Yamaha DTXpress/DTXplorer/DTXtreme

I thought the DTXprss kits use a KP60 or KP65? I looked in my manual 
and I can't see.
This KP80 has Yahama letters written sideways vertically in the back 
and the back is covered all the way from top to bottom, where as my 
DTXpree I kit have just the Yamaha logo at the top rear, and the 
back is covered only at the top where the Logo is..

I ask because I'm looking at buying a spare.

Thanks, Steve

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "zapaxe" <a_zapelectric@h...> wrote:
> 
> I thought the DTXprss kits use a KP60 or KP65? I looked in my 
manual 
> and I can't see.
> This KP80 has Yahama letters written sideways vertically in the 
back 
> and the back is covered all the way from top to bottom, where as my 
> DTXpree I kit have just the Yamaha logo at the top rear, and the 
> back is covered only at the top where the Logo is..

Sorry for the late response, I just saw this one.

My DTX V1 kit (not a DTXpress) came with a KP80...

--- tom

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Allebrandi" <tom@y...> wrote:
> 
> --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "zapaxe" <a_zapelectric@h...> 
wrote:
> > 
> > I thought the DTXprss kits use a KP60 or KP65? I looked in my 
> manual 
> > and I can't see.
> > This KP80 has Yahama letters written sideways vertically in the 
> back 
> > and the back is covered all the way from top to bottom, where as 
my 
> > DTXpree I kit have just the Yamaha logo at the top rear, and the 
> > back is covered only at the top where the Logo is..
> 
> Sorry for the late response, I just saw this one.
> 
> My DTX V1 kit (not a DTXpress) came with a KP80...
> 
> --- tom


Thanks Tom,

I take it that the DTX V1 kit is the kit that came out about the 
same time as the DXTpress kits did and had the flat table top style 
brain/modules instead of the DTXpress mini rack style modules...?

In either case, I had been looking at this on ebay and was outbid :/

Steve

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "zapaxe" <a_zapelectric@h...> wrote:
> I take it that the DTX V1 kit is the kit that came out about the 
> same time as the DXTpress kits did and had the flat table top style 
> brain/modules instead of the DTXpress mini rack style modules...?

The DTX v1 module/kit is the earliest of the Yamaha e-drum entries. 
Its eventual position was intermediate between the DTXpress and the 
first DTXtreme, which shared the KP-80 with it. Its module was far 
more elaborate than that of the DTXpress, with an interface that was 
larger, more elaborate, and easier to use than the DTXpress. Many 
thought this module to be the feather in Yamaha's cap--particularly, 
the v2.0--all things considered. It was much closer in looks and 
features to the first DTXtreme module than to the baby of the bunch. 
You see it on ebay now and then for around $200. It can certainly 
function as a second module, and arguably as a first despite its age.

Ed

> 
> The DTX v1 module/kit is the earliest of the Yamaha e-drum 
entries. 
> Its eventual position was intermediate between the DTXpress and 
the 
> first DTXtreme, which shared the KP-80 with it. Its module was far 
> more elaborate than that of the DTXpress, with an interface that 
was 
> larger, more elaborate, and easier to use than the DTXpress. Many 
> thought this module to be the feather in Yamaha's cap--
particularly, 
> the v2.0--all things considered. It was much closer in looks and 
> features to the first DTXtreme module than to the baby of the 
bunch. 
> You see it on ebay now and then for around $200. It can certainly 
> function as a second module, and arguably as a first despite its 
age.
> 
> Ed

Thanks again Ed:)

I had been wondering about those flat table-top modules I've been 
seeing on ebay, many of them saying DTX Ver 2. This is good to know.

This was going to be a future question I was planning on 
asking..that is if they were better than the DTXpress modules, in 
drum samples or otherwise.

Steve

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "zapaxe" <a_zapelectric@h...> wrote:
>> I had been wondering about those flat table-top modules I've been 
> seeing on ebay, many of them saying DTX Ver 2. This is good to know.
> 
> This was going to be a future question I was planning on 
> asking..that is if they were better than the DTXpress modules, in 
> drum samples or otherwise.

