Yamaha DTXpress/DTXplorer/DTXtreme

Well, I had previously posted here that after much experimentation 
with various rejection settings, etc. I had just about decided that 
tightening the Hart mesh heads a bit tighter solved the occasional 
dropped hit.

I'm no longer positive thats the final word.

We had a focused rehearsal yesterday that i set my volume waaay down 
for so two of the string players could work out some parts.

At one point i got a little 'into it' and struck the snare pretty 
hard and I'm pretty sure it dropped out.  I couldn't reproduce it 
however, so I'm a bit unsure.

To that point, I was pretty sure the 'over tightened heads' had 
solved the problem, but not 100% sure now.

We have rehearsal again today, so I'll get another opportunity.

Has anyone else experienced this issue and found the holy grail 
solution?  I think I'm close, but thats just not 'good enough' for 
me :-)

vlus

Thanks for the update, I'm considering going with the DTXtreme II 
brain for my Hart kit & would really like to see how you get on. You 
should also try posting in the Yahoo HartDrums group, maybe some of 
those members might use the DTXtreme II with their kits.

Good luck  :)


  




--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "vl2000_us" <temp1111@w...> wrote:
> 
> Well, I had previously posted here that after much experimentation 
> with various rejection settings, etc. I had just about decided that 
> tightening the Hart mesh heads a bit tighter solved the occasional 
> dropped hit.
> 
> I'm no longer positive thats the final word.
> 
> We had a focused rehearsal yesterday that i set my volume waaay 
down 

> for so two of the string players could work out some parts.
> 
> At one point i got a little 'into it' and struck the snare pretty 
> hard and I'm pretty sure it dropped out.  I couldn't reproduce it 
> however, so I'm a bit unsure.
> 
> To that point, I was pretty sure the 'over tightened heads' had 
> solved the problem, but not 100% sure now.
> 
> We have rehearsal again today, so I'll get another opportunity.
> 
> Has anyone else experienced this issue and found the holy grail 
> solution?  I think I'm close, but thats just not 'good enough' for 
> me :-)
> 
> vlus

I have had the dreaded drop out problem with my DTXTreme-2. I am a 
hard hitter and my snare was dropping notes.  With the xtreme rubber 
pads there is an adjustment for the pad, a small black dial on the 
back. I had it turned up, thus making the peizo hot. It was 
recommended to have it turned down. After turning it down no 
problems what so ever. My theory is the Hart pads are too hot, and 
somehow the note gets dropped when playing hard. If the pizeo could 
be "turned down" somehow, and lessen it's strength, I think that 
will cure the snare dropping out problem. Believe me when I say 
initially that problem was very annoying esepically live. Turning my 
adjustable pad down cured it. I hope this helps. As far as 
triggering goes with the dial turned down, every single note light 
or hard gets played. Amazing dynamics. I had my kit running through 
2 x 400 watt powered speakers and a sub and no problems with 
dropping notes.

I am having the same problem with my DTXpress III. I only use the 
snare pad TP56S when playing live, but i'm not a hard hitter, it 
just cuts out the odd hit during a song. The pad does get set off by 
vibration and I wondered if there is a setting or something I can 
adjust? I pretty new to it all...but I'm guessing perhaps the 
triggering through vibration is occuring at the same time that I am 
striking the pad?? I'm just a little confused with these 'rejection' 
settings. Do i need to be adjusting these maybe or the gain levels? 
Can anyone help?

Grahame

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "drumsonly2002" <dan@n...> wrote:
> 
> I have had the dreaded drop out problem with my DTXTreme-2. I am a 
> hard hitter and my snare was dropping notes.  With the xtreme 
rubber 
> pads there is an adjustment for the pad, a small black dial on the 
> back. I had it turned up, thus making the peizo hot. It was 
> recommended to have it turned down. After turning it down no 
> problems what so ever. My theory is the Hart pads are too hot, and 
> somehow the note gets dropped when playing hard. If the pizeo 
could 
> be "turned down" somehow, and lessen it's strength, I think that 
> will cure the snare dropping out problem. Believe me when I say 
> initially that problem was very annoying esepically live. Turning 
my 
> adjustable pad down cured it. I hope this helps. As far as 
> triggering goes with the dial turned down, every single note light 
> or hard gets played. Amazing dynamics. I had my kit running 
through 
> 2 x 400 watt powered speakers and a sub and no problems with 
> dropping notes.

