Dave Smith Instruments SYNTHESIZERS

http://www.synthmusic.info/ under "music" under "2003" you will 
find a track called "Evolving Sequence".

The little tune is build out of five Evolver tracks.

Isn't this machine awsome?

Boele

Just listened to it.  Outstanding!  Thanks!


Ski
www.ex5tech.com
EX5Tech Evolver forum:
http://www.ex5tech.com/ex5ubb_cgi/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=forum&f=23


--- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com, "Boele Gerkes" <scd@s...> wrote:

> http://www.synthmusic.info/ under "music" under "2003" you will 
> find a track called "Evolving Sequence".
> 
> The little tune is build out of five Evolver tracks.
> 
> Isn't this machine awsome?
> 
> Boele

--- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com, "Boele Gerkes" <scd@s...> wrote:
> http://www.synthmusic.info/ under "music" under "2003" you will 
> find a track called "Evolving Sequence".
> 
> The little tune is build out of five Evolver tracks.
> 
> Isn't this machine awsome?
> 

Your track is awesome! Takes a skilled musician to bring out the best 
from a machine.

- BillB

yepp you know your evolver:)
you played some sounds over midi right(on a
keyboard)??
that phaser "Smallstone Phaser" is that the sound of
J.M.J on eqonox??(on the cr-78..or what it is..someone
of the old toysounding machines anyway:-)??
trying to find a phaser that sounds "sweet" on my
tr-606...had a moogfooger for a while but that was
more suited for synthsounds(or guitars)..it sounded
better on bass freqs.
peace out:)
peter 

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on 08-04-2003 03:13, peter sedin at midihooker@... wrote:

Thanks for the nice comments all!

> yepp you know your evolver:)

Hehehe, that is not so hard.

> you played some sounds over midi right(on a
> keyboard)??

Yes, I used arps for the sequences and the "leadline" is also played with a
keyboard.
 
> that phaser "Smallstone Phaser" is that the sound of
> J.M.J on eqonox??(on the cr-78..or what it is..someone
> of the old toysounding machines anyway:-)??

Yes. Every lushy sound you hear on Oxygene and Enquinox is going through a
Smallstone :-) Even the Minipops drummachine.
Jarre's technician, Michael Geiss, invented that trick with the phaser. He
took a signal (for instance a stringsound), leaded it into the phaser, the
he splitted the output signal of the phaser into two paths. One went
directly into the mixer, panned fully left, the other went through a delay
(completely wet!, about 0,5 to 1 second delay) into the mixer, panned fully
right. This gives is very nice swirly filtersweep effect. You should try it.
But first buy a Smallstone. The sound of that phaser is too unique to
emulate. :-))

> trying to find a phaser that sounds "sweet" on my
> tr-606...had a moogfooger for a while but that was
> more suited for synthsounds(or guitars)..it sounded
> better on bass freqs.

As so many times, it is really a matter of experimenting.

Regards,Boele

--- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com, "Boele Gerkes" <scd@s...> wrote:
> http://www.synthmusic.info/ under "music" under "2003" you will 
> find a track called "Evolving Sequence".
> 
> The little tune is build out of five Evolver tracks.
> 
> Isn't this machine awsome?
> 
> Boele

Great track once again Boele, keep it up and you will have to sell 
that Q+ and buy 4 more evolvers so you can sequence 5 tracks live :)

Just curious the Smallstone Phaser you were referring to, did you 
use that on this track, and do you have it hooked in line with the 
Evolver outs or how do you run thru it.

I really need to work on my website so I can put some of my stuff up 
as i havent put anything up for a while now.

Thanks,
Don

No I have that Phaser as an Effect hanging on the mixingdesk. And I use
two dedicated channels on the mixer to achieve the Jarre-trick (see the
other mail). I use the smallstone a lot, not always very obvious, but it
can bring just that little more organic sound into a mix. In this
particular case I did NOT use it though :-)

:-) Boele 
 
One more question before I go to bed, (just got off of work and it is
3:30am here but I only have 2 more days of work and then I'm off for 7
days of music making, yay) any other cool tricks like this you have up
your sleeve you'd be willing to share ?
 