Steve,

The technology hasn't changed immensely since the heyday of the DTX 
v2.0. Someone on a budget would do well with the module even now; it 
puts the DTXPU to shame so far as ergonomics and features are 
concerned. But it is limited by its inability to handle the newer 
Yamaha three-sound pads, and it is not a great match with all of the 
various mesh heads on the market today, though it may be an okay 
match for some of them, as I have learned during the last few months. 
Pete Corona, who is a terrific drummer and a member here and at DTX, 
has been using the v2.0 for years. Only lately, when he's had a mind 
to change to different pads, has he run into trouble finding suitable 
replacements. If I were looking for a second module to fill in some 
gaps, I might well pick up a DTX, but I'd be a little scared to rely 
on it now as my main source unless I could be happy a little behind 
the times, or the price could compensate for it not being up to 
date.  

Ed

Steve,
> 
> The technology hasn't changed immensely since the heyday of the 
DTX 
> v2.0. Someone on a budget would do well with the module even now; 
it 
> puts the DTXPU to shame so far as ergonomics and features are 
> concerned. But it is limited by its inability to handle the newer 
> Yamaha three-sound pads, and it is not a great match with all of 
the 
> various mesh heads on the market today, though it may be an okay 
> match for some of them, as I have learned during the last few 
months. 
> Pete Corona, who is a terrific drummer and a member here and at 
DTX, 
> has been using the v2.0 for years. Only lately, when he's had a 
mind 
> to change to different pads, has he run into trouble finding 
suitable 
> replacements. If I were looking for a second module to fill in 
some 
> gaps, I might well pick up a DTX, but I'd be a little scared to 
rely 
> on it now as my main source unless I could be happy a little 
behind 
> the times, or the price could compensate for it not being up to 
> date.  
> 
> Ed

Great to know! Well I don't have any mesh heads or 3 zone heads. I 
DO have the DTXpress 3 module which I 'think' accepts a 3 zone snare 
yes? I 'may' get a 3 zone head for that some day...?
I 'may' be in the market for additional modules and extra gum rubber 
pads (which I'm happy with)for my ever expanding system:)
I have the DTXpress 1 & 3 modules as well as a DM Pro, but it's very 
hard to figure the DM Pro out (unlike the DTXpress's), so it's just 
sitting in my studio :/ ..If I can't figure it out, I'll sell it off 
and search for the Yamaha DTX etc's.... 

Steve

> I take it that the DTX V1 kit is the kit that came out about the 
> same time as the DXTpress kits did and had the flat table top style 
> brain/modules instead of the DTXpress mini rack style modules...?
> 

Yes, the DTX V1 and V2 "brains" are the table top style.

I'm not sure, but I think the DTX V1 came out a while before the
DTXpress.

I've had mine since the fall of '98. At the time I got it, it had been
in storage at a local music store for almost a year.

--- tom

> Yes, the DTX V1 and V2 "brains" are the table top style.
> 
> I'm not sure, but I think the DTX V1 came out a while before the
> DTXpress.
> 
> I've had mine since the fall of '98. At the time I got it, it had 
been
> in storage at a local music store for almost a year.
> 
> --- tom

Cool thanks Tom,

Maybe worth looking out for a good deal one for sale used on ebay. 
On that note I just bid and won a used KP80 Kick Tower from ebay 
today..As a spare of double kick set up...? Hmmm...just realized I 
need another kick pedal too!:o

Steve

> On that note I just bid and won a used KP80 Kick Tower from ebay 
> today..As a spare of double kick set up...? Hmmm...just realized I 
> need another kick pedal too!:o

Yeah, I ran into the need for a second kick pedal real quick - but for a
different reason.

I got into a situation where I was using both my acoustic kit and my
electronic kit at different locations. I got real tired of shuttling the
one kick pedal I had back and forth. So I bought a second pedal.

I haven't been able to bring myself to put my Yamaha pedal on the Ludwig
acoustic kit, and the vintage Ludwig Speed King on the Yamaha electronic
kit :-)

--- tom

How does the double kick pedal sound and work on the DTxpress III. Can you
setup a second kick pedal and pad or is the double beater on the one pad
work ok?

