rich plucked sounds. And though I m not much into supersaw anymore, I

--- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com, jontu <pakana@...> wrote:
>keep in mind that a monosynth can't do unison sounds, which are 
pretty
> common in trance.

Yeah. I'm aware of this.

> I find the Evo perhaps more psy-trance than kiksu, if you know what 
I mean.

Yes ;) Though I have been a bit misleading with my posts. I'm more 
into progressive than melodic trance. If I was strictly after 
supersaws then I wouldn't be thinking about Evolver. But as I really 
like plucked sounds, I think Evolver can do those nicely. Not raw 
electro'ish pluck sounds, but thick trancey pluck sounds (damn it's 
hard to describe a sound).


> Maybe I find some time later to record some sounds that could 
interest you.
> 
> .jon

That would be highly appreciated. The key word here is "thick", in 
contrast to raw oscillator sounds.