Don

--- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com, scd <scd@s...> wrote:
> Well, as far as using delays concerned: NEVER sync delays to midi 
clock. I
> always make delay-settings with my ears, and they always end up 
JUST a
> little different from the midiclock. It brings way more liveness 
in a sound
> when the delays drift a little away from the tempo.

And to add to this.... have the delay time different between the 
left and right channels. Makes sequences sound more complex and 
interesting. 

Also, use a highpass filter on the delay effect so that the bass 
does not get too muddy. 

Use light amounts of reverb (so that you can't really hear it as 
reverb) to thicken up a sound or even an entire mix.

Well how about that... another EX5 owner with an Evolver too!  :)  
What's up, Sayer?

Good suggestions regarding the sequences and delays, of course.  So 
when are you going to whip out some great tracks using the Evolver, 
Sayer?  I remember you being quite capable of putting together some 
great electronic music.  BTW, if you make some Evolver 
patches/sequences be sure to post them for the User Forum Sounds set 
(details in the forum thread at EX5Tech).

Way OT here, but what do you think of your new OB12, especially 
compared to your Virus and your AN1x?


Ski
www.ex5tech.com
EX5Tech Evolver forum:
http://www.ex5tech.com/ex5ubb_cgi/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=forum&f=23


--- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com, "Sayer" <Sayer@S...> wrote:

> --- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com, scd <scd@s...> wrote:
> > Well, as far as using delays concerned: NEVER sync delays to midi 
> clock. I
> > always make delay-settings with my ears, and they always end up 
> JUST a
> > little different from the midiclock. It brings way more liveness 
> in a sound
> > when the delays drift a little away from the tempo.
> 
> And to add to this.... have the delay time different between the 
> left and right channels. Makes sequences sound more complex and 
> interesting. 
> 
> Also, use a highpass filter on the delay effect so that the bass 
> does not get too muddy. 
> 
> Use light amounts of reverb (so that you can't really hear it as 
> reverb) to thicken up a sound or even an entire mix.

--- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com, "ski_ex5tech" <ex5tech@e...> 
wrote:
> Well how about that... another EX5 owner with an Evolver too!  :)  
> What's up, Sayer?

Hey Ski! Great to see you!!  :-)
 
> Good suggestions regarding the sequences and delays, of course.  So 
> when are you going to whip out some great tracks using the Evolver, 
> Sayer?  I remember you being quite capable of putting together some 
> great electronic music.  BTW, if you make some Evolver 
> patches/sequences be sure to post them for the User Forum Sounds 
set 
> (details in the forum thread at EX5Tech).

Actually..... I'm really lurking here having not purchased the 
Evolver yet! Boele almost has me convinced to buy one.... Too bad he 
didn't have it yet when I visited him in the Netherlands last month!
 
> Way OT here, but what do you think of your new OB12, especially 
> compared to your Virus and your AN1x?

The OB-12 is very different sounding than the AN1x or Virus. It has a 
more relaxed sound with a rather unique character. The interface is 
absolutely wonderful. I used it to control the MKS-80 (rack version 
of Roland Juptier) with great results. 

The OB12 is one of the casualties of my current studio reconfigure, 
along with the Quasimidi 309, FutureRetro 777, JP-8080 (most likely), 
and several others. I'm hoping to trade one of those for a Nord Rack 
2 and sell the rest. Then I will also have room and money for an 
Evolver!  ;-)

Well... that's the plan anyway. 

Once I do get the Evlover I'll be sure to create and share some 
patches, although they won't match up to what Boele and Stephan are 
doing!

The EX5R will be with me forever though!

Sayer

Sayer, you don't have an Evolver yet?  I thought I saw a picture of 
one in your studio!?

Have you downloaded and listened to all the "Evolver Demo Loops" I 
posted at AMPFEA/Samplelibrary?  Those may help you in your decision.

So you're selling the OB12?  Are you selling the AN1x too?  
Hmmmmm...  Oh no!  I feel another fit of gear lust coming on...