>       > On that note I just bid and won a used KP80 Kick Tower from ebay
>  > today..As a spare of double kick set up...? Hmmm...just realized I
>  > need another kick pedal too!:o
>
>  Yeah, I ran into the need for a second kick pedal real quick - but for a
>  different reason.
>
>  I got into a situation where I was using both my acoustic kit and my
>  electronic kit at different locations. I got real tired of shuttling the
>  one kick pedal I had back and forth. So I bought a second pedal.
>
>  I haven't been able to bring myself to put my Yamaha pedal on the Ludwig
>  acoustic kit, and the vintage Ludwig Speed King on the Yamaha electronic
>  kit :-)
>
>  --- tom
>
>
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--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, nick@n... wrote:
> How does the double kick pedal sound and work on the DTxpress III.
Can you
> setup a second kick pedal and pad or is the double beater on the one pad
> work ok?

I've had my DTXTIIS for two weeks and *already* am afflicted with
Chronic Spasmodic Upgrade-itis!  I'd also love to hear from users who
play a double bass kit regarding equipment, setup, ... anything and
everything.  Thx! 

FX

> How does the double kick pedal sound and work on the DTxpress 
>III. Can you setup a second kick pedal and pad or is the double
>beater on the one pad work ok?

For the DTxpress III you have 2 options, one being a lot easier than 
the other.

1. Get a double bass pedal.  I think just about any standard double 
pedal will work.  I did run into some problems with the Axis pedals' 
beaters being a little too far apart and to the left, but at least 
with DW's, Gibraltars and Rogers, all have worked on the KP65.  I'm 
sure the same is for Yamaha's, Tama's, etc.  That's the easy option...

2. Add a second kick pad and pedal.  On this one you'll have to swap 
input 1 to 9/10 which is explained in the manual.  The hard part is 
that for some unexplained reason, the kickR voice on every single kit 
is set to a cowbell sound (???).  This means every single standard 
kit you want to use will have to be resaved as a user kit with a bass 
sound for kickR.  Not impossible, but more work than it's worth to me.

My advice would be to go with the double bass pedal.  

If you feel adventurous, then add a pad to input 10 (cymbal or 4th 
tom).  You will still have to to some pad revoicing for the kits you 
want though...

I myself have not yet received the KP80 kick trigger, nor obtained a 
2nd kick pedal...My OWN plan is to simply use my 2nd DTXpress module 
(or my DM Pro module) for it's kick trigger input. So I'll have one 
kick pedal & trigger unit to each module. At this time I don't have 
any plans for a dedicated double kick pedal unit. 

Steve


--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "quarlofx" <quarlo@e...> wrote:
> 
> --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, nick@n... wrote:
> > How does the double kick pedal sound and work on the DTxpress 
III.
> Can you
> > setup a second kick pedal and pad or is the double beater on the 
one pad
> > work ok?
> 
> I've had my DTXTIIS for two weeks and *already* am afflicted with
> Chronic Spasmodic Upgrade-itis!  I'd also love to hear from users 
who

> play a double bass kit regarding equipment, setup, ... anything and
> everything.  Thx! 
> 
> FX

> I've had my DTXTIIS for two weeks and *already* am afflicted with
> Chronic Spasmodic Upgrade-itis!  I'd also love to hear from users 
who
> play a double bass kit regarding equipment, setup, ... anything and
> everything.  Thx! 
> 
> FX

Just went through this, so here's what I did.

I'm using Axis Longboard Double Pedals.  These are the absolute best 
pedals I have ever used.  However, I ran into a problem trying to fit 
them on my KP65 because of how the Axis' are made (offset to the 
left).  Ed at Drumbalaya hooked me up with a KP120 (real head family) 
with a mesh head.  It works great.  Great response and great feel.  
It's 12 inches diameter so the beaters fit comfortably.

Since you have upgrade-itis, let me throw a couple of sticks in the 
fire...

I added RHP120 as a second snare to the left of the HH and assigned 
some timbale sounds to it.  I picked the RHP because it's true 2-
zone. Love it...

Also added a BP-80 bar with percussion sounds.

Finally, added an extra PCY130.

Also, as soon as I figure out where to physically place it, I'm 
adding another pedal on the leftover KP65 so I can have an alternate 
bass drum sound.

By the way, kudos again to Ed and his staff at Drumbalaya.  They 
answered every question I had and are truly the best edrum dealers.