What is the group name for Hart?  I post here because the core of my 
kit is the DTXtreme brain w/5 yam pads.  The Harts were add ons.  We 
had a reheasal yesterday.  My volume was a little lower than usual, 
and I had one drop out hitting the beginning snare crack for Breaking 
the Law.  It seems the drop outs only occur during what might be 
considered an extra hard hit.  Today I plan to tension the snare head 
just a little more.  I am also interested in hearing from anyone else 
having similar problem with Hart or Roland mesh heads.

For the record, if I turn my volume up and play less aggressively I 
NEVER experience a problem, but its just a little too loud then for 
stage volume.  This may just be a matter of continueing to experiment 
with volumes, gains and velocities, etc.

vlus

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--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "peterpan" <malakies2000@y...> wrote:
> 
> 
> Thanks for the update, I'm considering going with the DTXtreme II 
> brain for my Hart kit & would really like to see how you get on. 
You 
> should also try posting in the Yahoo HartDrums group, maybe some of 
> those members might use the DTXtreme II with their kits.
> 
> Good luck  :)
> 
> 
>   
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "vl2000_us" <temp1111@w...> wrote:
> > 
> > Well, I had previously posted here that after much 
experimentation 
> > with various rejection settings, etc. I had just about decided 
that 
> > tightening the Hart mesh heads a bit tighter solved the 
occasional 
> > dropped hit.
> > 
> > I'm no longer positive thats the final word.
> > 
> > We had a focused rehearsal yesterday that i set my volume waaay 
> down 
> > for so two of the string players could work out some parts.
> > 
> > At one point i got a little 'into it' and struck the snare pretty 
> > hard and I'm pretty sure it dropped out.  I couldn't reproduce it 
> > however, so I'm a bit unsure.
> > 
> > To that point, I was pretty sure the 'over tightened heads' had 
> > solved the problem, but not 100% sure now.
> > 
> > We have rehearsal again today, so I'll get another opportunity.
> > 
> > Has anyone else experienced this issue and found the holy grail 
> > solution?  I think I'm close, but thats just not 'good enough' 
for 

> > me :-)
> > 
> > vlus

copeg....

It sounds like the problem you are experiencing might be more related 
to rejection settings and therefore more easily solved.

A couple steps you should take are:

a) locate the source of the vibration and fix if possible (ex: two 
drums touching, cymbal stand touch drum, etc

b) it might also be one of the othe e-drums triggering the snare.  
Hit the trigger button on your brain and strike the snare to bring 
the pad number to the snare channel.  Now, make a single hard strike 
on each tom pad and watch the brain.  If you hear the snare trigger 
after a tom strike, the offending tom pad number will now appear in 
your brain.  Go back to the snare settings and turn up the 'specific 
rejection setting' against that tom channel

c) general vibrations triggering set with the middle rejection 
setting, although your best bet is to find the source and fix.

d) as a last resort tweak the self rejection.

Hope that helps, now off to RE-read the post before yours... someone 
has my curiousity up regarding maybe a gain setting...

vlus

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--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "copeg100" <gdcope@h...> wrote:
> 
> I am having the same problem with my DTXpress III. I only use the 
> snare pad TP56S when playing live, but i'm not a hard hitter, it 
> just cuts out the odd hit during a song. The pad does get set off 
by 
> vibration and I wondered if there is a setting or something I can 
> adjust? I pretty new to it all...but I'm guessing perhaps the 
> triggering through vibration is occuring at the same time that I am 
> striking the pad?? I'm just a little confused with 
these 'rejection' 
> settings. Do i need to be adjusting these maybe or the gain levels? 
> Can anyone help?
> 
> Grahame
> 
> --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "drumsonly2002" <dan@n...> wrote:
> > 
> > I have had the dreaded drop out problem with my DTXTreme-2. I am 
a 
> > hard hitter and my snare was dropping notes.  With the xtreme 
> rubber 
> > pads there is an adjustment for the pad, a small black dial on 
the 
> > back. I had it turned up, thus making the peizo hot. It was 
> > recommended to have it turned down. After turning it down no 
> > problems what so ever. My theory is the Hart pads are too hot, 
and 
> > somehow the note gets dropped when playing hard. If the pizeo 
> could 
> > be "turned down" somehow, and lessen it's strength, I think that 
> > will cure the snare dropping out problem. Believe me when I say 
> > initially that problem was very annoying esepically live. Turning 
> my 
> > adjustable pad down cured it. I hope this helps. As far as 
> > triggering goes with the dial turned down, every single note 
light 

> > or hard gets played. Amazing dynamics. I had my kit running 
> through 
> > 2 x 400 watt powered speakers and a sub and no problems with 
> > dropping notes.