Ski
www.ex5tech.com
EX5Tech Evolver forum:
http://www.ex5tech.com/ex5ubb_cgi/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=forum&f=23


--- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com, "Sayer" <Sayer@S...> wrote:
> --- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com, "ski_ex5tech" <ex5tech@e...> 
> wrote:
> > Well how about that... another EX5 owner with an Evolver 
too!  :)  
> > What's up, Sayer?
> 
> Hey Ski! Great to see you!!  :-)
>  
> > Good suggestions regarding the sequences and delays, of course.  
So 
> > when are you going to whip out some great tracks using the 
Evolver, 
> > Sayer?  I remember you being quite capable of putting together 
some 
> > great electronic music.  BTW, if you make some Evolver 
> > patches/sequences be sure to post them for the User Forum Sounds 
> set 
> > (details in the forum thread at EX5Tech).
> 
> Actually..... I'm really lurking here having not purchased the 
> Evolver yet! Boele almost has me convinced to buy one.... Too bad 
he 
> didn't have it yet when I visited him in the Netherlands last month!
>  
> > Way OT here, but what do you think of your new OB12, especially 
> > compared to your Virus and your AN1x?
> 
> The OB-12 is very different sounding than the AN1x or Virus. It has 
a 
> more relaxed sound with a rather unique character. The interface is 
> absolutely wonderful. I used it to control the MKS-80 (rack version 
> of Roland Juptier) with great results. 
> 
> The OB12 is one of the casualties of my current studio reconfigure, 
> along with the Quasimidi 309, FutureRetro 777, JP-8080 (most 
likely), 
> and several others. I'm hoping to trade one of those for a Nord 
Rack 

> 2 and sell the rest. Then I will also have room and money for an 
> Evolver!  ;-)
> 
> Well... that's the plan anyway. 
> 
> Once I do get the Evlover I'll be sure to create and share some 
> patches, although they won't match up to what Boele and Stephan are 
> doing!
> 
> The EX5R will be with me forever though!
> 
> Sayer

WRT to pic of the Evolver in your studio... My bad.  That was your 
Nova.  I must have been blinded by the blue and the knobs!


Ski
www.ex5tech.com
EX5Tech Evolver forum:
http://www.ex5tech.com/ex5ubb_cgi/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=forum&f=23


--- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com, "ski_ex5tech" <ex5tech@e...> 
wrote:
> Sayer, you don't have an Evolver yet?  I thought I saw a picture of 
> one in your studio!?
> 
> Have you downloaded and listened to all the "Evolver Demo Loops" I 
> posted at AMPFEA/Samplelibrary?  Those may help you in your 
decision.
> 
> So you're selling the OB12?  Are you selling the AN1x too?  
> Hmmmmm...  Oh no!  I feel another fit of gear lust coming on...
> 
> 
> Ski
> www.ex5tech.com
> EX5Tech Evolver forum:
> http://www.ex5tech.com/ex5ubb_cgi/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=forum&f=23
> 
> 
> --- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com, "Sayer" <Sayer@S...> wrote:
> > --- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com, "ski_ex5tech" <ex5tech@e...> 
> > wrote:
> > > Well how about that... another EX5 owner with an Evolver 
> too!  :)  
> > > What's up, Sayer?
> > 
> > Hey Ski! Great to see you!!  :-)
> >  
> > > Good suggestions regarding the sequences and delays, of 
course.  
> So 
> > > when are you going to whip out some great tracks using the 
> Evolver, 
> > > Sayer?  I remember you being quite capable of putting together 
> some 
> > > great electronic music.  BTW, if you make some Evolver 
> > > patches/sequences be sure to post them for the User Forum 
Sounds 
> > set 
> > > (details in the forum thread at EX5Tech).
> > 
> > Actually..... I'm really lurking here having not purchased the 
> > Evolver yet! Boele almost has me convinced to buy one.... Too bad 
> he 
> > didn't have it yet when I visited him in the Netherlands last 
month!
> >  
> > > Way OT here, but what do you think of your new OB12, especially 
> > > compared to your Virus and your AN1x?
> > 
> > The OB-12 is very different sounding than the AN1x or Virus. It 
has 
> a 
> > more relaxed sound with a rather unique character. The interface 
is 
> > absolutely wonderful. I used it to control the MKS-80 (rack 
version 
> > of Roland Juptier) with great results. 
> > 
> > The OB12 is one of the casualties of my current studio 
reconfigure, 
> > along with the Quasimidi 309, FutureRetro 777, JP-8080 (most 
> likely), 
> > and several others. I'm hoping to trade one of those for a Nord 
> Rack 
> > 2 and sell the rest. Then I will also have room and money for an 
> > Evolver!  ;-)
> > 
> > Well... that's the plan anyway. 
> > 
> > Once I do get the Evlover I'll be sure to create and share some 
> > patches, although they won't match up to what Boele and Stephan 
are 

> > doing!
> > 
> > The EX5R will be with me forever though!
> > 
> > Sayer

--- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com, "ski_ex5tech" <ex5tech@e...> 
wrote:
> Sayer, you don't have an Evolver yet?  I thought I saw a picture of 
> one in your studio!?

No... At least I didn't know it was there! I'll check when I get home 
just in cast though! :)

I have my eye on one for sure.... 

> Have you downloaded and listened to all the "Evolver Demo Loops" I 
> posted at AMPFEA/Samplelibrary?  Those may help you in your 
decision.

No, had not heard about this. There is an Evolver section there? I 
will check it out right away. 
 
> So you're selling the OB12?  Are you selling the AN1x too?  
Not sure about the AN1x... I haven't used it in a very long time, so 
I probably would not miss it. Hadn't really thought of selling that 
one actually, but it may be a good idea.  

> Hmmmmm...  Oh no!  I feel another fit of gear lust coming on...

LOL! I know that feeling all too well. 

BTW.... where can the Evolver be bought at the lowest price? I've 
seen them at NovaMusik for $469. 

Sayer

--- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com, "ski_ex5tech" <ex5tech@e...> 
wrote:
> WRT to pic of the Evolver in your studio... My bad.  That was your 
> Nova.  I must have been blinded by the blue and the knobs!

LOL! Damn.... I thought I was in for a surpise when I got home!!!! ;-)

Actually, here is a currnet stdio pic:
http://www.sayersweb.com/studio/images/nonlink/2003-03-06-studio11.jpg

The MachineDrum and XTk are recent additions. 

Sayer

Details and links for the "Demo Loops" can be found at EX5Tech in the 
thread titled "DSI Evolver Demo Loops - Now available at 
Samplelibrary" here:

http://www.ex5tech.com/ex5ubb_cgi/ultimatebb.cgi?
ubb=get_topic&f=4&t=000444

(Note:  As usual, if your email client or the Yahoo group splits the 
link above onto two lines, you may need to copy/paste the link into 
your browser address bar.)

If you have the bandwidth and disk space, I *highly* recommend 
getting the .WAV versions, rather than the mp3's, for the reasons 
stated in the forum thread.

WRT price... I haven't seen anything lower than $469.  For only $30 
difference, I'd probably be inclined to order direct from Dave, 
anyway.


Ski
www.ex5tech.com
EX5Tech Evolver forum:
http://www.ex5tech.com/ex5ubb_cgi/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=forum&f=23


--- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com, "Sayer" <Sayer@S...> wrote:
> --- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com, "ski_ex5tech" <ex5tech@e...> 
> wrote:
> > Sayer, you don't have an Evolver yet?  I thought I saw a picture 
of 
> > one in your studio!?
> 
> No... At least I didn't know it was there! I'll check when I get 
home 
> just in cast though! :)
> 
> I have my eye on one for sure.... 
> 
> > Have you downloaded and listened to all the "Evolver Demo Loops" 
I 
> > posted at AMPFEA/Samplelibrary?  Those may help you in your 
> decision.
> 
> No, had not heard about this. There is an Evolver section there? I 
> will check it out right away. 
>  
> > So you're selling the OB12?  Are you selling the AN1x too?  
> Not sure about the AN1x... I haven't used it in a very long time, 
so 