Drumsonly....

Interesting... sounds like 'gain' setting.  I have experimented 
somewhat with the gain, but was more focused on rejection, head 
tension, etc.

I will try some experiments over the next day or two with gain 
settings and will post back to the list.  I DO have my gains set 
pretty 'hot' on the Hart pads, so you may be on to something.  With 
another practice Tuesday night, I should have results by Wednesday.

Thank you for sharing your experience!

vlus

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--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "drumsonly2002" <dan@n...> wrote:
> 
> I have had the dreaded drop out problem with my DTXTreme-2. I am a 
> hard hitter and my snare was dropping notes.  With the xtreme 
rubber 
> pads there is an adjustment for the pad, a small black dial on the 
> back. I had it turned up, thus making the peizo hot. It was 
> recommended to have it turned down. After turning it down no 
> problems what so ever. My theory is the Hart pads are too hot, and 
> somehow the note gets dropped when playing hard. If the pizeo could 
> be "turned down" somehow, and lessen it's strength, I think that 
> will cure the snare dropping out problem. Believe me when I say 
> initially that problem was very annoying esepically live. Turning 
my 

> adjustable pad down cured it. I hope this helps. As far as 
> triggering goes with the dial turned down, every single note light 
> or hard gets played. Amazing dynamics. I had my kit running through 
> 2 x 400 watt powered speakers and a sub and no problems with 
> dropping notes.

I think it may definitely be something gain orientated, I remember 
reading somwhere else (can't remember where) that the pads shouldn't 
be too hot with the xtreme II.  Good luck with it all, hopefully 
you'll have some good news on Tuesday. 

The Hart group:
http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/Hartdrums/

I asked a couple of days back if anyone is using the xtreme II, no 
joy as yet - you are the only person I've come across with this 
combination so far - keep us posted!! 













--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "vl2000_us" <temp1111@w...> wrote:
> 
> What is the group name for Hart?  I post here because the core of 
my 
> kit is the DTXtreme brain w/5 yam pads.  The Harts were add ons.  
We 
> had a reheasal yesterday.  My volume was a little lower than usual, 
> and I had one drop out hitting the beginning snare crack for 
Breaking 
> the Law.  It seems the drop outs only occur during what might be 
> considered an extra hard hit.  Today I plan to tension the snare 
head 
> just a little more.  I am also interested in hearing from anyone 
else 
> having similar problem with Hart or Roland mesh heads.
> 
> For the record, if I turn my volume up and play less aggressively I 
> NEVER experience a problem, but its just a little too loud then for 
> stage volume.  This may just be a matter of continueing to 
experiment 
> with volumes, gains and velocities, etc.
> 
> vlus
> 
> Get fast, affordable hosting for your band or business for pennies 
a 
> day at http://www.Web-Hostess.com!
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "peterpan" <malakies2000@y...> 
wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > Thanks for the update, I'm considering going with the DTXtreme II 
> > brain for my Hart kit & would really like to see how you get on. 
> You 
> > should also try posting in the Yahoo HartDrums group, maybe some 
of 
> > those members might use the DTXtreme II with their kits.
> > 
> > Good luck  :)
> > 
> > 
> >   
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "vl2000_us" <temp1111@w...> 
wrote:
> > > 
> > > Well, I had previously posted here that after much 
> experimentation 
> > > with various rejection settings, etc. I had just about decided 
> that 
> > > tightening the Hart mesh heads a bit tighter solved the 
> occasional 
> > > dropped hit.
> > > 
> > > I'm no longer positive thats the final word.
> > > 
> > > We had a focused rehearsal yesterday that i set my volume waaay 
> > down 
> > > for so two of the string players could work out some parts.
> > > 
> > > At one point i got a little 'into it' and struck the snare 
pretty 
> > > hard and I'm pretty sure it dropped out.  I couldn't reproduce 
it 