> I probably would not miss it. Hadn't really thought of selling that 
> one actually, but it may be a good idea.  
> 
> > Hmmmmm...  Oh no!  I feel another fit of gear lust coming on...
> 
> LOL! I know that feeling all too well. 
> 
> BTW.... where can the Evolver be bought at the lowest price? I've 
> seen them at NovaMusik for $469. 
> 
> Sayer

--- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com, "ski_ex5tech" <ex5tech@e...> 
wrote:
> Details and links for the "Demo Loops" can be found at EX5Tech in 
the 
> thread titled "DSI Evolver Demo Loops - Now available at 
> Samplelibrary" here:
> 
> http://www.ex5tech.com/ex5ubb_cgi/ultimatebb.cgi?
> ubb=get_topic&f=4&t=000444
> 
> (Note:  As usual, if your email client or the Yahoo group splits 
the 
> link above onto two lines, you may need to copy/paste the link into 
> your browser address bar.)
> 
> If you have the bandwidth and disk space, I *highly* recommend 
> getting the .WAV versions, rather than the mp3's, for the reasons 
> stated in the forum thread.

Ahhh... those do sound veeeerrryyyy nice! So you were a beta tester?
 
> WRT price... I haven't seen anything lower than $469.  For only $30 
> difference, I'd probably be inclined to order direct from Dave, 
> anyway.

Ok... At least Dave will autograph it!

So Ski, I wonder what it would take to get Boele to cough up his 
Mellotron samples (that he recorded from his own mellotron) for a Mel-
Labs 2 release for the EX5? :)

I heard some of them live in concert and they are very excellent!

Sayer

Sayer, you already listened to the "Demo Loops"?!  Wow, that was 
fast.  Thanks for the kind words.

Beta testing...
Yes, I had beta unit s/n 0002, but I'd hesitate to say that I was 
a "beta tester".  I got the unit pretty late in the development 
cycle, and I really just had it for the purpose of cranking out a lot 
of patches/sequences in a short period of time.  I sent Dave a grand 
total of 140 patches/sequences.  Of those 140, about 120 were (and 
are) used as presets in the shipping production units.  I like to 
call them my "After Midnight" collection, because that's when they 
were all programmed, after some very long days at work!  ;)  I have 
to admit that I have some "stinkers" in there as a result!  It was a 
lot of fun to work with the beta unit, because the Evolver is such an 
exciting little machine, and because it was an honor to work with 
Dave.  It was also pretty gratifying to see the Evolver get such a 
great review in Keyboard mag, too (see 
http://www.keyboardmag.com/r2.htm).  Ken Hughes is a pretty 
respectable reviewer, which made it all the better.  However, I was a 
little disappointed that Ken didn't talk a bit more about the quality 
of the presets (or lack thereof! ;) ).  On the positive side, of the 
four presets he did mention, two were mine (the Bell patch and preset 
13 sequence "Evolver Song").  He was wrong about the Bell using FM, 
though... it's just some nice subtle modulation of some VS Bell 
waveforms.  Been meaning to email Ken about that one!  ;)

Mellotron...
Wow, I'd love to get a copy of Boele's samples!  I don't know if I 
could do another MEL-LABS, though... geez, that was a project and a 
half!  I guess I shouldn't say anything, though, because the 
current "S3" project (orchestral strings, wind, & percussion) is 
nearly as big.  The combined EX5/Evolver project with 128 little 
custom waveforms is a pretty good project, too.


Ski
www.ex5tech.com
EX5Tech Evolver forum:
http://www.ex5tech.com/ex5ubb_cgi/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=forum&f=23


--- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com, "Sayer" <Sayer@S...> wrote:
> --- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com, "ski_ex5tech" <ex5tech@e...> 
> wrote:
> > Details and links for the "Demo Loops" can be found at EX5Tech in 
> the 
> > thread titled "DSI Evolver Demo Loops - Now available at 
> > Samplelibrary" here:
> > 
> > http://www.ex5tech.com/ex5ubb_cgi/ultimatebb.cgi?
> > ubb=get_topic&f=4&t=000444
> > 
> > (Note:  As usual, if your email client or the Yahoo group splits 
> the 
> > link above onto two lines, you may need to copy/paste the link 
into 
> > your browser address bar.)
> > 
> > If you have the bandwidth and disk space, I *highly* recommend 
> > getting the .WAV versions, rather than the mp3's, for the reasons 
> > stated in the forum thread.
> 
> Ahhh... those do sound veeeerrryyyy nice! So you were a beta tester?
>  
> > WRT price... I haven't seen anything lower than $469.  For only 
$30 
> > difference, I'd probably be inclined to order direct from Dave, 
> > anyway.
> 
> Ok... At least Dave will autograph it!
> 
> So Ski, I wonder what it would take to get Boele to cough up his 
> Mellotron samples (that he recorded from his own mellotron) for a 
Mel-

> Labs 2 release for the EX5? :)
> 
> I heard some of them live in concert and they are very excellent!
> 
> Sayer

--- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com, "ski_ex5tech" <ex5tech@e...> 
wrote:
> Sayer, you already listened to the "Demo Loops"?!  Wow, that was 
> fast.  Thanks for the kind words.

Well... I went through the 4 zip files containing the mp3 files. 
 
> Beta testing...
> Yes, I had beta unit s/n 0002, but I'd hesitate to say that I was 
> a "beta tester".  I got the unit pretty late in the development 
> cycle, and I really just had it for the purpose of cranking out a 
lot 
> of patches/sequences in a short period of time.  I sent Dave a 
grand 
> total of 140 patches/sequences.  Of those 140, about 120 were (and 
> are) used as presets in the shipping production units.  I like to 
> call them my "After Midnight" collection, because that's when they 
> were all programmed, after some very long days at work!  ;)  

Wow! So how did you get tasked with creating all of those presets?

>I have 
> to admit that I have some "stinkers" in there as a result!  It was 
a 
> lot of fun to work with the beta unit, because the Evolver is such 
an 
> exciting little machine, and because it was an honor to work with 
> Dave.  It was also pretty gratifying to see the Evolver get such a 
> great review in Keyboard mag, too (see 
> http://www.keyboardmag.com/r2.htm).  Ken Hughes is a pretty 
> respectable reviewer, which made it all the better.  However, I 
was a 
> little disappointed that Ken didn't talk a bit more about the 
quality 
> of the presets (or lack thereof! ;) ).  On the positive side, of 
the 
> four presets he did mention, two were mine (the Bell patch and 
preset 
> 13 sequence "Evolver Song").  He was wrong about the Bell using 
FM, 
> though... it's just some nice subtle modulation of some VS Bell 
> waveforms.  Been meaning to email Ken about that one!  ;)

Yes, I read that review! I wonder if that is the same Ken Hughes 
that used to take part on a discussion forum that Boele, Stefan, and 
I are members of....

> Mellotron...
> Wow, I'd love to get a copy of Boele's samples!  I don't know if I 
> could do another MEL-LABS, though... geez, that was a project and 
a 
> half!  

Yeah I know it was... I've enjoyed the fruits of that labor in many 
tracks for my Dream Quest project!!!!! Priceless!

> I guess I shouldn't say anything, though, because the 
> current "S3" project (orchestral strings, wind, & percussion) is 
> nearly as big.  The combined EX5/Evolver project with 128 little 
> custom waveforms is a pretty good project, too.

I've not been to the forum much lately, this is the first I've heard 
of either project. I'm not sure what you mean by S3. I'm racking my 
feeble little mind but cannot figure it out. 

Sayer

Sayer - Your questions answered below...