> > > however, so I'm a bit unsure.
> > > 
> > > To that point, I was pretty sure the 'over tightened heads' had 
> > > solved the problem, but not 100% sure now.
> > > 
> > > We have rehearsal again today, so I'll get another opportunity.
> > > 
> > > Has anyone else experienced this issue and found the holy grail 
> > > solution?  I think I'm close, but thats just not 'good enough' 
> for 
> > > me :-)
> > > 
> > > vlus

OK, here is where things stand with the drop out issue.  I pulled the 
gains down pretty substantially on all the Hart drums.  Right now 
most of my programmed kits have gain set as follows:


Yamaha toms 1 thru 4: all set at 32

Yamaha Snare: mostly set at 45, some kits its higher because I use 
that snare mostly for special snare voices, special F/X, etc

Hart toms: 7 of them (8 thru 12 inch) set at 35 with very tight heads 
and one of the 8 inch toms is set to 48 because it just seems less 
sensitive than the others

Hart Snare:  this is my main snare and is now set at 45

I've not changed any of my rejection settings at this time and still 
have all heads very tight.

Output volume from the DTXrememe IIs brain has been raised to 
compensate for the lower gain settings.

Tuesday nite practice no dropouts, but we were at a lower volume 
overall.  Sunday we have practice with our male frontperson, and we 
are usually louder cuz he's half friggin deaf :-)

Any remaining dropouts should surface sunday.  Will report back 
then.  I do think this gain may have been an important part of the 
solution, along with rejection settings, head tension, etc.

Good luck everyone...
vlus

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--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "peterpan" <malakies2000@y...> wrote:
> 
> 
> I think it may definitely be something gain orientated, I remember 
> reading somwhere else (can't remember where) that the pads 
shouldn't 

> be too hot with the xtreme II.  Good luck with it all, hopefully 
> you'll have some good news on Tuesday. 
> 
> The Hart group:
> http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/Hartdrums/
> 
> I asked a couple of days back if anyone is using the xtreme II, no 
> joy as yet - you are the only person I've come across with this 
> combination so far - keep us posted!! 
> 
> 
>

Thanks for the update, hopfully this will have solved the problem.. 
Good luck for Sunday! 









--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "vl2000_us" <temp1111@w...> wrote:
> 
> OK, here is where things stand with the drop out issue.  I pulled 
the 
> gains down pretty substantially on all the Hart drums.  Right now 
> most of my programmed kits have gain set as follows:
> 
> 
> Yamaha toms 1 thru 4: all set at 32
> 
> Yamaha Snare: mostly set at 45, some kits its higher because I use 
> that snare mostly for special snare voices, special F/X, etc
> 
> Hart toms: 7 of them (8 thru 12 inch) set at 35 with very tight 
heads 
> and one of the 8 inch toms is set to 48 because it just seems less 
> sensitive than the others
> 
> Hart Snare:  this is my main snare and is now set at 45
> 
> I've not changed any of my rejection settings at this time and 
still 
> have all heads very tight.
> 
> Output volume from the DTXrememe IIs brain has been raised to 
> compensate for the lower gain settings.
> 
> Tuesday nite practice no dropouts, but we were at a lower volume 
> overall.  Sunday we have practice with our male frontperson, and we 
> are usually louder cuz he's half friggin deaf :-)
> 
> Any remaining dropouts should surface sunday.  Will report back 
> then.  I do think this gain may have been an important part of the 
> solution, along with rejection settings, head tension, etc.
> 
> Good luck everyone...
> vlus
> 
> http://www.MonstersOfRock.info
> 
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> Trial!  See http://www.Web-Hostess.com for details or ask vlus!
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "peterpan" <malakies2000@y...> 
wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > I think it may definitely be something gain orientated, I 
remember 
> > reading somwhere else (can't remember where) that the pads 
> shouldn't 
> > be too hot with the xtreme II.  Good luck with it all, hopefully 
> > you'll have some good news on Tuesday. 
> > 
> > The Hart group:
> > http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/Hartdrums/
> > 
> > I asked a couple of days back if anyone is using the xtreme II, 
no 

> > joy as yet - you are the only person I've come across with this 
> > combination so far - keep us posted!! 
> > 
> > 
> >