Q. Wow! So how did you get tasked with creating all of those presets?

A. I'm a glutton for punishment!  ;)  No, I loved it, of course.  I 
just wish my job wasn't so demanding, such that I would have had 
additional time to work on more and better patches/sequences.  I was 
VERY interested in the Evolver when I first read about it, and for a 
while it was looking like the Evolver might ship with some of it's 
386 patch memory slots empty.  This probably sounds stupid, but I 
really didn't want to see that happen.  I'm excited about the fact 
that Dave Smith and Bob Moog and a few others are now making American 
synths again, and I hope they all remain successful.  Anyway, as it 
is, there are still quite a few presets in the Evolver that are 
nothing more than slightly tweaked copies of other presets.  There 
are also some patches/sequences that are less than stellar by almost 
anyone's judgement (and like I said, some of those are mine).  Dave 
has talked about upgrading the factory presets, and I expect that 
will happen before too long.  I'm hoping to get the "User Forum 
Soundset" rolling again (see 
http://www.ex5tech.com/ex5ubb_cgi/ultimatebb.cgi?
ubb=get_topic&f=23&t=000009 ) by making the end of this month the 
cutoff for submissions.  I'd like to see some of our group and forum 
members' submissions make it into the presets!


Q. I've not been to the forum much lately, this is the first I've 
heard of either project. I'm not sure what you mean by S3. I'm 
racking my feeble little mind but cannot figure it out. 

A. "S3" is just the NAME of the EX5 orchestral project.  Details are 
here: http://www.ex5tech.com/ex5ubb_cgi/ultimatebb.cgi?
ubb=get_topic&f=4&t=000450  Some details on the EX5/Evolver project 
can be found in various posts in the group here (if you have the 
patience to search), and on the forums in the following thread:  
http://www.ex5tech.com/ex5ubb_cgi/ultimatebb.cgi?
ubb=get_topic&f=23&t=000010  There's also info on a couple of other 
great little projects by Vincent and Zinoff in that thread.

(Note:  As always, if your email client or the Yahoo group splits any 
of the links above onto two lines, you may need to copy/paste the 
link into your browser address bar.)


One last thing regarding the lowest price for an Evolver that we 
failed to consider in our last post:  Dave's price of $499 USD 
includes shipping.  Does your quote of $469 include shipping?

Now... go get at least the first set of .WAV versions of the "Demo 
Loops"!  :)  I think you'll like the better quality, and the ability 
to play them looped.  Shoot, use them in some of your music if they 
work for you!


Ski
www.ex5tech.com
EX5Tech Evolver forum:
http://www.ex5tech.com/ex5ubb_cgi/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=forum&f=23


--- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com, "Sayer" <Sayer@S...> wrote:
> --- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com, "ski_ex5tech" <ex5tech@e...> 
> wrote:
> > Sayer, you already listened to the "Demo Loops"?!  Wow, that was 
> > fast.  Thanks for the kind words.
> 
> Well... I went through the 4 zip files containing the mp3 files. 
>  
> > Beta testing...
> > Yes, I had beta unit s/n 0002, but I'd hesitate to say that I was 
> > a "beta tester".  I got the unit pretty late in the development 
> > cycle, and I really just had it for the purpose of cranking out a 
> lot 
> > of patches/sequences in a short period of time.  I sent Dave a 
> grand 
> > total of 140 patches/sequences.  Of those 140, about 120 were 
(and 
> > are) used as presets in the shipping production units.  I like to 
> > call them my "After Midnight" collection, because that's when 
they 
> > were all programmed, after some very long days at work!  ;)  
> 
> Wow! So how did you get tasked with creating all of those presets?
> 
> >I have 
> > to admit that I have some "stinkers" in there as a result!  It 
was 
> a 
> > lot of fun to work with the beta unit, because the Evolver is 
such 
> an 
> > exciting little machine, and because it was an honor to work with 
> > Dave.  It was also pretty gratifying to see the Evolver get such 
a 
> > great review in Keyboard mag, too (see 
> > http://www.keyboardmag.com/r2.htm).  Ken Hughes is a pretty 
> > respectable reviewer, which made it all the better.  However, I 
> was a 
> > little disappointed that Ken didn't talk a bit more about the 
> quality 
> > of the presets (or lack thereof! ;) ).  On the positive side, of 
> the 
> > four presets he did mention, two were mine (the Bell patch and 
> preset 
> > 13 sequence "Evolver Song").  He was wrong about the Bell using 
> FM, 
> > though... it's just some nice subtle modulation of some VS Bell 
> > waveforms.  Been meaning to email Ken about that one!  ;)
> 
> Yes, I read that review! I wonder if that is the same Ken Hughes 
> that used to take part on a discussion forum that Boele, Stefan, 
and 
> I are members of....
> 
> > Mellotron...
> > Wow, I'd love to get a copy of Boele's samples!  I don't know if 
I 
> > could do another MEL-LABS, though... geez, that was a project and 
> a 
> > half!  
> 
> Yeah I know it was... I've enjoyed the fruits of that labor in many 
> tracks for my Dream Quest project!!!!! Priceless!
> 
> > I guess I shouldn't say anything, though, because the 
> > current "S3" project (orchestral strings, wind, & percussion) is 
> > nearly as big.  The combined EX5/Evolver project with 128 little 
> > custom waveforms is a pretty good project, too.
> 
> I've not been to the forum much lately, this is the first I've 
heard 

> of either project. I'm not sure what you mean by S3. I'm racking my 
> feeble little mind but cannot figure it out. 
> 
> Sayer

"ski_ex5tech" <ex5tech@...> writes:
> Anyway, as it is, there are still quite a few presets in the Evolver
> that are nothing more than slightly tweaked copies of other presets.
> There are also some patches/sequences that are less than stellar by
> almost anyone's judgement (and like I said, some of those are mine).

Yeah, but the Evolver's actually rather rare in that it has quite a few
truly awesome presets -- soooo many great synths come _completely_
filled up with presets that make them sound horrible (and it usually
doesn't seem to take more than about 10 minutes of tweaking to make
something better).

Anyway, I'm grateful for the less-than-stellar ones, as it's always a
bit hard to delete a great preset to make room for one of my own lame
patches...

> Dave has talked about upgrading the factory presets, and I expect that
> will happen before too long.

Uh-oh, my lame patches are cowering...

-miles
-- 
Saa, shall we dance?  (from a dance-class advertisement)

Excellent points, Miles.  I feel better!  ;)  You're right, even when 
I think of only the presets I *didn't* program (so as not to be 
biased in my judgement), the Evolver really DOES have a very 
high "gems to junkers" ratio.  I think that having a large number of 
poor presets has killed the popularity and sales of a number of 
synths, including the OB·12.


Ski
www.ex5tech.com
EX5Tech Evolver forum:
http://www.ex5tech.com/ex5ubb_cgi/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=forum&f=23


--- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com, Miles Bader <miles@g...> wrote:
> "ski_ex5tech" <ex5tech@e...> writes:
> > Anyway, as it is, there are still quite a few presets in the 
Evolver
> > that are nothing more than slightly tweaked copies of other 
presets.
> > There are also some patches/sequences that are less than stellar 
by
> > almost anyone's judgement (and like I said, some of those are 
mine).
> 
> Yeah, but the Evolver's actually rather rare in that it has quite a 
few
> truly awesome presets -- soooo many great synths come _completely_
> filled up with presets that make them sound horrible (and it usually
> doesn't seem to take more than about 10 minutes of tweaking to make
> something better).
> 
> Anyway, I'm grateful for the less-than-stellar ones, as it's always 
a
> bit hard to delete a great preset to make room for one of my own 
lame
> patches...
> 
> > Dave has talked about upgrading the factory presets, and I expect 
that

> > will happen before too long.
> 
> Uh-oh, my lame patches are cowering...
> 
> -miles
> -- 
> Saa, shall we dance?  (from a dance-class advertisement)

hey 
i want to sell a evolver from germany or belgium for 500,-EURO
Stefan

--- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com, sinus <electroschroeder@g...> 
wrote:
> hey 
> i want to sell a evolver from germany or belgium for 500,-EURO
> Stefan

Hello Stefan,

how do you manage to sell any kind of synthesizer far below list 
price ? ;-)

The other Stefan